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  • Ep 22 : X-Men Universe | Movie 10 | Logan Pt 1

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  • Ep 20 : X-Men Universe | Movie 9 | Apocalypse Pt 1

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  • Ep 15 : X-Men Universe | Movie 5 Part 1

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  • Ep 13 : X-Men Universe | Movie 4 Part 1

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    [Joker]: Hello all you mad lads and mad lasses out there. This is Joker. I just wanted to go ahead and throw out a Disclaimer for parts one and two of episode 13 as I'm a dumbass and did not take consideration that there would be Echo from a USB Mike XLR Mike combo for this episode. You get to hear Jordan very well, but myself is very echo-y. And then on top of that, again, dumbass move on my part, I turn down my mic output so I'll be low and echo-y for the majority of these two parts. Please bear with us. It won't last. The next episode 14 will be so much better, but yeah, thanks again and we will see you on the other side. Peace.

     

    [Joker]: So welcome to the only podcast where we are crazier than the life you deal with daily. This is the Mad House. I'm Joker. And then today, of course, I am joined by Unreal aka Jordan who is a part of the Madhouse community.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Hello everyone,

     

    [Joker]: and lives local to me. So today, oh God, we are going to be talking about X-Men Origin, Wolverine. So the first standalone Wolverine movie.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: They did it justice.

     

    [Mad House Present Group Therapy Introduction Music]

     

    [Joker]:though there was very one comedic portion in there where I was highly confused at why they made it so comic. But we'll get to that part later.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Okay.

     

    [Joker]: When we get to that particular part of the movie. So doing it justice, what do you mean by that? Is there a particular part that you feel or is it just in general?

     

    [Unrealstyle]: In general, really. Because sometimes when they do origin stories, they do things that just kind of ruin it. They added some things, they changed some things, but I feel like they did the movie justice.

     

    [Joker]: Okay. Now where we start out with I found out via the Wiki page for the movie is that we start out in the 1800s originally. We all knew that as far as Wolverine's original years on Earth.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

     

    [Joker]: Those that listen to the movies, watch the cartoons and partaked in the original comic books that talked about the Weapon X in the 90s, I believe it was when the Weapon X series of comics came out. Or they talked about him being born in the 1800s.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

     

    [Joker]: So we got a little bit of clarification via the Wiki page, which we don't necessarily know how accurate it is unless we look at the script itself. But they're saying around 1845. So this would have been well after the Revolutionary War and just prior to the Civil War.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: Because it was 1880s, I think was a Civil War.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: I believe so.

     

    [Joker]: God, I think I'd remember these things by now. Let's see,

     

    [Unrealstyle]: They went through so many wars, it's kind of hard to keep up.

     

    [Joker]: 1865 was the end date.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Okay.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah, that's about right. About 20 years. So yeah, he would have been fairly young back then.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, he would have been 20s early…

     

    [Joker]: because he was in 1845, if that was the time frame that they're giving us. Because Logan or James, as they called him

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah

     

    [Joker]: James Logan was what looked like about eight, nine ish because Victor looked

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah

     

    [Joker]: about twelve to 14.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah,

     

    [Joker]: about right

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah

     

    [Joker]: as far as the depictions. So, yeah, he would have been in his 20s or so during the Civil War.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: All right, so during this first scene, of course, Logan or James is sick in bed as a child. And this, of course, is when his powers first show face.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: Now, we find out that his father, Logan. We find out that his father… Is there still an Echo? No, there shouldn't be now. Yeah, we're definitely going to have to pay the money to get dynamic mics because this is trash. Here, let me turn mine down. Didn't sound that echoey when we did the other ones, but whatever. Yeah, it'll happen. You just got to remember to tap it on.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: Oh, God. Anyhow, what was I saying? Oh, yeah. So we find out that James or Wolverine's dad isn't really his dad or his mother slept with one of the groundskeepers, which was Thomas Logan, apparently. Oh, Howlett. Is his real name James Howellt?

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: This is so stupid.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: I'm having a blast right now.

     

    [Joker]: I can imagine. But the grounds keeper, who was Thomas Logan, which is also Victor's father, which they knew about.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Well, I think the mother did, but I'm not entirely sure that the father did because he kind of died before anything could be really identified.

     

    [Joker]: Okay, this is going to be horrible. So bad. All right, so when we get through that, of course, the grounds keeper kills Mr. Howellt and announces himself as the boy's father. So then I'm guessing after that, when Logan and Victor run away, that's when he picks up the Logan name,

     

    [Unrealstyle]: probably because it's never really been explained where he got the name. We kind of just figured that it was a name that he just chose after he left the group.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. Okay. So from there they run off and then they go through all the wars. Civil War, World War I, World War II. I was thinking the Korean War, but according to the Wiki, they didn't do the Korean War. They just skipped straight to Vietnam War in 1970s. So they completely lapsed the Korean War, which happened in the 60s. And that's where they meet Striker for the first time, in like 1970-75 something like six years later.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: 1973

     

    [Joker]: Okay, I see it. So somewhere in early 1970s, late 1970s, he's already a part of Strikers team and they're heading to they've already done their thing during the 70s as a team of Strikers. So it's Wade Wilson, which is, oddly enough, in human form in the Seventies, as an adult, presumably in his mid to early 20s. So that would put him born in 1950, which already is a conflict with the current Deadpool movies. Now with that. So we've got Wade Wilson, John Wraith, who was also known as Kestrel, who was at one point lored to be Nightcrawler's father, which, of course, we find out in Apocalypse. That's not the case.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, because Nightcrawler's father is supposed to be a Azazel.

     

    [Joker]: Yes, and that's confirmed in the next movie. In the Apocalypse movie. But it was at one point, Lord. Hence why John Wraith or Kestrel has the same teleportation style powers minus the cloud of smoke. But Sabertooth or Victor Blob, Christopher Bradley, who was by his mute name known as either the Bolt and Maverick. Yeah, that's it. And what was the sharpshooter's name?

    [Unrealstyle]: Zero.

     

    [Joker]: Zero. That's right. All right, so we've got those going on. Try it. Maybe that won't go as bad. Maybe. Oh, no, that's probably just as bad. Let me turn this down. Is it still bad, Echo? Because I can't hear it. Even if I. Maybe that'll help. It'll all overpower it. Who knows? Anyway, let's see. Yeah, make clips. Go ahead, make clips. I need clips back on track.

     

    [Joker]: So they're in the plane, they find the Adamantium or the source of the Adamantium. And then Wolverine decides to leave the team.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: And according to this, it's about a year or six years after the team broke up, where you find Logan as a logger in the Canadian mountains. And he's now with new girlfriend Kayla Silverfox. Silverfox. Of course, we all or those that follow the X Men universe know that she is actually a mutant who is an empath of sorts where she can basically or she's a telepath, a tactile telepath. She has to touch them

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes

     

    [Joker]: to control their mind. So up to this point, as far as the movie and everything, what are your thoughts?

     

    [Unrealstyle]: I think it really shows the difference between Victor and Logan because you see, as they went through all the wars, the Civil War, World War One, World War Two, Vietnam, you see Logan slowly start to have more empathy than Victor. Victor starts to just decline as Logan just he can't do it anymore. At first, it was who he was, but then he started to grow to be a different person. Whereas Victor just became literally the animal that he's named after. Really? I mean, he literally became a Hunter of everyone.

     

    [Joker]: Hey, all right. He was a beast and they told a story. Or Silverfox told him a story while she was still under in the role of his girlfriend without him really knowing any different. But when Striker and Zero were coming in at that point, he was at work and they were trying to recruit him because at this point, Victor had gone off the beaten path according to the way the plot shows, and killed Bradley, who was Bolt/Maverick while he was doing circus type stuff. Now, when they did that, or he portrayed him as a killer off the rocks and tried to initiate the pit of Logan versus Sabertooth. And what is interesting from there is that they play to that by killing Caleb. Killing Silverfox after she dropped him off.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: So of course, Logan finds her. Then he goes and joins Striker later and gets injected finally with the Adamantium

     

    [Unrealstyle]: after his fight with Victor. The first time.



    [Joker]: Yes. His first fight in the woods, right.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: No, they were at like,

     

    [Joker]: oh, the bar.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: The bar.

     

    [Joker]: That's right. He tracked them back to the bar.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: And then, of course, that's when it came out that they're both. And this was the Lumberjack Bar, if I remember correctly, the famous Lumberjack Bar. Because the lumberjack was sitting out front of the bar.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: And so he goes back to Striker's other facility, which actually wasn't at Alkali Lake because Three Mile Island is in Pennsylvania.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Technically, that's supposed to be Alkali Lake, but because when they go back for like the Origin store anyway, when they go back, he starts to have some memories. But that is supposed to be Alkali Lake to where Logan began. But I think they did it a different way.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. So what the consideration here is that he moved to Three Mile Island for the advanced research.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: But when he created Logan as Weapon X or Weapon Ten, it was at Alkali Lake facility.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: Now, see, that would help make sense to the storyline, but it still gets confusing, especially if you don't pay attention to the lore, because I know I'm very lacking in it myself. They end up his new facility as a Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania as a nuclear facility. And in the process. Excuse me, let me back up. I'm getting ahead of myself. He gets the Adamantium injection. He hears Striker telling one of the other scientists to erase his memory.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: Wakes up, does the scene where he comes out of the water ripped and torn like every muscles everywhere, and yells as the water is falling all over him. And then he runs out of the facility naked, jumps over the waterfall.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: That was a long waterfall scene.

     

    [Joker]: I was going to say that was what?

     

    [Unrealstyle]: That was at least a good like 10 seconds.

     

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah. 10 seconds of his naked ass falling.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: No, that was about like 3 seconds. The rest was just plain waterfall. I'm like, this is a long scene.

     

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah. Because he kind of fell behind the waterfall and then it was just water and no splash, obviously, because of the waterfall.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: All right, so from here, let's see from that scene, he goes into the barn naked.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: The farmer and his wife see him on their way back to their house. In this process, of course, the farmer's wife is like, “I think there's a naked man in our barn”.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: It’s hilarious.

     

    [Joker]: What is going on? Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Captain Obvious. All right. But Logan attaches himself to a couple because they are reminded of their son, who I'm assuming died in the previous war because they were about the same size and build. He had a motorcycle, got a jacket from them, after he in the awkward teen-like fashion destroyed their sink, their shelf and their water heater.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. The radiator. He cut

     

    [Joker]: He cut the valve off because

     

    [Unrealstyle]: He's checking out

     

    [Joker]: He’s checking his new Adamantium claws that he's never had before.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: Like a teen boy looking at his penis erection for the first time.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Pretty much because he's looking at him and everything's fine. But then when the farmer comes up to tell him that dinner is ready, he moves so quick that he just slices the sink in half. And it's like through everything, it's just like slow your roll, just chill.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. So he has dinner. He's wearing the kids clothes or their kids clothes. And then he sleeps in the barn, wakes up. Farmer comes out with the son’s leather jacket when Logan is sitting on the bike and seems like a nice little touching scene kind of thing. And then Farmer's wife comes out with, I guess, tea, breakfast and about to give it to him. And then she gets shot by Zero, like a mile away a couple of times, actually. Twice.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: And then farmer gets hit. Logan grabs a farmer, and then the helicopter comes over the Hill after he over. The radio says Logan just killed two civilians. So blames the death of them on Logan. And from there, they proceed to try to blow him up from the Huey, the helicopter, and he, of course, rides out in flames on the motorcycle. And then it chases ensues and Logan kills Zero pretty much by

     

    [Unrealstyle]: He uses his claws to start a fire off of the rock.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. From the fuel after he's cut the blades and the helicopters crashed.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yep.

     

    [Joker]: And he hears, oh, you were trying to kill me, motherfucker. I got you.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: That was a good one.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah, that was pretty well done by the way. Up to this point, it is the 80s now, like roughly about 81 is when this movie is set, just FYI if you want to try to keep along with the chronological order of it as well. So he walks away, and then he's in the process of trying to find Sabertooth or Victor at this point. And he goes and meets up with John Wraith and the Blob, which is [background computer notifications]

    this. Are we still good? Okay. That was odd. Did not know that happen. Sorry. For those watching on Twitch we had a glitch. Anyway. I don't even know. Did they say what location that the boxing ring was in the training facility that Rake was at

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Las Vegas?

     

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah, there it is, right there. So the Blob blew up. Instead of being muscular like he was during the team days, he's now a fat slob, which we all know from. If you've watched the animated series, you've seen the Blob as just that, a blob of a human being with Juggernaut-est abilities.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. But they've put it for him having a guilt induced eating disorder instead of just how his mutation went.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. Because in this cartoon, he was just fat. It's almost like a thyroid issue in a sense, once he gained his powers.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: So the whole fight scene between Logan and the Blob, what did you think about that one?

     

    [Unrealstyle]: That was hilarious. That was just hilarious. Because even though he has the adamantium skeleton now, he can't make any damage to his body to Blob's body whatsoever until the Blob does a headbutt, and then it's like bone on bone. There might be something here.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. Because up until that point, he didn't really shudder at any of the hits that Logan was throwing his way until he, the Blob, headbutt Logan. And Logan was like, Wait, what? And he kind of shudders or the Blob shudders a little bit. And that's when he's like, okay, yeah.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: To end the fight, he jumps from the throat and just brings his elbow down, straight down on his head.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. And knocks him out.

     

    [Joker]: It was great. So from there, they find out that they need to go, I believe, to Louisiana, because John Race and the Blob know about someone who's been to Three Mile Island, and they go to Louisiana, New Orleans, and meet a favorite mutant of mine, Remy LeBeau Gambit.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: The man with the magic cards, which they never really explained what his mutation was like. You only see that he can control cards, that his eyes glow red when he uses his mutation, which I guess you can say is like a type of magic to the cards. And it's like this energies in these cards. And when you throw it at them or if he throws it at someone, it does something to them and knock them back. And then he has a staff, which he can use that same magic through. But other than that, they really don't really explain what his abilities are, at least in the movies.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. In the movies, he has maneuverability, and he has the control over the staff, primarily because in the fight scene with Logan, he used it to climb the wall. So taking what presumably would be just a generic metal staff and then shoving it through brick as he climbs the wall to get away from him. This is where I was talking about. The comicesque part of it that didn't make sense to me was when Gambit is trying to get away, he's in the fire escape on the side of the building, and you see Wolverine just slashing and hacking at a very comical rate to cut down the fire escape. So that's what I was talking about that I didn't like.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. That kind of added a cartoonish thing to it, but it was hilarious. They got to add some type of comedy to it, or that movie would have been, like straight dark after the death of his wife or girlfriend.

     

    [Joker]: Girlfriend after Silver Fox. The death of Silver Fox. Yeah. It was a lot of drama in the movie versus superhero type stuff. You would honestly think that this was more along the lines of a DC movie than a Marvel movie.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: Excuse me. All right, so after the fight with LeBeau, he's like, I want to know where Victor is at. Blah, blah, blah. Take me to Three Mile Island. This is also, I think, where we see his first real fear of flying because Wolverine has always had a fear of flying.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Well, no, it's gotten worse. But we first see it when they were on their way, when he was still part of the group, when they were on their way to Africa. You can tell by the way he's sitting and trying not to basically hurl his guts out.

     

    [Joker]: Oh, they did mention it during the team flight. Okay, I forgot about that.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. So that was shown there. But then which is kind of ironic because they said if we were meant to fly, we would have been born with wings or we would have had wings, which is just in the mutant world. That's kind of ironic.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. And I think it was alluding to Angel because by this point in the 80s, he was supposed to admit Angel.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Maybe because if we go by the movies wise, then no, but if we go in the timeline wise of how these movies take place, then probably.

     

    [Joker]: Well, I'm alluding to more or less the original comics because angel was a part of the original team and Angel was a part of the team back in the 60s and 70s chronologically.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Possibly. Probably. Yeah, it's a good possibility.

     

    [Joker]: All right, so here's another thing that is definitely way off from the other parts is that definitely not going in line with what most X Men fans are going to be used to as far as who is where and what, because in this case, this is the 80s and Remy LeBeau is well into his 20s. But in the comics, him and Rogue are very close in age.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Oh, yeah, that's true.

     

    [Joker]: That is one thing that I didn't like about them depicting him and this time or this universe, because they definitely put Rogue and Gambit too far apart from each other because by the time Rogue is depicted in the late 90s, early 2000s as a young teenager, that would put Remy LeBeau well into his thirties.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Honestly, that's probably why they had her and Ice Man together.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah, that is right. Because they depicted them as a couple. So once they get the Three Mile Island and the Little John boat of a plane that they were flying in, Gambit said that he won off of Jack's over seven. Right?

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Jack's over five.

     

    [Joker]: Jack's over five. That's right. They get to Three Mile Island, Logan finds out that Kayla is still alive and finds out her mutant abilities at that point, and he actually starts to walk away just walk away from the island, the whole shin-digging scenario.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Until Victor shows up. Because he's watching this entire time hidden in the shadows. Striker not knowing that he's there. And after Logan leaves, Victor jumps down and says, you let him go. And Striker is like, now is not the time. There's still plenty of time. Just have to be patient.

     

    [Joker]: Before he said that to Victor, he said the same thing to Kayla, Silver Fox, about her sister. Because her sister was a part of his experiments.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: And that's when she realized, wait, he's just using us?

     

    [Unrealstyle]:Yes, pretty much

     

    [Joker]: Because Kayla was indebted to Striker due to her sister and letting her go. Hence why she did everything she did to Logan initially. And from there is when she kind of brought it up, hey, he's using us. Fuck Striker.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: And then when she tries to leave, I guess Victor grabs her by the throat and she screams out loud enough for Logan to hear, which

     

    [Joker]: Somehow he's got superhuman hearing.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Now, it's been shown that he's had some type of enhanced hearing and sense of smell because he smelled the dead animal before he found Kayla's body. He smelt the dead animal. Whatever. I can't remember what kind of animal it was. It was just a head. But the animal that Victor killed and left close enough to him that he would pick up on it and see his claw marks on the tree. So he's had it. It's just never really been

     

    [Joker]: Pronounced.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: And then that's when it comes out that Striker has been working on a new Weapon X. Weapon Eleven, which of course, he promptly calls the mutant killer. Mutant killer having all of the a couple of mutants powers. And I actually kind of wrote down which ones they resemble. So Wolverine's regenerative abilities and his ability to extend blades from his fists or throughout his arms. Cyclops eyes and Nightcrawler/John Wraith's teleporting ability. Those are the primary ones that we see in this movie. Now, of course, Weapon Eleven being Deadpool, Wade Wilson. In the process of finishing him up, they show that they cut his eyelids off, giving the typical diamond pattern to the eyes. Yeah, I'm wearing a Deadpool shirt, motherfuckers. It's the only Marvel superhero that I decided to wear because he's the coolest one out there. But instead of claws or what would previously be Bones, it was the Katana blades, which I can only presume were manufactured out of the Adamantium that was left over because Wolverine can't cut them in half.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, because Wade had the efficiency in the movies. He had the efficiency in some type of extra something.

     

    [Joker]: Basically the martial arts.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: Dealing with katanas and blades and weaponry of all sorts. I mean, he's a mercenary, so he was proficient in all kinds of weaponry.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, pretty much.

     

    [Joker]: During his human form, he was called Deadpool as his mercenary name, but the team just called him Wave. And they were like, do you ever shut up? And then they get to this stage where he presents himself as Weapon Eleven to Logan. He's like, oh, it looks like Striker finally found a way to shut you up.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: I don't want to know what they did to his mouth, because I was just like, well…

     

    [Joker]: When he was laying on the Gurney, I guess, inactive before they activated him, they showed stitches in his mouth when the general was there.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: So I'm guessing it was like a skin graph over the stitches, which alludes to the mask in this sense. I mean, it was an absolutely poor depiction of the character at this point.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. When they used Weapon Eleven, I can't call him Deadpool because that's not Deadpool.

     

    [Joker]: Because that’s not Deadpool. Even Ryan Reynolds said that wasn't Deadpool.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, that's not Deadpool. So when Weapon Eleven uses

     

    [Joker]: the lasers,

     

    [Unrealstyle]: The lasers, Scott's powers, they did the diamond…

     

    [Joker]: The blackening of the diamonds around his eyes

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Before Deadpool came out. I liked that. That was kind of cool. But after seeing his actual story and his actual thing, I'm like, they butchered that character. I was highly disappointed.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. And so they had the single katanas coming out of his hands, which those that watch Deadpool, the new Ryan Reynolds movies are absolutely rendition of the real Deadpool character portrayed in comics. Portrayed in everything. The one from Wolverine origins absolutely sucked ass. It was terrible. But with that. So the blades coming out, the laser eyes, that didn't make any sense. The only things to me that actually made sense of that character was the regenerative powers. Cause as soon as Logan stuck him in the chest, like, lower ribcage with his blades, immediately they snapped too. And it was cool. The fighting style was indicative of a later Deadpool. Once he's been Deadpool for quite a while, very quick on his feet and everything.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: And the red pants, he did have red pants.

     

    [Joker]: Yes, he did have the red pants.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: He had the red pants. But that's about it. Everything else was just. No,

     

    [Joker]: He didn't even bleed when he got stuck.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: No, he didn't. I think they pulled that from. They copied that from Logan too much because it wasn't Deadpool. They tried to make Deadpool in their way in this movie instead of trying to go with because there's a lot of things that they don't add up to the actual story, to the movies. There's a lot of things that they did in here that's not true. And when they introduced this new mutant Deadpool or Weapon Eleven, they just tried something and just basically butchered it.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. And I mean, it shows, especially when we move through the actual Deadpool movies later on, because they're in this lineage of the series that we'll be talking about. All right. And then towards the end, so after the fight, Logan climbs one of the reactor towers and is met. And this is where we first see the teleport side from John Wraith. And it's more John Wraith style than it is Nightcrawler style teleport. Because of course Nightcrawler teleports and there's a poof of blackish purple smoke. But it would help make sense that Nightcrawler was a part of Striker's experiments and John Wraith wasn't actually in the facility. He was just a part of the team.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes, because we never really see any other teleportation. Except for those. Well, except for the Last Stand. We saw some teleportation from there, but not to the extent of John Wraith where you can kind of actually see his skeleton when he teleports.

     

    [Joker]: It's more like article teleportation versus just proof. I'm here, I'm there.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, it's more like that

     

    [Joker]: molecular

     

    [Unrealstyle]: than Nightcrawler and Azazel. Because Nightcrawler is only blue because in the comics Mystique is his mother, spoilers alert! Just saying.

     

    [Joker]: I forgot about that actually.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Spoilers, Azazel

     

    [Joker]: and Mystique get together.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yep. And they have Nightcrawler. In the movies, not a thing.

     

    [Joker]: No go whatsoever. What was it Last Stand where Nightcrawler showed up?

     

    [Unrealstyle] Right. Second

     

    [Joker]: or United? Yeah. One, she acts like she doesn't know him. Two, he is actually older than she is.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes. And Azazel's not mentioned whatsoever. We don't see Azazel until First Class.

     

    [Joker]: That's where he's mentioned.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: No, that's where you see him.

     

    [Joker]: Oh that's right. And Apocalypse is where he's mentioned.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes. Because from Days of Future past. Unless things have changed, I don't know when we re-watch them then I'll figure it out. But he ends up dead along with some other mutants that we've seen in First Class end up dead. So things might change, who knows? But First Class is the last time we see Azazell. And so that's like the only time we see him. That's the only time we know anything about them. And we see like his markings is the same as Nightcrawlers.

     

    [Joker]: Okay, anyway, we get to the fight, he teleports up and they start fighting and Weapon Eleven has impinged back to him, blade stuck in his back and about to decapitate Logan. When Sabertooth shows up, Victor shows up, knocks him off and then they proceed to fight together against him. And it takes a while but Victor shows the regenerative powers and strength that Logan has from the beams because it doesn't destroy them like it does everything else. And while Eleven is focused on Victor, Logan runs around and decapitates because his claws are super heated. And would it make sense since 11th partial Adamantium at this point? Because they said they couldn't finish it.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. The nurse that was working on him said the embalming process isn't done yet and I'm like okay, don't know how that goes but alright, because I was very confused when she said embalming because I'm like what?

     

    [Joker]: So they were injecting what Adamantium he had into him to embalm his skeleton.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Okay, so, yeah, so that would make sense. Especially considering Scott's powers. Cyclops powers can pretty much go through everything but

     

    [Joker]: Adamantium.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Adamantium, from what we've seen,

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. And that's where he was able to block it with his claws, which there's huge fucking gaps in between them. And how he didn't get hit by any of that I'll never understand. But this is a movie.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: So his Wolverines claws are super heated, cuts off his head. What was it you said? Because his head is decapitated and the beams are still coming out of his eyes as it spirals down inside.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: I said, Well, I'm just sitting there watching it and I'm like, well, at least we know now that if Scott gets decapitated and he's using his powers, his powers are still going to go and it's just kind of like Medusa.

     

    [Joker]: Well, that would be without his visor on, because you remember, he has to activate the release of it.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Well, I know, but that's what I'm just saying. Like if he got his head cut off and his glasses weren't on because he can't control that at all. So if his glasses are off and he gets his head chopped off, they'll still be going like

     

    [Joker]: Cutting through everything.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Cutting through everything just keeps on going and be like, all right, how do we do this?

     

    [Joker]: And then of course, we get to the end, y'all prove me wrong, because I swore I saw him shoot six times. But anyway, Logan's carrying Kayla out because she got shot during the escape with the children. And after the reactor falls or the reactor tower falls, Logan finds Kayla in the rubble and he's carrying her away from the island. And then Striker shows up with the Adamantium bullets in a six round revolver. And he goes shoots Logan twice in the back, apparently only once in the chest, which I thought it was twice.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: No, because when he shot him in the shoulder, it only delayed him long enough just for a moment, because after he hits, he's still continuing to run. Striker gets a bit scared. A lot scared actually, and starts sprinting. So when Logan runs up the broken reactor and jumps towards them, Striker does the headshot,

     

    [Joker]: The single head shot right between the eyes and then falls and then he double taps him in the head.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: So he had one bullet left which he was going to use on Kayla. Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: But he got into a range and she grabbed him and that's where she's like, I should make you shoot yourself with this.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

     

    [Joker]: But she then makes him turn and walk until he can't walk no more.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

     

    [Joker]:And of course, Logan comes to after a while and LaBeau shows up behind them near Kayla. He's like, do you know who she is?

     

    [Unrealstyle]: And just Logan's going, no.

     

    [Joker]: She's dead. So I don't care about her. I mean, I don't know what I can do for her,

     

    [Unrealstyle]: But you can kind of see it like he felt something for a moment. But given the chaos and everything he can't remember, he just can't do it.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. So with the Adamantium bullets, it was able to penetrate his skeletal system and damage his brain. Now, of course, his brain is going to regenerate, but the memories associated with those nerve clusters is gone because there's nothing there for those new ones. So all the memories he has, of course, is shoved way back into his subconscious, which he can't recall right away. So he doesn't remember anything for the last, what, 100 years of his life?

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    [Unrealstyle]: Pretty much.

     

    [Joker]: Actually almost 200 years.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: 1845 to 1981?

     

    [Joker]: In 1845, he was about seven. So he was born in 1830s, so. Yeah, well, over 100 years. Let's just say 32, 37. Give him an eight year old.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: 144 years old.

     

    [Joker]: 144. By this point.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: For our audio listeners, I had to get my calculator from my phone.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. So 144 years of memory is gone. Like that. That's crazy.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: That's a lot. That's a lot of history. Just wiped out

     

    [Joker]: And they leave. Well, he leaves, goes off, and I guess Gambit goes off and does his own thing, too. Or they leave together. I can't remember.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: No, Remy leaves, presumably to go back to New Orleans, because as the mutants that Logan freed beforehand were brought to safety with the help of Professor Charles Xavier,

     

    [Joker]: Who we see in a helicopter

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Who we see shows up in helicopter, who we see standing.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. Because he was interacting with young Scott, which looked like about a teenager at this point.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, he was about in high school, but he had the glasses. Here's the thing.

     

    [Joker]: He had Blinders on it during his stay with.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: You know what I'm saying? Before Victor grabbed him, he had glasses on. He had red glasses on. Yeah, he had red sunglasses on.

     

    [Joker]: But he didn't get that technology until after Charles Xavier.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Exactly.

     

    [Joker]: Because it was during his freshman-ish year of high school is when his powers developed in the school.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Exactly. Exactly. You see where I'm going with this? You see my problems with this, because at the end of this, when the mutants are lost, they don't know which way to go. And Scott hears Professor X tell him to go left. And after they meet each other, they finally get introduced to each other. And I'm just going like, wait, wait.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah, none of this.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: There's a lot holes.

     

    [Joker]: None of this storyline with their interaction makes any sense.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, there's a lot that doesn't make sense, but it's still a good movie.

     

    [Joker]: All right. So anyway, in credit or pre credit role, there's a scene where strikers walking still down the road somewhere in Pennsylvania.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: And MPs roll up. And funny enough, a striker is what that vehicle was called.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: The irony. I love it.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. The armored vehicle that the MPs roll up on him is called a striker.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah

     

    [Joker]: Anyway, so they say you William Colonel Williams Striker, blah, blah, blah. Yes. Well, you're basically being charged with the murder of a General.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: And credits roll. And funny enough, what took us so long, honestly, was the fact that we were checking to see if there was any post credit scene which there is.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

     

    [Joker]: The post credit scene is of Deadpool Wade Wilson. The skin graft is gone, the stitches are gone. And you see his blade, the Katana blade being sunken back into his arm and his arm moving like he's trying to get out of the rubble. Of course it's detached at this point but it goes to his head, touches his head and then his eyes open that are normal again and you see him say [whispered] shit.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Which is more towards actual Deadpool’s than anything we had seen the entire movie.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. Because that was very reminiscent of a Deadpool-esque

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Before all the sapling when there was still a group and they're talking and everything.

     

    [Joker]: When it was Wade Wilson.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: When it was, yeah. That was a little bit more towards Deadpool's personality than the rest of it.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: There were snippets but there wasn't a lot.

     

    [Joker]: Yeah. So that was the final scene in the movie. Post credits. Now, deleted scene that wasn't in the theatrical version but is in the DVD Blu-ray releases. Deleted scene was when they're in Africa. There is a part before this that they talk about that group of people that they go and see at night.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: Well someone is there as a little slave girl.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Storm.

     

    [Joker]: A youngling from the pictures I've seen looks like she's about seven or eight white hair. But according to the Lore course, Storm is the offspring of an ancient magic Kingdom

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: And she's embodied with the powers more of magic than anything with the ancients of their culture where she can manipulate the weather and anything that deals with particles and atoms and molecular. That's how she's able to control the weather and she can do that on any world

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah

     

    [Joker]: According to the lore. But that deleted seemed kind of eluded more towards the lore of Storm. But they deleted it from the theatrical version.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. And also kind of doesn't really make sense because Scott is a teenager. Storm, Jean and Scott

     

    [Joker]: Are the same age.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]: But Jean is nowhere in this movie

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah

     

    [Joker]: and according to the other movie she would have been born by this time but she would have only been about five or six.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: So was Scott.

     

    [Joker]: So was Scott and Storm was if they wouldn't have deleted it. But I understand why they did because it did not fit the storyline, the plot line of this movie at all. But she was about the only one that was the right age, about five or six years in ’81 It was what ’86 when they did the flashback going to her house.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: I think so. It was in the late 80s, middle late 80s. If they would have used a different mutant with like an exploding like some type of power, somewhat like Scott's but not like the exact replica, I think that would have been better and probably made more sense because the way they have these things going is just moving everybody around.

     

    [Joker]: So what we're getting at is this side of the Marvel Universe definitely is not as intricate as the Avengers side of Marvel because they went real in depth with lore back and forth in the DC versus the X Men Universe

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, they really stuck to everything, like

     

    [Joker]: Talking about cheeseburgers. I mean, Tony Stark's love for cheeseburgers after he died and Happy is talking to his daughter. She wants cheeseburgers.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, exactly. They did the details right.

     

    [Joker]: Mine is Spiderman. MCU’s Spiderman is completely different from the true Spiderman.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: They kind of made up for it, though.

     

    [Joker]: The new one.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: The newest one. They made up for it.

     

    [Joker]: No Way Home. They finally gave the MCU's Peter Parker a true Spiderman, end story.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

    [Joker]:Because we finally lost some.

     

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

     

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    [Joker]: Man. This is this is the first time I think we've gotten on cam.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Yeah, it is. I'm mostly behind the scenes

    [Joker]: in the chat.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, pretty much.

    [Joker]: Which we have in three different locations across the room.

    [Unrealstyle]: [Laughing]

    [Joker]: Oh, there you go. Hey. All right. Yes, Atari. It is Jordan.

    [Unrealstyle]: Hi, Atari. Hi, Death, miss you dude.

    [Joker]: Jordan actually lives not far down the road either.

    [Unrealstyle]: This is going to be problem, gonna be trouble, the entire time.

    [Madhouse Presents Group Therapy Music Introduction]

    [Joker]: But without further ado. And did do, I do, you do? We all do.

    [Unrealstyle]: Oi!

    [Joker]: Oh, fuck. This is bad.

    Welcome to the only podcast where we are crazier than the life you deal with daily. This is the Madhouse. I'm Joker. And today on the Madhouse Presents Group Therapy, I am joined by none other than Unrealstyle on Twitch, our lovely member of the community, Jordan.

    [Unrealstyle]: Hello, everyone.

    [Joker]: And today Group Therapy is giving everybody episode twelve of the X Men universe started with Episode 10. So, we're on the second, no third. Episode 10 was the first movie, X Men. Episode eleven was X-2. And now we are on X Men: The Last Stand. It is the third film in the original franchise. What do you think about that, Jordan?

    [Unrealstyle]: I think they could have done so much more effort, but the movie was great in itself. They didn't get by it.

    [Joker]: So, like I was telling you before we started this, I've got the whole list here. So, if you want to take a picture of this, this is the actual lease date, like the cinematic release date of the films.

    [Unrealstyle]: Okay.

    [Joker]: This film that we're going to be kind of talking about today was released in 2006, literally. Now, two years after I graduated high school.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Don't ask me. I don't do math. 2006.

    [Joker]: What year did you graduate high school, or did you leave high school?

    [Unrealstyle]: I believe I was supposed to be the class of 2012.

    [Joker]: Oh, my God, you baby.

    [Unrealstyle]: I got nothing. But yeah. So, I was supposed to be class of 2012.

    [Joker]: You know what I was doing in 2012? Coming back from Afghanistan. Yeah.

    [Unrealstyle]: I got nothing.

    [Joker]: Well, we're going to get going again. We're talking about The Last Stand. So, The Last Stand again was released in 2006. Now, we talked about just to kind of summarize what the first two movies did, obviously, X Men One or the original X Men in 2000, which was 22 years ago.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: I feel the original X Men came out 22 years ago. But originally the original series of X Men was based around Rogue. It wasn't even around Wolverine.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: And because of the fame after the first film, that's when Hugh Jackman kind of stole it from Anna Paquin and became the star, the centerpiece of the universe. But they weren't even originally planning to make any more X Men after that

    [Unrealstyle]: It became a fan favorite, because of that. That's where it went. It blew up that way.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So, in the second film, X-2, they brought out some fan favorites. As far as the mutants talking about Nightcrawler, dove deeper into Wolverine, Rogue, Cyclops, Iceman, Pyro, Mystique and Magneto. And then there was some nice little not face time cameos. But in one scene that I talked about; you can check back to get the full details on that Episode 11. Also on YouTube, I have every single episode posted. So, until we get affiliate, of course, within a week or two, the VODs fall off of Twitch. So go check out the YouTube channel. You just got to simply search Madhouse Presents Group Therapy and you can find us there as well. But they talked about the Guthrie siblings, Sam and Paige or Cannonball and Husk. Silver Samurai, one of the Weapon X's, the male Weapon X, outside of Logan.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah

    [Joker]: Kane, Remy LeBeau, who was Gambit. Of course, Magneto, Artie was also in there. They mentioned Multi-man, Karma, the Maximoff twins. Maximoff twins, Scarlet Witch and Silver Surfer.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Quicksilver.

    [Joker]: Thank you, Silver Surfer. It's still the universe, but wrong Silver. Proteus, which was McTaggart’s brother.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: And then Moonstar. Danielle Moonstar, who was originally Psyche and then transitioned later on in the comic book series to Mirage. So, she was mentioned in there. And then, of course, we got a good glimpse in the second film at the young Colossus, too.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right

    [Joker]: Now, with that, we do get a few more glimpses into newer or not newer but cinematic renditions of some more mutants from the X Men universe. I think his name was Archangel.

    [Unrealstyle]: Angel

    [Joker]: Just Angel?

    [Unrealstyle]: Yep

    [Joker]: Boring. He shows up and has a few parts in it. Colossus gets more screen time in this film. We finally get to see the first mutant version of Hank McCoy as the Beast. And this is where he takes off and gets popularity because in the last film or in X-2, he didn't really get that much screen time. It was just a snippet on a TV in a human form. Let's see. Multi-man gets in the attempted rescue of Mystique on the mobile prison transport. Multi-man actually gets screen time and then Juggernauts makes his first appearance in the live action and then also Leach, which is the one that kind of sets the whole plot line of this movie. So, I think we can go in. So as far as the different mutants, before we get into the actual summary of the plot line, what do you think about the different mutants that showed up?

    [Unrealstyle]: I think it was good. They definitely branched out from the first two movies because in the first two movies we don't really see, what’s the word for it.

    [Joker]: What are you trying to say?

    [Unrealstyle]: The different kinds of unit power.

    [Joker]: The variety.

    [Unrealstyle]: Variety. Thank you.

    [Joker]: Speaking of variety, too, before you continue, is we were in the first episode, so Episode 10, we're talking about the first movie. We did go over the three classifications or the four classifications. I think it was Omega, instead of the tier levels that they talk about in this movie with the class level, but we give them the names, the Omega, Beta, Alpha. Now, they do talk about, in this movie, the class levels instead of Omega level like we talked about in the first or Episode 10. They talk about them. They give them a rank structure as far as numbered tiers. So, one being the lowest, two, three, four and five. Five being Jean Grey and the Dark Phoenix, or Phoenix herself.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right. All right.

    [Joker]: Anyway, continue.

    [Unrealstyle]: No, you're fine. That would just explain the Omega tattoos and cut out in that one pair.

    [Joker]: Oh yes. When they were doing in the Church or the Cathedral.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, the meeting.

    [Joker]: Yeah, it was like the meeting.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Because some of them have the Omega like tattoos and then the.

    [Joker]: Oh, Spike. His name is Spike.

    [Unrealstyle]: Okay. Spike. He had it buzzed through the back of his head, like as a haircut style.

    [Joker]: Oh, I did not notice that.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, you can only see, like when it goes over, you can't really see the other ones. But two of the mutant girls that were with him, they had the Omega tattoos on them.

    [Joker]: Oh. So, like Calypso. No, it doesn't show in there.

    [Unrealstyle]: The one that did her hands like that and sent out the shockwave that destroyed all the guns.

    [Joker]: Yeah. We're going to have to look that one up. Okay. All right. So, going through the summary of the plot line between my notes and what we've got up here, not Jubilee. Jubilee was one of the X Men. This was one of the evil side mutants that aligned themselves with Magneto. But in the beginning, it starts out with a 20-year younger Professor X, when he was just Charles Xavier. He wasn't really a professor at the time. And Eric Lensherr, who of course is Magneto, when they were still friends and Xavier could still walk. Now, of course, the characters are Patrick Stewart and

    [Unrealstyle]: McCullen.

    [Joker]: Ian McCullen, just with CGI effects on their face, making them younger or appear younger. And they were going to see

    [Unrealstyle]: Jean.

    [Joker]: Gray for the first time. Arclight. Yeah. There we go. Thank you, chats. But ArcLight was the one you were talking about on the evil side.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

    [Joker]: But they meet the young Jean Grey, in her home, in the suburbs, which is the first rendition of a young Jean Grey. And during that interaction, she has all of her powers. She is already as a twelve-year-old, I think. Twelve.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: We'll just say a preteen with class five or Omega level destruction capabilities in her. Like, the Phoenix is already a part of her, in this timeline. Whereas if you watched any of the newer X Men stuff, it's actually not a part of her until the Dark Phoenix.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: So, in the original series of X Men movies, she's already the Phoenix. She's got the Phoenix level powers. Then we transition over to the young, very young, Angel, what looked like about seven or eight in his Daddy's bathroom. Now, of course, his dad is one of the main antagonists in this movie on the human side. And he's trying to beat down the door because the kids shuffling around.

    [Unrealstyle]: Oh, my God, I got it.

    [Joker]: Because he just cut off his wings. It was Angel. Freaking hawk wings grown out of his back but he's trying to cut them off because his dad's anti-mutant. Well, the dad bust down the door and that's when he sees that his son is the mutant. And what they end up doing, they'll show it later on where Angel is supposed to be the first to be injected with the cure. So those two scenes, what do you think about them?

    [Unrealstyle]: The pain from Angel, like as a young kid knowing what his father is doing to mutants and to literally basically cut something out that is living part of you. It's like I'm taking your arm. Yeah. It's literally tearing apart at yourself. So that scene, it just shows, like, so much emotion because I got a little bit tearing not going to lie when I watched it because he's trying to hide who he is from his dad.

    [Joker]: Well, thinking, like, as far as actual human beings, like when they try to hide young gay kids trying to hide their gayness from their parents, like young boys that are gay and like cross dressed that end up being great Drag Queens later on in life.

    [Unrealstyle]: Oh, yeah.

    [Joker]: But them hiding those unapproved items kind of thing.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Or like young girls who feel more masculine binding and they try to hide their binders that they got from a friend from their parents.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: That's what I thought of it as even back then because I grew up with a brother that's gay and he was not necessarily hiding it, but he wasn't out about it either.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: That's what I was thinking.

    [Unrealstyle]: Oh, no, wholeheartedly. I think I took a note that how people thought there was a cure for gay.

    [Joker]: For gay. Because there's a cure for the gay.

    The gay is the mental illness.

    [Unrealstyle]: Exactly.

    [Joker]: The mental illness is thinking that you can control people.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, pretty much.

    [Joker]: Oh, speaking of control people, I just found out recently that there’s, one of the best novels that I had ever read called 1984, is actually banned in the US.

    [Unrealstyle]: I read that in high school.

    [Joker]: You know what other countries it's banned in? China and Russia.

    [Unrealstyle]: Shocker. Sorry.

    [Joker]: Is China and Russia saying that it's anticommunist, the US government saying that it's anti establishment, but I can't remember what it said. And that's where the problem was that it's not either of the two acclaimed reasons, but it's anti authority.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah

    [Joker]: Anyway, that's what I was thinking about.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Let's see. All right, then it goes to modern time in the movie to the Danger Room. Danger Room is the holographic projection room that they have at the mansion or training young mutants to becoming X Men. And this is the first time we actually get to see it. If you remember back to the other episode, I actually mentioned in The Fun Facts that there was slots for the Danger Room to be filmed in the last movie as well, but they didn't do it right. So, what we got in this one is they're going against

    [Unrealstyle]: Sentinels.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Sentinels. Thank you. And it was Rogue, Iceman and Colossus along with Wolverine and Storm, which was supposed to be Scott Winters, who is Cyclops in Storm?

    [Unrealstyle]: Summers!

    [Joker]: Yeah. Who Scott Winters? I'm trying to think.

    [Unrealstyle]: I have no idea.

    [Joker]: I'm exhausted. Please forgive me. Anyway, Scott Summers, Cyclops and Storm are supposed to be the ones training new mutants. Well, of course, as you can remember, in X-2, Jean Grey got assumed by the flood of water that she held back so they could get out of Alkaline Lake at the end of the last movie. So, he's depressed and down about that and angry and all this other shit. He's in his fields right now. So, Wolverine stepped in via the request of Professor X, and they're getting beat up pretty bad. Wolverine has his last cigar knocked out of his mouth and destroyed. And then he looks at Colossus and it's like, toss me. So, Colossus does a nice little heave of Logan. And of course, Logan cuts the Sentinel's head off and shows up behind. There's a lot of shit about that that I like that scene.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Because you got to see Rogue starting to finally be introduced as an X Men, because, of course, in this animated series and a lot of the comic books, she was a mainstay and a primary known character in the universe. She just looked hot in yellow and green. And that best.

    [Unrealstyle]: She was one of my favorites in the animated series. I'm not going to lie.

    [Joker]: And then, of course, we got to see Colossus actually in action.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: And then Ice Man, of course, because I think Pyro, at the end of the last film, already joined over to Magneto.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. It was towards the end of second.

    [Joker]: All right. Now with Colossus, this is where it's a little contrary to what I remember from the animated series and the comic books is that he did not have the ability to go back in his mutation, like steel up and be human.

    [Unrealstyle]: I believe so. From the animated series. I believe that he was always metal.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Always.

    [Unrealstyle]: He was never human.

    [Joker]: Kind of like what's depicted in The Deadpool.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: Now, the other downfall is that Colossus is Russian or Eastern European, but he has no accent in these movies. Last movie, and he didn't in this movie. Right. He was speaking proper good English.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. His accent is supposed to be thick.

    [Joker]: Yeah. It's like in The Deadpool series because he's like either Russian or Iranian. Something along those lines.

    [Unrealstyle]: I think he's Russian. His name is, but I think it's like a pressure thing.

    [Joker]: Yeah. All right. But anyway, so in this one is swapping back and forth, whereas in most other fictions, like in the Deadpool, he does not swap back. And then, of course, Storms mad at Logan because Logan kind of stepped up and ended the simulation.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Instead of letting them fight it out.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker: Because in the animated series and a lot of the standard X Men comics, the Sentinels are one of the main posing units outside of the Brotherhood of Mutants against the accident. All right. And then we go to Hank showing up. He becomes the ambassador or no, he's a secretary of something.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. He's like the

    [Joker]: Secretary of Mutants.

    [Unrealstyle]: I believe so. Yeah.

    [Joker]: And this is the first appearance, like I said earlier, in his mutant form in the series, and he's in a tie, like, dressed up, but blue fur everywhere. And they're talking about Raven because Raven is finally captured. She was trying to as Senator Kelly. I believe it was still or is it a different.

    [Unrealstyle]: I forgot his name, but yeah. No, she was trying to break into the FA as

    [Joker]: not Senator Kelly, who she portrayed the last two.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: Yeah. But anyway, she got caught. And that's when they cut to her scene being interrogated. And during that interrogation, they're trying to ask her where Magneto is at. And she goes through, like, two or three different mutations or transformations in that process, finally beating the interrogator on his ass, which is hilarious.

    [Unrealstyle]: That was great,

    [Joker]: Because he was a dick about it, too.

    [Unrealstyle]: He thought he could break mystique. And it's like, no, dude, she breaks you.

    [Joker]: Yeah. And this was one of the first times they used her real name. Raven.

    [Unrealstyle]: Raven.

    [Joker]: Yeah. They actually used her real name in this one. I don't recall them using the other two. They always call her Mystique, except for Magneto culture. But outside of that, no other mention of Raven or Mystique.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: But anyway. And then she promptly said, that is not my name or that was my slave name.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, that's her to her slave name. Yeah. She doesn't answer to her slave name.

    [Joker]: Yeah, she doesn’t answer to her slave name. And then, of course, Misty comes out. And what did she call him when she actually grabbed a hold of him?

    [Unrealstyle]: Homo Sapiens.

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah, Homo Sapiens. That's right. I couldn't remember that one. Let's see, then it cuts to another scene where Professor X is talking to Storm walking down the main hall, and he offered his position as the headmaster of School Gifted Children or, excuse me, youngsters, to Storm. And this isn't the first time I remember seeing this because I know in the comic book series there was one off spray where that happened because Scott died, if I remember correctly, or something happened to him along the lines of his mental state. Kind of like what they're portraying.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Because most everywhere else, it's always Scott Summers, who as Cyclops is the main leader of the X Men, is always offered the lead over the school. Right. But this follows that one off spray where Storm takes over, has the option to take over.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: So those three scenes, like Hank, Ravens scene and that scene, what were your thoughts on those?

    [Unrealstyle]: I thought it was like how they made Scott go through the stages of grief, but instead of going towards the acceptance he put in because he was one of the original students along with Jean. So, it would have went to Jean, but then she died, and then Scott. But then was his mental decline after Jean's death, the next person is Storm, which is a good choice because she's always thinking about the students. She's always thinking about the school. She's always there to protect them. And what stands for? She lost one of her best friends, but she picked herself up. She went through the process, and she was gone to know that her purpose is still there.

    [Joker]: Yeah. All right. Raven scene, the interrogation.

    [Unrealstyle]: I loved it, I loved it. Like, you can wholeheartedly tell that even up to the point before she gets shot with her loyalty to Magneto is solid. Like nothing would break her of it. And they really, totally thought that they could put her in a room, and she cracked. They wholeheartedly thought that she would betray everything that she believed in, who she believed in.

    [Joker]: For those that have never really seen the original series only saw the newer versions of Mystique that Jennifer Lawrence plays as the younger version, Rebecca Romaine Stamos was a femme fatale. Like, she is death reincarnate here as Mystique, and it fit well for her.

    [Unrealstyle]: It really did.

    [Joker]: But she was sinister in her portrayal of the Mystique, Raven character, and that's what made it so believable that she was that person.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: I like that. Okay.

    [Unrealstyle]: That's one of my favorite scenes.

    [Joker]: Yeah. And I don't think even if they tried to revisit that side of Mystique, like that true evil side, I don't think they would have gotten that out of Jennifer.

    [Unrealstyle]: From watching the originals to the new ones, I think she could have had the potential to if it was explored more because she kind of had it in Days of Future Past. She kind of had that going. But then when everything changed, she changed. So, we never really got to explore. I think there was potential for it. It would have went either way, but we never really guessed it.

    [Joker]: It's one of those, like, butterfly effect situations, split second decision, which in one of the movies coming up real soon of the new cast, I should say, that continued out the series for as long did continue. But Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique will talk about that actual turning point during that. Okay, so next is the scene where they start out the transportation of Mystique in the

    [Unrealstyle]: Mobile prison.

    [Joker]: Yeah, it is pretty much a mobile prison that doesn't dampen their abilities, but they're in cell pods that are restrictive to their abilities.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: In there of course, Mystique is at the head of the trailer,

    [Unrealstyle]: Yep.

    [Joker]: And she transforms into a girl. The part that I love the best is the guard “bitch, I will shoot you.”

    [Unrealstyle]: [Laughing]

    [Joker]: That was hilarious. That was perfect.

    [Unrealstyle]: It really was.

    [Joker]: And then before the best part of that particular scene, which isn't right now, it comes later. They go over to Beast, meeting Leech, which is just a little boy in this case.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: So, Leech is a mutant who can drain other mutants of their power, and he doesn't kill them like Rogue would do. He just takes their mutant gene, and it suppresses it. And what's funny is they depicted in this because normally it's kind of like Rogue where it was on a touch that I remember seeing that. But here it's just within a certain bubble of him, everything is spread. Yeah. And I think in one of the scenes towards the end of the movie, it expanded. The bubble was about five or so feet. Colossus.

    [Unrealstyle]: Well, they got pretty close to it.

    [Joker]: True. Okay, fair enough.

    [Unrealstyle]: Because they had to wait until, like, the last minute.

    [Joker]: That's right. Yeah.

    [Unrealstyle]: Because once Juggernaut has enough momentum,

    [Joker]: I mean, yeah, Juggernaut, not Colossus. Juggernaut.

    [Unrealstyle]: No. But once Juggernaut has enough momentum, he can't be stopped. So, Kitty and them waited until last second. Some out of the way.

    [Joker]: We'll get to that. So, it's about like three or 4ft as an aura surrounding him that suppresses any mutant within that range is where we get that. So, Beast reaches out, Hank reaches out, and his hand turns into a human hand, and he's like, oh, interesting. And let's see, then we go to Alkali Lake. The Scott's there, of course, he sees Jean. Now, what I thought was interesting is I did not really know that Phoenix had the ability by Rogue to suck in their powers. I knew she had the ability to absorb them, but not just by touch.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Which Jean kisses Scott. And Scott, you could see the same rippling effect where the powers are leaving his body.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: And it killed Scott. Did it?

    [Unrealstyle]: We're not entirely sure,

    [Joker]: because they haven't really said one way or the other.

    [Unrealstyle]: I think what happened is the same thing that happens when she uses her power. I think that when she used it, he turned into dust, and the only thing left was his glasses

    [Joker]: because he already had them off.

    [Unrealstyle]: Well, I think she had. She took off his glasses.

    [Joker]: No, he took them off. But he had his eyes. Oh, no, she did have them.

    [Unrealstyle]: Every time he takes off his glasses, he cannot control the beams coming out his eyes.

    [Joker]: as long as his lids.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. So, when she took them off,

    [Joker]: He squinted his eyes, and then she suppressed his power to see his eyes.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right. What I think happened was the same thing that happens to everybody when she uses the Dark Phoenix powers.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Because it was after they kissed that you saw kind of like what happened with Rogue when she was sucking their powers, that it was just going but rippling through their body. Okay, interesting. And then, of course, as I said earlier, they were talking about how Jean had all of these powers from birth because they go to Alkaline or Rain and Storm go to Alkali Lake, find her unconscious. Take her back to the

    [Unrealstyle]: Mansion.

    [Joker]: Mansion. Thank you. And that's when you find out that Professor X has been suppressing or blocking those powers from childhood. Because she's had it the entire time. No, that's what I was saying.

    [Unrealstyle]: No, it was her unconscious, like her subconscious.

    [Joker]: but it's always been there.

    [Unrealstyle]: No, because of those Phoenix, it created a second personality.

    [Joker]: Yeah, the personality of the Phoenix. But the powers of the Phoenix, she's had. She's had the power, but not the personalities.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Back to the transport. So, the transport, they come back where the Mystique rescue.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: So that's where we see Multi-man for the first time. Other than just a verbal reference or visual reference of him on the list. We also see Juggernaut again for the first time in a cell, and then the Mystique is released.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Now, what makes this seem so changing to everything was that after her release, she protects Magneto from getting shot with the cure or an experimental cure, in turn removing her abilities and a naked human female laying on the floor. Yeah. And Magneto just shoves her right then and there, like, oh, that's unfortunate. Bye, bitch.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. When I first saw, I was very surprised because after the first two leads, they're close. She is without a doubt, 100% loyal to him. And as soon as this happens, he's like, all right, yeah,

    [Joker]: You're not a mutant anymore. You can't benefit me.

    [Unrealstyle]: But I kind of find what I like about, though, is when they're walking away, he says, and she was so beautiful, too. So beautiful. Such a shame. She was so beautiful.

    [Joker]: Something like that as her blue form. Yeah, that was cool. But shunning her just because she saved him, she saved his abilities because that was definitely going to hit him.

    [Unrealstyle]: Well, at that moment, she thought it was a bullet. Not the cure. They didn't know that they had weaponized it until afterwards. And he took the gun. That's when they realized that it's weaponized. And it's not a cure. It's a lethal weapon against Mutes.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So effectively, Raven is just Raven now. She is no longer mistake and never will be seen. Like, there's no going back.

    [Unrealstyle]: That seems. Yeah, there's no way.

    [Joker]: So, in the overall spectrum of the timeline, Mystique is gone. She's no longer, and she has to live out the rest of her days as a human. That is a dramatic change. Especially losing Scott Summers, to Phoenix. We've now lost Mystique forever in this universe, in this particular lineage of the time. Yeah. How does that feel?

    [Unrealstyle]: It's a lot of big names,

    [Joker]: like long lasting names.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. These are like the names that are always there. Like Mystique is always there. She's always doing something.

    [Joker]: In her white crouched down in the comics and cartoons.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. She's always doing something. You never know what she's doing because she's always changing her image. So, you never know what she's up to until it's your right in the face.

    [Joker]: Yeah. She transferred back. Right.

    [Unrealstyle]: And Scott is always a leader. He's like the number one X Man, like, always there. So, taking out two major players, like, two major things in that franchise that's going to take a heavy hit, especially Jean Grey.

    [Joker]: They were engaged in this time. Yeah, they were.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: They weren't just dating. They were engaged by the second film.

    [Unrealstyle]: I believe so, yeah.

    [Joker]: Now, of course, in the cartoons and most of the lineages of the comic book series, they ended up getting married.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: But yeah, two big names gone by the third

    [Unrealstyle]: Can't really find big names like that. I mean, you probably could, but it wouldn't be the same.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Fair. Now, this, of course, is the premise in which we're talking about up to this point of knowledge. Now, of course, most of us who watched all the cinematic universe of the X Men know that Scott Summers is not dead because he shows up in the next version, I believe. No, I'm thinking of something else. Never mind. He is gone. I lied. He is gone. The Days of Future Past when they split to

    [Unrealstyle]: Apocalypse.

    [Joker]: Is it the Apocalypse?

    [Unrealstyle]: Apocalypse. That's when he's introduced Apocalypse

    [Joker]: I'm not talking about the young Scott. I'm talking about this guy.

    [Unrealstyle]: Oh, yeah. No, after the third one, he gone.

    [Joker]: He's gone.

    [Unrealstyle]: He’s gone.

    [Joker]: It's like when it sends Logan back in time.

    [Unrealstyle]: No, that's Kitty Pride.

    [Joker]: That's Kitty Pride. Okay. Yeah. When Kitty sends him back and that side of it, he's not there right back. I'm trying to remember. I'm jumping ahead. But anyway, so cinematic wise, he's gone right now in this timeline.

     Yeah. As of last name.

     Holy shit. And then, of course, they get into the altercations because Phoenix joins Magneto right towards the end of the battles final. Because I missed that. Logan star. Oh, no. She went on her own. Magneto learns about Jean's resurrection, so he's completely oblivious to her resurrection by this point. But through Callisto, who was a collaboration power collection, which we'll get into later. But her ability to sense the presence or power level of Callisto that is, senses Jean because she's a level five dude.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: And that's when Magneto learns about it. He's trying to get her on his side, but through Jean and Phoenix. But Phoenix joins. Phoenix destroys the house because they're at her old house. Of course, the X Men are there, and Magneto and his team are there. She destroys the house in almost half the damn neighborhood with her powers and Xavier. Before they can stop her, Jean leaves with Magneto. Okay, so, yeah, she did join up with Magneto

    [Unrealstyle]: After everything happened at the house. Yeah.

    [Joker]: Okay, so after interrogating a de-powered Mystique, the FBI discovered Magneto's bases in the woods. So, she realized that she was betrayed. So, she gave up Magneto at that point.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: But the life forms at the camp are all decoy copies of Multi-man. So, this is where you get to see his powers in action, where he's basically a distraction or diversion. Magneto and the Brotherhood have gone to storm Alcatraz Island, where Leech is being held, and the cure is being manufactured by using his magnetic manipulation powers to reroute the Golden Gate Bridge. So, in this, he takes literally the center section of the Golden Gate Bridge and uses it as a real bridge, a floating bridge that they all stand on to get there. The remaining X Men confront the Brotherhood, despite being significantly outnumbered and arrived just as military troops thus far have been neutralizing the attacking mutants are overwhelmed by the Brotherhood. Let's see. So, Jimmy, who is Leech, Kitty Pride or Elliot Page now. But before was for Transition when they were starring. What was their name?

    [Unrealstyle]: Ellen.

    [Joker]: Ellen. There you go. Ellen Page. My brain is fried. I'm exhausted.

    [Unrealstyle]: I even took a nap

    [Joker]: I even took a nap during the movie. Yes, but then Ellen Page now Elliot, because of full Transition has been done. But Elliot character, Kitty Pride, saves Jimmy from Juggernaut. That's what we were talking about earlier because Jimmy is Leech, who sucks away or.

    [Unrealstyle]: all the mutant powers.

    [Joker]: Yeah, all the mutant powers around them because she found out when she tried to run through a wall with him, just bounced off of it.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: And then because Juggernaut was chasing Kitty all throughout the facility, breaking down walls until that point. Then he knocks himself out and they go back out one of the other holes that he's already created. Let's see. So, Logan has Colossus through him at Magneto and distract him long enough for Hank or Beast to inject Magneto with the cure. So, at this point, the major fight on Alcatraz. Magneto is now injected with the cure. He is now useless

    [Unrealstyle]: human.

    [Joker]: human. Let's see. The army reinforcements arrive and shoot at Jean. So, this is a big factor because they were trying to talk her Phoenix down, and she's like full rage mode. Like skins, pale white eyes are black, red, radiant flow around her. She is full Phoenix boat over the top. The US military shows up, point weapons and fire.

    [Unrealstyle]: She was almost calmed down.

    [Joker]: Yeah, she was almost calmed down.

    [Unrealstyle]: She was almost there. And then all of a sudden, it's like, hey, look, army guys fire at will and say, well, you just screwed up. All right, bye.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So, she goes full rage again, throwing out her Phoenix Essence of destruction is what I call it, her nuclear bomb. That is the Phoenix. And anything within its radius is immediately obliterated. Well, of course, Logan is walking towards her, and you can see it's affecting him, like destroying him. But of course, he regenerates. So, it's like, POW, he fixes himself. Pow, he fixes himself until he gets right up to her. And Jean kind of pulls out of the Phoenix a little bit to basically utter “stop me”.

    [Unrealstyle]: When he's gets up to her, she says, you would die for them. And he goes, no,

    [Joker]: for you.

    [Unrealstyle]: For you.

    [Joker]: That's what brings out the Jean in the Phoenix. And then that's when she mutters, stop or something. Yeah. Because he was trying to talk her down. She said she couldn't control it.

    [Unrealstyle]: Something like that. Something along those lines of I can't control it or something.

    [Joker]: Basically, telling Logan to stop. Oh, my God. Let's try that again. So, Jean tells Logan to stop her or stop the Phoenix. That's when brings out the claws and sinks them deep into her torso, effectively killing Jean Grey. And the Phoenix, she has no regenerative powers.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: And Jean dies. So does the Phoenix, again.

    [Unrealstyle]: Another big name. Done. No more

    [Joker]: And of course, during that process, Xavier was hurt during that fight.

    [Unrealstyle]: Xavier?

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Unrealstyle]: He went at the house.

    [Joker]: Got that.

    [Unrealstyle]: That's the one you actually see Magneto generally care by Charles because he's yelling at Jean not to do it.

    [Joker]: Oh, that's right. She's got him under control.

    [Unrealstyle]: Xavier is literally, like, floating in the air, being held up by Jean.

    [Joker]: Her psychic power.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. And literally like, they're almost having, like, a mind battle. And the last, Eric is over in the kitchen, can't move, and he's yelling, don't. And as the battle goes on, you see parts of his body interior vanishing,

    [Joker]: Ahh.

    [Unrealstyle]: Until finally he tells her, don't let it control you. Logan has literally clawed his way on the roof. He's stuck on the roof inside the house.

    [Joker]: That's right.

    [Unrealstyle]: He opens the door; he's witnessing it all. And then Charles looks at him, smiles, and then he's gone.

    [Joker]: That's right.

    [Unrealstyle]: And then Magneto yells out Charles, like he generally cares for his former friend because they both believed in a safer world. Mutants, just different ideals of how to go about it.

    [Joker]: Yeah, exactly.

    [Unrealstyle]: So that's when Xavier dies, which is another big name that they took out.

    [Joker]: Right? We'll get to that. Yes. Anyway, Jean is gone now. And then what was the in credits or not the end credits. But the final scene,

    [Unrealstyle]: The school is open. Kids are coming back, including Jimmy, aka Leach. He's going to school. He's seen running straight to Storm and giving her a giant hug. Rogue comes back.

    [Joker]: Yeah, Rogue comes back, and she has taken the cure. So, she's in the school again, but as a human, and she's able to finally make skin to skin contact with Bobby. And then it cuts to a presidential speech.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes.

    [Joker]: And the ambassador to the United Nations for mutants and humans alike in the United States, Rogue reveals to Bobby the cure, and he is showing disappointment. But they hold hands.

    [Unrealstyle]: Logan is overlooking is standing in front of the mansion.

    [Joker]: Yes. As the final scene from the school, he's in the front patio, basically, and it zooms out to show the whole building.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yep.

    [Joker]: Then it cuts to a park. And in the park, it's like typical New York Park where old guys are playing chess. And then you see Erik sitting there by himself.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yep.

    [Joker]: With a set of metal chest pieces. It's like you see it in his face. He feels something and he kind of reaches out. And if you don't pay attention, you'll miss it. But it's just a little twitch from the Rook.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. It's like the line that he says that when Logan goes searching for Jean in the forest at Magneto’s Camp, “I can smell your Adamantium from a mile away”. So, he can sense metal. So, at this point after the cure, he can. And then all of a sudden, he's sitting at the park and it's like, wait, I know this feeling. What is this feeling? So, he's like testing it out. Just a sliver on a second. If you blink, you will miss it.

    [Joker]: You will see it right here. And then all of a sudden just that literally, that was it. And then it cuts. Goes to credits. Now, one thing, the entire fucking time that this movie has been out, I have never once seen any credit

    [Unrealstyle]: and neither have I.

    [Joker]: So, finding this movie came out in 2006. It is 2020. I have never seen a post credit scene, but there is the post credit scene is Moria MacTaggert checking in on a comatose patient. That patient is Xavier.

    [Unrealstyle]: No.

    [Joker]: It's Xavier's voice.

    [Unrealstyle]: It's his voice, but it's not Xavier. Something that we did skip.

    [Joker]: Yes. Okay, so let me rephrase that.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: When I say it's Xavier, meaning it's his essence, his spirit,

    [Unrealstyle]: His mind essential.

    [Joker]: Yes. So go back to the scene in the classroom where Xavier is in front of students, one of which being Kitty Pride and some of the other youngsters.

    [Unrealstyle]: So, they were talking about, I want to say, basically the ethics of how far is too far with using your abilities. So, he shows a clip-on video of more of a McTaggart with a comatose patient. He's not brain dead, but he's just basically comatose. Yeah.

    [Joker]: So, there's no expression of life, but not on. He's got a respirator on just for essential breathing. However, there's not a lot keeping him alive. Like the body itself is alive, but it's brain death.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. And he's got like brain or something like that. So basically, what it brings up to in this scene is that how far is too far? Is it too far to transfer? I think it save your

    [Joker]: Conscience of it.

    [Unrealstyle]: Well, no, his example.

    [Joker]: Oh, his example was you had a father who was in a coma or cancer.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes. A father of like four, three or four, with terminal cancer. Is it unethical to transfer his mind from that body to this one?

    [Joker]: That doesn't have or show existence of life?

    [Unrealstyle]: Right. Is it ethical? And so, at this ending scene that I've never seen before, we see that he has

    [Joker]: They have done that transfer.

    [Unrealstyle]: He did it right before he died.

    [Joker]: He transferred his own consciousness or what can be assumed, he transferred his own consciousness to that body.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: And in the scene, he speaks out and all it really says is Moira. And she looks at the patient laying there who she was checking on and is questioning, like, “Charles?”

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: What? Like, it was a huge it was a huge deal. Never seen that before. And we accidentally stumbled upon it because I hit the button because it said Skip credits.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: I was like, what?

    [Unrealstyle]: And I was looking over everything, and then all of a sudden this pops up and I'm like, what is this? What is that?

    [Joker]: I've never seen this. So that is X Men: Last Stand, the third movie in the franchise. Those either here at Twitch chat or YouTube or in the audio realms. What do you guys think about the series so far? If you're following along with us, watching with us as we go through this series, what ideas do you have based on the lineage in which they're presenting them? Do you think it's interesting, especially compared to what you may know from the newer movies, because we'll be talking about that as we go through as well.

    [Joker]: So next up is some Fun Facts or what they call Trivia. This is coming from the Xmenmoviesfandom.com X Men slash Trivia. So, it's just some fun facts that they kind of threw in here some the fandoms threw together based on the movie itself. First bullet point story elements. But the story elements in X Men Last Stand were loosely adapted from various storylines featured in the comic book series.

    [Joker]: Let's see. So, Jean Grey emerging from the body of water after her supposed death is a homage. Two X Men volume one of the 101 storyline titled Lake of Phoenix from the Ashes. The issue also commences the start of Phoenix saga, which is ran through issues 101 through 108 of X Men Volume 1. So, if you have those comics, go back, and look at it. This is what this movie is primarily based on when it comes to the Phoenix side of Jean Grey, the corrupt psyche of Gene Grey is adapted from the Dark Phoenix Saga story arc that ran through issue 129 to 138 of X Men Volume One. That's cool. At least they're staying within the same realm.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: And the development of The Cure is adapted from Gifted, a story arc that ran from issues one through six of Astonishing X Men Volume 3. So, there's some comic book lore built into the movie.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: No one cares about

    [Unrealstyle]: No, not really. (unsure, audio distortion.)

    [Joker]: All right. So here we go. In Dr. Mccoy's first scene, he is seen reading the issue of Scientific America magazine upside down, mind you, which features it's covered as tracking mutations. The issue is an existing one. So, this is a real live magazine. So, if you want to look it up, it's Scientific America magazine and it is tracking mutations. The issue was released October 2005. So that was a real thing.

    [Joker]: Angel's wings were initially too heavy for Ben Foster, who was the actor who played Angel and were remade from home.

    [Unrealstyle]: They don't look it. They did not look it.

    [Joker]: Yes, I know, right.

    [Unrealstyle]: So, they did really well on that one. And then the wings went to CPI, which is fair.

    [Joker]: Yeah, completely fair. Another fun fact. Halle Berry initially decided not to reprise her role as Storm for this film. So, two iterations. She's like, no, I'm not doing it anymore. However, after Brian Singer, who was the director, departed and suffering a major box off the slot with Catwoman. So that's why she didn't want to deal with Singer. Oh, no, she had the Catwoman flop.

    [Unrealstyle]: I think it's Singer and the flop.

    [Joker]: Okay. So, after the flop of Cat Woman that she starred in, she decided to go back and do this role.

    [Unrealstyle]: On the condition that the role be expanded, which I can kind of understand because she didn't have much of an arc

    [Joker]: Story arc to it.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes. She was a major character, but she didn't have the major roles.

    [Joker]: Yeah. She was very much a supporting character in the movies.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: So, it says, let's see. Consequently, in the film, Storm replaces Cyclops because Cyclops died and Professor X as team leader of the X Men. So, she took over his team lead in that, I'm guessing in that promise.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Is what it looks like. It reads as, which is keeping with the comic books, where for a time, Storm served as team leader in Xavier's absence.

    [Unrealstyle]: That's cool.

    [Joker]: So at least they were trying to keep it accurate to the comics best as possible. Let's see. Here we go. Next, Bullet down with the appearance of Beast, though he was in previous films and Angel, the original X Men team that was formed in 1963 was Professor X, Cyclops, Phoenix, not Jean Grey, Beast, Ice Man, and Angel. That was the original team.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Wow.

    [Unrealstyle]: I think they changed the ages of some of the.

    [Joker]: Well, Iceman, for sure, because I remember Iceman in the series was a lot older.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Rogue was a lot older.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. I think they changed it for more like aesthetic wise to draw more like a younger generation because at the time X Men was there at that time,

    [Joker]: Us.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: 30-year-old, basically.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. So, I think they were trying to draw in a younger crowd, which they did.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Now fully appeared in the film. So, this is the first time that the original team fully showed up in the movies. So that's cool.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: But of course, not altogether, because Iceman wasn't a part of the team. Hank hasn't been a part of the team. He just been doing political Laws. And Angel wasn't an X Men at this point either.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: All right, let's see. What else do we got? So, the writers wrote. So, Brian Singer was going to direct, and he and his writers wrote a treatment solely based on the storyline of the Dark Phoenix saga. The decreased Jean Grey returns with a new or destructive personality called Phoenix. She would be manipulated into joining Hellfire Club by their telepathic leader, Emma Frost, whose Sigourney Weaver was intended to for the role.

    [Unrealstyle]: I got just as seen Sigourney Weaver and X Men. I feel robbed. I feel robbed.

    [Joker]: Right, let's see. But the three-way battle occurs. Club who want to take over the world by either Brotherhood in this in the movie depiction, the X Men who wanted to save their Comrade and his brother Phoenix for their own plans at the end to save everyone, kills herself.

    [Unrealstyle]: (audio distortion)

    [Joker]: Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, the characters, Fat and Spike, who were both from Static or X Static comic books, had cameos.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, the big guy.

    [Joker]: Yeah, the fat guy that transitions into a small guy.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, that's him. And then Spike is. I like porcupine.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Because it really is a porcupine. Except instead of just sitting up, they come out of his skin. So, the guy, Kane Marco, who plays Juggernaut.

    [Unrealstyle]: No, that's his name. That's Juggernaut's actual name. Kane Marco.

    [Joker]: Oh, yes, I forgot that was his name. Alright, so you don't know who I am. “I'm the Juggernaut bitch”. That became infamous because of this character, or this depiction of the character was inspired by a popular web parody film that made use of scenes from X Men. Throughout the parody, the Juggernaut character repeatedly says, “I'm the Juggernaut bitch,” according to the Wikipedia. Now we got to find. But I'm saying find this parody. According to Brent Ratner even has a link to this parity in his own website. There you go. Look at that. So, let's see whether or not the parody itself was inspired by misheard line from an old X Men video game is irrelevant to the film's usage of the line, since it's clearly a homage to the web parody.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: All right, so we talked about this one prior to the recording of this Summer Glau. So, Summer Glau is infamous by the TV show Firefly and the movie Serenity, where she is one of the main characters in the series and in the movie. But she originally auditioned for the role of Kitty Pride, who Elliot Page actually got the one that can run through walls, phase through walls. But she looked to Josh who gave her the parts in Firefly and Serenity for advance because she knew it was, she was a big X Men fan, right? Yeah, she was a big X Men fan. Unaware that he had written issues of Astonishing X Men for Marvel and most prominently the gifted storyline about the mutant cure. Her audition script turned out to be pages from Wheaton's Astonishing X Men number five.

    [Unrealstyle]: He was a big X Men.

    [Joker]: Yeah, he was the big X Men. She originally auditioned for it, but Ellie Page got it. Let's see the opening flashback. Xavier and Magneto. The CGI faces the Bfxpertz. I get it now. Xperts, the visual effects Xperts created a special program that enabled digital skin grafting with the use of old photos from Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen. Complexing keep framing is how they made the 20-year younger versions of the two actors for that scene. Griff, if you're still in here, maybe you can help give us an understanding of this next fun fact. The number on Jean's house in that scene mailbox was 1769. If you can come back to us with that kind of reference, we haven't looked that up.

    [Joker]: So, Jed Bernard and Nick Style were considered. But Mike Boggle was originally passed and had to drop out to scheduling conflicts with the Sign. And finally, Penn Foster took resting. I did not know if the Sign was being filmed at the same time. Let's see. According to VFX supervisor John Bruno, about 35 billion was spent on the Golden Gate seat. $35 million for one scene to remove a section of the Golden Gate Bridge and have it fly through the air. That is crazy.

    [Unrealstyle]: That's probably where all the money went for special effects. Because to be fair, during the fight scene, they're not.

    [Joker]: It's all physical effects, like explosions.

    [Unrealstyle]: Well, that and there's not a variety of hours. Like, you see the same guys jumping. You see someone teleporting, like Nightcrawler.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Like twice, though.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. You see one guy that can stick to the underside of a tower. You see another guy who like ash and skin, whatever. And when he reads that, you basically disintegrate. Besides Arc Light, Spike and Liso, you really don't see much of any other mutant powers. It's basically just all pretty much. Which sucks. But at the same time, I can understand.

    [Joker]: Okay, here we go. Talking about Callisto. The mute Callisto in the film is a combination of her comic book version, which is the gang leader.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: And then also the mutant Taliban. And Quicksilver. So, in the film, her first mutant ability that she shows off is the superhuman speed. And that piques his interest. Or Magneto's interest in that one scene in the Cathedral where they're having the meeting.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: But then she talks about being able to sense mutant abilities. Like, no one in this room is over a level three except you two, talking about Magneto and Pyro.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: So that is Caliban's ability as being able to sense mutant abilities or the power levels of. And Quicksilver, of course, is super-fast,

    [Unrealstyle]: Which we don't see like either of them until the first time we see Caliban is in Apocalypse and then fix over,

    [Joker]: I think, is when Magneto is in the prison under Pentagon.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Because they go there.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. So that's like the first time we see.

    [Joker]: Fun fact. Quicksilver in the New Class is the only X Men to be featured in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: He's the only actor to play in both universes, even though they're all the same universe. But in the cinematic universes, they're very different. And he's the only person to play in both universes. So, there's a fun fact for you. Let's see. So, the Danger Room facility was going to appear in previous X films but was written out due to budgetary concerns. The character Leech appears in the comics as a small green rather than a normal looking human child.

    [Unrealstyle]: That would have been interesting.

    [Joker]: The sequence where Magneto rips off the end of the Golden Gate Bridge and moves it towards Alcatraz was based on new X Men Number Seven, where he did the same with the Manhattan and the Brooklyn Bridges

    [Unrealstyle]: What’s with him and bridges?

    [Joker]: They're metal. I mean, those bridges are one hundred years old. They're all steel.

    [Unrealstyle]: I know, but it's just like kind of thing for moving bridges here.

    [Joker]: Yeah. The Danger Room sequence, presenting the scenario of War-Torn World filmed the mutant hunting robots, the Sentinels. The scenario is a homage to X Men storyline Days of Future Past, which featured time travel and a future that was similar to what Danger Room was in it. So, this was well before the actual film Days of Future Past, which is the next film timeline. Yeah

    [Unrealstyle]: In the timeline.

    [Joker]: Chronological.

    [Unrealstyle]: Thank you. And that order.

    [Joker]: It was actually the first chronological.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Let's see. I didn't have this

    [Unrealstyle]: No X men first class, if we're going like the way the going.

    [Joker]: So, Days of Future Past would actually be the last. No apocalypse.

    [Unrealstyle]: No. Because that's set in the past. Yeah.

    [Joker]: So. Yeah. Days of Future Past has both sets of pasts. The older and younger version. Right.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: So, yeah, that would have been the last one in the chronological

    [Unrealstyle]: for the older ones. Yes. That is the last kind of technically the last movie that Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart, you see as their characters

    [Joker]: Outside of Logan.

    [Unrealstyle]: Outside of Logan. Like, there is like one scene where it was James McAvoy and Patrick Stewart one of the talk to each other and see. Oh, wait, no,

    [Joker]: I think that is where they communicate cross timeline.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Basically, that's the last one.

    [Joker]: Okay, let's see.

    [Unrealstyle]: For Daniel, cut more to. Whereas Colossus, this was considered a cheaper move rather than animating colossus ability. And CGI, as seen in the previous film. I told you talked about this earlier, by the way, because in the second one, you can actually see where the metal is, is like muscle underneath, like the muscles that are skin. But in this one, Last Stand

    [Joker]: got you.

    [Unrealstyle]: There's still like facial features and everything,

    [Joker]: But there's not that level of detail.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right. Because when they're shooting at them, you see it come through and you see where the muscle lines are. But in this one, it's like you see the muscle basically it's like the skin, not like the actual side.

    [Joker]: Okay.

    [Unrealstyle]: And I was so mad about that. That explains it, though,

    [Joker]: The maneuver when Colossus grabs Logan and throws him at something, which we find out is Sentinel during.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: So, this is the scene in the Danger Room when they're doing the training and Colossus picks up Wolverine and throws him at the Sentinel. That you don't know is necessarily a Sentinel because you just see the big, bulging eyes and hear the sounds of the Sentinel.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: Spinning around a few times to gain momentum, is known as a Fastball Special and is the ironic iconic move in the X Men saga. The Fastball Special is filmed based on John Cassidy's amazing X Men number Six. So, they actually pay a lot of homage to the comic books here, especially the different, I guess, lineages or sagas that they talk about.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: The Juggernaut is filmed based on his appearance in The Ultimate X Men. So, this Juggernaut versus Deadpool Juggernaut, which are two different variations.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Because this one, I believe, is more human like.

    [Unrealstyle]: No, they're both human. The difference is that Juggernaut not the one in Last Stand, but the other Juggernaut in Deadpool.

    [Joker]: He's bigger,

    [Unrealstyle]: bigger, but also power. His mutated power isn't like, he got it from a gem. He got it from, like, something else.

    [Joker]: Okay,

    [Unrealstyle]: So, in Last Sand, this is genetic. Like, most mutes get their power.

    [Joker]: Yeah, that's right. Because his Dome shaped helmet is just to protect his head from getting knocked out

    [Unrealstyle]: and also, to keep Charles out

    [Joker]: Because it is the same material. It's just a rugged material. Or rugged because of his using his head as a ramrod is why it's all dented up and scarred versus Magnetos metal, which is smooth.

    [Unrealstyle]: Because it doesn't. Because what most people don't know, but what they realize is that after his mother dies, that is when his powers activate. What people don't know is that Charles mother married Juggernaut's father, so they became stepbrother. Juggernaut's father favored Charles, and that's where the hatred came from. And that's where he knows about his powers. And that's another reason why he goes to help to keep Charles out of his head.

    [Joker]: Oh, fair.

    [Unrealstyle]: Because he knows what his stepbrother can do.

    [Joker]: Got you. Okay. Makes sense now, right. Because in the series, he is natural mutant. But while in the original Marvel comics, his ability came from magic, because the one in the Deadpool is still natural.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. They just don't go into the Lake,

    [Joker]: but he's also bigger, more animated.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. They made him look like what he looks like in comics.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Versus this one, the Last Stand. Juggernaut looks more human like, but just bulky, oversized versus unproportioned.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. They still made him like a human genetic mutant rather

    [Joker]: than manufactured.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, basically, pretty much.

    [Joker]: Okay, let's see. Modified Oakley Penny model. So, if you want Cyclops sunglasses from these first three movies, they're Oakley's Penny model and limited-edition sunglasses with a custom tinted created specifically for the film. Also, Hank McCoy wears Oakley Y three glasses specially made to fit his character, I'm guessing wider head.

    [Unrealstyle]: That's a big head.

    [Joker]: Yeah, it is.

    [Unrealstyle]: Sure?

    [Joker]: Maggie Grace. Oh, because they made her a child in this. Remember, she's a young teenager versus an older teenager like she is in the original series.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Okay. I'm like, wait, what?

    [Joker]: Yeah. By this point, I think Maggie was so Maggie Grace is the chick from the Lost series. That was the pristine preppy bitch. She also played in Californication as well. So that's Maggie Grace. But anyway, Maggie Grace was, I think, late in the late twenties when this was filled.

    [Unrealstyle]: And considering how young she looks. Yeah. She could probably pull off like,

    [Joker]: Oh, no, I'm sorry. She was in her twenties when this was filmed versus her preteen teenage years.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: According to fun inspired X Men storylines, Phoenix saga, the Phoenix story represented the main and emotional theme of the film. And the gifted storyline would be the political.

    [Unrealstyle]: I mean, that makes sense.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So, the film, the way it's broken down as the main plot is based on the storyline of the Dark Phoenix saga, whereas the political plot, which everybody's fighting against, is from the Gifted series,

    [Unrealstyle]: which again,

    [Joker] is the cure.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, actually

    [Joker]: All right, so let's see. Brian Singer is in the middle of the three-picture deal, the box being beginning with X-2. So, there was supposed to be a third film after this, another film after this. But keen to make X Men Three, but he and Fox were unable to come to terms during the time Warner offered him a chance to direct Superman Returns immediately, so Singer informed Fox that he was going to take the opportunity but would still return for a direct X Men Three. As the consequence, his deal was terminated, and Matthew Bond briefly joined the production before he backed out. Brent Ratner, excuse me, was the finalist for the director's role on the first X Men, having experience in making a successful film out of a rush production with Rush Hour. Interesting.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: So that's why the story plot stopped with Last Stand.

    [Unrealstyle]: That sucks. All right,

    [Joker]: So, they're probably not going to revisit that storyline, that story arc with Professor X.

    [Unrealstyle]: They really can't. Yeah.

    [Joker]: Because Fox own those rights to that storyline.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, that and the new one. I mean, even if Disney own it now, since it's on Disney plus.

    [Joker] I don't know. Both Rebecca Romaine played Mystique and

    [Unrealstyle]: James Marsden

    [Joker]: James Marsden, thank you. Scott Rolls were reduced substantially when the film was rushed into production and the two cast members had prior scheduling conflict. So, because the actors had other things going on, they said, well, we'll just kill them all. Fucking movie magic.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yay. Makes so much sense.

    [Joker]: Let's see, scroll down a little bit. Get some later. Fun facts. If you see anything good. Really.

    [Unrealstyle]: Oh,

    [Joker]: Oh, here we go. Nightcrawler was supposed to make a cameo appearance in this film because he played in X-2 and was going to reprise the role despite his discomfort with the prosthetic makeup he had to wear for his role. Cameo was so short, however, that the film felt the long and costly make up process was not worthwhile, so he was omitted from the film. Video Game X Men the Official Game mentioned that Nightcrawler joined the X Men but left because he didn't appreciate their life of action and violence. Because the Nightcrawler character was a strong Roman Catholic.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: The mutant Kitty Pride was named after an actual person, a former classmate of X Men writer John Burn. Upon the release of X Men reports, reporters track down Pride in Calgary, Canada to interview her about the film. She has now changed her name to KD Pride. Like the letter K, the letter D Pride and states that she appreciates the comics but wishes to be known as more than just a heroine namesake. Fuck, I'd live off of that.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: That's royalty rights right there.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: You use my name, give me money.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right. I'll be okay with that.

    [Joker]: Let's see. Comic Book Pride appears in all three X Men films but is played by different actresses. So, the young young one in the first one was Sumela Kay, Katie Stewart the second one, and finally Ellen, at the time, Page and only has a major role in X Men last name because she is a supporting character in Days of Future Past.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Which has what, maybe three minutes total of screen time.

    [Unrealstyle]: I think she's like in the beginning part of it. Yeah.

    [Joker]: The very beginning and the very end outside of the time work.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, I think so.

    [Joker]: Because she's the whole reason why Logan is allowed to go back in time.

    [Unrealstyle]: Right.

    [Joker]: Xavier uses her, and we'll get into this, but Xavier uses her to get into Logan's mind to transfer him, basically.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: All right. So, let's see. So, the last scene of Magneto and Professor X where Magneto discovers the return of his powers and Professor X reveals his survival were not in the script and were secretly filmed. Sir Ian McCullen and Sir Patrick Stewart admitted even they didn't know whether their scenes would be in the final cut or not

    [Unrealstyle]: I'm glad they were.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Last point here. We're skipping down some more. And again, this website will be in the show notes for anybody listening in audio land if you want to listen in. Magneto ended up a normal human and Wolverine snide comment, “I'm one of them” is a tribute to the X Men storyline House of M, which ended with Magneto rendered human with Wolverine stating he deserves every second of his crap, Sapiens, crap, Sapiens life. Wow, that's interesting.

    [Unrealstyle]: A lot of stuff.

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah. That is the origin go

    [Unrealstyle]: Up a little bit. Oh, there we go. The popular gambit.

    [Joker]: Yes.

    [Unrealstyle]: Was going to appear in the film

    [Joker]: Again

    [Unrealstyle]: Again, and would have been a love interest of Rogue and arrival for Ice Man, similar to how Kitty Pride was Rogue's rival for Ice Man's affection. However, Fox was developing X Men Origins, Wolverine, and stipulated that no mutant could appear in both X films. And so, Gambit was removed from the script. Channing Tatum was in the running for the role before it was removed, which makes sense because there was like so much fan art when in talks of Gambit joining the X Men. Because you know how, like everyone says, I think this person will be perfect. That and that.

    [Joker]: So, you're saying that the fan art was depicting Channing Tatum as Gambit?

    [Unrealstyle]: Yes

    [Joker]: But see, that in lies the problem because Gambit, especially in the animated series, his voice, of course, being from Louisiana, get that strong Cajun accent. Channing Tatum doesn't have that.

    [Unrealstyle]: Well, you can always learn. I mean, it's the same way people would learn a Russian accent or a French accent.

    [Joker]: Yeah, maybe. But personally, to get to X Men original, to get to the Gambit character, that actor.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, he does do it justice.

    [Joker]: The only issue I have with the Gambit character that is depicted way older than wrote where in the series that I remember growing up, they were very close in age.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, they were. Because they were love interest in X Men Unlimited series or they were like attempting to be like

    [Joker]: They were starting

    [Unrealstyle]: Like you could tell that's what they were building up to, it was Gambit and Probe

    [Joker]: And that's what it was during the entirety of the animated series.

    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: His Gambit Rogue were together. Jean was split between Scott and Logan because the Phoenix character was drawn to Logan, whereas Jean Grey was engaged and married to Scott. And it was an underlining consideration of the Mystique and Magneto for a long time.

    [Unrealstyle]: They kind of brought that energy into which I greatly appreciate it.

    [Joker]: Yes. Okay. So, yeah, it looks like we're going to end that there. I need to make a note.

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    [Unrealstyle]: Yeah, probably.

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    [Joker]: Let's get into today, where we're going to be talking about the second movie. the second movie, X Two, X Men United. So, we've already talked about the the first movie that premiered back in 2000, X Men and the plot-line and what it was intended to be.

    Also what ended up happening because of fandoms. And we talked about towards the end of that episode, which again was episode ten, some unique features about it, like, why did they make the movie? Who was the main star, who was the intended main star? And then the fact that they actually didn't mean to make another movie after that until, of course, all the popularity came from Hugh Jackman's character, Wolverine.

    But now here we are, X-2. X-2 premiered in 2003. 2003, of course, being three years after the premiere of X Men. Now, of course, everybody that follows the X Men universe knows that there is a huge following in multiple lineages of comic books.


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    [Joker]: But what we're going to be talking primarily about today is the cinematic universe. The cinematic universe does not always follow with the guidelines and the storylines of the different comic book series of X Men, but it does like to pull from different ones, to include a lot of different mutants that showed up. Now fun fact: I was trying to explain, or not explain, but talk to Owls about how X Men and the Marvel Cinematic Universe are actually quite close, at least from the X Men side of it.

    Today, we get to kind of dive deeper into that because a lot of mutants that made A list cameo are mentioned or shown in the movie, if you pay attention. So we'll be getting to that. We'll also be talking about the different mutants that show up during the episode or during this movie at different points. And then we'll go into the overall plot line, which I will be using the Wiki link, the Wikipedia link, to kind of skim through the main plot of X Two. And then towards the end of this episode, we will be getting into some fun facts. So “15 things you may not have known about X Two” from a website called Mental Floss.com. All links will be in the show notes: X Men cinematic universe.


    [Joker]: X-2, X Men United. Why the fuck did they name it like that? X-2, X Men United. Why the fuck couldn't they just name it X Men United? Oh, my goodness. The early 2000s was horrendous when it came to naming things in my mind, like, for real, X-2, X Men United, you just couldn't name it X Men United. What's going on here? What is the big deal with these names? The X Men universe?

    At least one thing they did. They waited a three year gap between movies or between releases because they had no plan on it. Right? I mentioned that earlier in the beginning, but with this one, they at least did it right in my mind. In my personal opinion, they actually started up where they left off on the other one. So if you remember, in the original X Men, the movie kind of ended with Logan going to Alkali Lake.

    Professor X drove into his memories and saw Alkali Lake as far as a connection to Logan's past. Cause still, at this point Logan has no memory of his past at all. Like literally at all, except for what Professor X or Xavier was able to pull from his memories, which wasn't very much.

     With that, we actually start out at the White House. And in the White House, we meet our first mutant, at least our first new mutant to this movie. And you see puffs of black and purplish smoke popping in and out of things and like a ghost like figure. Well, of course, we all know that follow the series or have watched more than just the movies, especially by this point. It's Nightcrawler. While that's going on, Nightcrawler is popping in and out and then attacks the President after dismantling his entire guard, the Secret Service, and gets over the President with a knife in his hand, gets shot, drops a knife and it lands next to the President's head almost. And on it, before the scene cut, is a tagline that says Mutant Freedom Now.

    And then it cuts to Wolverine at Alkali Lake, which is frozen over. He gets to the entrance of what looks like the dam portion of it and there's a wolf that greets him. They kind of stares at him, they stare at each other, all that good stuff. And then he walks in and then seeing cuts again. But again, that portion was Logan leaving to go to Alkaline Lake in the end of the first movie. Now here we are at the beginning of the second movie and he's there, finds nothing.

    And then the next scene transfers over to Storm, which is talking to the students or the young mutants at a Museum, a regular Museum. And then of course, as the scene progresses, you see Jean Grey, Cyclops at the Museum with the students. And then it kind of cuts over to the food court, where we see Rogue, Iceman and Pyro kind of just hanging out like teens do. They don't care about the Museum, they don't care about the history. So they're just chilling out in the food court. Well, there's other kids or older teens I guess, probably like 18, 19, come up and start messing with or fucking around with Pyro because he's got his lighter, he's playing with the flame. And then one of them looks at Rogue, one of them jacks the lighter from Pyro and then he lights his cigarette with it. Of course, Pyro being the ass hat that he is funny. It was absolutely fun that he did it funny as hell how he did this because Pyro manipulates the flame, lights the kids jacket on fire. And then Ice Man Bobby uses his powers in front of everybody and puts out the kid. Well, at that point, before the scene cuts, Professor X freezes everything. And that's when the scene then cuts back to the President.

    When we cut back to the President, of course, Stryker is there. We all know who Stryker is. Those of you who don't know, Stryker is a character who has been villainized in the movies as trying to get rid of all the mutants. One of the villainized characters trying to get rid of all the mutants. He is a human. He has been around since Vietnam. And spoiler. He is the one accredited to giving Adamantium to Logan, giving him the Adamantium, claws and skeleton where he's virtually indestructible. Now, with that part of the skit going on, where Stryker, they're trying to get more things going.

    Of course, Senator Kelly shows up. Well, not really Senator Kelly, of course, because if you watch the first one, you'll know that Senator Kelly died, thanks to Magneto. So who else can it be? Dun dun duuunnn. It's Mystique. Mystique is here, of course, playing or mutated into or mimicking, of course, Senator Kelly. Trying to find out information about Magneto's imprisonment.

    And you can see that in the next segment of that scene where Mystique or Senator Kelly follows Stryker and his associates, who also is a mutant. But we'll find out that later. But Mystique follows out and trying to get access to Magneto's prison, because it is a very secure location that Stryker built that is made out of all plastic.

    Well, after that, the next scene, of course, cuts to Magneto being in the prison, and Stryker shows up and you find out how he's getting information, which is a serum or some type of drug that he drops on the back of the neck of the mutants or anybody as a truth serum of sorts. But instead of being a truth serum, he's actually manipulating anybody who he spurts or syringes on the back of the neck of the person or and/or mutant. He can control them. Well, that's how he controlled Nightcrawler. He got a hold of him, put that serum in his bloodstream, I guess, on the back of his neck. It was just right at the base of the neck and made him do that.

    Now, with that, he's asking Magneto about Cerebro, because he's trying to develop his own. Well, then, of course, it turns into Mystique doing the visualization of Stryker’s associate, which is a female, and walking into Striker's facility or one of his facilities, not the facility. And this is where it gets fun, okay.

    So, amongst all of this, of course, you have Jean and Storm taking the jet from the campus to Boston to collect, in a sense, Nightcrawler. And also in that process of Professor X trying to locate with Cerebro Nightcrawler, Logan is there with him. Logan gets left behind, while Storm and Jean Grey go to Boston in the jet, Professor X and Scott, or Cyclops, go to the prison to talk to Magneto. So again, Logan is left at school with the kids by himself, as the only adult mutant there. Now as the only adult mutant there, of course, he's not really teaching them anything. I think it's the weekend. It kind of has that vibe about it.

    But anyway, back to Mystique. So Mystique is in one of Striker's corporate facilities, and she is trying to access some files to find out where Magneto is being held at. So she impersonates his voice, uses voice command to gain access to secure files. And in that process, she pulls up a list of different mutants that are throughout the world. And the list only showed a portion of the names. And they are Guthrie, Harada, Kane, Remy LeBeau, Eric Lensherr, Lindsner, which of course is Magneto, Maddox, Madrox, Mon, Maximoff, MacTaggert, and Moonstar.

    All right, so those are the list of names that it shows in that particular scene. Now, that particular section of the scene is less than want to say 10-15 seconds long. But that's a lot of information because there are Guthrie, two, which in the comics talks about Sam and Paige Guthrie. Sam is Cannonball, which has been in a lot of the movies as well going forward, but also was a big play in one of the spin offs of the X Men universe depictions in the comic books. Also Page, who was another one. Her mutant name, of course, was Husk. So that is another part of the comic books that they mentioned as far as the X Men.

    Now, Harada is the Silver Samurai. Now, if you've watched movies like the X Men series already, you'll know who he is. So the Silver Samurai actually is the nemesis in both Wolverine standalone movies. Not Origins, but the Wolverine movie, the standalone Wolverine movie. He goes against the Silver Samurai in human form before he became an actual mutant. So that was awesome.

    Cain is another weapon X variation in the comic books. You have Remy LeBeau. If you know anything about the comic books or seen a later X Men movie. Remy LeBeau is Gambit, and he played a very vital role in the X Men comic book universe because him and Rogue had a thing.

    [Joker]: All right. And then, of course, Eric is Magneto. Maddox is Madrox , one of the mainstays in the comic book universe, you have Madrox. So it's M-a-d-r-o-x. And with that one that's multi-man, you actually see him in a movie. Fun fact there. Check it out. Go back, watch the original X Men movies and figure out if you can see them.

    Mon is Karma in the comic book series. And then, of course, like I said, Maximoff, there's two of them. Who do we know who is Maximoff? Dun dun dun…Scarlet Witch? Yes, Scarlett Witch or Quicksilver are the Maximoff twins, and they are mentioned in the X Men universe. But of course, Scarlett Witch is a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe dealing with Captain America and all that. So again, X Men is Marvel, but they have two very distinct universes. Why they haven't merged yet, I don't know. Because they absolutely should. Okay, so the Maximoff twins.

    Then you have MacTaggert. So, fun thing about MacTaggert, I can't remember if it was the brother or the sister, because they both play vital roles in the comic book universe. So the brother, I believe, is Eric MacTaggert is Proteus, who is an Omega level Mind-bender, because he can manipulate time and space. Now, if you go back and listen to episode Ten, when we talked about the first X Men movie, I briefly went over the varying classifications of the X Men or not X Men, but the mutants as far as their powers go.

    And then, of course, you have Moonstar. So that's Danielle Moonstar, who started out as Psyche and then turned in or her name changed to Mirage. So that was fun seeing that list. I didn't even pick it out the second time I watched it until I saw Remy LeBeau, because Remy LeBeau being Gambit.

    All right. And then from there, the scene changes. She gets her information and they go into the strike on Professor X's little estate, the school. So during that, it's at night, of course, with his goons, Stryker’s, goons, I should say. You see Siren in there, she's a little girl and she yells, wakes everybody up. And during that process, of course, you again see a young Colossus, probably late teens-ish with him showing up in this form. He looks like he's late teens, but not a part of the X Men yet. So that's why I say late teens. He's not actually an active member of the X Men yet. He's still acting as a student, probably one of the older ones, and is helping protect everybody else. Also, in this version of Colossus, he's not so Russian, like Eastern European with his voice, he's more just, hey, I can help. So he's like American. And that was a little off putting when I first saw that because he's always been “Arnold Schwarzenegger-ed”, his voice when he spoke kind of like what you see in Deadpool.

    [Joker]: Anyhow. So we move forward towards the end of the raid, all the kids got out of the house at that point, but of course, they later get captured, or at least some of them got captured in the process. But the ones that left with Colossus got out. And then Logan, Bobby or Iceman, Rogue and Pyro are still left behind because, of course, the three teams, Bobby, Pyro or Iceman Pyro and Rogue are trying to help. And then Logan comes in, helps get them out. They turn the corner, getting ready to leave. And then Stryker’s voice. Logan stops. They have a moment and Logan remembers, partially, not completely, he just remembers his name. It's like. And then, of course, Ice Man freezes, puts up a wall between them and from there, they just leave.

    Well, once they get to the garage, they get in a car, which is funny enough, an R eight. I was like, why an R eight? Those cars sucks. But I guess in the early 2000s, that was the Hype car to have. Who knew, right? But they get in there, they're like, oh, that was Stryker. He remembers. He shows that he remembers. Rogue gives him back his Wolverine dog tag. And that's it really.

    So during the rest of the plot, Jean and Logan get them get night crawler. They try to go back, find out everything's. Everybody's gone. They get back in the air trying to find people. And by this point, it's the next day, Logan, Iceman, Rogue, and Pyro all go to Bobby's house, which his parents thought he was at a prep school. And it looks like there's some animosity between the brother, Bobby's brother and Bobby. Well, they're hanging out. They come out that they're mutants to his parents. And brother goes upstairs, calls the police.

    In the process, they found a communicator in the car. And by that time, during the day, you have some connection between Jean in the jet and Logan. And they're like, hey, you need to get here now. It's about to go down. Of course, cops show up. And when the cops show up, it's interesting because they're trying to leave with no harm. But as soon as they walk out the door, they're met by two armed offs or two officers, weapons drawn, one on the right, one on the left, male on the right, female on the left. And of course, Logan's got his claws out. He's like, hey, I'm not trying to start anything. And he puts them away when he puts them away, oh, my God. POW! Shot comes from the right knock Logan out for the first time that I think I've seen him get shot. Well, during this process, of course, they're trying to talk. The cops are trying to talk them down, to get on the ground. Of course, Ice Man and Rogue, they get down. Pyro doesn't get down. He clicks his zippo open, blows right cop off the porch, and then turns around and blows left cop off the porch to immediate threats. Then he goes and blows up all three. I think it was three cop cars in the yard. Rogue takes off her glove, grabs Pyro to suck his energy and his ability to manipulate the flames and puts out all the fires.

    As that happens, you have the jet landing. They all get in the jet. Logan, of course, wakes up after he pushes out the bullet from his head. And from there, they walk off. While Logan walking off last. The cop that shot him in the head is scorched in a sense, like soot blackened, has a gun drawn. Looks at him. Logan looks over like, yeah, okay, try me again. It got it back down. That was a funny moment for me.

    Now as the scene progresses on. Of course they're trying to find everybody. They've got everybody in the jet flying back. Of course, after Pyro's little shenanigans, the X Men jet is now being trailed by two fighter jets. Storm does her little tornado thing, gets rid of them, but needless to say, there's still Rockets after them. Rockets blow open the back of the jets. And Rogue because in her panic from the jets did not get the seatbelt or the harness strapped in. So she goes flying out the back, Nightcrawler then goes after *poof poof* they’re back. And now the jets in a downward spiral, uncontrollable. The back majestically closes back up and comes to a controlled stop. And as you see out the front, it's Magneto along with Mystique or in the woods. That's when they join forces.

    [Joker] That's where the title depicts the X Men United aspect, because in the original series, this is the first time that Magneto is actually willing to work with the X Men to end a common enemy, which is Stryker. Backstory on Stryker. Striker has a son who is a mutant, is a psychic, and that's a problem because he controls Xavier into controlling Cerebro into Xavier using the mock up Cerebro to kill all the mutants. Well in making that plan, they end up next scene, Mystique, disguised as Logan, infiltrates Stryker’s base. And then of course once she's in, she lets all the other ones in, which are Magneto, Logan, Storm and Jean. And from there, of course, you find out that when Professor X got taken from the prison, Scott, who is Cyclops, was also taken. Well now he ends up being there and under the drippy dropsies of his serum or Stryker serum. There’s a battle that ensues back and forth. This is also when you find out that Stryker’s assailant or associate is also a Weapon X.

    This version of the female Weapon X has nails that grow out to be claws, basically instead of actual claws coming out of her fists like the young Weapon X that we see later on where it's just two that come out, but her whole body is Adamantium as well. That's when Stryker tells Logan that he's not the only one. So that's the first hint for later movies.

    Now as things happen, of course Cyclops, being under the serum control, is trying to kill Rogue, oh not Rogue, kill Jean Grey. Cyclops, goodness, Mystique and Magneto. Well of course Jean Grey bites Cyclops, Cyclops has the serum wear off, and then they're talking again. Well in the process of their fighting, they crack the dam. And eventually as they try to escape with everybody, dam fills up with water or the base fills up with water and boom, it's gone.

    So what the Wiki says here is as the X Men flee the dam, this water engulfs it, killing Stryker, but the X-jet, is what they call it, loses all power and struggles to take flight as the floodwaters rush towards them. Jean sneaks off the jet and Telepathically wishes the team goodbye. So this is where we lose Jean, because I think it was weight, if I remember correctly. Plus she had to be off to watch it, kind of push it off. She holds back the water. Oh, that's right. She's holding back the water so they can escape and not only holding back the water, but also lifts the jet up so it can take off as the last scene that we see her in. She erupts in flames, becoming the Phoenix again, and then let's go and allows the flood to crash down on her, presumably killing her. So that's how that scene was left off. Like you see, the dark Phoenix come out of Jean Grey or the Phoenix come out of her, and then she's covered in water again.

    So the X Men. Then it cuts the X Men give the President Stryker’s files and Xavier warns him that humans and mutants must work together to build peace. And then it cuts again back at the school where Xavier, Cyclops and Logan remember Jean, her presumed loss of her life. Logan's upsets, but knows loss, whereas Cyclops, it was in love with her fiancée, engaged, whatever, and pretty broken up like that. And then it cuts to a final scene where it says “Meanwhile, a Phoenix like shape rises from the flooded Alkali Lake.” It cuts out, of course, talking or Storm's voice or Halle Berry is talking, saying a nice little pretty catchphrase. And yeah, that's the end of the movie.

    ow, fun fact about this movie too. This was the first movie that we saw the natural looking human-esque version of Raven in the X Men's cinematic universe. So that was cool. In this version, Stryker, Williams Striker is played by Brian Cox, so it was an older Stryker. Another fun fact about Nightcrawler in this timeline, Nightcrawler has never met Jean Grey or Storm or any of the other X Men, at least none that they don't hint to that at all during this lineage of the timeline. Kitty Pride is one of the X Men cameos or mutant cameos.

    Artie, which was the one I was talking to you about earlier, he shows up in this one. Jubilee, she shows up a human. Hank McCoy is seen in a short TV spurt for Siren. And let's see, here's what it says as far as Gambit's cameo was shot, but the footage was not used in the final cut, so there was supposed to be a Gambit cameo here since they mentioned his name. Girl is seen dressed in a Native American style jacket, as well as a blonde haired boy dressed in blue played by Blake Anderson. These were confirmed to be Moonstar and Douglas Ramsey. Interesting. Okay, hot Diggity dog. And the writers of course showed themselves in a section where it was a flashback to the surgeons. They played the surgeons during the Weapon X flashback.

    [Joker]: Oh, here's an interesting part. X Two originally premiered in London on April 24, 2003, and it wasn't released widely or to the rest of the world until May 2, 2003. That is crazy. Wow. It's over a week later, but the movie accumulated over 85.6 billion on the opening weekend worldwide. Overseas, it grossed another 69.2 million in the first five days. It surpassed Star Wars Episode II as the film with the highest opening weekend for a 20th Century Fox film. That's cool. For two weeks, it stayed in the number one spot before being displaced by Matrix Reloaded. That's crazy.

    Wow. And that summer, X-2, Matrix Reloaded Finding Nemo, Bruce Almighty and The Pirates of the Caribbean, The Curse of the Black Pearl, were the first five films to gross or to cross the 200 million Mark in the box office in the summer. Okay, so here we have again, Mental Floss. And it's 15 things you may not have known About X-2. So in the opening scenes, if you look closely at the 20th Century Fox logo at the beginning of the film as it fades to black, Brian Singer had the X and Fox fade out slower as a little tribute to X Men. And apparently there are a dozen other hidden X’s throughout the movie. The windows during the Museum scene, the trim over the door in the Oval Office, and a lot of the characters wardrobes. There you go. So when you sit there and watch the movie again, X-2, check that out. That's pretty dope.

    All right, so Number 2, the plot to 2 was loosely, yes. So this is coming from the comic book world here, boys and girls. So it was loosely based off of a graphic novel called God Loves Man Kills. So it was an X Men graphic novel, which featured Stryker as a villain and Magneto teaming up with the X Men and Striker's plot and killing all mutants by using an alternate or second hand version of Cerebro. While Singer, who is again, Brian Singer, the director, hired many of the new cast members specifically because of their previous work. Aaron Stafford, who plays Pyro, was hired because his role in the small indie film Tadpole. Brian Cox, who played Stryker in this film, got his part because Singer remembered him from a 1986 film “Manhunter”. Wow. Okay. Where the actor played the first incarnation of Hannah Lecter. That's right. I forgot about that. Alan Cummings, who played Nightcrawler, was in a musical cabaret.

    Let's see, number four. The film was primarily set in Vancouver, Film Studios largest film production facility outside of Los Angeles. But exteriors of Stryker’s Winery base was shot at Barrier Lake in the Canadian Rockies, the province of Alberta. Production had created more over 40 tons of snow to cover the area because the unusually warm weather melted the natural snow. Holy shit. 40 tons of artificial snow or manmade snow just to make it look right, because the weather fucked up. It was warmer weather.

    This is fun. So Cerebra was built in halves and the walls could be shifted around to suggest a spiral shape depending on the angle of the shot. That was cool. The Museum in the beginning of the film was actually a convention center in Vancouver. The crew outfitted the space with dinosaur bones rented from a real Museum and private collectors by the production designer. So those were real bones in a convention center. That's crazy.

    [Joker]: Okay, let's see. When Professor X stops time. The extras near the main actors were mimes. They used mimes. That is crazy. Okay, that actually blew my mind. That actually blew my mind there. And all the wide shots, Singer just had the extra stop in place. Okay, so on the close up shots, like there was one, I think when Rogue poked a guy and he just kind of like that. The exterior Professor Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters were shot at Hatley Castle on the grounds of the Royal Rhodes University in Victoria, British Columbia.

    Rebecca Romaine Stamos Mystique makeup took 5 hours to apply. I think we covered that one in episode ten when we were talking about some fun facts. Let's see, number twelve. X Men staples, The Danger Room, Sentinels and the characters of Beast and Archangel were supposed to be in the movie, but were cut for various reasons. Danger Room, Sentinels and Beast and Archangel were all supposed to be in that. The set for the Danger Room was actually built but scrapped because of budget concerns. Jubilee made it into the movie in a cameo, but her scene was cut for time. Oh damn, that's crazy. Jubilee was another main staple in the X Men universe in the comic series as well. That sucks that they cut her out of so much.

    Pyro’s lighter with the shark graphics is a homage to Jaws, Brian Singer's favorite movie. The director's production company is also called Bad Hat Hairy Productions. Yes, I remember that. Which is inspired by the line in Spielberg Shark movie. Also (number) 14, the perfect performance to perfect his performance as Nightcrawler coming work with movement coach Terry Notary, who had previously performed in Circus de Soleil. Since X Two, Notary has worked as a movement coach on Avatar, Adventures of 1010, and The Hobbit. That's cool. That's a nice little resume of movies. The frozen barrier that Ice Man creates between Wolverine and Stryker was real. An eight foot by eleven foot, 3500 pound block of ice was installed and exploded on set. That was real ice. Holy fuck, that is absolutely insane. So 8ft wide to cover the hallway and then 11ft fucking tall.

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    [Owls]: Every time we touch.

    [Joker]: But it's okay cause we got sound effects now.

    [Owls]: No, we don't. Do we? Really?

    [Rick Roll Music]

    [Owls]: What? I can't hear. Whatever you're doing,

    [Joker]: you'll just have to listen back to me.

    [Owls]: You're going to Rick roll me.

    [Joker laughing]

    [Owls]: Never going to give you up. Never going to let you down. Never going to run around and desert you.

    [Joker]: Holy crap. Today has been a day. Like a day day.

    [Owls]: Trust me, I know. Yesterday was a day. And then today just continued being a day.

    [Joker]: But I got a lot done, I mean a lot done.

    [Owls]: How much?

    [Joker]: So…

    [Owls]: Did you put all this stuff together for the baby

    [Joker]: Oh no, none of that.

    [Owls]: The way that you just said none of that.

    [Joker]: None of that.

    [Owls]: It's just absolute disgust.

    [Joker]: None of that. But I over prepared for this episode. I saw your notes. Wow.

    [Introduction to Madhouse Podcast music]

    [Joker]: So, for those of you watching us in Twitch, I have literally categorized every consideration of X Men movie there is. And yes, both Deadpool One and Two fall in line with that aspect.

    [Owls]: That's included, say you go to Disney Plus, it's included in the Lineage or however you do it, it's included there.

    [Joker]: So also, I have put it into categories, the best places to find every single movie in the X-Men Cinematic Universe. Disney Plus is the primary spot where you want to go for most of the X-Men movies that start out with X Men in the title.

    [Owls]: And the quality is going to be best.

    [Joker]: Yes. Outside of that, for Wolverine, HBO, and New Mutants, HBO Max.

    [Owls]: Did you watch them?

    [Joker]: I've watched the Wolverine originally. I haven't watched them all yet.

    [Owls]: Okay.

    [Joker]: But for both, Deadpool movies is primarily going to be on Hulu or Sling as far as subscription based. And then Logan is also on Hulu and Sling for the subscription side. And every single X-Men movie that we will talk about in this series is available on Amazon Prime for $4 a pop.

    [Owls]: So, when you mean the subscription side, you mean the additional add on to your already monthly or yearly Hulu subscription. You mean like the add on like live TV or the extra stars or whatever?

    [Joker]: What I'm saying is if you got a subscription to either Disney Plus, HBO Max, Hulu, Sling, you get to watch them for free. No extra charge.

    [Owls]: See, I feel like one of those. I did not. I had to figure out a different way to watch. I'm trying to remember which one.

    [Joker]: But according to everything I've looked at, Disney Plus, absolutely for sure. No questions asked. All the X-Men movies that are available, there are no additional charge. Period.

    [Owls]: I just went through all of them.

    [Joker]: And again, HBO Max, I've looked it up. The Wolverine, New Mutants are both there for no extra charge. I don't have Hulu anymore cause I just said fuck it and let it run out. Never had Sling either.

    [Owls]: I use Hulu all the time.

    [Joker]: Yeah, I don't use it anymore. If I need live updates to shit, I get on YouTube. YouTube got someone somewhere has got it showing if it's a live event.

    [Owls]: Got you.

    [Joker]: All right. But yeah. And then again, I did confirm on Amazon Prime, every single one of them is available for $4 a pop or 3.99 USD.

    [Owls]: Yep. Amazon has everything. Pretty much. You can just always link Amazon. Amazon has it. Whatever it is, Amazon has it.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So that's what I was. Oh, and also YouTube has almost all of them, except for Dark Phoenix and New Mutants are the only one that YouTube doesn't have. Google has every one of them. Apple TV has 90% of them. And if you happen to have a Vudu account,

    [Owls]: Voodoo?

    [Joker]: Vudu, V-u-D-u. That's also $3.99. So all the YouTube, Google, Apple TV and Vudu, Amazon are all going to be $3.99 for those.

    [Owls]: Pretty much. If you have like two to three streaming services…

    [Joker]: You should be able to find it.

    [Owls]: You should be able to find most, if not all.

    [Joker]: Yeah

    [Owls]: Because they're on the pretty big ones. I don't think Netflix has any of them, to be honest, because I think probably got bought out, especially when Disney came out with their own streaming service.

    [Joker]: Yeah

    [Owls]: A lot of them lost all these contracts.

    [Joker]: Yeah. But yeah. Anyway, also found some other things that will link later in the show notes for the podcast, will be a page that is the best order in which to watch, I. E. The chronological order and release order. Yes.

    [Owls]: There's so many orders. I know with Star Wars, there's, of course, release versus chronological. But then also I think Kira once sent me gosh, what is it called? The Chopped, some sort of other. What is it? Machete order. That's what it's called.

    [Joker]: But yeah. So, in the chat currently is going to be the link to the version I found as far as the article, for the chronological order, as far as date of the movie setting, not necessarily the multiverse or the time distorted versions…

    [Owls]: Yeah

    [Joker]: But we will be talking about chronological release. Excuse me, theatrical release. Not chronological

    [Owls]: Perfect. That makes it easy for me.

    [Joker]: At least for the first go around.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: So, the theatrical order of release is X-Men, the original one, the first one that came out in 2000,

    [Owls]: Just a straight up

    [Joker]: The whole cinematic series is only 22 years old.

    [Owls]: Only 22 years old. That's a big span of time.

    [Joker]: Oh, absolutely it is. All right. And then it was X-Men United in 2003, and I actually found out some interesting information about that release gap. So X Men, The Last Stand in 2006, X-Men Origins, The Wolverine in 2009, X Men First Class in 2011, the standalone The Wolverine in 2013, Days of Future, Past in ‘14, Deadpool One in ‘16, shortly followed by Apocalypse in ‘16, Logan, another standalone Wolverine movie in 2017, Deadpool Two in ‘18, Dark Phoenix in ‘19, and New Mutants in 2020.

    [Owls]: That one I didn't even know existed.

    [Joker]: Neither did I until you said something. I mean, I knew it existed, but I thought it was a TV show or a TV series, not a movie.

    [Owls]: Yeah. I think initially, like, maybe a year ago, I thought it was a TV show, but then I completely forgot about it. And then when I was going through the whole series, I was like, what is this? When I watched it, I was like, oh, interesting.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So, you want to go ahead and do the intro and we'll get into these shenanigans. That is the original.

    [Owls]: All right. Welcome to the Madhouse presents Group Therapy, where we talk about games, argue about our different viewpoints, dive into the strange or whatever we decide in the moment? I am Owls and this is Joker.

    [Joker]: Hello.

    [Owls]: And today we are talking about X Men.

    [Joker]: Dun Dun duuun

    [Sound effect]

    [Owls]: and then [vocal sounds]

    [Joker]: I mean, I hope you like that song, the intro, because you're the one that picked it.

    [Owls]: You gave me, like, five choices. That was actually the first one I listened to, and I liked it the most. Immediately, I was like, I like this one. And then I kept listening. I was like, Nah, Nah, no.

    [Joker]: Fair.

    [Owls]: Who's the best one?

    [Joker]: I have in my head when it comes to this particular movie? Because of course, I watched it today just to refresh my mind on the plot and storyline and everything that it came from.

    [Owls]: Yep.

    [Joker]: But also I found out some interesting information about this. How it came to be a live action rendition.

    [Owls]: Oooh, do tell?

    [Joker]: So, most people, minus Owls because she never watched them was…

    [Owls]: What do you mean?

    [Joker]: X Men got their popularity off of the animated series for millennials and younger generations from the X Men animated series. But of course, before that, it was based on comic books, which are there are hundreds of variations. I'm obviously exaggerating hundreds, but there are multiple variations of the X Men comics series, and they based the animated series off of one of the original styles with the green and yellow suits or like team suits, I guess you could say.

    [Owls]: [Agreement sound]

    [Joker]: But in that series of the animated series was a set of characters which included, of course, Professor Xavier, Cyclops, Jean Gray or Phoenix, Storm, Beast, Logan, or the Wolverine. And then, of course, the enemies, which were Mystique, Magneto, Sabretooth, Toad. And then, of course, later on in the animated series, you got Rogue, Gambit,

    [Owls]: Speed Demon.

    [Joker]: Yeah, he was the X men version of the flash.

    [Owls]: I know who you're talking about. It's completely out of my mind.

    [Joker]: I forgot his mutant name. His character name was

    [Owls]: Quicksilver. Is that your demo?

    [Joker]: Yes, it is. Quicksilver, Petro, Maximus or Maxima or whatever.

    [Owls]: I looked up quick guy X Men. Yeah, that's the response I got.

    [Joker]: By the way, that's the other connection to the actual Marvel universe is his character who is the brother to the Scarlet Witch.

    [Owls]: Interesting.

    [Joker]: There's the other part to that. So there's another connection to the Marvel universe. But anyway, so Quicksilver, let's see. Storm, Colossus. That was another enemy.

    [Owls]: Are you talking about in the movie or just in general?

    [Joker]: In general.

    [Owls]: Okay.

    [Joker]: But no, these are also characters in the different movies.

    [Owls]: Yeah, in the movies. Okay. I thought we were being very specific to the first movie.

    [Joker]: Not yet. We're leading up to it.

    [Owls]: Oh, my goodness.

    [Joker]: And then let's see. Sabretooth, Ice Man. Oh, Night Crawler. That was the other guy. Nightcrawler. All right.

    [Owls]: That's Andrew's favorite.

    [Joker]: Anyway, so leading up to prior to 2000, when they made the movie or released the movie, but making the movie, they found that the animated series, of course, was very popular with kids around their teens and even younger and adults who followed the comics prior to because the animated series stuck well with adults as well. That followed. So what they were like they were trying to say, you know what? Let's make a movie. Let's make an X Men movie because there was no real live action version of the X Men in TV series or a movie prior. So they're like, screw it, let's make one. And when they did, director Bryan Singer and the writer David Hayter, who were a part of the first set of the X Men movies, spoiler. They were like, you know what? What are we going to make this movie based around? Well, of course, in the animated series, Magneto and his band of goons are always out trying to destroy humanity. And the X Men with Professor X is trying to save it.

    [Owls]: Yes.

    [Joker]:  Well, they decided that they were going to base it on a few of the particular characters. Obviously, all the lead X Men minus they did not include Beast in the first movie

    [Owls]: [Agreement sound] Until the second, right?

    [Joker]: Correct, I believe, yes. But they were also doing the pre log to it to Wolverine or Logan joining the team because that was a big focus point in the animated series was him joining the team. Well, where they started out in the movie was based on, of course, the fight for mutant rights, which was in the halls of the Senate or Congress trying to fight for rights of mutants with Jean Grey and Professor X is in the crowd. And then we find out later that Magneto was in the crowd. So what they're doing is they're just kind of building up. But where they focus the plot was on one particular character that didn't last the entire series, funny enough, and was a very big hit in the animated series, which was Rogue.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Because she had a very specific set of powers that, sadly enough, was not displayed in the live action rendition of Rogue.

    [Owls]: Yeah. They made her more of a sad character,

    [Joker]: A passive character.

    [Owls]: Yeah, passive and kind of on the sadder side. They really highlighted the bad part of her powers.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Now for those that don't know, we're obviously going to kind of talk about the individual characters powers as well. But I want to kind of highlight her because she's the reason why they made the movie. The Rogue character was actually the whole purpose and supposed to be the star outside of, obviously, Patrick Stewart, who was already a well-known actor. Also, Ian McKellen, who played Magneto,

    [Owls]: Hugh Jackman.

    [Joker]: Hugh Jackman, he wasn't actually known at that time. He wasn't as well-known back in 2000.

    [Owls]: Interesting.

    [Joker]: But the major hitters, of course, outside of Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Hallie Berry. I can never say her name. Right. Famke Janssen.

    [Owls]: The one I don't even know.

    {Joker]: She's the one that played Jean Grey. She's actually a very well-known actress from the late nineties. So, prior to this, and then, of course, Rebecca Romijn Stamos, and then, of course, Anna Paquin, who played Rogue. She was a child in even younger child Star, who actually won an award for one of her previous gigs. But she later became the lead in a TV series that went ape-shit crazy over the

    [Owls]: True Blood.

    [Joker]: Yeah, True Blood, which was werewolves and vampire kick off before Twilight became a thing.

    [Owls]: That was a good one.

    [Joker]: But she played Rogue and the whole movie was based around Rogue. And people think, oh, no, she wasn't the star, actually. She was intended to be the star by the director. And the writer intentions

    [Owls]: Obviously change based off of kind of.

    [Joker]: And then when Hugh Jackman came around and of course, all the fandom built up around Wolverine…

    [Owls]: [Agreement sounds]

    [Joker]: He became the forefront of this franchise.

    [Owls]: I wonder why?

    [Joker]: Honestly, I don't know.

    [Owls]: I don’t know. Not like he's good to look at or anything.

    [Joker]: I know, right. But now, as far as the powers where I think Rogue lost, like as the coming movies happen, you can see through X-2, Last Stand, Last Stand and First Class, I think was the last one. No. Days of Future Past was the last one that Rogue was in. The Anna Paquin one Rogue. As you progress, you get fewer and fewer lines. But also, they don't highlight what they did in the comics nor the cartoon.

    [Owls]: Isn't she younger than she is in the comics?

    [Joker]: Yes, absolutely.

    [Owls]: She's supposed to actually be the same age as everybody else,

    [Joker]: Probably

    [Owls]: But she's like a high school student in the movie versus being the right age.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So in the animated series, she's still younger. She's one of the younger members of the X Men team, but she's not as young as she's depicted because they definitely threw off everything later on in the movies when they introduced Gambit, because if you follow the chronological order of everything, Gambit is probably 30 years her senior. But they were together in the animated series and the comic book. They were a power couple because Gambit was one of the only mutants that wasn't affected by her touch. So, in the cartoon and the animated series and the comic books, Rogue’s main power is the ability to draw the entity or the essence of anybody. Anything she touches with her flesh.

    [Owls]: [Agreement sounds]

    [Joker]: She draws in their life force. Well, when it comes to mutants, she absorbs their power. That's why they die as mutants versus humans. She just absorbs their life force…

    [Owls]: Which still isn't good.

    [Joker]: Well, no, still isn't good. But where that differs from this movie is that she doesn't absorb them forever. Where in the animated series and the comic books, she absorbed them forever because even in those two other realms when she was first introduced, she couldn't fly because in the cartoon later, when she became very popular, she could fly. She had blasting powers and everything else. Where that came from was Captain Marvel, because later on, Rogue is told by Captain Marvel to absorb her powers, effectively killing Captain Marvel. But that's where Rogue gets the ability to fly and go into outer space without protection because she has all of Captain Marvel's powers. But in the movie, it's a temporary absorption.

    [Owls]: Yeah, very different thing.

    [Joker]: Yeah. And that's I personally think, where the character in the movies kind of fell off.

    [Owls]: Yeah. It wasn't a substantial power. It was more of a hindrance than anything.

    [Joker]: Yeah, but yeah. So, we get met with the Rogue character within next act or scene of the movie where she's in the bedroom with her boyfriend, parents are downstairs, which is interesting, especially in the early 2000s, because that shit would have never happened.

    [Owls]: No, not highly unlikely with the..

    [Joker]: Especially with the door closed

    [Owls]: Because the door closed.

    [Joker]: We did have the door closed because the dad opened the door with her kind of behind it. But anyway, so she kisses the boyfriend or starts to lose his life force, goes into a coma, and then it cuts to her, I think, running away in the truck where she ends up in a town where she meets Logan for the first time. And this is our first scene with the Wolverine. Spoilers if you haven't actually listened or watched any part of X Men in this point in the timeline, Logan has no memory of his prior self except for his name.

    [Owls]: Yeah. And that's because of his dog tag, right?

    [Joker]: Yes. Well, in his real name, he knows he's the Wolverine because of the dog tag. But by this point, he's already either interacted with someone or I can't remember exactly how it happened, but he knows his actual name is Logan.

    [Owls]: Does he know it before he fights Sabretooth?

    [Joker]: For the first time? Yes, if I remember correctly. Now, another fun fact with Sabretooth, this was not actually their first fight, if we're going along with chronological order, but we'll get into that in a later movie. But it has to do with Logan losing his memory also, hence why there are multiple or two actors at play Sabretooth.

    [Owls]: Yeah, that turns it off a little bit.

    [Joker]: Yeah. But again, with another fun fact about the X Men movie and what I was mentioning earlier off the recording about the release gap of three years, because this came X Men One or say X-1, whatever you want to call it, came out in 2000. The next one, X-2, did not come out until 2003. And that was because they only planned on making one movie.

    [Owls]: So, they had to get everybody back on board.

    [Joker]: Get everybody back on board, figure out what the fuck they were going to do. I think that's one reason why X-2 kind of flopped initially.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Because it was fucking horrible. But yeah. So that was my three fun facts.

    [Owls]: Fun facts.

    [Joker]: The end of my notes as far as that. Now we can talk about shit regularly.

    [Owls]: Talk about shit.

    [Joker]: So where do you want to start? Because this is your topic that you originally just overtaking it right now.

    [Owls]: No, it's fine. I was just going to kind of be involved in the conversation, whatever you take the conversation to. I'm here kind of just everything about it, what we liked about it, what we didn't like about it. I feel like it's a good thing you have more insight on the comic aspect of it, because I have almost zero clue what is in the comics versus movies as well as I haven't even seen the animated ones.

    [Joker]: I might have to look for that one. All right, so the animated originally released on Fox, hence why the first few movies were a Fox release until it shifted. And of course, Marvel got bought out, hence why X Men moved production Studios and everything else but the different X Men in the original movie. So, we already said Rogue, Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto. But Cyclops, Jean Grey, or Phoenix is her mutant name. Storm? Yes.

    [Owls]: Storm.

    [Joker]: Toad, which is on the henchman side. Magneto side. Mystique or Raven. But I don’t think, there's only like a handful of times that the Raven name was used in this film. I think they stuck with Mystique for the majority of this one.

    [Owls]: Yeah. I don't think they ever actually called her anything…

    [Joker]: Other than Mystique.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I don't think Raven was introduced until later.

    [Joker]: Okay, let's see. Beast was not in this one. Bobby Storm or I think it was his last name, his character.

    [Owls]: I think it's Bobby Storm.

    [Joker]: Ice man. Ice man was in it. Fuck. What's the Flame dude's name?

    [Owls]: Flame dude.

    [Joker]: Yeah. In the X Men series, he's the Pyro. Thank you. Bobby Drake. Here we go. Bobby Drake and Pyro. Pyro was the kind of like the rivalry between Logan and Cyclops. That's Bobby Drake or Iceman and Pyro.

    [Owls]: That kind of makes sense. Ice versus Fire.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: Cyclops and Wolverine were a whole other level of arguments, I guess, because of their both interest in Jean Grey.

    [Joker]: Yes. It introduced us to the Professor Xavier School for Gifted Children, or youngsters as it was displayed in the movie.

    [Owls]: Was it youngsters?

    [Joker]: Yeah, it was youngsters in the movie or the first movie, but it was supposed to be gifted children.

    [Owls]: Do you know why they changed it?

    [Joker]: No, no idea.

    [Owls]: I wonder why. Why maybe not typing it's too loud. I just want to know. Children.

    [Joker]: Oh, that's another thing that we need. So looking at Twitch chat, one of our lovely viewers reminded me about the different levels of powers that they categorized mutants in. And Omega is considered a power level or output of different mutants.

    [Owls]: Omega?

    [Joker]: Yes. So, I'll look that up real quick. So starting off, what did you like about the entire movie? I mean, we can either go through, like, I don't know.

    [Owls]: I like the idea of them all having different powers. It wasn’t like, I guess eventually there was more of a front runner, but it was like a lot of different characters with different abilities was very interesting to me, at least for me, because I had no information before. It was extremely new to me, and I don't think there was anything like that at that time. Or it was just a big group of different mutants.

    [Joker]: [Agreement sound]

    [Owls]: It's similar to what I would say is like, My Hero Academia, which is an anime. So instead of mutant powers, they call them quirks.

    [Joker]: Okay.

    [Owls]: And they go to a school to become heroes. In this sense, I don't know if they don't necessarily go to school to become heroes. They just go to school to be with people like them and learn how to hone their powers and use them for good, I guess is really what it is. Kind of shaped the kids. I liked that concept, but it was just a bunch of different types of powers. It wasn't like one person had all the powers. It wasn't like one superhero saving the day. It was just this particular dilemma of the percentage of people having this power.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: So, I like that. I like the different powers and different things.

    [Joker]: Okay.

    [Owls]: I liked Rogue a lot initially, but she kind of just again fell off because they didn't really portray her properly. She's much cooler from what I hear in the comics.

    [Joker]: Oh, absolutely. She was actually one of where a lot of our generation got, I guess, affixiated on the cartoon or the animated style characters or depictions of, like, our heroes. And Rogue was one of them. Like, she was considered a sex symbol. And this, of course, one she's teenage years. So that kind of screwed up that.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: And of course, all the different, like, dialing back her abilities, especially what gave her the potential of becoming who she was in the animated series and in the comic books. Like, our chat is restating with her taking the power from Captain Marvel, like I said earlier, which made her such an iconic X Men and a staple in the team, was not given to her because it was a temporary theft. Even if she killed the mutant, she only temporarily had their abilities. Not forever.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Other than that, she was just kind of there. She just sucks life and powers out of people. There's nothing really that cool about her, unfortunately.

    [Joker]: Yeah. And it did give a semi understanding of how she got the white streak in her hair, which is actually way more elaborate labyrinth than it actually happened in this one.

    [Owls]: Elaborate.?

    [Joker]: Elaborate. Yes, elaborate.

    [Owls]: You were switching.

    [Joker]: I know.

    [Owls]: Combining elaborate and labyrinth.

    [Joker]: I know. My brain is all over the place right now.

    [Owls]: I got you. So in the comic books, how does she get that strip of white hair? Because in the movie, what happens is she's up in that Dome being the power is being sucked out of her or she's powering, something.

    [Joker]: I know there's more or better explained in the comic books because there were four different ways. I remember one particular where she was not necessarily forced, but she ended up killing a lover. And that stress level on her is what did it. But there were so many other ways. Let's see if I can find it real quick.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Because even within comic books, it's not like you have a book and it becomes a movie and there's like one version of the book and then one version of the movie. With comic books, they have so many different timelines, depictions, everything. So one character can have like 20 different backstories.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. Let's see. Let's go to the superhero height. That's all talking about. Bullshit movie. [Talking under his breath]

    [Owls]: What are you looking at?

    [Joker]: So, most of the top because, see, in the comic series, it's not actually a streak. It's like her entire bangs are white and she's got red.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I saw that. I was looking at the picture because you were telling me about Gambit and her. And I was like, I want to see what that looks like. And she definitely like it's like the front. The whole front.

    [Joker]: Oh, okay. So, a lot of the lore I'm looking at is when she was fighting Captain Marvel versus Captain Marvel, willingly giving up her powers, and that's where she got the ability to fly from, which was that's synonymous throughout all the different lore that talk about her getting powers from Captain Marvel. But it was saying that fight is what gave her the fight with Carol Danvers or Miss Marvel. Captain Marvel is where she ended up getting that stress level from absorbing all that power from her, that she got the white stripe or the white section of her hair.

    [Owls]: And it looks like in each one of them, it's like a different level of white. There's some that are like a little bit in the front. There's some huge chunks on the side, some that are bangs. Some of that almost look like Bride of Frankenstein.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: Like all sorts of different some are Brown, some are redheads.

    [Joker]: Yeah. But that is Rogue's key feature outside of her body.

    [Owls]: Yeah, standard is some sort of white part of her hair within the regular hair.

    [Joker]: Oh so, back to the different power levels, real quick to kind of help you understand or to let anybody really understand how strong a mutant in this universe is. So, you have four classifications of mutant powers.

    [Owls]: Okay.

    [Joker]: And from lowest to highest, or simple tricksters or small, I guess individual quarks to doomsday level events. If a mutant were to lose control kind of thing, like killing hundreds versus destroying entire universes kind of thing.

    [Owls]: Got you.

    [Joker]: All right, so you have Epsilon, which is the lowest classification where. Yeah, they can kill people if they lose control, but they're not going to destroy the entire universe kind of thing.

    [Owls]: [Agreement sounds]

    [Joker]: Right. Then you have Beta level, which could probably change the way the ground and surroundings look. Like they could destroy buildings.

    [Owls]: There could be some structural damage.

    [Joker]: There could be like, manipulation of the entire, like a nuclear bomb.

    [Owls]: Like a nuke.

    [Joker]: Yeah, like a nuclear bomb going off. All right, then you've got Alpha level, which could probably change how a whole continent looks if they really got out of control. All right. And then you have the Omega level, which is the warping space time, and the entire universe, if they lost control of their powers.

    [Owls]: So, like, Phoenix level?

    [Joker]: Surprisingly enough, there's a lot more in, like, Rogue level if after she absorbed Captain Marvel, Cyclops falls into that. Of course, Doomsday…

    [Owls]: Doomsday falls into what?

    [Joker]: The Omega level…

    [Owls]: Which is the top.

    [Joker]: The top.

    [Owls]: Like, destroy all the things…

    [Joker]: Destroy everything in existence.

    [Owls]: Got you. So, Cyclops is in there.

    [Joker]: Cyclops a version of him. Yes.

    [Owls]: So, based on probably comic version versus…

    [Joker]: Primarily, yes.

    [Owls]: This one, he's more landscape. Like let’s not have….

    [Joker]: Correct.

    [Owls]: Let's not have a mountain when he's upset.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So obviously, you see it in the first movie where he's obviously got a version of some type of laser beam that shoots out of his eyes, and it's very destructive. As you look through other movies, his power is quite easily one of the strongest forces that exits a mutant body that is very destructive. If he can't control it.

    [Owls]: We can't control it in the movie.

    [Joker]: Correct. He actually can't control it. The only way he's able to is a special visor that was made and then, of course, special glasses to kind of help him blend in a little bit.

    [Owls]: Or closing his eyes.

    [Joker]: Or closing his eyes. Yes, correct.

    [Owls]: Which, in theory, if you think about it, if they're that strong of lasers, are your eyelids really going to contain them?

    [Joker]: If I remember correctly, from one of the explanations of what that energy is, is just that it's energy or his ability to bend light.

    [Owls]: [Agreement sounds] Okay.

    [Joker]: It's a controlled force of bending the light that his eyeballs reflect back out.

    [Owls]: Okay. So it's not necessarily that he himself has lasers coming out of his eyes. It's that his eyes have the ability to manipulate the light that is.

    [Joker]: The energy.

    [Owls]: The energy coming at him.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: Light and energy that's coming at him.

    [Joker]: Correct. So, it's like a solar flare, but controlled out of his eyeballs.

    [Owls]: He's kind of like a mirror in a sense or like a magnifying glass.

    [Joker]: Yes.

    [Owls]: Catching the light.

    [Joker]: Yes. His eyeballs, his retinas turn into virtually a mirror and a magnifying glass.

    [Owls]: Got it. Okay.

    [Joker]: That is one of the primary lures to what that red beam is. So, it's basically a solar flare coming out of his eyeballs.

    [Owls]: Okay.

    [Joker]: So, it has that much destructive power, hence why things melt and just explode, rock and stuff.

    [Owls]: He's got a good power. I just feel like it's cool, but it's not like, oh, that's the power I would want.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: Yeah, it's destructive. It's useful when you need it. But other than that, it's like.

    [Joker]: Yeah. And the Jean Grey or the Phoenix that we see in X-1, of course, isn't considered an Omega level mutant classification because she doesn't even have, like, Phoenix hasn't come out of her yet.

    [Owls]: She doesn't have access at that point.

    [Joker]: Yes. I think as we move through the movies and get more towards Days of Future, Past and First Class, I think it was

    [Owls]: Even X-3, The Last Stand, or what is it called?

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah, The Last Stand, where it actually shows the Dark Phoenix for the first time. But I'm saying as far as because obviously with Origins and First Class is where the timeline shifts.

    [Owls]: Yeah. That throws me off every time.

    [Joker]: But I think they kind of explained why she's so drum and mundane in those later movies. And it kind of falls in line with the comic book and some flashbacks in the animated series where Professor X, who is, again, an Omega level classification because of his mind-altering abilities. Not only does he have telekinesis, he also has mind control and some other fun things that he can do with his brain that actually have not been…

    [Owls]: Highlighted.

    [Joker]: Highlighted in most of the movies.

    [Owls]: That's what it feels like with the movies. Like, the more I learn about the characters themselves or the mutants and the comic versions of them is that this is an extremely watered-down version of who they are in the comics and who they were originally intended to be.

    [Joker]: Correct. But Magneto same thing. Omega level character and Wolverine actually is as well in some aspects, especially if he were to if they were to have followed, like some of the comic book lore. Even Weapon X himself is an Omega level, but…

    [Owls]: In the comic books. We're talking comic books, not necessarily…

    [Joker]: Where they dumbed him down,

    [Owls]: Because in the movies, none of them are near, probably their potential in the comic books.

    [Joker]: The closest ones are Magneto. Jean Grey and Professor X are really the only three that show that level of power.

    [Owls]: Oh, yeah, definitely. Those three shows extreme power.

    [Joker]: All right, let's see. So Cyclops, we talked about him, Professor X, of course, telekinesis, mind bending and whatnot. And when we first meet him for the first time, he's in a wheelchair. That surprisingly enough, what threw me off, especially looking back, watching it again, today was he was using a hand control for the wheelchair?

    [Owls]: Yes.

    [Joker]: Which he never did in any of the other versions.

    [Owls]: Are you talking about like the little joystick type thing?

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: Did he…?

    [Joker]: In the comics, in the animated series, he never used a joystick. He always used his mind to control it.

    [Owls]: Interesting. Well, in the movies he has the power to enter people's minds and that kind of thing doesn't necessarily have the ability to alter any sort of like objects.

    [Joker]: So. Alright, yes. The telecoms…

    [Owls]: is that correct? Am I portraying?

    [Joker]: They have in this first movie and the one that we're highlighting tonight is correct. He did not show that ability as far as actual telekinesis or moving objects with his mind. He did not display that. It's more of mind altering, controlling people through their mind, and locating people from their thoughts and mind

    [Owls]: Reliant on another living object of some sort?

    [Joker]: Correct. Yeah. Some kind of organic object is where his power of telekinesis and everything is limited. He manipulates Sabretooth and Toad when they captured Jean Grey in the train station to talk through them too. And of course, obviously projecting his voice into Logan's head early on when and they first arrive at the Academy.

    [Owls]: Yes.

    [Joker]: Of course, Magneto is telekinetic as well, but it's not displayed here. His limitation is more towards just manipulating metals because he creates a what's it called magnetic field around and…

    [Owls]: Manipulates...

    [Joker]: manipulates he metal parts of things around him.

    [Owls]: He uses it like magnetic energy, which is how he can float.

    [Joker]: Correct. He uses the Earth's natural magnetic field to be able to float and or fly. But he does not do that from what I remember in this movie…

    [Owls]: …doesn't?

    [Joker]: …unless it was right there at the end. I don't remember him doing that during the first movie because he walked just about everywhere.

    [Owls]: They're all kind of jumbled because I watch them pretty…

    [Joker]: Oh yeah.

    [Owls]: …pretty quickly.

    [Joker]: But of course, like you're saying though, in later movies is where he or prequel movies is where he does use that ability quite often.

    [Owls]: Yeah. I mean, I would.

    [Joker]: Storm. Storm is another great character, not very high on the classification list because it's simple weather patterns. She can't necessarily control the weather that she creates, but she can create it.

    [Owls]: That doesn't make any sense. What?

    [Joker]: All right, so for instance, in the first movie when they're in the final scene of the movie, they were trying to get her to create a cyclone to lift Logan up so he could reach to the Lantern or the Torch of the Statue of Liberty and she's like, I can't control him. He'll just go flying off, I.E. She can create it and kind of do small movements to it. But as far as controlling someone within that storm set, she can't do that. She can't completely

    [Owls]: She can’t completely fine tune it. She can't be like, all right, this tornado is going to go right here. She can basically say there's going to be a tornado. That's it. I kind of want it over there.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So she couldn't sit there and move left, move right, move up, move down. That's not how it works for her in this. Now, the most control I think it's shown in this first movie is when she creates the lightning storm, and the lightning Bolt comes down and then goes through her and hits Sabretooth.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I think I remember that. That's the one I remember for sure.

    [Joker]: But as far as classification levels, she's kind of lower on the totem pole between Beta and Epsilon. So the two lower factions of that, though. Of course,

    [Owls]: Epsilon is like a low, low one though, right?

    [Joker]: It's like trickster level. Kind of like Gambit. Gambit would be with just manipulation of cards, small objects, stuff like that. Trickster level stuff.

    [Owls]: And by trickster you mean from like dead by Daylight for anybody? That's not. Is that what you mean?

    [Joker]: Yes. Kind of like if you're giving cult references or modern references. Yeah, kind of like the Trickster where he manipulates objects.

    [Owls]: I thought that's what you meant. Do you mean a different trickster?

    [Joker]: No, I mean that works. Actually, that wasn't what I intended, but yeah, that definitely works.

    [Owls]: Okay, I don't know what other tricks you're talking about, so I got kind of confused.

    [Joker]: Yeah, no, that's fine. Let's see who else. I'm trying to think of all the X Men now that were in this first one. Let me look.

    [Owls]: Sabretooth. They don't really do mystique.

    [Joker]: Okay. Yeah. So, Sabretooth is easy. Sabretooth is just similar to Logan or Wolverine because spoiler, you'll find out when we hit the Origin story. They're brothers.

    [Owls]: Yes.

    [Joker]: and extra bone density, bone strength, bone manipulation to grow claws, which Sabretooth claws aren't supposed to actually be bone because nails are actually a cartilage versus a bone. But the concept of it is the same where Wolverine has three bones that come out from his hand. So, their addition to his own skeletal structure.

    [Owls]: And they both from his knuckles, right?

    [Joker]: Well, between, yes.

    [Owls]: Between the knuckles and Saber tooth is more

    [Joker]: His fingernails.

    [Owls]: fingernails.

    [Joker]: But similar healing abilities, similar age. Both born in the 19, 18-19 hundreds, early 1800’s. As far as current main casts of characters, they are the two older oldest outside of the obvious mutants like Apocalypse and Doomsday, stuff like that. But they are the two of the oldest mutants in the franchise. But again, they're very similar to each other. As far as the TV renditions, let’s see, Shapeshifter, that is Epsilon level trickster style. Where anybody some lore says she has to make physical contact with the individual before she can shift into their essence or presence or whatever. But everything changes about her. Like it's at the molecular level. Voice box…

    [Owls]: completely changes her.

    [Joker]: Yeah, DNA shifts. So, like, if they were to do a blood draw, whoever she looks like, she could shift all of it.

    [Owls]: She literally clones them.

    [Joker]: Yes, she turns into a clone, basically. And they do not have to be dead. But in some of the lore, they are dead. She has to kill them to change into them. But the majority of the lore is just she has to touch them to be able to change into them.

    [Owls]: And in the movie, that is not the case, from what I can tell. I mean, they didn't really touch on that aspect of it.

    [Joker]: Correct.

    [Owls]: But from what I can tell, it didn't appear that she had to have contact with them.

    [Joker]: They never actually mentioned it in this one. But if you look at the kind of finer details, the first one I think she changes into was the assistant to the Senator. And then when the Senator asks where is he? Oh, he's been dead for days. She doesn't turn into the Senator until after she made contact with him on the plane or on the helicopter. And that's really the only two people I think she shifts into in this movie was those two people Senator, which was at the end of the movie, and then the assistant to the Senator.

    [Owls]: I'm trying to think. I guess that'd be hard to really portray without having a conversation about it. But you don't really want to do that with every single character that's introduced. You don't want to be like, hey, let's do a quick pause. What are your powers?

    [Joker]: If we did that, like analyzing each and every single one in depth, we would have to do an episode every day for a year.

    [Owls]: Yeah, easily.

    [Joker]: All right, so Mystique, Magneto, Toad is just Toad. Literally a long tongue, can leap quite high in comparison to what humans do. But that's really about it. That's his only real power is that his tongue is very elastic, kind of like Stretch Armstrong and can go great distances.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Doesn't at one point in the movie, one of the other characters, like grasp his tongue.

    [Joker]: I think so.

    [Owls]: I'm trying to remember who, was it Magneto? Was it mystique?

    [Joker]: Yeah, I think cause he was trying to do something and maybe they were getting annoyed at him.

    [Owls]: That would be pretty annoying. It reminds me of in Star Wars with a Jar Jar Binks.

    [Joker]: Oh, absolutely.

    [Owls]: Same kind of tongue catching thing. Like, stop, it was wrong with you.

    [Joker]: Let's see. Trying to look through.

    [Owls]: I'm trying to remember the premise of the movie. Like who was involved? And at what point? Let me see something. I probably should have re-watched this again.

    [Joker]: Well, I mean, I've got the Wiki that talks about it. So actually, the movie actually started out in 1944 talking about Eric, who is Magneto, his parents being entranced into Auschwitz, which is the concentration camp Polish occupation of the Nazi party. And so we know that Magneto is originally Polish from the 1940s. And after his parents are separated from him in this version, not killed, but just separated from him, and they are pushed into the camp. And Magneto or Eric is held back by Nazi guards in the camp is when he gets control or starts outraging for his parents, reaches out, and then the entrance gate is crumpled by his power. So that was the entrance to the movie. Then it moves to the Congress floor, where Jean Grey is talking to the Senate

    [Owls]: Registration Newton Registration Act or something.

    [Joker]: And then from there,

    [Owls]: It looks like Storm does the lightning to Toad, not Sabretooth.

    [Joker]: No, she did two different times. Because the one where she did it to Sabretooth was when he grabbed her by the throat on the floor of the train station. And I want to hear you scream or you owe me a scream or something like that. Oh, no, I want to hear you scream. When she; Toad took off Cyclops visor and he was looking up and blew open the Dome. And that's when she calls down the storm.

    [Owls]: Okay, there you go. I'm just going to remember all the things. Let's see, we're introduced to Cerebro, which is the Chamber in which Professor X uses to locate or see where all the mutants are in the world. Rogue and Bobby Drake or Ice Man fall in love or crush on each other. And then the plot was Senator Kelly, I think his name was. Senator Kelly was invoking a thing with all the world leaders to come to Ellis Island, which is the island of the Statue of Liberty for an anti-mutant rally kind of thing, where they're basically talking about. Not invoke or. Excuse me. They're talking about invoking the Registration Act of all mutants and criminalizing having powers, basically.

    [Owls]: Yes.

    [Joker]: So, Magneto sees that and it's like, oh, I can have all the world leaders in one spot. So that's why he went to the Statue of Liberty, put his little mutant changing device up and tried to change all the world leaders into mutants via radiation.

    [Owls]: Which is why Rogue was involved.

    [Joker]: Correct. To suck up Magneto's powers to operate it. And with his powers temporarily to operate it, she could then activate it, turning on radiation that would in his mind.

    [Owls]: Was going to kill her.

    [Joker]: Well, yeah, it was going to kill her, but he wouldn't have lost his life, but he would have also, in his mind, changed all these mutant haters into mutants themselves, not knowing that the levels of radiation would. Yes. Invoke the mutant gene to activate but would not be in a natural form. So therefore they would die.

    [Owls]: That's a lot.

    [Joker]: Yes, it is.

    [Owls]: And this is the first time they introduced Cerebro as well on this one.

    [Joker]: Yes. Cerebro is the Chamber. You also find out how they figure out to capture and hold Magneto was obviously anything metal has to not be available.

    [Owls]: It can't be around.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So the first prison that they show is a glass prison that's suspended by some. I'm sorry, not glass. Plastic. Plastic prison that is surrounding him and plastic floors, plastic everything.

    [Owls]: Plastic guns with the security guards.

    [Joker]: Yes.

    [Owls]: All of it.

    [Joker]: But that's actually not highlighted until later.

    [Owls]: No.

    [Joker]: No, the gun side of it is not necessarily highlighted. I think there's the one scene where the guard comes in to collect Xavier and wheel him out that you see

    [Owls]: It's very minimal at the very end of the movie where they show that.

    [Joker]: Yeah. It's at the very end, the very last scene where they're playing chess, where Xavier visited Eric or Cerebral Magneto in prison in this plastic cell, basically.

    [Owls]: In theory, though, just like a side note, I know he didn't do it in probably the first movie, but where he uses the magnetic force of Earth to gravitate. In theory. Couldn't he do something like that to get out of there?

    [Joker]: Oh, absolutely. I mean, again…

    [Owls]: So, the idea that he isn't able to do that is just, again, a watered-down version of his powers.

    [Joker]: Yeah. They definitely water down everybody's powers in this movie. Half of what most of them could do isn't even talked about, let alone displayed. For instance, Wolverine. He's lost arms before. And like it shows in the Deadpool movies, where Deadpool loses his arms, he regenerates it.

    [Owls]: Yes.

    [Joker]: But the thing is, post insertion of the metal onto a skeletal system, which is virtually indestructible. He would lose

    [Owls]: Adamantium.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Adamantium. Thank you. Logan would lose all the meat and muscle structure on his skeletal system would basically be a Terminator, but the skin would regenerate, the muscles, blood, everything. He continuously regenerates.

    [Owls]: That makes sense.

    [Joker]: There is literally only one person in the entire X Men universe that can officially kill Logan at this stage of life. And they never meet.

    [Owls]: Who?

    [Joker]: Deadpool.

    [Owls]: Oh, yeah. Makes sense.

    [Joker]: Now, granted, Magneto could actually rip him apart if he wanted.

    [Owls]: He really wanted to. Yeah, because he's made a metal, Magneto controls metal…

    [Joker]: but again, it wouldn't necessarily kill him.

    [Owls]: It would just suck for a very long time.

    [Joker]: Yup. Let's see. Got that. Scott Summers, that's Cyclops name. There we go. And according to the Wiki, I think at this point in the timeline, they are engaged. But in the movie, he actually says girlfriend, not fiancée or no, he says my girl. He doesn't even say girlfriend or fiancée. And neither does Jean Grey. That I remember.

    [Owls]: I don't remember. I don't remember them saying it like that.

    [Joker]: So in the scene where Jean Grey brings him to his room for the first time and he asked her, what can you control? Or she tells him her powers and he's like, well, what can you control? Can you read my mind? And she closes the closet door, and she actually starts to read his mind going back to when he became Weapon X. So, when he had the word the metal injected.

    [Owls]: Adamantium.

    [Joker]: Yeah, that stuff when he had the shit injected onto his skeletal system. But she's pulling those memories and then of course, he has night tears after that

    [Owls]: As a result.

    [Joker]: And he wakes up with his claws inside Rogue's shoulder or through her.

    [Owls]: No, it was in her stomach.

    [Joker]: No, it was in her shoulder.

    [Owls]: Was it?

    [Joker]: Yeah, it was through her shoulder. Through a lung, basically. And she reaches up, grabs him, and regenerates and puts him out for a few hours would look like. Oh, that's right. Okay, so the cameos of different mutants that showed up were Kitty Pryde, who walks through walls.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: That was in the scene where Logan goes into the class with Professor X teaching some of the kids. Jubilee is the little like she can do spark stuff, like manipulate matter and kind of create, like, bring molecules together to create sparks and explosions and stuff.

    [Owls]: I don't remember that

    [Joker]: She was in there. I think she was one of the ones in the class. A young Colossus apparently was in there as well. I don't remember where he was. Oh, he was the one when they were showing, when they were talking about the difference, when he did the monologue, and it was going through the different scenes up around the campus. Apparently, Colossus or the young Colossus was the one drawing picture. All right. And then, of course, Pyro…

    [Owls]: Trying to figure out. Okay, so Kitty Pride was done by Eleanor, Elliot Page.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: Got you. Okay.

    [Joker]: Originally.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I was trying to figure out.

    [Joker]: Yeah. But in the first movie, it was Sumela Kay. Yes.

    [Owls]: What?

    [Joker]: In the first movie, it was Sumela Kay. It wasn't Elliott Page or Ellen.

    [Owls]: Ellen.

    [Joker]: Yeah. She was the one that did in the later movies.

    [Owls]: I guess because it didn't really show. I think it was in the second movie.

    [Joker]: No, Elliot Page did not show up until first class whenever they went back in time and did all the younger versions of the characters.

    [Owls]: No. Third one, Last Stand.

    [Joker]: really thought it was first class. My bad. Okay. I was wrong.

    [Owls]: There's a part of the plot that's important.

    [Joker]: Yes. Okay. Now I remember. Yes, you are correct. I failed at that one.

    [Owls]: Failure.

    [Joker]: I know. Apparently, other cameos, fun fact for anybody who watches the animated series. George Buza, who was the voice in the animated series for Beast, made an appearance as the truck driver who dropped off Rogue at the bar.

    [Owls]: Truck driver?

    [Joker]: Yeah. So, when the scene where she was, like waking up from a commercial truck and dude opens the door and says, “we are here” the voice actor of the Beast in the animated series.

    [Owls]: Yup, I see it. There it is. Interesting. I would have never known that.

    [Joker]: I didn't either until just now. I was like, just now.

    [Owls]: You figured it out.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Reading the Wiki.

    [Owls]: There's more fun facts. Let me pull up the fun facts I found.

    [Joker]: Yes, please.

    [Owls]: We're doing that. This is just on the IMDb page. Fun facts. If it'll let me get to that point. So just a goof it says in early scenes, the filmmakers went to some effort to make side clubs appear taller than Wolverine. But about halfway through the film they just stopped and suddenly Wolverine appears considerably taller than Cyclops.

    [Joker]: Yes. I thought that was hilarious when I first noticed that way back when. Because in the series, the animated series, and all of the comic books, Cyclops is actually taller than Wolverine because Wolverine is only supposed to be like 5’8”, 5’9” and Cyclops is supposed to be like 6’2”.

    [Owls]: I'm going to have to watch it again just for that right there.

    [Joker]: Yeah, that was hilarious. What other fun facts do they have on that?

    [Owls]: Trivia. Hugh Jackman took ice cold showers every morning of filming in order to help get into character. This tradition started when jumping into the shower at 05:00 A.m. Before realizing there was no hot water. Shocked awake but not wanting to wake his sleeping wife. He gritted his teeth and bore it before realizing that this mindset wanting to scream and lash out at something but having to hold it in was the mentality that Wolverine is in constantly. He then made cold showers his Wolverine preparation.

    [Joker]: Yeah, I think there was one interview that he did that Hugh Jackman did. That's where he was talking about that's where he got that grunt from. Was like wanting to just like, fuck and just like [vocal noises]

    [Owls]: Can you imagine? Oh, my gosh. Getting into a cold shower and you're just like, I can't like wake anybody else for hours.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So I think that's where that came. I think it was right after Last Stand that he was talking because they asked him about that grunt that he always does. And another fun fact, the hey, bub. That is something he was doing when he was looking because he's Australian. I believe

    [Owls]: Hugh Jackson.

    [Joker]: Yeah. And he was trying to get into the Canadian mindset and the bub came from him. Like listening to Canadians talk and fuck around. It's like bub. That's where that came from. Yeah,

    [Owls]: Bub? That's funny. Let me see what else. For Mystique. It looks like to keep her look secret, she had to sit in an isolated windowless room when not required for shooting. So, she basically said that she was in a different movie than everybody else, so nobody knew what she looked like.

    [Joker]: Interesting.

    [Owls]: That's got to be awful to be in a movie with a bunch of different people but not able to really interact with anybody.

    [Joker]: Oh, another fun fact about Mystique. Her costume covers less than 10% of her body. And originally Jennifer Lawrence, who later played Mystique for the remainder of the movies, started out with a full bodysuit and there were very few scenes that she only did the pasties over her nipples versus like, the lower half was almost just like a skintight panty piece, whereas Stamos, she only had like a strip across her lips.

    [Owls] See, I'm finding on the IMDb that her makeup consisted of 110 custom design prosthesis which covered 60% of her body and took 9 hours to apply.

    [Joker]: But they were individual pieces with paint around them.

    [Owls]: She could not drink wine, use skin creams, nor fly the day before filming because it could have caused her body chemistry to change slightly, causing the prosthetics to fall off. So she was isolated from everybody as well as she could not drink or do anything fun.

    [Joker]: [Agreement sound]

    [Owls]: I don't want to sign up for that. She's actually just like a side note, she hosted where she was the host for a show called Skin Wars that is about makeup artists. Like body painting makeup artists. It is an amazing show.

    [Joker]: Oh, here's another fun fact for you. And hence why it was a mistake that Wolverine became the main character of the series because Hugh Jackman was a last-minute change. The original actor that was cast as Wolverine was Dougray Scott.

    [Owls]: Dougray Scott? Who is that? How's that spelled?

    [Joker]: Doug Ray. But one word. Scott.

    [Owls]: Oh, what is he in that I know?

    [Joker]: Mission Impossible 2 ran over. So what it says is actor Douglas Scott was cast as Wolverine but had to step down after another movie he was making. Mission Impossible 2 ran over schedule for a time, it looked like things could still be arranged to get Scott on the X-Men set, but then he hurt his shoulders, slowing production even more. The replacement actor was required with Jackman hired last minute. So, it was a mistake that Jackman was cast as Wolverine.

    [Owls]: On the flip side of that Magneto was offered the Gandalf role in Lord of the Rings that he had to say no to, but he really wanted to do it. So, they rearranged his filming so that he could be a part of

    [Joker]: Both films.

    [Owls]: Both films. So same thing. Like, what if he was not Gandalf?

    [Joker]: Yeah. And that's another reason why they went to the First Class movie after Last Stand instead of going straight to Days of Future Past

    [Owls]: Because of how big Lord of the Rings got.

    [Joker]: Yes.

    [Owls]: That makes sense.

    [Joker]: Plus, Lord of the Rings trilogy was all filmed intermingling each other. So that's why there's such that large gap between Last Stand and Days of Future Past when he was next in. Let's see.

    [Owls]: Okay, so upon what you said with the recasting, the reason his physique looks different is because of the late casting and he kept working out really hard whilst the shooting was being done.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: Oh, Hugh Jackman is actually 6’2”, which is what Cyclops

    [Joker]: Was supposed to be.

    [Owls]: Yeah, that makes sense. How crazy that he wasn't originally supposed to be Wolverine. He got cast last minute, and then he was like, I got to work out, and then he's got to do all these training and he's got to change his entire body. Everything.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: Like, all right, how high do you want me to jump?

    [Joker]: And then, of course, Hugh Jackman became synonymous with Wolverine, where he is the only character and actor to play one character. Every other character in the universe of X Men was played by at least two actors or actresses

    [Owls]: Because of the age gaps. But with Wolverine…

    [Joker]: Yep.

    [Owls]: He lives a long fucking time.

    [Joker]: Absolutely. The one thing that I hated about the entire franchise, the fucking uniform selection. Black leather. They chose black fucking leather for everybody.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Or black with hints of color in it with hints of yellow. That's not what the X-Men,

    [Owls]: This is not…

    [Joker]: Because the X Men's colors were gold and green.

    [Owls]: Gold and green?

    [Joker]: Yeah, it was like a yellow and green, but it was intended to be like a brighter gold and green. Each character, each X Men had a different pattern to their outfit, which distinguished them from another course.

    [Owls]: Most of them are golden blue. Are you looking now?

    [Joker]: Yeah, I see which one you're looking at. That was one of the last comic book renditions.

    [Owls]: I’m literally, I looked up X Men comic, and all of them pulled up pretty much the yellow and blue or yellow and black.

    [Joker]: Yeah. All right. Now I see what you're looking. Yellow, black and blue. Except for Storm, who was all white. And there was another one, Weapon X or Wolverine, who was red and yellow for the longest time, then went to Weapon X in the late 80s to all black. And then in the 90s, yellow and blue variations. Wait, I'm an idiot. Why was I saying green? I am such a fucking idiot.

    [Owls]: [laughing] I don’t know

    [Joker]: Which I was thinking of a comic book version that had the green in it, not the animated series. It had the blue, black and yellow. So I'm the idiot. My apologies.

    [Owls]: No, I am an idiot.

    [Joker]: No, I am the idiot.

    [Owls]: That's not what I remember.

    [Joker]: Because Rogue and some variations of Jean Grey had the green, but Rogue primarily had the yellow and green, whereas everybody else was either blue, black, and yellow with the red. I am going to move on.

    [Owls]: Going to move on.

    [Joker]: But that's when the later versions of the movie costumes had the yellow and black, primarily because the cartoon versions or the animated versions were a black with blue highlights to them. After a while, Rogue also had green outside of Jean Grey, but Rogue's primary colors were the green and yellow. There was one costume, I think, Jean Grey, as Phoenix had, but she also in the comics had a lot of yellow red to kind of match up with

    [Owls]: the idea of the Phoenix.

    [Joker]: Well, the Phoenix also to match up with Wolverine because of their love interest when she was psychologically, not Jean Grey, who was in love with Cyclops. But, yeah, the black leather in the movies just threw me off horribly because it was so un-classic.

    [Owls]: Yeah, it was like underwhelming is probably what it is, kind of there versus being like a statement.

    [Joker]: Oh, and then also Storm, outside of one of the later movies, not even having an all-white outfit and mystique not having an all-white outfit for some of her good side like when she was a part of the good team, she wore like this Egyptian style dress and thigh high boots that were all white. But she didn't do that either.

    [Owls]: No, she didn’t. Not that I remember.

    [Joker]: But yeah, that is the movie for sure.

    [Owls]: That’s a lot just in one movie.

    [Joker]: Yeah. And we didn't even take a break again.

    [Owls]: We'd just be talking.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Oh, Emma Frost. That's the other one. That's all white. It's another one. The little bit that she got; she didn't show up in her proper attire. I think the only one that was true to their other renditions of their characters costume was Gambit trench coat and everything. And of course, Professor X and Magneto.

    [Owls]: It's true. Yeah. The helmet and all that.

    [Joker]: Of course, it even changed with the movie’s stylization anyway.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Because different styles, different time, all that.

    [Joker]: Oh, man. Goodness gracious.

    [Owls]: You too? Oh, my God.

    [Joker]: Yeah. I think it's about time.

    [Owls]: It's closing time. I don't know the rest of lyrics.

    [Joker]: Neither do I love the song but don't know it.

    [Owls]: Yeah. I would probably belt it out if it was like on, but without the lyrics of the song, I couldn't tell you. Couldn't remember it.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So this is our first episode where we talked about the theatrical release which we talked about the first movie released in 2000 of the X Men cinematic universe. We covered quite a bit between the featured mutants and their powers. We mentioned the mutant classes, the four mutant classes which are Epsilon Beta Alpha and Omega

    [Owls]: Omega.

    [Joker]: and some of them where they were intended to be placed versus where they showed or how much of their power, they showed during the first movie. Some fun facts if you missed it earlier on. The original X Men movie was only meant to be the only release, until of course popularity took over. Hugh Jackman was not originally intended to be the forefront of the franchise, nor was he intended to be Wolverine in general. He was a last-minute choice. Rogue was originally supposed to be and why the movie was made in the first place. See, what else do we talk about?

    [Owls]: A lot.

    [Joker]: So much.

    [Owls]: So much for sure.

    [Joker]: Yeah. If you're listening to the podcast on the audio side only, we will include a quick list or links to the Wiki page that I looked at. I will have Owls send me what she was looking at as far as reference material. And then also I'm going to link to a page from Pocket Lint who has a list of the chronological and theatrical orders of as far as the chronological is according to their best guess. But we will be continuing this in the theatrical release. And then later on after we finished all the movies, we'll kind of talk about how the chronological order would have been different if certain things would have stuck. But tomorrow or not tomorrow, but next episode that we will be doing will be on X-2, X-Men United, released in 2003. Spoilers for anybody that are not on the Twitch channel. You might want to, because like I was saying, we are separating, still recording live, but maybe not necessarily on Wednesday's interview episodes where we will be talking to different content creators, streamers, or community members about just random shit. The first one that out of our semi big content creators, who I was mentioning last time when we were talking about what the future holds for us here on this lovely podcast is IAmBPala. He agreed to sit down with me and do an interview where we talk to him and see what he's got going on, who he is and what he does, who is his Daddy and what does he do?

    [Owls]: What does he do? But we'll be talking to him, still working out the fine details if nothing else. On Wednesday we'll do it just chatting and talk to the community as a whole, see how everybody's doing kind of bullshit for about an hour or so and keep up the numbers. But once I have a solid date, I will make sure I put it on the Madhouse or the podcast Twitter page, which is MHP Group Therapy, and I'll let you know when that live recording is going to happen for that interview. If it's too far out, we'll work on scheduling another one. If Owls can come up with one, we'll give her the reins and let her run the show for a day without me. But yeah. So get on it. Try to find somebody.

    [Owls]: Okay.

    [Joker]: So where can everybody find you as far as your socials?

    [Owls]: You can find me at Twitch.Tv/owlsareahoot92. Same thing for Tik Tok Owlsareahoot92 and Instagram. I try to update when I can, trying to do a little bit more. Other than that, that's really it. You can find me here.

    [Joker]: [Whisper] Get a Twitter. [Normal voice] It's an amazing platform. Surprisingly enough, nowadays

    [Owls]: I have so many other things that I'm doing. Use TikTok more. How about that?

    [Joker]: Yeah, I do, too.

    [Owls]: Start doing videos.

    [Joker]: I do.

    [Owls]: I'll come at you about that.

    [Joker]: Please do. Actually, maybe that'll fucking get my ass motivated to start messing with these clips that I've actually been saving.

    [Owls]: You have so many clips. It's so easy. Okay.

    [Joker]: And those of you watching on Twitch or listening to the podcast in Audio Land, please come check us out. Twitch.Tv/theMadhousepodcast down below, in the about section or under the about tab, there are panels and the very first panel is Madhouse podcast suggestions. If you open it up and those of you watching will be able to see this, it opens up to a Google form that allows you to type in, hey, how are we doing? Let us know how we're doing, especially for those on Twitch, that there's no real review except coming into chat, but let us know that way. How we're doing if you're listening to us on Spotify or some other audio platform that doesn't necessarily have a review section where you can add reviews, let us know there on that form. Hey, how are we doing? Also, if you have suggestions for future episodes like particular topics you want us to talk about, there's a spot for that also.

    [Owls]: Including people you want us to interview

    [Joker]: And people you want us to interview

    [Owls]: Including yourself?

    [Joker]: Including yourself? Yes, please do a link to the content, yours, or theirs, whoever you suggest as far as an interview. Next, they're handle, gamer tag, whatever and links to their content platform. Whether it be YouTube, Twitch. Tiktok, it doesn't matter. But put all that in there, it would help out this channel far more than what we're trying to do, like stumble along trying to figure out ideas here, but it'll come up and it'll show exactly how many responses we have and separate them all so we can definitely keep an eye on that. But if you are listening to us on platforms, do all the things there. Eventually I'm going to add exclusive subscription base through red circle where you can go through kind of like you do on Twitch and subscribe to us recurring payments and it comes with exclusives like we host a movie night where we do like what is it,

    [Owls]: Mystery science theater.

    [Joker]: Yeah, mystery science theater where we're sitting here watching a movie. You watch it with us. If we find a funny part, we sit there and be the rude and obnoxious one saying how stupid or how funny or how cool that part of the movie or show was. So that'll be one of them. Also, any new merch that comes out which I still have yet to design any further podcast, let alone new stuff from my own shit. But you will have exclusive rights to get that stuff first. Also when we start doing giveaways, guess what, you will automatically have an entry into those giveaways depending on the tier level in which you reoccur subscribe. Also the ones in red circle will be priced slightly higher than what Twitch asks for because you will get the equivalent to that here on Twitch. If you are one of our Twitch viewers and you come in, you hang out, so you'll have access to all the emotions that any Twitch subscriber has.

    [Owls]: All the things

    [Joker]: [Whisper] All the things

    [Owls]: What he said.

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    [Owls]: That's if you want. I took a drink of my Dunkin’s and it fucking splashed onto my glasses.

    [Joker]: Oh, is that why you were struggling with them?

    [Owls]: I was like, what the fuck? Of course, I would take a fucking drink in there.

    [Intro to Podcast Music]

    [Joker]: She had a lot of spews in her face.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Should be used to it by now.

    [Joker]: Oh Okay. Should be used to it by now, she says. By the way, what do you think about our new background?

    [Owls]: Oh, it's like a brick wall. I like it.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: And it has the name on the top. I like it.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Eventually I'll change some other things, but until then, this is what we got.

    [Owls]: I like it. It's noise. Cool.

    [Joker]: I'm glad you likes. I mean, do we really need to do the intro? Because there's really no intro except for music for this one, I would think. Right?

    [Owls]: That's how you want to do it?

    [Joker]: I don't know. That's the thing.

    [Owls]: Intro.

    [Joker]: All right, fuck it. Good enough. Good as time as any. Take it away. Owls.

    [Owls]: You want to do the whole thing like I normally do?

    [Joker}: Yeah sure, why not? Fuck it.

    [Owls]: All right. Welcome to the Madhouse Presents Group Therapy, where we talk about games, argue about our different viewpoints, dive into the strange or whatever we decide in the moment. I am Owls and this is Joker

    [Joker]: Hello.

    [Owls]: And today we're going to discuss some upcoming changes.

    [Intro to Podcast Music]

    [Joker]: As far as what we got going on for the future. One of the big things is we're going to be going to less weekly structured episodes. What we were kind of discussing was going into the interview realm a little bit, but instead of doing it every week, we'll do an interview roughly every other week with small streamers or not so famous streamers. And maybe, hell, if one day we get lucky, we could probably do a large streamer.

    [Owls]: And we could also interview them.

    [Joker]: Yes. And interview them.

    [Joker]: Well yeah so, talking to other streamers, content creators and seeing what they do, what they wish they would have done or.

    [Owls]: Hey, whatever we want to talk about.

    [Joker]: Whatever the fuck we want to talk about, get to know them so everybody listening anywhere that you're listening, whether it be audio side only or on the live recording here on Twitch.tv/theMadhousepodcast. Let us know content creators’, streamers, YouTubers, YouTube streamers, whatever.

    [Owls]: Or put yourself up.

    [Joker]: Yeah or put yourself up. You can do it one of two ways. In the Discord, if you're a part of the Madhouse Discord, you can go to reply to the stream. It is or should be available, reply to the Cast.

    [Owls]: I forgot I named it so cheesily.

    [Joker]: Reply to the Cast under the Group Therapy podcast section. Let us know who you want myself or Owls to interview and that will be done every other week. So, if we did start next week, then we would skip a week where probably two Wednesdays from now is when we'll probably start the X Men series or X Men Universe series where we sit and talk about every X Men movie.

    [Owls]: Should we go now?

    [Joker]: Here's the question. Should we go in line of movie release, or should we go timeline wise?

    [Owls]: I feel like...

    [Joker]: Because X Men Universe timeline is really fucked up.

    [Owls]: It's so fucked up. I'm literally talking about this today because there are so many fucking loopholes in this thing. I feel like the only way to do it is in release because then we can talk about those loopholes.

    [Joker]: Yeah, because I was going to say there's more timeline deviance than there is in Marvel.

    [Owls]: It's ridiculous. Like things don't make sense. And I'm just like, wait, then if this is happening before then, how did we get to that? Okay, we'll go through it. But there's a lot of things. Like, I was like, there's no way. What? That doesn't make any sense based on the first ones they released, which are the present tense, I guess. I don't know.

    [Joker]: [agreement sound]

    [Owls]: So, I feel like release orders is probably best, but then maybe we can kind of touch on like, if they were to have done it timeline wise, what it would have looked like, but there's so many plot holes that wouldn't have made sense.

     [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: It's almost like they released them and then said, yeah, fuck the original movies. We don't have to go by what happened at the end.

    [Joker]: Oooh, I got an idea. Why don't we go through the release order first…?

    [Owls]: [agreement sound]

    [Joker]: And then after we've done all of that, we can go back and do another

    [Owls]: Poke at the plot holes.

    [Joker]: Poke at the timeline side of it and see what could have changed from the timeline side.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Why it's so different.

    [Joker]: We're definitely going to need a note taker for this. Holy fuck. Because this is going to be ridiculous.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I'm here for it, though. I'm telling you, X Men is my jam. Love it

    [Joker]: All right, so that's one thing that's going to happen. Throughout from next week on, I'm hoping I'll be able to find someone, if not, Madhouse reach out. We'll see who. Because I have one person in mind that I would like to prod their mind and…

    [Owls]: and I have one for you as well.

    [Joker]: IAmBPala.

    [Owls]: Okay. Yeah.

    [Joker]: He's one that has actually rated me as well, and he's excited to see me, so I'm excited to hang out and

    [Owls]: [agreement sound]

    [Joker]: Pick his brain because he is primarily a YouTube content creator. He got a very successful channel there. Also a not so big Twitch streamer. I don't want to discredit the man because he's got almost 5000 followers on Twitch and he averages from what since I've been part of his Twitch community from following after the raid and everything, he's definitely averaged or double digits for sure. So there's that.

    [Owls]: I've got a couple that I could reach out to that are partner as well, possibly.

    [Joker]: Okay, speaking of IAmBPala, it's his birthday today, so IAmBPala.

    [Owls]: Special shout out to you. If you're here, let me know and I'll sing to you.

    [Joker]: He is not. He's actually at dinner. It looks like birthday party.

    [Owls]: If he shows up for whatever reason, I will stop everything I'm doing and I will sing obnoxiously loud.

     [Joker]: Fuck yeah.

    [Owls]: I've got a couple of people that we should look into for sure.

    [Joker]: Awesome sauce

    [Owls]: And then even if we don't do it. So a good option is not necessarily interviewing other people. But if people have questions, they want to ask us about our lives in general. If we get enough questions, we could use that as an interview for each other. Like one week, I could interview you on your life and vice versa.

    [Joker]: Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. That does sound good. So, yeah, the interview section or part of it probably will list as a different thing on the podcast and here on Twitch. It won't be in the linear. So, episode ten, official episode ten will be the first episode that we talk about The X Men series.

    [Owls]: Yeah, definitely. We could do a commonly asked questions episode. By commonly asked, what does that mean, though?

    [Joker]: We got to get asked questions commonly. That's the other part. No one is interacting, though.

    [Owls]: Well, the thing, it's not necessarily the interaction, but what is commonly asked questions? Like how are you?

    [Joker]: How are you? Who is your Daddy and what does he do?

    [Owls]: What does he do?

    [Joker]: Okay, well, my Daddy's dead and he is probably, I don't know, probably bone by now, maybe marrow at this point. Who knows? I mean, it depends on the ground worms.

    [Owls]: Oh, my God, you get so dark with that. Holy shit. Mine. I just don't talk too much, and I have no idea what he does.

    [Joker]: Okay, so revisiting our who are we kind of episode when we do that…

    [Owls]: Kind of, but like, less into the gaming aspect, but more just like our lives. Just who we are. Why are we the way that we are?

    [Joker]: Yeah

    [Owls]: Or what's my favorite color? Why is it my favorite color? What's my favorite animal? Things like that. Pets.

    [Joker]: Yes.

    [Owls]: It could be just who we are.

    [Joker]: Yeah, like I said, that's why I created the Twitter for the channel, so that we can have that aspect. Because I do know a lot of people. There is an email, actually. So, I will make even a Google form and put that as a banner down below a link to that as far as: “hey, what are your questions for us” or in general and have that as a banner down below a link to that form and it will email directly to Madhouse@nlmp.org. Yes, there's a Twitter. It is Twitter MHPGroup therapy. It does exist. If you look in the about section below, there is a link to it, I believe. No, there's not. Holy fuck. I did not put a link to that. Son of a slut.

    [Owls]: Son of a slut. Wow.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Well, fuck me. All right, well, I'll work on that real quick since the next real major announcement needs to come from Owls anyway.

    [Owls]: So kind of what we discussed recently is my involvement. So I'm having a good time mostly. Most of the time.

    [Joker]: Most of the time.

    [Owls]: Most of the time when I'm not stressed out, I definitely have a lot of stress personally in my life and in a way to alleviate I may not be as present every week. So what we've kind of discussed is maybe switching me to an every other week kind of thing where I'm not there 100% of the time. It gives me more time to kind of decompress, to think about the next topic, to focus on giving it my all. So I don't want to go away completely because I do want to be a part of this. And Jokers expressed that he would like me to be a part of this. Yeah, he doesn't want to. So we definitely discussed just lowering the amount that I'm doing just to alleviate some of the pressure that I am experiencing, that I wanted to go ahead and step back from being 100% of the time and I'll still be here probably in the background doing more of the admin stuff on the weeks that I'm not actually on camera. If I feel like I want to be a part of more episodes, of course I will step in. But at this point I think that we've discussed me being one week on, one week off.

    [Joker]: Yeah. And that's where that decision came from.

    [Owls]: Griff just sent me the timeline. I'll have to look at it. I just finished watching Dark Phoenix, so I'm in the middle of watching New Mutants.

    [Joker]: Fuck, I got to watch that one too. Son of a bitch. I forgot about that.

    [Owls]: You have some more time. You're fine. So, we have more time for that.

    [Joker]: Because that's towards the end anyway.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: That's after all the movies.

    [Owls]: Yeah. So, I'm in the middle of New Mutants, but that honestly, it's kind of like its own movie by itself because I don't think any of the other.

    [Joker]: Wait, it's a movie?

    [Owls]: Yeah

    [Joker]: I thought it was like a TV show when I first looked at it.

    [Owls]: No, it does kind of like the way that they did the poster. It does kind of look like a TV show versus a movie. In 2020, I can't believe it came out in 2020 and I don't even remember it.

    [Joker]: Wow, it's been two years. Holy hell.

    [Owls]: That's why. Okay, so I'm just looking it up in general and it just was The New Mutants a flop. It's getting a second shot at life on streaming. So, it didn't do well, probably because it was in the middle of a pandemic.

    [Joker]: So yeah, now we've got that also with the podcast stuff. I'm going to redo the art as well, to be less centered on myself and Owl’s logos, but more on the Group Therapy aspect of the podcast where if we have an interviewee, it will show logo of them, if they have one. And whatever topic we typically or portion of the topic we talk about will be included in the imagery as well. So if you look at our current logo, it says Mad House presents Group Therapy with the Super 55 Shore Microphone and mine and Owl's logos, that will go away for the coming episodes that are posted on Spotify, iTunes or Apple podcast and all that. So that imagery, as far as the podcast imagery will change from week to week depending on what our topic is or who we're interviewing.

    [Owls]: What are you talking about?

    [Joker]: So instead of it just staying stationary like it has for these nine episodes where it's Mad House presents Group Therapy with the Super 55 Microphone and then our logos on it, everything underneath the text will go away and it will change to who we're interviewing. If they have a logo or if the X Men topic, it'll be like the title of the movie or some shit.

    [Owls]: All right.

    [Joker]: So, it'll change from the logo. Well, not the logo, but the imagery for the podcast will change week to week. Got you. So that's another change there. Let's see, what else did I type to you? Fuck. I got to look at shit now.

    [Owls]: Where did you type it to me? We've got messages on Facebook and Discord. It's hard to remember where they came from.

    [Joker]: You're right. It is. And then Griffith sent me as well. The poster board for the timeline.

    [Owls]: I saw that.

    [Joker]: Oh, hold on. I got to look at this now. Let's look at this deep. See, I don't see how. Now, that doesn't seem right to me as far as deviations, because Days of Futures Past was because they fucked up the timeline in first class.

    [Owls]: For real? Yeah. Fantastic Four. You include those in there?

    [Joker]: No, this is a premade. This is made by Raymond Lowe.

    [Owls]: But I would not include the top four that's on here. The Daredevil, Electra, Fantastic Four. I don't include those in the X Men universe. Are they in the same universe?

    [Joker]: Technically, yes.

    [Owls]: But they never intermingle. Is that correct?

    [Joker]: To my knowledge, yes.

    [Owls]: When I look up X Men movies in order, those are not in there at all.

    [Joker]: This is what's funny is, I understand why they did this, because Daredevil, Electra and the Fantastic Four are the bridge between the X Men side of Marvel and the Avengers side of Marvel. They're the bridge outside of Deadpool. Deadpool, of course. Honestly, should have been integrated into this.

    [Owls]: Oh, Deadpool's. And so I sent you the release order of all the X Men movies, and it doesn't include those. But it does include Deadpool.

    [Joker]: Yeah, because Deadpool absolutely is a part of that in both movies. There's references back to the X Men series.

    [Owls]: Yes, definitely.

    [Joker]: So this is the one you sent is the one you want to go off of as far as the release?

    [Owls]: I mean, that's what I just watched recently.

    [Joker]: Yes. Okay. And then Deadpool 3 is coming out.

    [Owls]: Yes, they did announce that. When is that Deadpool 3?

    [Joker]: I think 2024, if I remember correctly, because it seems like New Mutants just came out.

    [Owls]: Shit. They're going to have Xavier from the younger version, Xavier in it.

    [Joker]: Oh, really?

    [Owls]: It has Ryan Reynolds, Josh Berlin, and James McAvoy. James McAvoy is Xavier.

    [Joker]: Yeah, the young Xavier. You got to think Patrick Stewart is fucking 80 something years old right now.

    [Owls]: Josh Brolin, who is he going to play? Cyclops. Is that who he was?

    [Joker]: Yeah, in Deadpool 2.

    [Owls]: Thanos?

    [Joker]: Yeah, he was the embodiment of Thanos, but no, he was in Deadpool 2 as Cyclops or not Cyclops. Cable. Yeah, that's what I meant to say. Sorry. I fucked up for everybody listening.

    [Owls]: Oh, my goodness.

    [Joker]: I fucked up. Okay. My bad. My bad.

    [Owls]: Yeah, your bad.

    [Joker]: Cable.

    [Owls]: Yes, you're fine. I would have no idea unless I was looking at it right now.

    [Joker]: Honestly. Yeah. Nerd card revoked.

    [Owls]: Honestly, though, Cable, give it to me, Joker.

    [Joker]: See, here's the problem though is, Cable really, he had his own comic book series, but he was separated from the X Men universe after his initial encounter with them and Deadpool. Because Deadpool is the true bridge between all of Marvel. Literally all of Marvel.

    [Owls]: Yeah, because he's within all of it.

    [Joker]: He's got a man crush on Wolverine and a Bromance with Spider Man, for God's sake.

    [Owls]: I don't remember the Spiderman thing.

    [Joker]: There's a whole comic collection of Spider comic books.

    [Owls]: Oh, Spider comic books.

    [Joker]: Yeah, Spider comic books.

    [Owls]: Okay. That's where I'm not going to have any expertise in the comic aspect of this. I've got zero knowledge of that.

    [Joker]: We cannot integrate that storyline or those storylines into this because

    [Owls]: then it just opens that timeline

    [Joker]: It just open that timeline that Griff sent will be four times as large.

    [Owls]: Yeah. I mean, like, we would have to if we start opening it up to, say, Fantastic Four, then we've just got to bridge over to Marvel, which is a whole nother shit show,

    [Joker]: Because in the comic book sections, there are just four full timelines of nothing but X Men characters to include Cable, Cyclops, Wolverine, Xavier and Gambit.

    [Owls]: I mean, how many different types of Spiderman are there? Just that one character has

    [Joker]: like the Spiderverse in general,

    [Owls]: extremely variations. Yeah. That's a whole nother thing. It's just so much.

    [Joker]: See, that's why Daredevil, Electra and then both Fantastic Fours are included because Xmen was produced by Fox at one point.

    [Owls]: Yeah, but like, do they actually integrate at any point? Are the characters in both of them?

    [Joker]: Silver Surfer and the Thing do a mash up in the comic realm with.

    [Owls]: In the comic realm. But as far as, like, the movies,

    [Joker]: Nowhere in the movies.

    [Owls]: In my perspective, they're different because different movie realms. Yes. In comics, unless they actually make a movie where it does bridge that gap, I'm thinking just movie realm. What are connected.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So right now with the cinematic movies, the only connections really is Deadpool to X Men and Marvel and Daredevil to Spiderman because of a cameo in the latest Spiderman, which everybody seen it's already in trailer. So, there's no spoilers there.

    [Owls]: What do you mean? Spiderman with

    [Joker]: Daredevil?

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: You didn't see that trailer.

    [Owls]: I've seen the movie.

    [Joker]: Okay. All right, sorry. Spoiler alert.

    [Owls]: Spoiler alert.

    [Joker]: After Peter Parker's outed, right? He's sitting down with Aunt May and

    [Owls]: Okay, I got it.

    [Joker]: The lawyer.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I got it now. But that's a

    [Joker]: Daredevil Marvel Connection.

    [Owls]: Daredevil Marvel connection.

    [Joker]: Yeah no, that's not Marvel in general. But Daredevil is technically still Marvel.

    [Owls]: Yeah,

    [Joker]: but again, that's the connection there. Yes, it is. The Netflix Daredevil versus the cinematic Daredevil.

    [Owls]: See, if we start branching off into all that, then we're going to have to branch off into like different versions of the same thing versus in different Studios.

    [Joker]: But see, here's the thing, though. At least with the Marvel universe, all of the Marvel universe, they're fairly consistent.

    [Owls]: Oh, yeah, they try to be. I mean, there's definitely anything has loopholes because it's like almost impossible to be perfect

    [Joker]: because DC is all kinds of Tom fuckery right now

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: with their consistency.

    [Owls]: They've got like three different Batmans in the last ten years. Yeah, they can't keep one Batman. It's just crazy. I get like, Spiderman,

    [Joker]: There are four different Flashes.

    [Owls]: One's a TV show. It's like all over the place.

    [Joker]: Yeah, there are quite literally four different Flashes. [thinking hard and counting Flashes to himself]

    [Owls]: You thought real hard you looked like possessed for a second.

    [Joker]: Five

    [Owls]: You gained access to your brain. You actually looked inside of your head for the answer.

    [Joker]: But there's like five or six different Wonder Woman.

    [Owls]:

    [Joker]: Oh, no, there's more than just three Supermans. There's actually five different Supermans because one person played two different characters in the same universe.

    [Owls]: Are you talking about Ryan Reynolds?

    [Joker]: No,

    [Owls]: No.

    [Joker]: Superman, one of the Supermans. I think it was the Man of Steel Superman also plays, Adam in Legends of Tomorrow. So he is the only person.

    [Owls]: I don't know anything about DC. I'm going to be honest. Like, Dc movies like, no offense to people that like DC movies. There are a few of them that I actually enjoy because they do not have the comical relief that Marvel movies have.

    [Joker]: Absolutely dark. But that makes it a little more real

    [Owls]: Yeah

    [Joker]: Because there's less science fiction to it.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: And that's why people connect to it.

    [Owls]: So, I mean, I enjoy, don't get me wrong, I enjoyed one of my favorite ones was the Dark Knight Bryce’s Joker,

    [Joker]: the Christian Bale version.

    [Owls]: And I didn't even really care about Christian Bale. I really just liked Heath Ledger's Joker.

    [Joker]: Well, I mean, he was a martyr to the character. Honestly. It's like people hate on Jared Leto's Joker because

    [Owls]: I loved his too. Don't get me wrong,

    [Joker]: What's funny is Jared Leto's Joker and Jack Nicholson's Joker are actually two of the more accurate Jokers.

    [Owls]: Yeah, because Jared Leto is. I mean, we're kind of getting off topic, but Jared Leto is. What do we call it, a method actor? Is that what it is.

    [Joker]: He dove into it?

    [Owls]: Yeah, no, all of them, but a lot of them dove into it. I remember reading something about it after Heath Ledger passed that he was warned about this particular character because getting so into this.

    [Joker]: Yeah, Hollywood has a curse.

    [Owls]: It's not just a curse, but especially method actors when they get so into that mindset. If they believe that they're that character, they're such a method actor. It puts you in a really dark place.

    [Joker]: I mean, look at Watkin Phoenix.

    [Owls]: Oh, man.

    [Joker]: He is the biggest method actor of all of DC like lineup. And his version of The Joker was almost the death of him because he got so anorexic to fill that character's role. It's ridiculous. Like it is truly ridiculous.

    [Owls]: No, I believe that. I think they all in their own way. But Jared Leto literally was sending his castmates dead rats. That's how much he got into it. He was not welcomed back for another movie because of how into it he got.

    [Joker]: And we will remind me Griff or put it in the reply to the cast with a headline topic request. And we will talk about bad casting in movies because I absolutely agree with you on that one. And I'll explain we'll go through the purpose of that one particular.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Other than small tidbits DC, it's not in my wheelhouse. I never got into them. I've watched a few of them, but they've never been really intriguing to me.

    [Joker]: See, you almost won the Nerd card, but you just lost it.

    [Owls]: Why? Because the DC thing.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: They just don't. I don't want to watch a movie and be depressed. Especially a superhero one. That's just my personal preference. I tell you, I enjoyed some of them. Aquaman is the only one I know. You're going to give me shit. I'm just waiting for you to be go to whatever the fuck his name is now. I can't remember his name.

    [Joker]: Jason Momoa.

    [Owls]: It's not because of that. That had a more Marvel feel to it as far as how they portrayed the character and how they stop and get that smile. Oh my God. It's not just because of what he looks like.

    [Joker]: By the way, for those that can't see her face, she is blushing so hard

    [Owls]: Stop

    [Joker]: that her cheeks are turning red

    [Owls]: Stop

    [Joker]: on camera.

    [Owls]: I don’t even look like that.

    [Joker]: I haven't looked at you once until just now.

    [Owls]: I can't see it. No, it's like you're looking away, but I can see the look on your face. It's not because of that. I'm just saying.

    [Joker]: Hey, the man is fucking gorgeous. I'm not going to lie.

    [Owls]: I’m not saying he’s not. He is an attractive man. I can find men attractive. It's not a problem. But I liked the feel of the movie more because it felt more like lighthearted but still serious. And the scenes were just awesome. I don't know how to say it. I don't know how to say it other than that.

    [Joker]: Sure.

    [Owls]: Henry Cavill and Jason Momoa

    [Joker]: all right. You know what? I don't give a shit. Hold on. I don't give a shit what anybody says. Henry Cavill is the best choice they could have ever made for fucking Superman. He is the true nerd, man's, man.

    [Owls]: I don't know.

    [Joker]: He does fucking D&D. He does Warcraft.

    [Owls]: Is he?

    [Joker]: Yes. He's into all of that. He does all of that. He's not just an actor. This motherfucker is a nerd.

    [Owls]: He's a nerd. It says, Is Henry Cavill in a relationship? Like, people want to know this shit. No, I like him because he's a good Witcher, too.

    [Joker]: Oh, my God. There was an interview that he did when The Witcher for season one premiered, and they were saying that he actually went full on fucking, like, geek out nerd them when he was offered that position.

    [Owls]: Oh, I'm sure if he's into everything like that, that's like, probably dream,

    [Joker]: Fuck, I want Henry Cavill. Jesus.

    [Owls]: If I were to choose between Jason Momoa and Henry Cavill, I would definitely Henry. But I mean, I wouldn't say, hey, Jason Momoa, get the hell out of here.

    [Joker]: If you had to tell one of them to get the fuck out.

    [Owls]: No, I can find them attractive. I'm not doing any of that.

    [Joker]: So, yeah, back to the Marvel side of it with X Men. Great choices on a lot of characters. I was actually intrigued and surprised at how they portrayed the younger versions of Xavier and Magneto. Fantastic job, by the way. Yeah, same thing with a young mystique. I was questioning it at first.

    [Owls]: She was great. She did so good.

    [Joker]: Jennifer Lawrence did a fantastic job with that.

    [Owls]: I love her,

    [Joker]: especially coming from Hunger Games.

    [Owls]: Yeah, she's really good. I was like, what do I know her from Hunger Games? That would be another one I would be willing to talk about. I've read the books and watched the movies.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So going forward, it's going to be a very different vibe. We're still going to be doing or at least attempting to do every week. But you may not see me one week or you won't see Owls one week because I was thinking about it, too. I was like, Fuck, I didn't even realize it was Wednesday because I forgot that I didn't even stream yesterday. I just came in, lurked a little bit, and then chilled the fuck out. Yeah, I get that.

    [Owls]: Everyone deserves a break. Yeah, for sure. And you've got some big life things happening.

    [Joker]: That was another concept that I was putting into play with. This is because baby girl is quickly approaching, like she is knocking at the door, trying to escape. Like she's ready to get the fuck out of the insane asylum that she's being held in right now.

    [Owls]: aka Baby Momma.

    [Joker]: Aka Baby Momma.

    [Owls]: But we love her and she's not insane. We're just naming it that. Very saddened by no Joker stream. Yeah, but she's getting close. So that is the thing that is happening,

    [Joker]: especially mid-April. Most likely you won't see me on here for probably two solid streams. So, Owls, I'm hoping you will be able to take care of that.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Coming up quick though,

    [Joker]: All you got to do is record it. I can log in, get what I need and put it to a podcast. You just need to record. That's all I need from you.

    [Owls]: All right, ten minutes, stream. Let's do it.

    [Joker]: And by the way, I will send you like, if you want this, I'll send you this so you can see it or use it on your side.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I can have it. So I use a different platform. I use the basic Twitch Studio when I stream. So if I

    [Joker]: OBS,

    [Owls]: if I do OBS, then I could save everything to that and then I don't have to worry about switching back and forth like I do.

    [Joker]: I didn't even think about doing Twitch Studio.

    [Owls]: Twitch Studio is so easy. I don't know about the

    [Joker]: you won't have all the elaborate stuff like I have, but if you want something simple like the thing below you, the counter stuff like that is just plugins in OBS. They have free plugins.

    [Owls]: No, I would do OBS for that actually.

    [Joker]: I think I can export the file set file and the only thing you would have to do is

    [Owls]: download it to it,

    [Joker]: download it and change your input settings for your camera and your audio inputs.

    [Owls]: Yeah, we could do that one day.

    [Joker]: Okay. Because really, it's only two scenes. Anyway, for the podcast it's the intro glitch, which I probably will just make a static one for you because that's a full web file and that's probably what helps make my shit on drop frames in the beginning because I've noticed since I personally on my personal channel have switched to just the cameras, there's not as much network issue.

    [Owls]: I did also just think of something that you could do on Saturdays before you do the podcast, not the podcast, stream with me. You could do like a quick short just chatting stream

    [Joker]: On here so we can get the number up so we can get that affiliate status now.

    [Owls]: So, like just a quick one raid and then start your regular one up

    [Joker]: After I raid. Yeah. Also, guys, we do need your help out in Twitch land and listeners. We are currently only sitting at, I believe, 28 followers. We are currently only sitting at 28 followers. So we definitely need your help. Get the word out. I want us to try to get to 50 followers at least before the end of April. Once we reach affiliate on here on the Red Circle platform where our host is, I will also start exclusive memberships there, which will be a little higher than the Twitch tiers for one reason and one reason only, because the benefits will be for both. If you are a Red Circle subscriber and you retain that subscription on Red Circle every month you will be gifted automatically a subscription to whatever tier you do on Red Circle to the tier equivalent on Twitch, so you'll still have access to all the emotes for that subscriber tier. But it'll be a little more on Red Circle for the simple fact that there'll be added bonuses to the audio side as well. Like a movie night. Like a lot of posts will go out via the exclusive tiers. I'll try to see if I can get an email list as well and do it that way so that when we do like for exclusive members through Red Circle or here on Twitch as subscribers, we'll have a movie night maybe once a month or twice a month. Who knows? And we'll just sit in discord and watch a movie. And this will be one of the fun ones for us because we'll just sit there and pick it apart. Be the bad viewers or bad movie goers. Yeah. And we'll sit there and pause it every so often and be like that's fucking stupid or what the hell are they doing talking during the whole movie? And we'll do that probably right after dinnertime Eastern just so we can eat dinner and then have a little extra time to bullshit through the movie. Because most movies nowadays are 2 hours long.

    [Owls]: Oh yeah, definitely. When I would do it on Sundays, I'd be like, man, I got to find an hour and a half so that I have some time to like chill for two-hour movies, man. That's like a shorter movie.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Nowadays

    [Owls]: Two and a half is standard at this point.

    [Joker]: I was going to say no Way Home was almost 3 hours. It was like 2 hours.

    [Owls]: That was such a good movie that you don't even notice it.

    [Joker]: Oh yeah. No, I was like because I was hoping I was able to finish it before we did podcast last week.

    [Owls]: Oh, okay. You just watched it right before.

    [Joker]: Yeah, literally I finished it and then came and hit start on this.

    [Owls]: Like walking away from the TV. Is it over yet? Is it over?

    [Joker]: Yeah. No, there was part of the lull towards the end, the final fight scene that I actually missed a few seconds of it here and there because I was trying to get the camera and everything set up.

    [Owls]: For shame.

    [Joker]: I know, but I bought it. I bought it on Amazon, so I'll be able to rewatch it anytime I want to.

    [Owls]: Yeah, actually, after X Men is over, I'm going to do the impossible and watch all of Marvel again.

    [Joker]: All of Marvel?

    [Owls]: I'm going to start. Actually, I'm going to start. Okay, maybe Silver Surfer. I don't know, like all those. But at least from Spiderman on I'm going to start it. I can't remember his name. Toby Maguire Spiderman because now technically he's a part of the Marvel universe because they brought him in.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Well, Spiderman was Marvel anyway. It's always been Marvel, but

    [Owls]: But not Marvel Universe when they created the not Marvel Cinematic Universe.

    [Joker]: Not Marvel Cinematic Universe.

    [Owls]: Yeah, that's what I mean.

    [Joker]: Yeah, that's what I mean. But Toby Maguire is the OG, and I'm glad that they mention how much older than the others he is.

    [Owls]: Like, they poked on it that he was a lot older, but also, they were all different things. Like when they were discussing their different web comes out of you, like, everywhere.

    [Joker]: So fantastic.

    [Owls]: Yeah, that was just cinematic beauty. It was like nostalgic and exciting all at the same time. Yeah. And I really like Doctor Strange.

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah.

    [Owls]: He actually has quickly become one of my favorites in the entire universe.

    [Joker]: Well, I think he's actually the first cinematic Doctor Strange they've ever had. There's been animated versions.

    [Owls]: No, he for sure is. I don't think I've ever seen

    [Joker]: a live action one,

    [Owls]: because that was my first. Like I've said, I have no information on comic books. That's just never been what I've looked at. Never been interested. Sorry, just not my thing, not my jam.

    [Joker]: But what I'm saying is he will always and forever be Doctor Strange. Like, Robert Downey Jr. Is Iron Man

    [Owls]: Iron Man forever. Nobody else is going to be able to touch it because that is so iconic.

    [Joker]: And then Elizabeth only going to be the Scarlet Witch.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I haven't seen all the shows either. I've got to do that.

    [Joker]: WandaVision is phenomenal.

    [Owls]: I need to watch it. I know, I'm fully aware. I'm going to.

    [Joker]: They did a lot of integration in that one, too. In that TV show.

    [Owls]: I will be watching it. I'm starting from scratch and I'm going to go up and I'm going to get like a list of, like, the shows and the movies that I need to kind of watch.

    [Joker]: But I gotta say I am disappointed, though, in the fact of the concept of what's his name played Captain America.

    [Owls]: I know what you're talking.

    [Joker]: But that's not his first Marvel appearance as Captain America. He was also the Human Torch in the first Fantastic Four.

    [Owls]: That's true. I didn't even think about that. Imagine if they did a crossover. What would happen?

    [Joker]: Oof. They probably use the second one. The black guy, he was still a good one. He still embodied the Human Torch.

    [Owls]: Oh, you're talking about another Fantastic Four.

    [Joker]: Yeah, the second one. They changed the entire cast.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I didn't see that.

    [Joker]: A whole different cast.

    [Owls]: I have to catch up on everything.

    [Joker]: It was still a good movie, considering, but it just didn't feel right. Hugh Jackman, another one. Fantastic.

    [Owls]: He's going to forever be Wolverine. He's even Wolverine in the prequels. They didn't even bother trying to get a younger version of him. They're like, you're just going to do it.

    [Joker]: Well, you got to think, though.

    [Owls]: He’s been alive forever.

    [Joker]: He's older than any of them as far as character wise, because he was born in the 18 hundreds

    [Owls]: And he just continued. But it's just funny that they didn't even bother trying to get like, a younger because he is aging. He's just aging extremely slow.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Well, I mean, that's where they came in. Because if you look at Logan, the timeline, Logan is almost 70, 80 years after the events.

    [Owls]: Like the first movies.

    [Joker]: No. After what was it? Days of future past.

    [Owls]: Which is even further in the future.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So it's well, after that. And that's considered old man Logan. Old Man Logan in the original storyline, i.e., Comics from the X Men, like the yellow and blue suit X Men to Old man Logan was almost 100 plus years.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Andrew read that comic book.

    [Joker]: Yeah. And that's where the storyline or concepts were based off for Logan was old man Logan in the comics. That's where they got the look and everything else. Thank you for the follow. We'll get more into that. And I'll try to bring in some comic book lore in there to help make sense of some of this, because a lot of the comic book lure does bleed into the cinematic universe.

    [Owls]: I mean, it has to at a certain point, that's where it's based off of movies did not come before comics. It was comics, then movies. So, there's going to be integration of comics regardless.

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah. It's like the whole scene in Captain America where he meets Rhodey for the first time during the run around the pool. I say the pool. But the thing in DC around the Lincoln or the Needle, that big gas pool in DC, body of water, that was in the comic books. They pulled that from the comic books.

    [Owls]: I mean, that's the same with The Amazing Spiderman, with Andrew Garfield. Again, spoiler alert. With what's her name, Gwen Stacy, where she's dangling and he's there under when she dies. Like, he can't catch her.

    [Joker]: He didn't catch her.

    [Owls]: Yeah. There's a picture. There's a like, side by side somewhere on the Internet of, like, the comic book picture and the movie scene. And it's like the same thing.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Oh, man.

    [Owls]: That's such a heartbreaking moment.

    [Joker]: That honestly.

    [Owls]: And then the scene again spoiler. And in the new one when he catches

    [Joker]: No Way Home when he catches Mary, MJ

    [Owls]: MJ, Mary Jane.

    [Joker]: It’s not Mary Jane, it's Michelle Jean. Actually, it's something completely different.

    [Owls]: I can't. It's too much,

    [Joker]: Which is actually, if I remember correctly, is a Spiderverse true MJ.

    [Owls]: I'm sure it is. I just don't know. But when he catches her, I bust up crying

    [Joker]: because I think in the comics, that's what causes him to, after the death of the Mary Jane. Gwen Stacy is when the Spiderverse actually opens, and that's when Gwen Stacy becomes Spider Gwen.

    [Owls]: So I don't know about all that.

    [Joker]: I can't remember. Don't quote me. But I believe there is. Don't do that because

    [Owls]: I did it. Now. It's quoted. I already posted on Twitter.

    [Joker]: You don't have a Twitter.

    [Owls]: Exactly. So, you're safe.

    [Joker]: For now.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So that's some stuff that we'll kind of get into as far as the X Men stuff. I'll try to reach out to my brother-in-law, who definitely collects a lot of that as well. A lot of DC old school Marvel. He collects comic books. Like, there's a box. Is it in here yet? Oh, yeah, it's back over here on this side, actually. I think you can see it if I move it's a Speakerbox down here that is full of fucking comics. Like, I've got thousands of dollars in minted comics that are graded in that box.

    [Owls]: Dang, I didn't know it was there. Was it there when I visited?

    [Joker]: Yeah, it probably was. Actually. If it wasn't there, it was out in the living room.

    [Owls]:  I could have ran with it and then never.

    [Joker]: Yeah, that's just one of the boxes too. Well, I mean, yeah, you've got a couple of $1,000 in comics down there, but you've also got tens of thousands of dollars in guns right next to it.

    [Owls]: And then you also had a VR headset that you threw away.

    [Joker]: Oh, I didn't do that.

    [Owls]: I'm just kidding.

    [Joker]: I did not do that. That was Baby Momma $500 VR Quest 2 almost thrown away.

    [Owls]: Yes. The next time you want to throw something like that away, Baby Momma, just let me know.

    [Joker]: Hey, it would have been her money. It wasn't my money. So that's really what we've got going on is a hard point. Also, guys, again, if you're watching on the Madhouse channel, Discord channel, I should say the Madhouse Discord channel. Down below all the pretty little channel pieces within that is the Group Therapy podcast. And there's a text channel in there called Reply to the Cast if you want to suggest topics. So when we get done with the X Men series, we can already have an idea of where we want to go. Plus, we'll be able to build up a topic list so that it will be easier for us to get into each week. Also, if you have someone that you want us to interview, put that in there as well. Instead of saying topic, just put interview and then the streamer's name, whether they're on Twitch or YouTube. And if you can provide a link to their channels so that we can check them out, get an idea of what we want to talk about with them. If we believe they're a good fit for the channel as well. So, we can bring them on and just talk to them, see what they're doing, what they're up to, what they're about, and hopefully grow both communities like we have been with the Madhouse anyway.

    [Owls]: That'd be fun. We just wanted to get to know more people, too.

    [Joker]: Oh, absolutely. I hope IAmBPala is willing to join us either next week or one week. Now see, my top end streamer that I really would love us to be able to interview is actually a South Carolina local.

    [Owls]: I don't live in South Carolina. That's weird.

    [Joker]: But it's Alex_Zedra. Alex_Zedra is, she is a Twitch streamer, who is actually live right now, and she's a part of Black Rifle Coffee Company's group of hooligans. But she is also the face of a character in Call of Duty, Mara.

    [Owls] I don't play enough Call of Duty.

    [Joker]: Yeah, no, it's fine. Her and Heather Lynn are both like. Well, they're tactical models, and they're part of the Black Rifle Coffee Company. Heather Lynn actually just got a position with Black Rifles Production Group being a producer and director of shorts for them. So that's awesome.

    [Owls]: Yeah, that's awesome. That's really cool.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So that's my goat between her, Alexandra, and Matt Best, who is, of course, the creator of Black Rifle Coffee Company.

    [Owls]: Yeah. You know more than I do. I have no idea. I definitely have a couple of people that would be really interesting to interview.

    [Joker]: And I'm hearing BBJess is getting a lot of rave lately. I actually watched one of her. Yeah, I watched one of her streams where she was doing band requests, like band removals from her channel. That was quite hilarious. Especially her little raid thing where it's the TikTok meme little booty. But she turned it into a song and dances to it like she climbs up in her fucking chair and shakes her butt. I mean, it's hilarious because she's in a sweatshirt and sweatpants.

    [Owls]: Oh, yeah, she goes hard

    [Joker]: And she is hilarious. And I'm still trying to figure out if those eyes are real or if she's got a contact in because it looks.

    [Owls]: Those are her eyes. I'm telling you, those are her eyes for sure. I've looked at a couple of her streams and some information. She actually majored in production, some technical production, which is why she's got this super elaborate stream in her dining room area. Yeah, she's got, like seven or eight different cameras in every different direction, different effects.

    [Joker]: That is nothing compared to one guy Baddie B-A-D-D-I-E. This motherfucker has got, like, twelve different fucking cameras sprawled out across the entire room.

    [Owls]: Oh, no, this is, like, all over the place. It's crazy.

    [Joker]: Go look at Baddie. Baddie is fucking hilarious. If I remember correctly, he is a combat vet, but he's a gun lover. He is fucking insane. Like, he's playing Escape from Tarkov right now. And oh, my God, he's hilarious when he goes. It’s crazy.

    [Owls]: It's just all fun. It's like, fun to watch. There's another guy called Chris Six or 06 Chris. He just vibes his entire stream. He's a lot of fun, too.

    [Joker]: Nice. Very nice.

    [Owls]: There's a multitude of choices. Anybody we get on is just going to bring something different to the podcast.

    [Joker]: Absolutely.

    [Owls]: So, we'll just feed off of whatever that person wants to talk about or whatever we discuss with them.

    [Joker]: Whatever feels we got going on, the future waits for. [Sound Alert] Sorry about that.

    [Owls]:  I thought it was mine.

    [Joker]: No, it was mine. Yes. I'm going through my list that I follow currently.

    [Owls]: Kind of like who you would want to interview. Is that what you're doing? Oh, my God. You know what the ultimate dream for me would be? PaymoneyWubby.

    [Joker]: PaymoneyWubby?

    [Owls]: Oh, my God. If you don't know who this is,

    [Joker]: Put a link in the chat because I need to see this individual. I've never heard them.

    [Owls]: Fucking hilarious. He's got 17 and a half thousand, like 17.5K viewers

    [Joker]: Ah, active?

    [Owls]: Yeah. Like his chat is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

    [Joker]: Oh, wow. Sounds right. Put in the chat really quick. I want to see.

    [Owls]: In Twitch?

    [Joker]: Yeah, Twitch is fine. I want to see who this is. This guy live, right? It's depression and he's a ginger.

    [Owls]: I'm not going to say that is he isn't.

    [Joker]: Hell, yeah,

    [Owls]: He's hilarious.

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah. He is definitely a top end streamer.

    [Owls]: Oh, yeah. And we watch his videos on YouTube and everything, so he's hilarious.

    [Joker]: Okay.

    [Owls]: if you have time, look him up. Just look up his.

    [Joker]: Oh, I've got it pulled up right now. I'll give him a follow.

    [Owls]: Oh, yeah. It's worth it for sure. It's just ridiculous.

    [Joker]: The G Fuel bus with fucking Bernie in there. Oh, my God.

    [Owls]: It's so ridiculous. Everything that he does, that would be the ultimate dream. I think that would be the most fun. But like, he's his top tier there.

    [Joker]: I am jealous of his fucking hair. Oh, my God. That's how red my hair used to be when I had hair.

    [Owls]: I don't believe you ever had hair.

    [Joker]:  I used to have hair.

    [Owls]: You came out exactly like this with a mustache. Bald. And that's how you've been the rest of the entire.

    [Joker]: That's right. You weren't here yet or a part of the community yet when I had my Covid beard.

    [Owls]: Covid beard?

    [Joker]: Yeah, when I was working from home. Summer of 2020.

    [Owls]: Yeah. I didn't start streaming until my stream anniversary is going to be May 1. I'm pretty sure that was my first dream ever.

    [Joker]: Oh, wow.

    [Owls]: And I met Atari, like a month after that. Yeah.

    [Joker]: So, anything roughly around summer of 2020 is, I had a Covid beard. Like, it was a mixture between just regular scruff, clean face, and a full beard. I mean, not full like your little pay money will be, but it was obviously there.

    [Owls]: I had Covid legs. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I had some maternity leave when Covid started.

    [Joker]: Now, if you want to talk about top tier streamers, I want to interview. The one I really want to interview is Pestily.

    [Owls]: Yeah. I don't know who that is.

    [Joker]: So, he's a Tarkov streamer.

    [Owls]: Well, that makes sense.

    [Joker]: But he's also Australian and he was a part of the Australian Army.

    [Owls]: That's cool. That's interesting.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So he's a big tactical guy, but he has built up from nothing and he got partnered early on with Tarkov,

    [Owls]: And that was the game itself.

    [Joker]: Yeah, with the game and Battlestate Games and that's where he got his big money shot. Like, most people have it off of one type of game. Well, his was originally Tarkov and average streams for him are anywhere between 18 and 24,000 viewers.

    [Owls]: Yeah?

    [Joker]: Yeah, I think the highest I've ever seen him at was over 500,000 during a Tarkov tournament.

    [Owls]: Dude, I freak out when I have, like, ten people. I'm like, there's two people in Europe.

    [Joker]: Hell, I'm still surprised that my average viewers on my channel have finally jumped up over six. Like, I'm at seven right now from Twitch as an overall average, and that feels phenomenal. Like, I'm achieving something here.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I think my average is, like, anywhere between three and six, which is fine by me. Three people is three people watching me play that's, three people taking the time out of their day and watching me do something

    [Joker]: More lurking because I know that's where 90% of my viewership comes from is y'all. And trust me, I'm absolutely ecstatic in that fact. I don't care about the viewers because, I mean, I push them off on you all anyway, because you all are my community that have helped me grow, but also allowed me to do what I do with everybody, and especially new streamers. When I give them 20, 30, 40 subs gifted. It's because of everything you all have done for me.

    [Owls]: I think the first one to gift stuff like that was you in my stream. You were the first? Probably,

    [Joker]: Oh yeah. And it's Joker's break the streamer.

    [Owls]: Oh, my goodness. Atari and I broke a streamer yesterday just by raiding and following.

    [Joker]: Oh, nice.

    [Owls]: And then Atari did some bits and a sub, and I was just like, she was just so thankful. She was so sweet and funny. I loved it.

    [Joker]: Right?

    [Owls]: It made me happy. It was her first affiliate stream, so I was like, that makes me happy that you're happy.

    [Joker]: Now you see how I feel every time I do that.

    [Owls]: No, I love it. I love it every time I stream somebody and they're like, super appreciative, and it makes them happy. That makes me happy. That's me. In a nutshell. I would rather, I like gift giving. I love it because I put a lot of thought into gifts that I give people. And so my favorite part, of course, I like to just give it to them. But my favorite part about gift giving is seeing the reaction on someone's face when they get it.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: Because I spend all this time thinking of something. I spend probably way too much time thinking about gifts because I want someone to enjoy it and I want it to be useful. I don't want it to be just something that you go, well, the hell am I going to do with this? I can't tell you how long I spent thinking of a gift for you guys. I wanted to get you guys something from your registry, but I also wanted to get something kind of personal, so I spent a lot of time.

    [Joker]: Aww

    [Owls]: Aww, gross. But like, I love gift giving. So, it's like it's the same feeling when I raid somebody and they're like [gasp], if I have gosh, I have three or four viewers, which again, love it. Three or four people took the time out and that's what I sent over. And that person was excited about that. So that was exciting for me.

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah. And that's another thing, too. Me personally, I want to be able to I guess my goal I've always talked about from the beginning, like overarching goal is going partner, but with a purpose. I don't want to just go partner to say I'm partner now. I want to be able to do the links in the panel section where I don't have to tag everybody individually, where I can just put a link and that goes to the Madhouse channel that has everybody a part of the Madhouse there so people can see. Plus one of my things was my overarching goal is when I reach partner, if it ever happens, is I'm going to build the top tier PC for one lucky follower. Not even just a sub, just a follower.

    [Owls]: And it's going to be like a thousand accounts.

    [Joker]: But it's going to be an AMD PC because I trust AMD more than I do Nvidia or Intel. But it's going to be a Ryzen 9, maybe a Threadripper, who knows? But a Threadripper is honestly overkill. My gaming PC has a Ryzen 9 in it right now. It is the second of it's the number two out of the two top tier AMD chips right now.

    [Owls]: I just need to upgrade. Andrew and I just did our taxes and the number. I could not believe it. He sent me a picture of it, and I said, that's not real.

    [Joker]: Baby Momma

    [Owls]: We didn't do any of the child tax credit, so we opted out. I don't like getting those monthly payments. So we've got like all the child tax credit, plus how much we pay for daycare and all that stuff is like coming back to us.

    [Joker]: Did you put in the daycare stuff? Holy shit. I didn't even think about that.

    [Owls]: They don't give you a paper? Yeah, you got to file those things because that's an expense.

    [Joker]: I didn’t think about that.

    [Owls]: That's deductible. So from that and the credit that we didn't get and whatever we had from income. Oh, my God.

    [Joker]: By the way,

    [Owls]: He sent me a picture and I went, that can't be real.

    [Joker]: By the way. Adults, if you stream at all, anything that you use to stream or you buy for streaming is deductible. Save that receipt. You can deduct it on your taxes, some things like monitors, keyboard, stuff like that. That's a onetime deductible the year you bought it. However, Internet, electricity,

    [Owls]: You can even do part of your rent.

    [Joker]: Yes, because if you stream from your home, it is all deductible. Every year you stream.

    [Owls]: The reason why I brought that up is because we did the taxes, and the number was like, what? That can't be real. Somebody's going to get

    [Joker]: More than four digits.

    [Owls]: It was like somebody's taking me to jail after this. I don't know what's happening, but Cynara suckers, it's going to pay off the credit card, and then we're like, we're going to get new video cards. That was the next thing.

    [Joker]: Well, that's how I got my RX 6900 XT in the middle of COVID when graphics cards were over two grand apiece.

    [Owls]: Ridiculous.

    [Joker]: My graphics card was $2,300 in the middle of COVID.

    [Owls]: Oh man!

    [Joker]: That was last year. Now they're running for about $1,500 to $1,600.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Crazy. More than we spent, like when we rebuilt our computers.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: It's crazy.

    [Joker]: Oh, my gaming computer. Like, everything attached to my gaming computer right now. I've got three Predator monitors that were $450 a piece. I bought two of them this year. The AMD chipset, the graphics card, the Radiator cooler, because I've got the Corsair Radiator cooler with three fans. Got that. And keyboards. All that can be deducted this year.

    [Owls]: If I get a video card, whatever I earn for the year, it's going to even it out, probably.

    [Joker]: Yeah, probably. You may come up a little short, but still.

    [Owls]: I mean, that's not a big deal to me. I really just want the video card because I want to play other games and I don't want my computer to lag.

    [Joker]: By the way, any emotes that you Commission out and buy from an artist can be deducted if you get a receipt for it.

    [Owls]: Any games that you purchase, and you play on stream?

    [Joker]: Yes. Any games.

    [Owls]: Any games. Pico Park.

    [Joker]: If you bought it and you played it on stream, that is revenue. Earnings. Revenue. That is quite literally a business purchase.

    [Owls]: So when I purchased something from Dead by Daylight, like any DLC? See that's deductible

    [Joker]: Deductible, guys. All deductibles.

    [Owls]: She got to find a way to work it in. Did you stream it? Did you use it for stream deductible?

    [Joker]: Absolutely. Emotes, subscription are considered donations. That's deductible. Donations are deductibles every year.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Like you said that to other people. Is that what you mean?

    [Joker]: No, not sub to a streamer, when you donate subs to a stream.

    [Owls]: Okay.

    [Joker]: Yeah, that is a deductible. If you participate in charities, that is a deductible. There is so much you can do in the United States with tax returns, you can get a lot of money back.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I'm telling you, you can.

    [Joker]: Oh, my God. I'll put it to you this way the last two years, mostly because of baby Joker, thankfully, but a lot of

    [Owls]: Wait until you get that third kid, man, you think three children.

    [Joker]: Oh, by the way, if you adopt a child, you get a tax credit for up to five years.

    [Owls]: What do you mean? Like just an additional tax credit?

    [Joker]: Yes. For the adoption for five years of that child. As long as they are underage. For all five years. For all five years, you can pull a deductible on an adoption.

    [Owls]: So, if you were to adopt, just a question. If you were to adopt a kid at like 15 for up

    [Joker]: until they're 18.

    [Owls]: So up to five years

    [Joker]: Up to or…

    [Owls]:  Interesting.

    [Joker]: 18th birthday.

    [Owls]: Can't you claim a dependent until they're 25?

    [Joker]: As long as they're in school, like public, like a school system.

    [Owls]: So, would that also?

    [Joker]: No, that would not count.

    [Owls]: Seems odd, though, because you're adopting

    [Joker]: So, adoption is different because this is to the point of where they're not self-sustainable.

    [Owls]:  Is an 18-year-old really self-sustainable?

    [Joker]: By law, yes. Because they can move out.

    [Owls]: They can move out and cause a lot of debt. Got you.

    [Joker]: Yes. So adoptions are up to five years or their 18th birthday, at least in my state. Now, it may be different for other States, but

    [Owls]: Every state is different

    [Joker]: In my state or regardless, across the board, you can get adoption credit, but here South Carolina, it's up to five years. It should be a federal standard, I believe. If I read that right after Baby Momma showed it to me.

    [Owls]: Did you confirm the daycare expense

    [Joker]: For a certain amount of adoption cost? Okay. Oh, yes, she did. She did. That was prior to. Yes, I did.

    [Owls]: That's very important. Because when I got that paper from the daycare when they laid out all I paid for the year, I just went. That's a lot of money that I paid for you to just look at my child. I know they do more than that. I know they do more than that. I appreciate everything my daycare does, but it just like it hurt a lot to see how much it paid for that.

    [Joker]: Listen, listen, our kid runs that fucking daycare. Like, he's got little girls and the daycare attendants lining up to give him hugs when he is.

    [Owls]: That's how my son is, my youngest. They love him. They fell in love with him. Like all of them. They share their food with him, when he comes in and they'll share whatever food they got.

    [Joker]: Like he sits at the head of the kid table when they have snack time.

    [Owls]: Yeah, I don't know about that, but definitely he's been posted on the Facebook a couple of times. Like, they think he's so cute and I think he's always on the Facebook.

    [Joker]: Yeah. I mean, of course everybody on my personal channel has seen Baby Joker. He fucking rules wherever he goes.

    [Owls]: He’s sweet.

    [Joker]:  But, yeah, if he doesn't show up to daycare by 08:00 a.m., they're calling her, asking, where is he? What's wrong? Is he okay?

    [Owls]: That's funny. That's awesome. That's a really good. That's a good daycare.

    [Joker]: Yeah. Everybody loves him. Once he gets out of his shy phase with people, he steals everyone's heart.

    [Owls]: He didn't seem all that shy with me

    [Joker]: The first few hours, but you kind of forced that out of him.

    [Owls]: I did?

    [Joker]: Yeah, you did. You snatched him up.

    [Owls]: I mean, I got kids, so it's kind of like

    [Joker]: Second nature?

    [Owls]: Yeah, that's who I am. That's what I do to my kids. And he's a kid. I don't know.

    [Joker]: All right, well, I think we've pretty much deviated far from our original topics.

    [Owls]: That's fine.

    [Joker]: Oh, yeah, absolutely. This is a fun stream. Just bullshit stream anyway. And a bullshit podcast. Really? It's not even technically episode nine, but I figured I'd go ahead and give it that title of episode nine just to alleviate a new era. But what's going to happen just to kind of give a further insight? I was thinking about this while we were kind of bullshitting around is, like I said earlier, official episode ten will be the first episode in which we talk about X Men.

    [Owls]: Which will be next week, right?

    [Joker]: Yes, unless I can confirm if I can get like, BPala to either do next week or the week after. We'll kind of work around that because he's a busy guy when it comes to his content creation. Because last, a couple of days ago, he did a live recording for a YouTube video on Starter Gear. But anyway. But yeah, either it's next week or the week after. Either way, that will be the official episode ten. What I'll end up doing with all the interviews is saving those up, getting those proper edits done, so more intricate edits done. And I'll be posting those probably around episode 20.

    [Owls]: Yeah.

    [Joker]: So, we'll have plenty of time to get in X Men, maybe bad casting choices, some other gaming, or nerdy related topics before we get into the interviews. So, the interviews will definitely be posted later. Hello, Deafgrl. So that's the plan.

    [Owls]: As of now, it would probably be best if we do the X Men next week and then me take off the following because Andrew will be off that week, so I'll be hanging out with him.

    [Joker]: All right. I mean, that's fine because most likely the earliest will be the week after is

    [Owls]: When he would be available.

    [Joker]: Well, I mean, I'm saying, like the week after that, so three weeks from now is probably going to be when I have to take off anyway.

    [Owls]: Got you. Alright.

    [Joker]: The way things are going with baby girl.

    [Owls]: She just really wants to meet you, Joker.

    [Joker]: Oh, dude, anytime I lay on her belly, I get kicked in the face. Like if I get my hand on the belly, she's like, hey, Daddy. And just like swaps.

    [Owls]: She's got to stay in there a little bit longer.

    [Joker]: Just a little bit longer. So we don't have a NICU visit.

    [Owls]: We want a proper amount of baking. We're okay with a little bit early. It's like cookies. You don't want them too raw.

    [Joker]: Yeah,

    [Owls]: But you don't mind a little bit of squish in the middle.

    [Joker]: Oh, and the way the doctors were talking, she's going to be a squishy baby. She's a big girl.

    [Owls]: With my second child. They sent me for gross scans because they were concerned that she was going to be big. She wasn't. So, yeah.

    [Joker]: What was it? I think three weeks ago they were saying that if she goes full term, like natural full term, she had a potential of being a nine-pound baby

    [Owls]: Wow, man.

    [Joker]: Yeah.

    [Owls]: My son was 8.4. So chunky, chunky kid.

    [Joker]: Hell, I was 9lb 8oz.

    [Owls]: Oof. Good Lord. Yeah. I think my mom said I was like 6lb or maybe 5lb. I don't know. She had like five or six pounders. I did not get that lucky. I mean, none of them feel great, regardless of the size. Let's just be honest here.

    [Joker]: And also, another reason why I wanted to hold the podcast was if we needed to take an extended break where either of us couldn't, then we'd have that post as well.

    [Owls]: Yeah, that makes sense.

    [Joker]: So, there may be lag or they may start being more lag from when a podcast is recorded on Wednesdays versus when it's actually posted to the streaming platforms. So, anybody who's actually following us on any of the streaming platforms for the podcast as far as Red Circle, Apple Podcast, Spotify, Google Podcast or the Stitcher or Radio Public, if you are listening to us on any of those platforms, understand that there will not be as much regularity or consistency to the post every week now just because of the content changes that we will be making.

    [Owls]: And life changes.

    [Joker]: Yes. And life changes in general.

    [Owls]: My mom said I was three weeks early, 5lb 8oz.

    [Joker]: Oh, wow. And then baby Mama said first, or the turd was 8lb 2oz at 41 weeks. And baby Joker was 7lb 2oz at 38 weeks.

    [Owls]: Yeah. Mine went up

    [Joker]: And we're currently at

     [Owls]: from 11, 13 to 8.4

    [Joker]: And we're currently at what, 33 weeks, Babe?

    [Owls]: I think just shy of 33 weeks from her post.

    [Joker]: Okay.

    [Owls]:  She's like five or six days.

    [Joker]: Yeah. So we're right before 33 weeks and she's trying to get.

    [Owls]: They want you to be like 35, 36 weeks before.

    [Joker]: And that's what I was saying about mid-month is where we're probably going to end up getting her because she is trying to bust out of that cell.

    [Owls]: I want to be free.

    [Joker]: All right. Well, Owls, do you want to do the last of this style of outro before we change everything up? Because this was the probably…

    [Owls]: All the things…

    [Joker]: This was the last episode of the intro style that we have currently where Owls has wonderfully, wonderfully scripted. But this will also be the last of this style of outro as well. We'll be kind of changing it up depending on the content. Of course, like I said, between the interview content and the content content, the nerd content, because it won't be solely on games anymore. We'll be stretching out into the realms of all nerddom, starting with the X Men side of Marvel, because we're separating X Men Universe from Marvel Universe.

    [Owls]: X Men is a whole thing.

    [Joker]: Yes. It has its own lore. Its own everything. So, starting next week with episode ten will be the first of the new style in which we will be conducting the podcast and we hope you join us for the live recording on Twitch.tv/theMadhousepodcast. Owls, take it away for the rest of it.

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    Pay no attention to the people behind the red curtain. Yes, that's us. Oh, wrong scene. Oh, there we go. Now we're right, I think. Are we right? No. Are we? No, we're not. We're definitely not right. All right. So what we're actuallygoing to be doing that at the end of the stream. So if you or anybody else comes in, Tori, since you are here, that'll be your job to remind newcomers that they have to follow all three channels to be entered to win, and they have to follow all three before we get to the section of the stream that we do it. So there's that. And today we're actually going to be kind of talking about in some realm what we were talking about, but not just only on Spiderman or a multiverse, but more or less the Metaverse and what it may actually look like. This is true. Welcome to the Madhouse Presents Group Therapy, where we talk about games. Are you about our different viewpoints, dive into the strange or whatever we decide in the moment? I am Alex and this is Joker. Hi. How are you doing today? We are talking about the Metaverse.


    So dramatic music. What is the Metaverse? We're going to actually talk about it because there's been quite a few different depictions of what a Metaverse would really look like, especially with the coming ups and advancements in VR that have been made in the last decade alone, let alone the last 20 years that VR has potentially been around. So we're going to talk about that tonight. Sure are. What is the Metaverse, Joker? Well, according to Facebook CEO, the Metaverse is going to be a platform in which everybody can interact socially, play games, do business, not only just conduct business meetings like we've probably seen in the last few years. Well, last two years, thanks to COVID, but actually conduct business, sell products. There's currently a market spike in cryptocurrencies and using different types of cryptocurrencies to buy virtual land. Virtual land? Yes. Virtual land is being transferred for millions of dollars. And this is pixels of land at that. That's interesting. Pixels of land. I mean, what would be the square foot? How would you figure out square footage? So it's really not even square footage. Yeah. I mean, just for like layman's terms for myself or somebody out there who doesn't quite understand. So if you look at it, say right now, you got us on a monitor at full screen. And if we were what's the word I'm looking for? Full resolution. So HD, which is 1080p, right? Yes. And what 1080p represents is a Pixel rating on the screen and it's 1900 by 1080. So 1900 pixels wide by 1080 pixels high. So that is what 1080 represents is Pixel rating. And a Pixel is a very, very small electrical or some type of Cube of light that represents a surface area. Well, what they're doing is they are selling virtual pixels in a virtual world. And however many pixels or blocks that you buy, I think it's considered one square block, like real life block. What is it like 250ft by 250ft in real life, I think is considered a block of like a neighborhood or a business district on a street. Well, that block is then sold for a value of cryptocurrency, and it can't be sold again. It's like NFCs or. Hold on. I'm trying to remember what NFT stands for here. Hold on. N ft. It's like final sale, no returns. Yeah.


    Wow. Nft didn't come back with the actual definition of it. Nfts are unique cryptographic tokens that exist on a blockchain. So similar to how cryptocurrency is transferred from one to another, making the understanding of transfer. And what is a blockchain that multiple people that are on the Internet have to verify that an exchange has happened and that's how they keep track of it. So NFTs, which are called non fungible token, is what NFT stands for, and they exist on a blockchain and cannot be replicated. So once it's created, there's only one of it. And if you want it, you have to buy it. It's like somebody buying a physical piece of art. Somebody can only paint it once. They can create additional prints, but they can only actually paint the physical original once. Correct. Exactly. And one individual back in. Hold on, let me see. I'm trying to remember what the web pages is. The million dollar page. He's thinking really hard right now. You can't see his face in audio land, but he had a really scrunched up face when he was searching. Okay, so if you want to follow us at home or as long as you're not driving or operating machinery at this point, there is a thing that was called and it's www. Dot million dollar homepage.com. And what it was is a College kid, I think I want to say back in either the early 2000s or late 90s, created a web page and offered up a single Pixel on this page for $1. And you bought pixels to put whatever imagery you wanted on it for $1. And there was a million pixels. Once they were done, they were done. So you could do a million penises. You could have if you really wanted to. Or you can do one giant penis worth a million dollars. And he's filled it up. And it still exists to this day because it could be across the whole thing for those watching on Twitch. So again, if you're listening on the podcast audio site only, we do stream a live recording of this every Wednesday night at 09:00 P.m. On Twitch. Tv themadhousepodcast. And right now, for everybody on Twitch, I am showing what the actual one or the million dollar home page looks like. And it's just a giant ad board, basically. Is that what people bought to do that? Yes, this is it. This is exactly what it is like nuts. It looks like I'm looking for like Where's Waldo? In a sea of just words and pictures and colors. It's like at my face and I'm looking for Waldo. So here's the thing. Every Pixel or every ad on here goes to another website. Does it really? Yes. Everything that's on here is an ad. It goes to another website. And the only way that any more that you can get on this is you buy the pixels from someone else because if you notice, everything sold out. So this kid like a stock exchange kind of situation. Exactly. This kid who was 21 years old when he came up with this idea is virtually now a millionaire because he received a dollar for every Pixel that was sold on this page. And then people just kept kept buying. Yeah. So like right here, you can see for those of you that can see there's a thing right here that says web hosting. I scroll my mouse over that and it says the best website hosting ever. Only one point, $99. And it's easycgi. Boom. That's them. Then you've got let's see, I saw it up here somewhere. Japan's most beautiful girls and guys.


    Ferrari. Ferrari's here. Or someone said they got a Ferrari symbol and their little hyperlink shows. If you love cars, you will love this. Let's see what else? Date night or date tonight? A free dating service and dating site reviews. Still searching. Click here. Free and boobies. Thomas the train even made it on here. Yeah, boobies. But Thomas the train even made it on here. Guys, order your free Thomas and friends catalog today. He is in there. I found him. Waldo? Yes. Where? Right next to coupons. Which coupons? Okay, middle on the right. Coupons tab marks coupons to the left. Ok. He is right there. Look at that. You found Waldo. I did it. I'm good at this. I solved the Riddle. Look at that. If you want to check it out again, it is www. Dot million dollarhomepage.com. You can go and check it out. See what all's in there. I mean, literally even ThunderCats made it in here. Ghostbusters Xbox. There is a lot of shit on this page. Alaskan Mint like gold and silver and jewelry. All these people had to buy more than one, though. Correct. Because there's no way they could make it this big by only buying one Pixel of this. Okay. So to give you reference what they represent as one Pixel on here. Okay. If you go over to the yellow pages symbol on the left side, lower left Quadrant. Okay. You see the yellow pages, little fingers. All right. Go two rows down below that. And then you see a little e like a backwards green e and an a above each other or one above the other. That a is one Pixel on this page. Okay. Got you. That's how big. And that's one dollars for that one. Pixel. That tiny little Pixel. Yes. What a sad little Pixel. And the biggest one, I think the biggest add on here is the green, blue, yellow squares inside the red box. Rentpixelads.com. That is the biggest one


    that I can see. Yes, I believe so. Unless you count the free 18 plus free freelance jobs, auditions and map ads. Pixel ads free. I think that's probably the biggest one in there. So, yeah, that's basically what NFTs are and how they're transferred is you buy a spot in this virtual world and you now own that property of virtual land. So that's the stepping stones in which the Metaverse was built on. Very interesting. And then of course with that,


    Dipshit from Facebook is trying to create business space. Kind of like Facebook. Oh yeah, it's Meta. Now, again, Dipshit is trying to create the first real life Metaverse, which isn't really going to play out well right now because there's a lot of issues that he's dealing with thanks to his implementations as far as rights, copyrights, visual rights, everything like that. But with the advancements of VR is where he's trying to put his placehold in there. Because of now Oculus, which is owned by Meta and has not only the computing system, which I have one myself, I have a Rift, S, Oculus Rift S and of course a Quest two, which is the portable or non wired version of the Rift. That's the one that you don't need to have a computer with. Correct. You just have to plug it in long enough to set it up. But once it's set up and as long as it's attached to WiFi, it is free standing minus having to recharge. Got you. I still have yet to experience VR. I want to go to like maybe the mall and do it, see what suit all the hubbub the hubbub is about. Hub. Hubbub. I just like that word, hubbub. I can use that in regular day conversation. I'd be happy. Yeah, alright. And then on top of that, talking about VR, the first known VR or virtual reality was created in long ago by Ivan Sutherland and his students, Bob Sprout or his student, excuse me, Bob Sprout, who created the first VR, AR. So VR is virtual reality and AR is augmented reality, but it was a head mounted display called the Sword of Damicules. D-A-M-O-C-L-E-S. Damocles. Yes, sort of Damocles. And that was connected to a computer and not a camera. So what looks like and I'll actually pull up an image real quick for Twitch people. So what they've got here is the computer augmented reality because obviously it's lenses, so you can see in this image. It is actually never mind, it's a bunch of mirrors with projections through them and you can see his eyes through it. So it was more augmented reality than virtual reality. It almost looks like when you go to get your eyes checked all the different magnifying that they do, they're like, click, is that better? Yeah. Is that better or worse? Better or worse? One or two. Now, there was one other very popular Nintendo version that came out in I want to say it was the 80s, but it was called Virtual Boy. And what it ended up being was what you see here currently on the screen, but a controller attached to a very heavy headset and it was just green and black pixels and maybe some red mixed in on its second version. And it was like Metroid or one of the original speed racers, like you saw in Tron, the original Tron, how you had the grid lines and everything. That's what the display looked like for this. And it was sickening, like worse than what we have now. So you've experienced this particular one? Yeah, I had a friend that was quite wealthy as far as his family, and they had one of these for the short live time that they had with it that it was supported. But, yeah, it was interesting. So Nintendo was the first to get into the virtual reality realm. Wow. Yes. Also because of seizures back in the day,


    one of these days I'll have to do it, but definitely the idea sounds very interesting. It is fun as long as you get used to it. I don't know, because I get motion sickness every now and again. I don't know if that would be something that would affect me when doing it. Like, I remember as a kid being in the car, like, I couldn't read a book because it would make me sick. Then you will absolutely get sick in VR.


    I haven't really read books in my adult life. I mean, I've read but like, especially not in the car. Generally when I'm in the car, either I'm driving or I'm in the passenger seat with somebody who I'm talking to. Yeah. As an adult, I'm not sitting in the back reading a book while we're driving somewhere. Yeah. See, I can do that all day and it doesn't bother me. The only time it bothers me to read in a vehicle is when we're on like a bumpy road or a lot of potholes and it's just bouncing around. That's a different type of aggravation. Yes. Because you can't actually follow it, because it keeps moving. But that's kind of like the book is trying to be virtual reality, trying to come at you. Yeah, right. But yeah. So according to the page that I found is Vrs.org UK as a reference point for some lineage on virtual reality, at least on the development of it. So again, that is Vrs.org UK. And then it's a virtual reality history. So they're saying that the first VR head mounted display was developed up in


    Morton highleg. Next invention was the Telesphere mask. And the first example of the head mounted display, or HMD, for a non interactive film medium. So basically you're just watching a video in a head mounted display without any motion tracking. So the headset provided a stereoscopic 3D and wide version with stereo sound. So it was like the early version of going to a 3D movie. Yes. Except you were technically in your home. I'm using air quotes. Yeah. So think about it. Like, if you watch YouTube on your quest or even on some of the previous versions of the phone mounted virtual head, I don't know what to call it, really, but it looks like a quest, but you stuck your phone in it and you can watch 3D YouTube on it if you had an app for changing your screen to 3D, I guess I think I've done that before where I've like because it was like it was on clearance, like Walmart. It's like a cardboard thing, and it just held the phone. And then he just kind of like, did all this, looked around. Yeah. All right. And then 1965 was Ivan Sutherland with the ultimate display, as they called it, was a 3D virtual world viewed through a head mounted display and appeared realistic through augmented 3D sound and tactile feedback. I don't know how they considered that back then, appearing realistic when people are having difficulties making things look realistic now, but it's all relative true. Like, you watch a movie, think about when you were a kid watching a movie and you're like, this is amazing. And then ten years later, you watch that same movie, you're like, wow, that looks really shitty. I thought that look good. Well, kind of like, hey, if we want to talk about a virtual world in that sense, like the first Matrix movie versus the last one. Oh, yeah, the one that just came out. I haven't seen that. Oh, my God, I have to rewatch all of those. So let's just put it this way. The same technology that went into the propaganda that shows for the last Matrix movie and the Matrix game are very realistic in their AI created characters. So they look like it's like they're so creepily real. Like, you know, they're fake. Like Polar Express level more. I'm just like something to relate it to. Yes. So when Polar Express came out with Tom Hanks looking very realistic, but you knew it wasn't him. But it was a cartoon. Yeah, it was an animated movie. Was very strange at the time. That was state of the art technology and realism in an animated or virtual environment. But with the Matrix movie, they did it so well that there are times that they actually transfer between the real Kiana Reeves and an augmented or created one. And it's absolutely strange. You can go on YouTube and watch the interview where they talk about this. The things that they can do nowadays is crazy. You know how in Fast and Furious, Paul Walker passed away while filming one of the was it seven, six, or seven. Yeah. And before in the final scene and they took his brother as a stand in some scenes and digitally recreated his face on his brother for some scenes. Yeah. And me, I didn't pay that close of I didn't really know that not having that history, I wasn't looking for it. And I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference if no one had told me. Yeah. I definitely did not know until after they came out with that. Because they didn't tell anybody that they did that until after the movie debuted. Well, yeah. Because they don't want people looking for it. That would be exactly what happened. And then people will be like, but going in and not knowing you can fully experience it and not realize because of how good they did. Yeah, exactly. That technology for us, at least our understanding has been around for the last decade because it's been right at it or a little over a decade now since Paul Walker passed. The big thing is like right now they're able to create that kind of realism. It's actually putting that into play and creating a virtual world that feels real. Yes. So that would be the next step. Or maybe not because there are ideas or concepts out there for a very realistic concept of a Metaverse that people will attend. And they made a movie about it. Yes. Ready Player One. Absolutely. I mean, they've made a lot of movies as I did more and more research and searching into this. It's crazy how many movies are about this. Ready Player One is one of the most prevalent that I've seen. It's just a big one. What else have you found in your search of the interwebs of. Oh, my goodness. Of those types of there's so many interventions. I was just doing some quick research. There's the recent movie that came out Free Guy. That is not necessarily about the people going into the world, but about the non player character who is selfrealising. It's a whole concept for him, but like that is where he goes into it. So for those of you that have known self actualization. Yeah. Self realization. Yeah. So he is self aware as an MPC in a game that is built similar to what we know is GTA or Grand Theft Auto. And the NPC becomes self aware and it becomes a meta verse of sorts. Even so limited for real people. Yeah. Real people are interacting with him as the NPC. So that's a very interesting one. In my quick research, it's weird, but makes sense. The newer Jumanjis. Yes, I forgot about those. So in original Jumanji, the board game comes to life and it's all around them based on what they do in the board game creates a real life event. But in the new Jumanji, it's a group of like four high school friends or four people they're cleaning out because they got attention and they find an old gaming system and they're transported into a world. Yeah. So the game console Jumanji game reminds me of the later versions of the original Atari systems or the original Nintendo Entertainment Center. As far as the styling, I guess that was really interesting. I was looking around, I was like, wow, I didn't even think about that movie because that's in its own way, its own thing. But then thinking about the VR mindset, that is very much the same thing. Well, see, when I think of Jumanji, I'm always thinking back to Robin Williams. I'm not thinking to The Rock. Oh, yeah. No, 100%. That's what I think of every single time I think of Jumanji, which is why I forgot that the newer ones were that concept. All right. You mentioned some, like, TV shows to me at one point. What were those? I can't remember. I think one was what? Black Mirror that you said an episode of Black Mirror. I have different episodes of Black Mirror. Oh, two, because, see, I've never seen or watched Black Mirror, so I don't know anything about that one. I'm actually really surprised that you've never seen those. I think you would find those very interesting. Okay, so the premise of Black Mirror, they are all individual episodes. Whatever happens on that episode, it concludes or finishes, however they decided to finish at that point. So it never translates to another episode. You can watch one episode from the first season and then another episode from the third or fourth season and not worry about any sort of overlap. Oh, okay. It's like a Twilight Zone type phenomenon. It's a modern world, dark, twisted Twilight Zone is what I would say it is. Maybe another word for it is a dark satire.


    Satire. So satire, in a way, is there's a problem? How do we fix it? But a satire is I'm going to think of the most outrageous solution for you, and I'm going to try to sell it. I remember in high school population is getting overwhelming. And there was an essay about we got to eat all the babies. I can't remember exactly all of it. Yes, it's a satire. The thing is, look at your face. It's so outrageous because it's a satire. That's what a satire. You're supposed to make that face when you read something like that. So what this is Black Mirror is a dark satire because everything gets twisted to a very strange ending. And so these two particular episodes, let me just I'll talk about what is it called? Okay, let me pull it up because I have the actual, like, episode numbers if anyone wants to kind of watch these particular ones, if I can get to it. Okay, so this is season three, episode two. It's called Play Test. Okay. So in this particular episode, this guy has traveled across seas. He's doing adventures, meets a woman. He can't get quite home yet, and he's looking through the ad to make money to get home. And there's an ad about testing out a gaming system for a really popular horror creator. Okay. And so he answers the ad and he goes in and the premises is he is testing out a virtual reality. All right. So in this episode, he signs the waiver, whatever it is, they put a little chip in the back of him, and it is it a way in augments reality, he's not necessarily transported into something. In the premise of it, he sees what it projects. So throughout the episode, it is him going to this house and seeing different scary things based off of the chip, reading his brain and finding out what scares him the most. Wow. Okay. So it's very interesting. It has a very weird ending, twisted ending. And I do want you to watch this because I think you would like it a lot. All right, so what was it again? Just for myself and everybody else? The episode number, black Mirror. Right. Black Mirror. So this is Black Mirror, season three, episode two. The episode is called Play Test. Black Mirror, season what? Three, episode two. Okay, so season three, EP two. All right, I wrote it down. Got you. And then there's an additional one. Same show, Black Mirror. Okay. It is season five, episode one. Okay. Okay, so this one is called Striking Vipers. So in this particular episode, it is about two friends. What is it? Their high school or College? Old College friends. They used to play like a very mortal. The game is called Striking Vipers. In the episode, it's very immortal combat, Street Fighter or kind of game. Yes. So basically what you do is they're fighting each other. They play this game as old College friends regularly when they, you know, it says I think it says ten years later, they reconnect on his birthday and he gives him the game with the headset or the VR, whatever it is, it's not necessarily a headset like we know. And what it does is it transports them into the world. So it goes into the controller. You put a little knob on your head. I don't know exactly. It's like a little dot, a chip thing. Yeah. Something. I don't know. It's like a little thing. And then once you choose your character and you press start, they completely slouch in their chair and they're completely trans, like eyes gloss over. Like, you know, when animals start to lose their vision, they look kind of like white. Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about now. Okay. So they go completely it's like fully in into the fighting. And I don't really want to go too far into it because, again, this is a really good episode that you should watch. Okay, fair enough. But there's a very interesting concept, which is something that would be very beneficial about this. This particular character has aged, as we all do, at some point, and he's got a bad knee. Oh, no. So going into this game, at one point, his friends like, how's your knee? And he's just, like, moving around. He's like, completely fine. So one of the benefits that could be from doing virtual reality is giving people more confidence or the ability to experience things that they normally would not be able to experience because of any physical Ailments. Yeah. And that's another thing that we kind of see in Ready Player One is where everybody's in a virtual reality setting, but it's virtual reality as we know it. So, like, you put on a headset, whether wireless or wired to an actual computer, but you moving around in the world can translate two ways. One, you move your body in a space, and the character moves as well. And some of the scenes in Ready Player One, you see that where, like, parents or people are moving around jumping over their furniture or falling over their furniture, like we all do in virtual reality, IRL. But the space, the movement isn't necessarily also on your space. You could sit there and do it as well. But also they come up with concepts. And thanks to that movie and some other ones similar to it, or shows or concepts that they came up with, virtual treadmills. Now, it's not an omnidirectional treadmill like you see in Ready Player One, but the concept is slippery shoes on a slick kind of platform that you are attached to with your VR. And it syncs to your VR so you can actually run in real life, and it moves your character in VR. That's another thing. But when you were talking about TV shows, though, that brought back a move or a show on Netflix that is made in the UK, and it's considered a British cyber thriller drama, and it's called Kiss Me First. And this show is on Netflix. It was first aired in April of 2018 on Channel Four, which is the British, like, ABC Network. I don't know. I don't know exactly how it translates to US TV, but it's one of their popular channels for TV shows and whatnot. But again, it's called Kiss Me First, and it's on Netflix. It should still be there, if I remember correctly, just put it on my list. But what it is is a girl who is 17. So their reality world that they live in, VR is a very big staple. And everybody goes to VR worlds, kind of like VR chat. What we have today, except their avatars are very realistic. Like, they're still digitized, but it's more realistic characters than what we currently have in some places, and they live in existence in this world, but it is simply VR. And you can sit there like we do on some places and just use controllers. They have haptic gloves that they can use. And the premise is a virtual existence or social space that you can go and be around people. It's a wonderful drama. It actually got me hooked. I watched every episode of this damn show and I was hooked from day one. But understand it is an 18 plus because there is nudity in it in some spots. So don't let your children watch it alone unless you don't give a rat's ass. Then you might want to figure out your own headspace if you're going to let a child watch this alone unless they're in their later teens. But anyway. But yeah, that was a good show. But also in popular TV, a Metaverse style virtual reality with games was created long ago and it's something that we should have all grown up on. I know, I sure did. It's called Tron. I mentioned it earlier. Yes, you did. And it had a remake. Well, not a remake, but a sequel to Tron to the original Tron that was done in the 80s and it was kind of a linear storyline where the sun came out, the father stayed in. Well, the son inherits the arcade that his father got sucked in through to the world of Tron and his existence is still there and he goes and tries to save him. Of course he doesn't. But spoilers. Sorry if you never watched the second Tron movie, but it is awesome because it's a virtual universe where people, if you get sucked into it, you can stay almost indefinitely.


    I've never actually seen Tron, either of them. None of them. Oh, my God.


    Let's see, I'm looking at it. There's a lot of anime that apparently are on. How about we take us back, take you all the way back to Spy Kids? I remember Spy Kids was a big one, especially the 3D one that they did because that had a lot of that because that brings two of the concepts we've kind of talked about is in real life 3D aspect where you're wearing at the time the red and the blue glasses in the theater and things are coming at you and you feel like you're there based off of visual cues as well as inside of the movie. They're going into that virtual reality. Yeah, that was a long time ago. Holy. I'm taking you back another way back. When is The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest? It was a Hannah Barbera broadcast on the Cartoon Network. And Johnny Quest was a computer whiz that battled criminals in real life, but also primarily in a virtual world. And then we had another one that was based on a Simulac robot virtualreality was VR Troopers made by Saban, who also created Power Rangers. So this didn't last as long, obviously, because it's not as well known as Power Rangers. But yeah, that was another one that I remember from back in the day. But anyway, back to the Metaverse side of it versus just the virtual reality side, because like I was saying earlier, we have as far as games and the first concepts of a virtual social environment is VR chat, where you can run around with your own avatar that you either create, buy, or just use other people's and you can switch between them. And with that, you have a social space where you can be anybody. And that's one of the things that we were talking about during our mental health episode. What was that two episodes ago now? I think so. And where you could just be anybody and you could be what you want, how you wanted, and there was almost no limits. Look, however you want, Act however you want. But talking about the metaver side with the virtual property sales, there is a thing that is currently active right now, and it says Alpha season two is open and it's called Sandbox or the Sandbox. So it's Sandbox game Alpha two. And then if you put register in front of Sandbox, it'll bring you to the home page. That actually explains the Sandbox. For those of us in Twitch, I can show you right here. So this is the registry page for the Sandbox. Looks very Minecraft esque, but they have a video. I mean, I'm not going to play the sound to blow everybody's eardrums, but what it is like with the million dollar homepage is virtual plots of land that you can buy with cryptocurrency, in a sense. And I'm sure this will go into very big details as far as how you purchase these piece of land. But you can physically like Minecraft, build your own piece of property, whether it be a house, a business or a theme park. And you can do whatever you want with this space. And it's a social space where you can sit there and do remotes like everything else. For those of you watching right now, you can hold concerts. I believe, if I remember correctly, Sandbox was the platform where they held a virtual concert with Justin Bieber. And people pay real money to access this concert. I believe that, yeah. It's like a robloxminecraftesque aesthetic to it. So that's the look and the feel of it. But you buy a plot of land and you build whatever the fuck you want to. Wasn't there another one that didn't online concert like that? Honestly, I don't know. Is it Marshmallow? Oh, yeah. Marshmallow did it on Mine. No, fortnight. Oh, on Fortnite. That's right. Fortnite concert. Fortnite. Marshmallow concert was the biggest games was the game's biggest event ever. Interesting. Yeah. It's like right here, you can buy non fungible tokens, which again is the NFT in Sandbox is what I'm talking about. And they're minted by a blockchain for digital scarcity, security and authenticity. So once it's created, it can be bought and traded with cryptocurrencies or real money.


    They're trying to make it a thing like right here, it says Sandbox is sponsored by Snoop Dogg, the Walking Dead. Adidas. The South China Morning Post Avenge Seven Fold. Atari not our Atari. Atari game system. Deadmouse roller coaster tycoon. Hell's Kitchen. Hell's Kitchen. Oh, my goodness. The Smurfs and Care Bears are all licensed for this realm. If you want to check it out, that is register sandbox game Alpha to play. Now enter the sandbox open. I'm actually going to look at this and see what it looks like. That's a sketchy transition.


    Okay. Due to an unsafe site, meta password then. Oh, you can log in with your socials, Facebook, Twitter or Google with your social, like your Social Security number. No social media. Oh, okay. And apparently you have to buy cryptocurrency to access this place too. Interesting. I don't know about that. And they have their own currency. Apparently. That looks fun. It's called sand, but it looks like coins. Sand. And there's a whole marketplace where you can buy NFTs. Holy shit. Fuck


    this three stack house, which looks like shipping containers, is 3360 sand or that's definitely what it is. It's three shipping containers. But look at the USG price for this fucked up home that is $10,900 USA. Well, you're the only one that will have that. Yeah, very true. But I'm sorry, shipping containers is not worth people may have paid more for less granite.


    Granted. Or granted. Granted, two real shipping containers, which would actually six shipping containers. What looks like as far as the divisions on them. But two real shipping containers that you could turn into a home is going to cost you about 7000 USD to be bought and delivered because I think they're about three. But that's real life. Yeah, that's real life. This is virtual, but roughly $25 USD. You can buy a bakery house.


    Bakery. Like a gingerbread house looking thing. Yeah. So this is the 3D view of it. No, it's a baking house. Like it's a bakery. Okay. Single room. It looks very gingerbread house like. Yeah. So this could be yours for 25 USD in the sandbox. Just $25. Yes. $25.33. I've never quite looked at something and said I want to live there virtually. Yeah. A diamond axe. Oh, you can buy a diamond battle axe or I say diamond, but a very Minecraftesque for $68 USD. That's it. 68. Yeah.


    Wow. Or pieces to houses. You can build your own, an avatar, a whole avatar, a whole woman. And buy. Oh, you can buy women on here. Yeah. Apparently. Cyberpunk jellyfish. No copies available for sale at this point. Blue whale. I want a great white shark. Yeah. So apparently these are no more copies available of these. So yeah, somebody bought it. You can't make it in NF. T. If you're going to make more than one. True. It's already owned. Yeah. The concept is that. But it looks like it's the only whole ass fucking whale too. Man, that would be so cool. I would go into a world and just ride a whale, put a little saddle on it. Yeah, right. Cowboy hat with a fucking whale. Oh, God. Made a yacht. A couple of yachts, it looks like. So the creator of this whale made a yacht or two. Yachts. A sunken ship. Sunken ship? Yeah, a yacht ladder. Wow. It's the only one in existence. But he made it. What does he have for sale? Let's see what kind of prices this guy is running. Oh, he has nothing for sale right now. Oh, darn. They're all bought up. You lost your chance on that yacht ladder. Yes, that yacht ladder. And you lost your chance on that whale. Only I'm going to take that silence for agreement to everything. You know,

    I can't hear any of that. I think you're trying to gross me out with your chewing. And I didn't try.


    Anyway. All right, we're going to get that meat. Yeah, that's definitely going back. That's definitely going back into the podcast. I'm not taking that out now, just so you eat that meat.

    It's duck in my teeth. What teeth I have left. You got a lot of meat in your teeth. Yeah, I put the meat in my mouth. It's all the way in the back of your mouth. It's down my throat now. Oh, yeah.

    Anyway, you did that really good. How do you know we won't discuss that? Yeah, I feel like I made you blush. Look at that. Anyway, all right, so back to the actual topic at hand, the Metaverse. What is the Metaverse?

    In the first half we were talking about a lot of different things dealing with video games, movies, concepts that have already been presented to include sandbox, which is utilizing the idea or the jump start of the Metaverse with virtual property real estate, where you buy plots of virtual land and build whatever the fuck you want to on it. So we've got virtual reality is considered a jumping point into the Metaverse where you can spend your time kind of like ready player one. And from there we talked about already established concepts of a virtual environment that is not necessarily just a social space, but an allaround inclusive world in its own right, from Tron to TV shows, episodes within Black Mirror, one of the shows that I have seen called Kiss Me First and Just Moving in those types of concepts. Now there is an acclaimed techie like newsbloggermagazine called The Wire or Wired. Now I think they took Z off and added a D, whatever it's called Wired. And they did a little blog post by trying to give proper reference here Eric Ravenscraft talking about what is the Metaverse exactly as the title of his article. And he's got a few questions stabled out with ideas that he has posted with references from Mark Zuckerberg, Satan Nadali and Google about Facebook talking, how Zuckerberg wants to pull out the official Metaverse kind of thing. But what he does talk about is what does Metaverse even mean? And the way he describes it here is mentally replace the phrase the Metaverse in a sentence with cyberspace. So instead of saying the Metaverse, you can refer to it more as cyberspace. That's an easier way to think of it, I guess. Yeah. So not cyberspace like you think when it comes to the Internet, but a physical or physical like space or area in the cyber world. 90% of the time. This is quoting the article 90% of the time. Where did it go? I lost my meaning won't substantially change that's because the term doesn't really refer to any one specific type of technology. So, like, we were saying, that not necessarily met averse referencing VR or virtual reality, but other aspects as well, but rather a broad shift in how we interact with this technology. And that's where places like the Sandbox are trying to take it, with virtual real estate plots in a Minecraft esque world. And then, of course, NFTs where you have digital artwork or digital images that are like gifts, JPEGs, and they are those items, but there is only one of them. And the consistency of one of them is they're using the same method of transfer of funds and objects or physical digital media the same way they do cryptocurrency with what's called a blockchain. And we'll get into the physical definition of that here in a second, but entirely possible that the term itself eventually became just as antiquated, even as the specific technology it once described became commonplace. And then there was another spot down here is one that I missed. What does this one say? That Fortnite is the Metaverse would be a bit like saying Google is the Internet. Okay, fair enough. I like that reference, because when most people think of the Internet, they go straight to Google to access it. But other such companies, including Nvidia, Unity and Roblox, which is a child social space, kind of like Minecraft, but with social environment where kids can go or adults and just hang out or even Snap. Snapchat, I guess, is considered a virtual environment. Interesting. I don't think so. It's social media. I don't know. It kind of depends on I'm trying to think of a way that I can spin it as being a virtual. I mean, it's a virtual environment because you're having a conversation and you can send pictures or change your face. Yeah. Based off of filters. But if we're going to go in that way, a lot of different platforms use filters. Oh, yeah. You can talk about TikTok, you can talk about Facebook Messenger, you can talk about Instagram and those aspects as well, because they all do typically the same thing. But meta still not getting it. Meta by itself. The word meta in the reference it's talking about is Facebook just rebranded by Mark Zuckerberg. Think it will include fake houses? Well, I say it says fake and underlining, being that they are digital homes or digital structures. Not necessarily homes, not tangible. Yeah. Because they are nonfungible, which means non tangible. But anyway, you can invite all your friends to to hang out in Microsoft Teams, or Microsoft has done something with virtual meeting rooms in the Teams platform that they have now expanded to as well and actually added a lot of cool upgrades with. I don't know if I would consider that a virtual environment. Well, as far as the classroom, in very restrictive terms, it is a virtual environment. Again, very restrictive because it is I use it for work, a webcam, and they can cut out your little, I guess, profile and put it in a fake classroom of sorts. Can you do that, though? Yes, absolutely. I've never seen it that way. I've only used it in the conversation, like video chatting in general. Yeah. The different uses. So I had to use this is how we did our virtual classes in the military was Teams, Microsoft Teams, and the later versions before things kind of switched around with the military contract and Microsoft to its current platform and current versions, you could be a part of a webcam. So whatever webcam, whether it be a laptop webcam, an external webcam, a camera, or you're on your phone, you could do a digital green screen background, and then your silhouettes would cut out and be pasted in the crudest of ways, like worst of ways, and be placed in a digital classroom or 2D classroom where you'd sit University style and like an amphitheater seating kind of aesthetic. So that was interesting. Let's see. Holograms are becoming a thing again because Holograms were big in the early 90s, and now they're apparently making a comeback with AR. So augmented reality versus VR, which is virtual reality. There are a lot of tech companies that are using the concept of augmented reality glasses that allow you to see a digital environment mixed in with the real environment. So you could sit there kind of Tony Stark style, pick up something off of a desk which really isn't there in the tangible world and move it around, Zoom it in, Zoom it out, all that kind of crap. Make it big, make it small, move around this 3D space, but still see everything around you. Well, that's like the episode of Black Mirror that I was talking about. Okay. The ability to see. So in a sense, they do that with Pokemon Go while you're doing it, you can take pictures of the Pokemon in the real world.

    Yeah. And so that actually Pokemon. Of course, Pokemon Go was not the first to come up with it, but they were the first that I've seen. Yeah. To put it in the hands of the general consumer. That was definitely an advancement, thanks to a game that was put out there, of course, with different types of concepts. We have magical erasers that you can augment photos very quickly versus pulling up Photoshop and tediously editing out certain things. 3d generated models, voice controlled objects, foldable phones. I mean, I have one my damn self. I have the fold, too, and it's freaking awesome. I love it. Can't wait to upgrade to the next one so I can have a stylist to it. And then what does it look like right now? And as some of the people on Twitch can see right here is the Metaverse replaced the phrase what I was talking about. Instead of saying Metaverse, you say cyberspace. Cyberspace. Yeah. But NFT's, of course, non fungible tokens or digital artwork or digital land space. I say land with massive air quotes here. But digital real estate and digital artwork have become a thing of right now's. Trend NFT's are extremely popular right now. And with that consideration, of course, the only way to purchase these different NFTs are cryptocurrency. Now, there are probably some smaller companies that allow for you to use your credit card or some type of digital wallet that uses USD transfers on the digital platform. But primarily, most transactions with NFDS are cryptocurrency. A lot of Ethereum, Bitcoin, what was at one point popular Dogecoin, but now it's kind of falling off. That was, I think, what really started the huge cryptocurrency surge. Yeah, that's what I mean. I know it was there before. Yeah. Bitcoin has been around. I didn't hear about it until, like, I didn't really start to hear about it with, like, everybody I know until Bitcoin blew up quite a bit. Let me look at that. But it didn't become mainstream blow up. So Bitcoin was officially the first known cryptocurrency. And let me see if I can find something on it. Well, currently, one full Bitcoin, by the way, cryptocurrency is not traded or exchanged like regular physical currency. So you can have one full Bitcoin in your wallet, but you will have the equivalent of 41,000 USD right this second as of March 17 at 02:35 A.m., it's been as high as. Let's see, let's the last year, the highest it's been since. All right, so the time span that I'm currently looking at, if you're watching on Twitch, is from March 17, 2021 to today, which is 22. So one full year time, the highest it's been is $67,582.60 for one Bitcoin. And that was on November 8 of 2021. And it actually looks like that was also the peak over its lifespan. So if you would have bought into Bitcoin back in February of 2016, you could have bought one Bitcoin for $375. And right now it would be worth $41,000 if you held onto it. That's rough. Yeah. Just imagine buying it in Bitcoin back when it was $327 in 2015. Gosh, if I could go back in time, I wouldn't get the winning lottery numbers and get Bitcoin. I'd buy into Bitcoin. I'd buy into Tesla. Oh, my God. Tesla. Yes. Granted, the stocks on Tesla, I think when they first came out was still up there, but it wasn't. What about Google? Oh, God, Google. Ethereum. I actually bought into Ethereum back when it started. Do you know what that is? It's another cryptocurrency. Okay, let's see. Let's look at the value right now. All right. So as of right now, Ethereum, which is the second most notarized or known cryptocurrency, is only valued at $2,770 as of today. For one Ethereum digital currency, the highest in the last year was $4,800. And Max overall looks like about the same. Yes. So $4,800 was its highest peak on also November 8 of 2021. They probably did this survey about the same time. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a stock market style pricing on it got you at one point. I think it was early 2000s when cryptocurrency, especially Bitcoin, Ethereum and Litecoin were the three main that I was always aware of. Those were being talked about as the future of currency to standardized currency throughout the world. It gets mined, I guess you could say, like a precious metal, and it's considered a glitch in Internet coding that is Aigenerated. But as it's found with a particular string of code to it, that it goes away like it's not a forever thing. So that's why it was given a price value. So as it gets depleted, in a sense, like gold, silver from its original or which is the Internet code that makes up the Internet, as it gets depleted, the value goes up.


    Yeah. The rarity of it. Just like with anything, the less there is of it, the more valuable it is. Yeah. Okay. So even if that were the case and. Oh, yeah, I forgot I was going to look up what blockchain was because that's the way that it is confirmed, I guess.


    Blockchain. Blockchain, as far as how cryptocurrency and these EFT transactions are made, is a blockchain is a distributed database that people on the Internet monitor and confirm or deny, usually in an AI fashion. But it is a database which is shared among nodes of computer networks. So people actually control these things. And the database, a blockchain stores information electronically in a digital format best known for their crucial role in cryptocurrency systems such as Bitcoin, for maintaining and securing decentralized records of transactions. So unlike your banks that hold your money and when you transfer money via a wire or digitally over an app or what have you, I. E. Instead of going directly to the bank, pulling out the cash, and then going to a store and using that for your credit, instead, you got credit cards and apps now on your phone. So instead of a centralized bank that could lie about or take your money and just lie to you about what you own. Hence why the USD is going down in value throughout the world. This is a decentralized so multiple people confirm a transaction digitally and it's recorded forever. So if I say I want to give you two bitcoins. Okay, done. I'll take it everybody heard it. I don't have it. So don't get excited. But what it would do is that transaction code or digital signature would go to, say 50 or so different network computers that would confirm that one, if I even have two full bitcoins and say, yes, I have Joker has two bitcoins. And you said you didn't, though. I'm saying, though, this is how it works. These network computers would have to confirm it first before the transaction commences. So, for instance, they find out I would have it, and I say I'm transferring it to you. Well, okay, then they have your account as far as where it's being transferred to. And it would be transferred. It would be taken from mine. My total account of cryptocurrency would then be changed on this network, and then yours would be increased by two Bitcoin. And now it says you have two instead of zero, and I would have zero instead of two. And it's multiple networks working together to confirm that transaction. So there's no lying or tomfoolery that could happen to say, oh, no, he didn't really transfer it, but he just said he did. So your accounts changed. That doesn't work like that. So the same thing goes with NFTs and of course, cryptocurrency. So if you want to look at what I'm looking at, I am using Investopedia, which talks about blockchains and cryptocurrencies and how it works, and that is Investopedia.com termsblockchain. Of course, all the references that we use in this podcast will be in the Show Notes for our audio listeners as well. So if you want to check it out later when you're in a safe place that you can get on the Internet on your phone or what have you, you can just go to the Show Notes on whatever platform you're listening to us on. And these websites that we use are listed there as well.


    Yeah, it got really quiet. I might actually leave that blank space in there just for suspense. Like, did it shut off on me? What's going on here? Okay, so I guess we're getting to the end of our time. So we'll finish off with your personal opinion and thoughts based on what we talked about. Als, what does the Metaverse actually look like to you? It looks exactly like ready, player one? I love it. I love everything about it. I like the idea of being able to go in and customize when he's in there and he's like, well, this is what I looked like until. I don't want to look like that anymore. I can literally change anything about me. I can hang out with my friends at a club and dance in the air on a disco lit up floor. And then the next minute I'm pulling a motorcycle out of my inventory and it grows big and I'm just zooming down the streets. I love that idea. I would be terrified for the horror aspect of it. I don't think I could do it. Couldn't do it. So if and when you ever do get VR, you have to let me know because there's still an experience in the horror horror genre. Horror genre that I want to experience. And that's Five Nights at Freddy's. Oh, my God. I know. I have a hard time with just, like, Phasmo, and I've played it so many. I have a hard time, like Dead by Daylight. Sometimes I get scared. I got to say that's me looking at the screen. Bioshock is one of my favorite games. I can't play it on my computer because it's too close to my face to kind of explain. Like, of course you play VR chat. Typically, you play it in VR. You don't have to. You can still play it on a regular monitor, keyboard and mouse. And Phasmophobia. When I went into VR on Phasmophobia for the first time, it revitalized the fear that I had. I already have fear, but I got numb to the regular I say 2D, but the monitor version of the regular version of Phasmo. But when I played it in VR, Holy shit. Was it ever. It was just as scary as the first time I jumped into it. But with that fear, like I said, in VR, it simulates that fear because it looks, in some of these games, very real. But one of the cool things about VR for me, that one of the best experiences, actually. I want to say in closing, as far as an interactive universe was Halflife Alex, like, I streamed the entire game. It took me, I think, eight and a half hours of total play time in VR. This game is solely VR. This was the game that I bought VR for. A lot of people bought it for pizza. I had PlayStation VR for that. But Halflife Alex was so immersive that I actually lost myself in this game. All right, so you know how you have the toilet toothbrush thingies that have the little thing that they sit on you scrub your toilet when it gets a little stained after so long? You said toilet toothbrush. And that really threw me for a second. But the toilet scrub brush. Yeah, the toilet scrub brush. That's different than I call it the toothbrush, because that's fine. It threw me. Yeah. So I was hiding in a bathroom because it was part of an apartment structure that you move through during part of the story. And there's actually a clip still on my personal channel of me interacting with this. Like, I can lift the individual seats. I remember this. And then I reached down and grabbed the toilet brush, and I'm thinking, okay, yeah, because it's still got the base attached to it, but I kind of shake it, just fucking with it, waving it around, and the fucking base falls off. And I'm like, what? Holy shit. Like, you could see my interactions. I'm so excited. Like, I'm jerking in excitement, and I'm like, this is fucking cool.


    That to me made that game worth the $60. That one moment in the game, outside of the fact that the environment is very perception realistic, especially if you have stereo headphones like dynamic headphones that do the I guess it's 8D or eight dimensional sound. Oh, my God, it was the best experience I could say. Granted, it hurts standing up. You better have some comfortable fucking shoes or a comfortable fucking floor if you're going to stand up and do it. But doing that NVR. Oh my God, it was an amazing experience. Playing that game. Shooting was very realistic. You had to actually aim down the sites to get distance, precision shots with that. So if the mechanics of that game translate to an open world experience in a social environment, I'm all in. I don't think we're that far off from that. Really. We're not. I mean, from my experience in different games, I mean, hell, even something as cheap and free as VR chat like, you can transfer worlds, meet people. Like, there are people that have met in VR chat that have become real life lovers. It's phenomenal. That's an interesting concept. Oh, there's plenty of YouTubes where people have met and then planned after because they met prior to or during COVID. And as soon as COVID released, they were planning on meeting in person because they were dating because of like during VR chats. Yeah, I guess we're kind of in that day and age where people are meeting online, informing that bond prior to so again, thank you to everybody listening on the audio side with the podcast on all the different platforms, which Spotify, Apple Podcast or itunes, Radio Public, Red Circle, which is our RSS host. Also, if you want to, you can go over to Red Circle and help the channel out. Help the podcast out by doing a subscription or well, not yet. Hold on, let me rephrase this. Not yet on the subscription because I haven't set up exclusive subscription based payment method. But you can absolutely support our channel that way by donating to the channel. And everything that we get goes back into the channel itself, either helping pay any body to help us, which we are still looking for a transcriber. No one has reached out Madhouse@nlmp.org audition for the position of transcriber and it is a paid position. So if you do well, you will get raises and it is paid by each recording. So as you do well and continue to do well and we get more money in, we will pay you more. I say we, but I will pay you more. We are again on Red Circle, Apple Podcast, Spotify, Google Podcast and the Stitcher. So please go listen to us on your favorite platform. If it is available on that platform, please give us a like and a review. Let us know how we're doing. Also, you can check us out on Twitter, where we are at Mhpgroup Therapy on Twitter, and then of course on Twitch where we do our live recordings every Wednesday night at 09:00 p.m.. Eastern time. That is us Eastern time at Twitch. Tv the madhousepodcast and then of course on our individual channels Owls is over at alzarhoot 92 on Twitch and I am NLMP and we also have a wonderful sponsor warrioraxcoffee. You can find them@warrioraxcoffee.com also. I believe if you look for them on TikTok they're there Facebook, Instagram and on Twitter as well where they rarely are talking but I'm trying to get them back into it but it is simply just axe coffee on Twitter. Ow what do you want to say? Anything you want to let them know if you are anywhere else that you're willing to share other than Twitch Instagram, same handle. Tiktok, same handle. Owls are 92. I kind of post a few things here and there. Tried to put a picture or two so you know what my face looks like on a regular day. Yeah, I failed to post to my Instagram often. I think my last post was when I got the Corsair RGB mini the K. What is it? K 65? It is a just get that. Yeah, I just got it. I used it for the first time last time I posted but that was like a day or two ago. Yeah, that was literally a day or two ago and that's NLMP gaming on Instagram and official NLMP on which I haven't posted to that at all recently. I haven't been so good at the TikTok I got a bunch of clips that I got to grab and actually post. Yeah, I do have things I just haven't put them up the most I've done recently. To add outside of adding things for the podcast channel and my personal channel I finally added a Twitch trailer to my personal channel so if you haven't seen that yet, go check that out. I think I did well without real music. All clips. All clips. All clips.




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    But yeah. So Bobby, again, this was absolutely spur of the moment and I greatly appreciate you working with me and setting this up. Downloading discord for the first this time so we could do this. I did it and even got it functioning. That's even better that I was able to download it, get it to work. We actually got to have a conversation before this all started. I got AirPods in and they're working. Right. Fancy, right. This could get out of control from a technology standpoint here really quick. I don't know if I'm going to be able to handle this, not having a technology overload. I hear you. Yeah. And actually, right before I text you and right before you text me and said you had it downloaded and I told you I was going to have an email to you with questions, I literally just sat there for five minutes like, fuck, what are we going to talk about? So I was like, scribble, scribble, scribble. I am sure that regardless of any questions that you previously sent me, we would have something or could come up with something to talk about. Oh, absolutely. Me and Alex have had our fair share of what the fuck moments, so I've had to come up with shit off the spur of my hip at times. Like if you go back and listen to our pilot episode, that was a shit storm and a half. Oh my God, it was amazing. I totally get where you're coming from. In the podcast that I've done in the past to say we scheduled guests would be they would do a disservice to the term of scheduling. But yeah, it was pretty much, hey, we're going to put a microphone in front of you and let's go. We've had the kids on ours. We've had anything from Green Berets and Marines all the way to and you can imagine how that goes when you get a couple of army and Marine guys together at the same time. God damn. Were those five hour podcasts? Pretty much. Pretty much. There was a lot of post editing that went into that just to try and get it so we could post it. And welcome to the Madhouse Presents Group Therapy, where we talk about games, argue about our different viewpoints, dive into the strange or whatever we decide in the moment. Sadly, Owls is not here. She needs the rest. But I am Joker, your other host, the other half of MHP. And today we are joined by our podcast sponsor, Bobby Alman, who is owner of Warrior Acts Coffee.

    Thank you for having me. It's greatly appreciated to be here. I prefer the term of I'm the hmfic Corrier Coffee because I have the HBIC, who is also the other side of that. So we run this as a tandem team group and this question was asked to me, I think it was a week ago I gave a presentation about Warrior ask coffee. And there were some people who didn't quite understand the term of hmfic. Yes, please elaborate. Or the HBIC. I had to explain both of those terms. So I'll do the PG version first. Okay. The hmfic is the head military figure in charge. That would be the politically correct way of putting that for the rest of the world. That's the head motherfucker in charge. And then the HBI. See, I was going to say and see, we aren't very PG here. We do cuss the only thing, of course, military keep it within EO and sharp and we're good. You got it. Continue. Oh, yeah. I was giving this presentation to a business networking group, so obviously I had to you had to censor yourself.

    Okay. The sentence enhancers and those kinds of things can't come flow quite as freely as you would like them to at times. Oh, yeah. And then the HBIC. See, for the PG people is the head bitch in charge.

    Right. For the rest of us, that's the head bitch in charge. And if you want to know how the ranking structure and that goes, the HMFIC definitely is number two on that totem pole. That's a little bit about the background on my title as far as things are concerned. Yeah. Definitely a smart man here that plans to keep his balls intact, ladies and gentlemen. Trying I get in enough trouble on my own. I don't need anybody else's help. Just for all of those out there in cyber world. I hear you. Well, Bobby, thank you again. For those in audio world that will be hearing a slightly edited version of this, I guess you could call it an interview. Yeah. This sit down with our podcast sponsor again, Bobby Almond. We talked previously and it was interesting. I mean, we got you at the spur of the moment. Again, Al needed a break and she's joining us in chat. But as far as the podcast and then life gets in the way occasionally and I told her, you know what? Take a break. It's fine. I'll figure something out. If anything, we'll just put it off a week. Who knows? Speaking of putting off a week, we were initially going to do a giveaway for one of the extra pounds of coffee because I am an idiot and did not correlate 16oz to a pound. That'll be fun. You need to listen to that part of last episode. But we do have the extra pound of coffee here that we will be giving away to one lucky viewer who is following all three Twitch channels. My personal channel, NLMP Owls channel Owls are Hoot 92 and obviously the podcast channel, the Madhouse Podcast. So that will actually be happening next week where we will basically gather all the information and make sure you're following all three channels to be put in the running for the giveaway next week during the live recording of episode eight. As long as everything runs smoothly, but yes. So we got Bobby and I messaged him. I think it was like 06:00 P.m. Last night, or at least I thought it was 06:00 P.m.. Who knows? It may have been a lot later than that, but then we got you. Time is relative. Yeah. What is time anyway? Right, right. So you messaged me back today and we threw some stuff back and forth. What I want to start with is who are you? And basically, what did you do before Warrior Axe Coffee? Who I am is kind of a complicated question. If we want to get into the theory and all of that stuff that will take up way more time and probably bore your listeners to death. But who I am is I am a regular, everyday guy who spent nearly two decades as a law enforcement officer here in South Carolina. And about four years ago, my father is a disabled vet from Vietnam. We were sitting around in his garage one night, like all brilliant ideas seem to happen with some adult beverages, I'm sure. Yeah, it was a bottle of whiskey. Hell, yeah. And we got to talking about coffee and what makes a good coffee and where do you get good coffee? And some of the other big name companies that are out there and how they got started and some of them, how they managed to charge as much as they do for shitty coffee. Well, halfway through that bottle, next thing, I'm on the phone with a plantation owner in Central America and Guatemala, as a matter of fact, trying to figure out how the hell you get raw coffee beans and what you got to do to turn them from a very raw product into the finished product that we know is coffee in the United States. Well, actually, coffee throughout the world. You can imagine how that conversation goes with a guy who's a half bottle into whiskey and doesn't know very much Spanish. I mean, I can order a beer and I can ask where the bathroom is, and I can tell Juan where the library is at. That's about it.

    While I'm doing this, my dad is researching Roasters. Well, how do you roast coffee? And neither of us at the time had any idea how deep that rabbit hole went. And if there's any coffee aficionados that are watching or listening, they can probably give you some insight into this, the rest of you some insight into this. But that rabbit hole goes very deep. If you thought there were a lot of flavors of beer, you haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to coffee. And I was very novice in this. I mean, as a guy who drank coffee, look, I work night shift, right? We drank a lot of coffee and we drank a lot of shitty gas station coffee. But I didn't know it was shitty coffee at the time. I didn't, right. Until I had good coffee. The flavor profiles on what you can get from coffee. Just absolutely astounded me and blew me away. We ended up getting half a dozen sample pounds of raw coffee beans. So we could start to try and figure out how to roast these things and these different flavor profiles and what works for a good bean. Even just trying to figure out what kind of roast somebody wants. You know, we're used to walking in the grocery store and you grab your Folgers off the shelf and that's that okay. But there's a whole lot more to that. There's a whole lot more to the grind. This ended up being a learning experience that both of us had no idea what we were getting into. But three quarters of the way into that bottle, we had coffee Roasters on the way and raw coffee beans on the way. And I guess the rest is kind of history. I incorporated in limited liability Incorporated somewhere around September or October of 2018 is when I formed the business. And when I formed the business, it was actually kind of twofold, which is one of those things we were going to get into a little bit later that we talked about. But my background is primarily in fitness and training, so I was very novice when it comes to coffee side of things. So I formed this business called off at LLC, with the idea that I was going to continue along the lines of doing my training from a lot of different aspects. I do tactical training, I do fitness training, those kinds of things that kind of coincide with my background as far as a ten year SWAT operator, work, gang unit work, narcotics, those kinds of things, and then transitioned into the education side of things when I was an instructor at the Academy, the police Academy. So I thought I would kind of combine these things all under one business and try to run them as two separate businesses. What I found out at the time. So I had all fit coffee and I had all fit physiques, which was the training side of things. What I found out is that a lot of people thought my coffee was some kind of fitness coffee, so they were afraid to try the coffee because they thought this was some kind of to not go off on too many tangents. But the misnomers when it comes to nutrition and physical training and steroids and all of those things that come together, if you listen to the media, look, you've got no idea how that whole ballgame works. I'll just throw that one out there right there. It's not as easy as sticking a needle in your ass and then suddenly you're this monster. It doesn't work that way. But people have this impression that that's what the coffee was. I got you. So I had to end up kind of coming up with some brainstorming ideas and making sure I could separate those two businesses out. And that's where the warrior act side of things came from, so that I could differentiate that from the training side of things. And the warrior in the acts again kind of comes back to background and what my primary target market was at the time, it still is. Yeah, I cater both sides of my business a lot to first responders to veterans and to active duty military personnel because that's where my heart lies. My wife's got 21 years in the military. She's an e eight right now. My dad's retired while he's a disabled vet from Vietnam. All of my uncles, for the most part. And we come from a good Catholic family, so you can imagine how deep that goes. All of them have served at some capacity along the lines. Both my grandfathers were World War II veterans. So this kind of service above self thing kind of comes into play quite a bit. And that's where a lot of that background came from. When I formed the company, I kind of followed a model that black ride and coffee company came out with. And their initial idea was they wanted to employ 10,000 bedrooms. That was why they formed the business. That's what they want to do. They succeeded in that goal. Mine was a little bit different. I never have, and I don't have the aspirations to become the size company that they have. That just comes with headaches that I don't want. But I definitely wanted to give back to those people who selflessly serve to us. What we came up with when we formed this company is that a portion of all of our sales were going to go to veterans or first responder organizations. And then another part of that was that we were going to donate to cancer research organizations as well. Anybody who ever goes on my website, you will find out that you've got two different options on there that you can choose from. I don't have a lot of flavors as far as coffee is concerned. I keep it real simple, stupid. I apply that Kiss model to everything I do in business, but there are a couple of options, and one of those used to be the Gary Cinis Foundation. It's now the big red Barn Retreat, which happens to be a part of the Gary Cenese Foundation. The reason I wanted to go with Gary Cinise in the first place was because, well, first of all, it's Lieutenant Dan, so how can you go wrong with that? You just can't. On top of that, Gary Senise, of all the organizations that give to first responders and military organizations, almost every dollar that goes to him in a donation standpoint ends up going back out to veterans, military and first responders, where a lot of other companies you kind of got to worry about. Well, how is the CEO of a nonprofit organization making 510, 15, $20 million a year where is all that money coming from? That's the donations that you're given to them that you thought were going to pick one. And I'm not going to call anybody out on that. I know exactly which foundation or what foundation you're talking about. Right. That's why I went with Gary. And what I had found out not too long ago is that there was a company here local to where you and I are at, which is called the Big Red Barn Retreat. It's just down the road from where I am. It's in Richland County. But what they offer is a program called the Warrior Path. And what the Warrior Path is actually an 18 month program, but seven days of that, it's a seven day stretch initially that you end up doing is dedicated to post traumatic growth. People of our background understand training. We don't understand getting help because what we do is provide help. Yeah. So for people in our positions to go to your chain of command and say shit ain't right up here, I need help. That doesn't happen. That's why we have the 22 a day. That's why we have all these things that are going on, because that's not something we do. We provide the help. We don't ask for it. So what the Warrior Path is, is that it's a training program. And how often do you go to training in your daily life? How often did I go to training? That's what we do, right? Yeah. We go to trainings all the time. So what The Warrior Path is about is it's about training people to deal with their post traumatic stress and how to grow from that. And it's done here locally, and it's available to veterans, to active duty military to pass first responders and active first responders. I couldn't think of a better place if I'm going to give a donation to try and help people than to something like that. Yeah. So we kind of shifted gears as far as that's concerned and went directly to them. They were already getting funding from the Gary Cities Foundation. This is just a way for us us to try and give a little bit more back to them. And that's not just open to people here in South Carolina. That program is open nationwide, and it's completely free for those people who are accepted into the program. They are flown in, they are housed, they are fed, they go through the training program. All of that is completely free. So that kind of fits with our mission as far as what my wife and I were trying to do. As far as I don't want to say branding, because it's not a branding thing. It's just something that's near and dear to our heart. We want to make sure that we're giving a little something back to those people who have laid it all in line for us. Yeah, absolutely. Those who led the way. Absolutely. Right. And then what that did is it also kind of where the other side of that comes into it's kind of dumb luck that I ended up getting involved in this program. But somewhere around 20 08, 20 09, as a member of the police Department, local police Department here, we got invited to be part of this fundraising event called St. Baldricks. And what St. Baldrick is for those people who don't understand it, it is a childhood cancer research organization who very similar to the Gary Sinise Foundation, almost like $0.99 out of every dollar. And I'm probably off a little bit on that. But the vast majority of the money that is collected by this organization actually goes to childhood cancer research. Yes. At the time I was talking. Yeah. So with St. Baldwick's, especially, I love the program. I've been following it for many years. Matter of fact, one of the first times I actually chose to shave my headball when I actually had hair was roughly about, I want to say 2009 or ten when we still had some sports bars open that are no longer open in downtown Columbia, where they did it at Vista. Yeah. Where they did it every year. Yeah. That's exactly where I got into it at. And I got my head shaved for the first time. I actually cried happy tears because they had some children that would directly benefit from that particular fundraiser who were in need. And it was wonderful to see that it actually went directly to someone that really needed and they had proof of it. And what they were saying at the time, it was roughly $0.98 of every dollar was going to the actual program, to the actual children to pay their bills to help their families that don't necessarily have the funding to put their child through that. Right. So even after care in that aspect, as far as when they leave the hospital from receiving the treatment, they're assisting these families with the proper care that the child or infant or whatever, I think it was up to 17 or 18, I believe, is what they cover. Right. And with after care, particular foods, betting, laundry, transportation, everything. And the other two cent on every dollar goes to them being able to fund these types of benefits that they do to help rent out locations. And whatnot most everybody that participates as a vendor is voluntary. They don't ask for money. They don't get paid. Anybody who's part of the program doesn't get paid during these events. So everything goes to a purpose and it is not wasted and it doesn't go in anybody's pockets. Right. And I'm right there with you. That's one of the things that I absolutely loved about the organization and the kind of backtrack a little bit here. The reason for that is my dad is a cancer warrior. He got diagnosed in 1998. He's been fighting ever since. And he hasn't not gone into remission yet. He's still fighting to this day. So that's a background on it. My mom is a stage four lung cancer survivor, never smoked a day in her life, got staged, four lung cancer aunts, uncles, things like that. So as far as cancer warriors and cancer survivors are concerned in our family, that is another aspect. And that's why we went with those two particular organizations, as far as donations from our company that we wanted to make sure that we were being a part of, as far as people who are willing to sacrifice their lives to protect our freedoms and people who had no choice in the type of disease that they have, these are the ultimate warriors. And we talked about a little bit of our Norris Pagan background on this. These are the people who go to Bajaa. Yes, absolutely. Just hands down, if you want to look at what Odin and the Valkyrie are going to come get, there's no better example of warriors than those two groups of people right there. And that's where the warrior act side of this thing kind of really starts to come into play. When I separated out those two different businesses. Look, I had my DNA done. I am right off the fucking Longboat, all right? My wife is right off the Longboat. Matter of fact, for a minute, when we got our DNA stuff back, we're like, Holy shit, can wait. We got to take this level deeper because there's a half chance we're related. Yeah, there's a lot of separation in there, so we're good to go. But that's where the warrior axis kind of comes from. And if anybody jumped on the website or anybody sees the logo, you'll notice that the logo is a coffee cup with a beard paying a little bit of homage to our Norse roots and then the two battle axes behind it. Because traditionally, that's what our Norse and Viking brethren and sisters used when it came to fight their battles. And my wife and I, that's what we exchanged at our wedding was battle act. I know you can't really see the Twitch page right now, but I do have the logo placed above you on the screen for everybody that's watching at Twitch TV, the Madhousepodcast. And then also we will be providing the links in the show notes for the audio audience. So if you want to go check it out, feel free. It'll be warrioraxcoffee.com. But yeah, no, that is awesome. And I love it. A lot of people look at me and they're like, oh, you're just a skinny white boy. Well, I mean, yes, and I'm scotchirish, but if you look at the known history right now, even the Northern Isles of Ireland, Scotland, even the Northern UK all got settled at some point by the Scandinavians. Absolutely. Really. They're adventures, their Voyagers. There's currently some debate right now that the Scandinavians were some of the first European settlers in the American continents as well. So that's even before Christopher Columbus himself said ocean blue. If we want to believe carbon dating, leaf, Ericsson founded North America. As far as Europeans are concerned now, where he landed is still up for a little bit of debate. Some people say it's Massachusetts, some people say it's up into Canada, but whatever. I mean, they're finding artifacts that are carbon dated from his voyages to the United States. Yeah, I think that was around the 900 or so, like at the height of the Viking Age. Right. Yeah. This is after they discovered Greenland and Iceland and all the stuff that took place in the seven hundreds and eight hundreds as far as the British Isles and stuff like that are concerned. But, yeah, it's a very interesting history just to kind of bring us back to gaming a little bit. Our oldest son is a huge fan of Assassin's Creed. Assassin's Creed Bahala. Yeah. That's one of the games that I have yet to finish. Sadly, I bought it as soon as it came out. And I love Assassin's Creed just simply for their ability to integrate fiction and what is known as fact in all of their franchise. I mean, if you look at it, some of the Christians have Assassins Creed to thank for the rebuilding of Notre Dame. Oh, yeah. Take a look at even popular TV shows, the TV show Vikings. Yeah. Granted, there's some creativity to that, and there are people that will say that Ragnar wasn't quite what Ragnar was portrayed in there, but I am absolutely thrilled. Even going into the Marvel universe and things like that, again, there's some artistic licenses is taken with it. But the integration of those kinds of things into modern society and giving a little bit of historical base to that stuff, I think it's a great thing as far as education and things like that, giving people a little bit of insight into what some other belief systems were prior to Christianity really becoming a powerhouse throughout the world. It's amazing for those people without getting really deep into a theological discussion here. But if you go back and take a look at a lot of things that we celebrate, as far as popular Christian holidays are concerned and things like that, they're actually integrations of pagan traditions. Yeah. And it's amazing how those things kind of line up throughout history. And it's not just Viking stuff. If you take a look at a lot of the different Odyssey, if you will, if you want to go into that, there's a lot of similarities between Greek mythology and Viking mythology and a lot of that stuff. It kind of really ends up tying together. It's really cool, especially for the younger people out there to really expand your Horizons a little bit and kind of take a look into those things and see what it's what it's about. What it's about. Yeah. It kind of opens your eyes into some things and what I like to point out, too, is that is also another reason why between myself and baby Mama, we reached out to Bobby because her and him were in connection, I think, to her brother primarily is. And then, of course, the coffee aspect, I was like, oh, okay. I looked into it. I was like, hey, ask him about this. See what he thinks about this. And he's like, yeah, sure. Why not? At least that's what I remember. How it going? Look, my memory is shot anyway. I get hit in the head a lot. It sounds about right. Yeah, that's right. In the ballpark. Absolutely. With that connection, that's how we found Bobby and reached out and asked him, hey, would you be willing to we're doing this and we would love to help a wonderful product, especially with what you are representing. Ever since I grew up on Forest Gump, Gary Sinise, of course, like you said, being Lieutenant Dan, you ain't got no legs. That's right. And then, of course, me being in the military now for 19 years, September will be my 20th inactive or just 20th service here. And I still got like five to seven active years left before I can start pulling my pension immediately instead of waiting waiting for 30 years for the inactive pension to kick in. But reading into the website and seeing the history, of course, your wife being a veteran, you being law enforcement and first responder and finding, oh, you might actually know my sister. She's been in law enforcement since 97, which she's now her and her husband both are at the Academy as well. And Lo and behold, I did. And I worked with both of them at various points throughout all of our yes, it's a small world when it comes to all that for sure. Oh, absolutely. So Alice was actually mentioning this is something as far as a first podcast subscriber exclusive, because eventually what I want to do is through Red Circle, who is our RSS host, I want to set up exclusive rewards for recurring subscribers to the audio podcast and also our Twitch channel. So being a subscriber at any tier on either platform will be an exclusive movie night where myself and Alex will go through and watch certain types of movies, whether it be gaming related or in this case, Forest Gump. We can watch that as an exclusive since it does tie into the podcast. And of course, our sponsor with Bobby talking about the Gary Sinise Foundation and the Big Red Barn Retreat. Right? Yeah, big Red Barn Retreat. You are correct. Yeah. So that could be one of our first things. Once I set up at least the first level tier on Red Circle so that that will be an option, you can go subscribe over there for a recurring price. And what I will do is match up the Red Circle to the Twitch subscriber prices so that they marry or mirror each other, at least closely. But again, everything that we own as far as subscriptions will go back into the community we'll go into helping us make the podcast better. And also, in addition to that, helping our fellow brethren in their donation goals as well, if they have anything that they want to do. So we'll actually hopefully be getting to that very soon. Yeah. Al said she loves the coffee and she's helping us out in chat with all the lovely administrative duties of talking about the giveaway. Again, we're going to push it back for anybody listening in audio, and I'll make sure I include this in the podcast itself. But also on Twitch, Twitch, Twitch. You must follow all three channels to be eligible for the three pound or 16oz of lovely dark roast. And it's got a scoop included. That was one thing that surprised the hell out of me. That's something I haven't seen yet. So, Bobby, good job on that. Including that was 100% the wife's idea on that one. She came up with that one. I said it was a great, great idea. And he executed that flawlessly. Oh, yeah. And it makes little sense. It's just not one of those things I thought about. I'm like, you need a scoop to fill up your coffee stuff. Why not? Yeah, ours is a hoodie fiend. So I was thinking about talking to you here in the near future about doing a collab design, because I also do graphic design. Like if you look on my personal channel and some of the other Madhouse streamers, a lot of the graphics I did. So I definitely want to do a collaboration between the two of us, since you have a proper merch type store. Absolutely. No, I'm all about networking. And when it comes to we're all kind of small business and entrepreneurs when it comes to this, for anybody out there. And again, I gear this towards the younger generation. But if you're looking to be self employed and become an entrepreneur and get into those things, believe me, it's a whole different world out there. And if you have aspirations of becoming rich by doing this, more power to you. I hope it works out for you. But most of us are just looking to pay our bills and survive and do what we love to do. Oh, yeah. When it comes to networking, there's nothing better. That's the name of the game when it comes to business and stuff like that. So, yeah, collabs like that and stuff I'm all for. Okay, so before we get back into the directed because, I mean, you've already answered three of my five directed questions and one that I came up with about the foundations while you were talking. So you're leading this conversation very well. You asked me one question and I gave you 56 minutes worth of content. Yeah, I'm not sure for words when it comes to that stuff. All right, so baby Mama was asking, as far as recommended for twelve cups, how many scoops do you personally recommend from your blends? Here's the deal. I don't use my scoops. I know that you just pour it in, don't you? I do. Well, here's the deal. We don't have a traditional coffee pod in the house. We actually have a Curry, but we use refillable pods for our stuff. By the way, I do offer pods for those of you out there in Twitchland. Better listening. Yeah, we do pods, but I do refillable ones because I get to control how much is in there. Actually, if you wanted to measure it out, it's probably about two and a half scoops per ten ounce cup of coffee that I put in mind. So I like mine flavorful. Yeah, if you will. Yeah. See, baby Mama, she likes to put it as a light load, and I like to pack it down, considering, because if you do like a quarter scoop, like what I just did before this drink, this is what I've been drinking is the dark roast. Anyway, I love it because like you said earlier, you mentioned Black Rifle coffee. That was my favorite brand of coffee. I tried Death Wish. I folders all of that. But Black Rifle was my favorite, especially the Blue Line blend that they have, which I think equivalent to about a medium roast. Well, I'm glad that you brought up blends. Okay, hold on. Hold that thought. We're going to get to it.

    That was my go to. Like, we still have two bags of Black Rifle. Before we started getting because it was getting a little bit, we were running out, and I was like, we need coffee because I drink coffee all day. Every day I'm in the same boat. So she went. The only thing I switched to in the afternoon is I add whiskey to my coffee. See? I add rum. There we go. By the way, your median blend, because I think that's what you sent us the first time around. Fantastic. With both crack and rum and bamboo rum. See, now we need to get additional sponsors on the show for you since you're going ahead and throwing that out. Oh, I always throw Kraken between those two realms. Those are my favorite realms. Trust me. If I could get a crack in sponsorship, I would absolutely die beset, wouldn't you? Oh, absolutely. I don't even have to get what the streaming world calls that partner level. That's the ultimate dream. Give me a rum sponsor. That's when I know I've made it the pinnacle of your career. I get it. Yes. But anyway. Yeah, so I mixed those. But when she brought me this or that day that you brought it over and we didn't know you dropped by, I tried it that night, and I fell in love with it, honestly. I mean, I love this coffee. That's awesome. There's nothing more that you want to hear than your product is good. Yeah. And it's appreciated. I mean, that's the ultimate compliment right there. So I'm truly humbled by that, and I appreciate it. And we're going to continue to try and put out a quality product. And when we go back to going back to VRCC, one of the things that their goal was to employ so many people. But when you get to that size, inevitably you're going to lose some of your quality control because like you many moons ago, I was a huge Black Rifle Coffee Company fan, and I'm still a very big fan of the company. Don't get me wrong on that. But when you're producing that much coffee, that's where blends start to come into play. I don't blend anything. And what a blend is that's taking various types of beans and combining them into a single package of coffee, if you will, just to kind of simplify that everything I do is a single source coffee bean. So there's not a blend of various coffee beans in there. It's one coffee bean that I roast four different ways. I either do it as a light, a medium, a dark, or an extra dark roast. And that's where that Kiss philosophy comes into play. I don't see a need to go out there and try and complicate this thing and make it more convoluted than it has to be. It's focusing on a quality, high quality coffee bean that offers great flavor through all of those different roasts. And going back to what we were talking about in the first hour, that rabbit hole goes very deep. When you start talking about the different flavors that come out of a coffee. The coffee beans that I choose, I choose them specifically for a reason because they are very similar in their flavor profiles. In those lighter and medium roast, you're going to get some fruity overtones to it, some red apples, some passion fruit, some of those things are some of those flavors you're going to pick up. And then when we get into those darker roasts, you start getting into some more caramel overtones or chocolate overtones and things like that. And that's really why I love this bean that I use, because it allows me to roast all of those flavor profiles with a single bean and still produce a quality product for our consumers. Really, at the end of the day, that's what it comes down to is I want to make sure my mission statement is to provide the best tasting coffee hands down. Yeah. And that's what I want to do, by the way. You just finally kicked it in in my brain. It's like the light bulb went off. Fucking chocolate. The cocoa is what I'm tasting in this particular dark roast. Absolutely. I was like, what is that beautiful bitterness that is coming out of it? Yeah. Cocoa. The roasts don't have that bitter. Now. People think cocoa, they think chocolate. They're thinking milk chocolate. That's not what we're talking about. That's sugar and milk. That's what you're tasting in milk chocolate. And that's what I love about this bean that I use is that in those lighter roasts, the lights and the mediums, you don't get that distinctive bitter flavor that you get with a lot of inferior coffees. Now, you'll pick up a little bit as you get into the darker roast because that's just the acid being released from the bean. But, yeah, I'm with you and I drink all of them. I'll bounce between them. Obviously, I'm in a little better position than most people to do that. Yeah. I mean, you do what you damn self. It's like a Cook in a kitchen. You don't sit there and serve something to someone without quality control. Absolutely. And then I do a lot of quality control when it comes to that kind of stuff. And that's what I kind of expected us to have an agreement on. It's like myself and I'll help assist in that quality control third party. I fully expect if you said I'm slipping in my quality control processes, that you would let me know so I can make those adjustments. I'm kidding. But like, oh, yeah, this last batch was absolute shit. It was bitter on the light. What the hell are you doing, Bobby? Come on. Get your head out your ass. Exactly. That's what I expect. And I want to make sure that's what I hear. If that's what happens, I give you my word. Awesome. That's what I want to hear. Yeah. So that's where it goes. Just for a point of reference out there, this is just little something that I like to do for coffee. Trivia, you guys can throw this out when you go to the bar and you want to win free drinks. That ask people, first of all, there's two things. What kind of roast gives you the most caffeine? Most of us from a public service or military background. Go, man, we want that coffee to look like motor oil. That's what's going to keep me awake. Your darker roast actually have less caffeine than your lighter roast. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. And look at that. We got a couple of people popping in there. Yes. Wastelander Owls has got it in there. You're right. It's the light roast. What happens when you roast a coffee bean is that it actually releases an oil. The darker you roast it, the more oil is released. And what happens is that caffeine actually ends up coming out of the bean and you don't get it in your cup of coffee or the darker that roast goes. Yeah, Al's, you're right. The stronger roast give you a different kind of flavor and easily a stronger flavor than the lighter roast. But if you want to win a Barbet, there's one. The other one that I love is I get a lot of emails from people saying, you need to start doing an espresso. You need to start doing an espresso. Espresso is not a roast, guys. Yeah. Okay. Espresso is a grind and a process in which you extract the flavor from that grind. So you can have an espresso in a light roast, a medium roast, a dark roast, the next to dark roast, not a roast. How you grind the bean. And that's the pressure that you use to extract the flavor with the water. So there's a couple of things for those of us that are old enough. This is Saturday Morning cartoons on NBC. The Star coming across the more, you know. Yeah. Another fun fact that I found out the most expensive coffee in the world actually comes from the feces of a bat that has eaten coffee beans. A raw coffee bean has eaten, digested and pooped out. Yes. They have goats that do that. They have pigs that do that. They have a couple of different animals that do that. I do not do that. Just for point of reference, that's not a coffee bean I choose to get for one, economically, it makes zero sense to me to try and do that because isn't that an Amazonian bat that does that? That they consider the most expensive coffee plan. I know in the Middle East, they use goats to do that. And that's kind of one of those high society type things, if you want to call it that. Yeah, it's shit coffee. You're absolutely right. One of the things I would love to try is actually Hawaii has, from what I understand is a phenomenal flavored coffee beans. But at 25 or $26 per pound. Holy shit. For raw coffee beans. Holy hell. Yeah. I'll be waiting on that one.

    You know what Nicki and I have talked about that about trying to why can't we grow coffee beans here? I think it has a lot to do with the soil. If you look at Central America and South America, where a lot of these are grown, it's high volcanic stuff. Yeah. A lot of volcanic ash, which then adds a certain fermentation to the soil or whatever. Yeah. And from what I understand and again, I'm very novice when it comes to how coffee beans are actually grown. They just ship them to me and I roast them. Your soil profile actually has a lot to do with the flavor of the bean and the elevation at which it's grown. So a lot of these plantations are 30. 00, 40. 00, 50. 00ft above sea level, which for you and me in this general area that's just look, we got places in this state that are 200ft below sea level getting to those kinds of elevations and particularly the areas that we live in, the Sandy soil that we have, I don't know that it would ever produce. It's weird. We can't grow coffee here or we typically don't. But rice, marijuana, Venus flytraps, they all grow naturally here, but we can't grow coffee. Like, what the fuck is wrong with this world? Why did we choose a swamp for farming area and can't grow coffee, but we can grow shit out of tobacco around here? Hell yeah. I honestly say I do miss it, but I don't miss it at the same time. No, I quit dipping years and years and years ago, but I will still enjoy a cigar. Oh, absolutely. Every now and then that and whiskey happened to be the couple of vices that I have left.

    Yeah, I still use nicotine. Of course. Coffee and alcohol between whiskey and rum are my two vices as far as the alcoholic beverages of choice. But nicotine is definitely my go to I vape now, so it's aesthetically pleasing, I guess you could say, because it doesn't necessarily tar my teeth or my lungs, but it still isn't healthy by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, and it smells better. I don't stink anymore, so that's a good thing. And my wife walked into that conversation and just gave me the look from across the room like, what are you guys talking about? Everything.

    Yeah, there's a couple of barbeds for people. It's funny that we were sitting here and I know we're kind of backtracking a little bit, but I don't know if you can see this, but I found my commander certificate. Oh, snap, that happened a bit. Just been sitting here. So I'm the night commander as far as the ball table is concerned, for St. Baldricks. I've been involved for, like I said, since 2009, so I just thought it was. I looked down there when Nicki brought me my laptop and I sat it down. I went, son of a bitch. We were just talking about that and there happens if you send my certificate. Yeah, that's awesome. I would love for the community that we have here between Twitch because we have viewers from all over the globe right now. I know just in my channel alone, I have viewers all over the United States, Canada, Australia and all over the EU. And we have listeners, according to the analytics, that are Netherlands are people Swedes, Bulgarian and Canada, of course, and quite a few downloads throughout the United States as well. But I know we need to have a serious conversation here, Bobby, because we've got some Canadians that want some coffee and you don't ship there. Currently I have shipped to Canada. I'll have to jump back in with using the ecommerce setup that I have. I go through them and those things are constantly changing, particularly in today's political environment with what goes where. Because I have shipped to London before. Obviously I've shipped to the Middle East, but those were all bases and stuff like that. But Americans Canada before as well. But I know there's some hinky stuff going on when it comes to particularly the import of consumable products and food type stuff. Some of that stuff gets changed up quite a bit and I try to keep up with it, but for our brothers and sisters up north, let me do some work on that this week and I'll see if I can get that rectified and make sure we can get that over to you. Yeah. And I can almost guarantee if I spread the word to our group out in the big blue Yonder out West, I'm pretty sure we can get you some orders in Australia as well. That would be cool as shit. I don't know what the shipping cost would be to get it there, but I'm all for it. And again, I don't want to dive into politics because that'll take us down a rabbit hole I definitely cannot go into because I'm still active in service. And that's exactly why I don't want to go down that road and then keeps are pissed off and you're having to go in and talk to change the command and stuff like that. So I don't want to go down that road. But over the last couple of years, there's been a lot of ebb and flow when it comes to that kind of stuff. So I would love to get stuff to people and I'll do everything I can to try and get it there. Bear with me a little bit on that stuff. And if nothing else, what we can do until that situation is fixed properly, if we want to, between the communities that are attached to the gaming side of this. If you want reach out to me and we can work it out to where I can get it shipped to me, and then I will personally ship it to you directly if you want some of the coffee. And of course, like I said, I'm going to try and see if I can swindle Bobby into an extra pound for giveaways each month or even every other week or so. Maybe we can swindle that here in the future. We can definitely have an offline conversation. We'll get that all figured out without a doubt. I want to do anything I can to help everybody involved without obviously driving myself into the fore house. Yeah. No, definitely don't want to do that. Old smoky moonshine. I haven't tried that one yet, but damn, now that makes me want to try something. I mean, granted, old smoky moonshine is very dangerous diluted compared to the real thing. It's not white lightning. We are in South Carolina. Look, they made an entire TV show about people, but anyway. All right, so let's get back into the structure. Questions. So I've got two left. Of course you've got them in front of you, I'm sure. But let's take them step by step. So let's try to control ourselves. Okay. All right. Stretch it out just a little bit because normally I have about 2 hours. I'm expecting less than that with the way we've had this conversation. So far. We got a lot of fun bullshit in there. But hey, it is what it is. Sure. So the second to last of our structured questions is where do you plan on going from here with your endeavors as far as where your ex coffee? What is your overarching goal?

    I'm glad you brought this up, because there's some things that are coming down, hopefully coming down the pipeline, particularly for our active duty military people. What we have done and what is eventually going to happen is that I'm actually going to I'm not going to say completely step away from Warrior Acts, but Nikki is going to move in and basically take over all of the day to day operations of Warrior Acts coffee once her retirement is complete. And that's going to happen, we'll say within the next year for sure, maybe a little bit before that. But what we've done is we've actually applied to the Department of Defense to become a skills bridge company. So for those who don't know what we're talking about, as far as skills bridge is concerned, you can stick your head in here, come in and say Hi. Hold on, please. I'm asking. Yes, there is the HBIC right there. What we want to do is we want to bring those individuals who are getting ready to separate from service, whether that's through retirement or through the end of their contract, whatever it is, we want to bring them in and start teaching them fundamental business skills and things like that, things that are going to help them transition effectively into civilian life. And really, that's where we want to go. We would love to set up, and that is in the five year plan. We want a brick and mortar building to do this all out of right now. We do this all out of our house. Everything we do is out of our house, and everything we do is online. We've started to expand into the retail market a little bit. We've got some local businesses who are starting to carry our product and sell out of there. But we want to be very careful about how we do that, because what I don't want to happen and it goes back to our conversation about Black Rifle Coffee Company is I don't want to lose that quality control. One of the things that we pride ourselves on is that our coffee is roast to order. So we don't have hundreds of pounds of this roasted up and sitting in a warehouse. When we get an order in, we roast it. We either grind it or package it, and then we send it out. So you're getting extremely fresh coffee. And I think that's one of those things that leads to the great flavor that we provide. So what we don't want to do is lose that. But we still would like to expand into the retail market a little bit. We've got some local grocery stores that we're working with to carry our product. We've got some smaller independent stores in the area that are carrying our product now, but that still allows us the opportunity to go ahead and make sure that it's very fresh product, rotate our product through, make sure that our consumers and our customers are getting the best quality coffee out there. But that's one of those things that we want to do is we want to expand that out. Yeah, we would love that's. One of those things we're trying to pick up, too. I would love for a local craft Brewer to make a coffee logger. So here's a fun thing. Myself and baby Mama, we're getting ready or we're planning our wedding, and it's going to be a Norse pagan wedding. And we are actually brewing or I say brewing, but fermenting our own Mead for the wedding. Phenomenal. So we're going to have a dunking barrel after the binding ceremony. And basically our first kiss is going to be right after we take our first dunk of our Mead. And then, of course, the barrel will be open to everybody after that so that maybe we can work some stuff out if we get some good some good Mead running. Sorry, man. Alice just brought up Pigly Wiggly. Is there even a Pigly Wiggly around anymore? Absolutely. There is an idea. No, there is absolutely some pigs running around Columbia area right now because Alice came up for a visit and we went to a pig. She went to her first Piggly wiggly ever. I imagine that was an experience for her. Oh, absolutely. She bought like three different things that had the freaking pig on it. Exactly. No, we're actually looking at Lowe's Food stores. That's who we're oh, yeah, absolutely. Yes. But there are a couple of local brewers that have expressed some interest. We just haven't ironed out the details on that. But if we get that one, John and Kimberly over at Random tap. For those of you who are in, anybody who's listening in this area are phenomenal supporters of us, and they really want that, too, is to try and get some kind of coffee brew going. And I would love it. There are some local brewers who have already done it, but they've contracted with some other coffee companies and we're just not able to. Yeah. So another local group, Savage Craft, we actually know some people that manage the Savage Craft downtown right off of number one. So maybe we could throw some networking in that direction as well. I would love for you to throw it out there, but I believe they use Loveland coffee. Yeah, but that's all right, man. I'd be more than happy to undercut them if I could. Yes, we're talking to our sponsor for anybody still watching or listening. Of course, that may join or scroll through the episode, but yes, this is Bobby Alman for anybody in Twitchland, Twinia or however Owls puts it. But this is Bobby Alman, the wait, hold on. Let me see if I remember. How did you put it? Again? The hmfic hmfic and the non PG version of that represents what the head motherfucker in charge. There you go. And if you joined us shortly before Tari, his wife, who is also a part of the wonderful group, is the veteran side where he is the Leo side. She was just showing face for a little bit. We talked her into it. She's in the background over there still listening to us. She's trying to keep these pack of MutS. We got quiet over here. Yeah. Understandable the HB. Ic. Is definitely in charge, but, yeah, that's really where we want to go. She also has some aspirations of kind of setting up a small drive through, pick up a coffee and go type place. Nothing too fancy. Just pull up, get your cup of coffee, get on your way. These are some of the plans that were in discussion and trying to figure out the logistics and how we're going to pull all that off. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Yeah, definitely. With that drive through coffee, I'm pretty sure we're not going to do nothing like the West Coast does with their baristas. No, never mind. She said yes, she'll do it. All right, so we're bringing bikini baristas to the East Coast. Fuck, yeah. We did say we were not going to keep this PG. So we do have some retirement gifts in mind for her when she finally does get authorization to punch that clock because she's been trying at least three different times. But that damn mission critical thing is just really messing everybody up. But, yeah, $7,000 can do a lot of things. Hey, and Tori, I do have an NLMP bikini. Baby Mama has one in her possession right now, so we could end up having that happen for sure. The HBI. C. Just said bring it. She's on it. We'll make this happen. Fuck, yeah. All right, well, Al said you need to wear a bikini, too. But look, I will put on a set of Ranger panties. And I mean, look, we're equal opportunity around here. Fuck, yeah. I got a bit of a dad pod going on right now because of the pregnancy. I'm just a few months behind her on the belly. Well, I happen to know a guy who's asking about. Yeah, Ranger panties. Silkies. Okay, so what they are is very short, short, silk physical training pants. They're not even pants. That's why they're called panties. They're the equivalent to female boy shorts or booty shorts. Yeah, booty shorts. But they are for men. They are, yeah, Ranger panties. A lot of your Marines wear Silkies or they're considered silky. So they're very short. Short. Like if you bend the wrong way while stretching, you're going to pop a nut somewhere. Yes. And if you cut the liner out, it's over. Yeah, it's absolutely dropping balls somewhere. Yes, absolutely. Does wear short shorts. As a matter of fact, he trains in short shorts every day. There is no other way to train. Well, I think I'm one of those with the army and military called Broke Dicks because the army broke me a couple of years back. No, I understand that one completely. That's another reason why I have the dad. But I do. I've been there, man. Four knee surgeries. I think the only reason why I don't have a surgery yet is because I'm just too stupid to go in and let them touch me. I would highly recommend that because it makes it a whole lot easier on the back end when you go for those VA benefits. Yeah. Because right now I'm only getting a total look at this. The HBIC is coming through. What do we got coming through? Hell yeah. There you go. Owls. Those are the Silkies. All two and a half inches of inseam right there. Yes. That is awesome. I love it. Fuck it. I've got them in black. I've got them in OD green. I've got them in American flag. We've got them in subdued flag. Yeah. We pretty much rock them around here all the time. Hell yeah. All right, so final question to kind of wrap things up, do you have anything special going on either with your fitness group or the Warrior Acts brand? As far as the Warrior Acts brand is going right now, we're dabbling in the I don't want to call it network marketing, but affiliates or social media marketing platform. We've got a couple of people, thanks to Baby Mama. She kicked a lot of this off. As far as with the drinking Bros and things like that, we've got some people who are interested in doing some marketing for us that way. That's one of the things that we're kind of starting to dabble into a little bit and spread our wings. Not as big news for everybody else, but it's kind of big news for us is we're changing up our packaging a little bit. So that packaging that you have right there, we're actually going to end up going away from that and going towards a more traditional coffee bag. But it's still a resealable coffee bag. So it's got the ziplock top to it after you open it up. So you can still reseal it, still keep that flavor in there. But it's going to have a vent in it, which is going to allow for better flavor, which is something that we don't have with the packaging that we're using right now. Yeah. Cause kind of like some other things like with whiskey or alcohol as it sits, it ferments in itself, allowing for a better taste. Right. And what that one way valve does is it allows some of that oxygen to escape while still keeping inside what we want to keep inside. And then from the fitness side of things, really, that could be a whole another podcast if we wanted to go down that road. But that is the other half of the business. And that is something that I'm extremely, extremely passionate about. I know the HBIC is as well in our lines of work and the backgrounds that we come from. There's a scary statistic out there as far as let's just talk about law enforcement officers in general, anybody who makes it to a 25 year retirement and law enforcement, typically their lifespan is only to 59 years of age. A lot of that comes down to and we're seeing this a lot on the military side now as well. But a lot of that comes down to because we're so used to being in this structured lifestyle up until the time we retire. And then when we make that transition, we lose a lot of that. You'll see. And for anybody on here who's listening who served and went through that, you know what happens. You get out. You're not obligated to show up to PT anymore. You don't have your yearly PT test. You don't have those things. So you kind of take this deep breath and relax. And then a year down the road, you're trying to figure out where £50 came from. So one of the things that we really like to preach on the fitness side is if somebody out there is looking to be a competitive athlete, as far as physique shows, bodybuilding shows, things like that, that's not where our passion lies. Even though I used to compete as bodybuilder, our passion lies in functional fitness. We want to take people who want to be or who come from that background or who are looking to improve their what we call Playlife and what your Playlife is that's anything that you like to do, whether that's gaming, whether that's reading, whether that's playing golf, whether that's going out and shooting guns or it's hunting. We want to make sure that we can extend that Playlife for as long as we possibly can. And that's where our training programs come into play. We go through functional movements. We want to keep you moving. We want to keep you playing with your kids. We want to keep you doing whatever it is that you're doing. We want to do that in a healthy fashion, but not to the point that physique competitors go through. Actually competing in the physique side of things is probably one of the most unhealthy things you can do. Oh, yeah. It's right up there with morbid obesity when it comes. And I'll tell you that from personal experience and I competed on the natural side. So not even all of the antibiotics that go into things, as far as PEDs are concerned, I was competing on the natural side and the hell that plays on your body, trying to get your body fat as low as you need to in order to step on stage and then maintain that and then the mind fuck that takes place after that is completely unhealthy for most people. And that's why bodybuilders are killing over dead from heart attacks. At 50 years old, your body is just not meant to sustain those kinds of things. So we take a different approach to that. And again, it's all about the Playlife. It's all about having a functional nutritional plan, something that's not ultra restrictive. It allows you to enjoy those things. You can still eat pizza, you can still eat burgers, you can still eat wings. We just teach you portion control, how to maintain or understand how much it is that you're actually eating so that you're not consuming more calories than you're burning. So you're not going down that road. You can still drink beer and things like that. As far as our nutritional plans are concerned, we want you. We don't use the word diet. We use nutrition, we don't exercise, we train. Diet is a terrible word that people need to get out of their fucking heads. I agree. A diet has a beginning date and an end date. That's not what we teach. We teach functional nutrition so that you can sustain this throughout the rest of your life. That's really where the fitness side comes through. We offer all kinds of different tiers on that. If somebody is ever interested, they can reach out to this. Most of what we do is a virtual experience for those in the area. We also do some one on one stuff and we have some. We have some things on the horizon as far as one to one training is concerned that I think can be game changers. We're not going to give too much information on that yet because it's still very much in the infancy stage. But it would certainly be a game changer for anything around here and really give people an opportunity to achieve those goals in a very timely fashion. Nice. That's kind of where we're looking at. Yeah. Like you said, lifestyle. That's exactly what we're talking about, actually. Yeah, I was thinking about this in my head, Alex. Actually just put it into words is maybe we can coincide with each other and trying to maybe come up with a plan for gamers as streamers or someone who tries to make their living behind these monitors. And I know from personal experience dealing with the military that sitting all this time and not having those rising tables sitting is detrimental to your health. Plus the eating habits that we as gamers with high caffeinated drinks all the time, I know that they're pushing those healthier alternatives with gamer. Fuel is what they call it. But sneak, even Rogue Energy, which is a very sugar based energy drink. It's a powder that has supplements in it, but also other things like that. But maybe adding those to a workout Regiment or some type of functioning plan that we can actually try to put together for gamers and maybe help distribute that in a package deal that you could probably have. Absolutely. And I'll break it down. Super simple for anybody listening who watches or picks up on this after the fact. Guys, we have four tenants. That's what we teach. And that's why lifestyle has function. We're going to prioritize movement. You got to get up, you got to move around a little bit because exactly to your point, sitting in these chairs, the human body was not designed to do. And that's not just gamers. That's just the way society has gone in general office. We have gone a lot away from blue collar manual labor. We don't farm anymore. You can't have a family farm anymore and live. You have to have major corporate farms. Well, guess what they're doing in those sitting? They're sitting right. They're operating machinery. Now, you still throw some hay bales. And look, back in my day, I can throw some hay bales. But whether it's the technology sector or whether it's human resources or whatever, that is, what we have to start getting back to is prioritizing movement. And movement is nothing more than that. Getting up and an erect position and walking, that's as simple as movement has to be. Okay. Seven to 10,000 steps a day. That's what we talk about when we talk about prioritizing movement. And then resistance training is just in addition to that, you need to hit your daily calorie goal. We calculate that for you so you know how many calories you're supposed to be taking in to sustain your basic living functions. Nice. And it's a simple process for me to calculate for you. We're then going to take a look at your protein. Protein is the basis for all of your cellular function. This is what it's all about, recovery, and it's all about getting complete proteins. I'm not talking about going out and eating 87 chicken breasts a day. There's a whole lot of other ways to go about doing that. And we break down some of that and then drinking water. Yeah, water a day for the average adult. Those four things right there. Hit your water goal. Hit your protein goal. Hit your calorie goal. Prioritize movement. Boom. Yeah. So one thing that I kind of changed in my diet. I don't eat breakfast mainly. And I know that's not always a great thing, but because my metabolism has slowed in recent years, I'm trying to pick that up by eating more in the morning times as well, and not so much in heavy foods in the evenings. You want me to blow your mind? Okay. You ready for this? Please. Okay. It doesn't matter what time you eat. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It makes no fucking difference. Your body does not differentiate. Guess what? You can eat carbs at night before you go to bed. That does not make you fat. It's all about, am I eating more calories than I'm burning? Yeah, that's right. Okay. But like, I was trying to say as far as my protein intake, usually up until lunch, is something as simple as a peanut butter and honey sandwich and having the sweetness, the natural sweetness of the honey, raw honey, and, of course, the higher protein of peanut butter. I know that because of my body and my body type, which understand and correct me if I'm wrong, Bobby, but it depends on your body type and what kind of foods and nutrients you put in nutrition. For the most part, there is no one size fits all process that is very much a hit or miss product process. There are certain tenants that are pretty much universal. There are some outliers, and there are some freaks of nature. But for the most part. All right, way to go, Alice throwing a link in there right off the bat. Hey, that's the cohost for you. I tell you, she's on it. But for the most part, right. That's why we individualize nutrition plans to people, because it's as simple as this. Not only this body type plan of it. You want to really geek out of this and we can nerd really down on it. Your ancestral history will play into this. Yeah. Your primary ancestral history, you said earlier, is British Isles, Ireland, whales, those kinds of things. If you take a look at what the people traditionally ate there, the human body has not evolved that much over the last hundred years. Okay. Yeah. Those kinds of foods are the foods your body is going to digest the best for me, coming from Scandinavia, which is where 99% of my ancestral history comes from. I know right off the bat animal meats. I process animal meats very well. When it comes to breads and things like that, my body does not digest those very well. They lead to a lot of inflammation within my body, within my joints, they lead to gut health issues. But potatoes, root vegetables, things like that. My body processes those very well. So when we start that's one of those things that we delve into. And I am not one of those guys where you're going to call me up, I'm going to give you a training program and go have fun. We do weekly check ins. These are things that we're constantly doing in assessments. We're making adjustments. All of those things are things that we are going to constantly be taking a look at. And we're going to take one thing out, we're going to add one thing, and we're going to do this until we get it figured out for you. And then all of a sudden you're going to go, oh, shit, that wasn't so complicated. Yeah. And some of those tenants and I'm not giving away any trade secrets here. Some of those tenants that we preach. Guys, when you go grocery shopping, stop going in the middle of the store. Oh, yeah. Stay on the outside. Yeah. Go get your meat Department. Go get your veggie Department. Stay away from all of that processed crap. That's in the middle. It's all full of Omega sixes. And Omega six is not bad for you. It's just when our ratios get off. But all of that is going to lead to free radicals within your body. That's going to lead to inflammation within your body. And it throws off your hormones. And this ball in avalanche just gets rolling. That's the problem we have in the United States. Everything we eat is processed. All that processed shit leads to inflammation in our bodies. It throws off our hormone levels. That's why we say we've got slow metabolism. We don't have slow metabolism. We got Shifu. Yeah, well, guess you shit in and shit out. That's why we're lethargic that's why we got to take afternoon naps. That's why we don't sleep well, that's why our stress levels and our cortisol levels are through the roof. That's where our high blood pressure comes from. Most of that, almost all of it can be attributed to processed foods. And that's one of those things that we sit down and talk about. We talk about healthy alternatives that we can use. And like I said, that is why I'm turning the coffee side over to her, because that's really where her passion is. My passion is very strongly, strongly on the fitness side, because I was that cop. I was the former collegiate athlete that became a police officer. And I was in phenomenal shape when I became a police officer. And a year into that, sitting behind the steering wheel for twelve and a half hours, working nights, eating crap food because there was nothing else available, I became the obese cop who had trouble getting out of his car. And it led to a host of other things. I mean, blood pressure through the roof. I'm almost 45 now. When I was in my mid 30s, I had a blood pressure somewhere around 100 and 5560 over 90 at 35. Yeah. And I just turned 37. I'm a law officer at this point. Oh, God damn guy coming to save everybody else. And I've got a blood pressure through the roof. Triglycerides through the roof. All of those things from a healthy standpoint that you look at and you're like, this is a walking fucking heart attack. Yeah. And when I started delving and I've been a personal trainer for 17 years. So it's not like I didn't know what was going on, but it's just that simple to slip down that slope and it goes quick once you get into it. So that's where my passion lies, is that just by making some of those changes, I never had to get on high blood pressure medicine because I changed my nutritional program. I stopped eating a lot of processed foods, and now I eat a lot of whole foods. My blood pressure is now on any given day, 118, 120 over 80. Nice without blood pressure medicine, I weigh the same. I'm still £205. It's the 205 lbs. I play College football at, not the £205 sitting behind the steering wheel that I was. And see, it's funny you mentioned that particular weight because that was my Max weight at one point. But it was due to me going in the opposite direction after a very traumatic incident where I lost both my parents within three months of each other and I hit the gym real hard. I was active guard again, doing military funeral. So I had a reason to hit the gym, particularly because of lifting dead bodies all the time. But I ended up 205 was my Max weight, and I sustained that probably for good. I want to say three and a half months, but that was when my metabolism was a lot higher. So if I didn't eat, my body ate that muscle mass. But I sustained it for about two and a half, three months, and I was huge, like 18 inch arms. I think the thickest my neck was between 17 and 18 inches at one point. Yeah, I don't have one anymore. Mine. But I mean, it was absolutely surprising that me when my highest weight all throughout high school and my first adulthood was Max 135 and I jumped up to 205 in the matter of I think it was about six to eight months of consistent working out. And I mean, I was at a point where I was vertically leg pressing almost £1100, and I couldn't even bench press that much or anywhere near that. I think my Max bench was like five. But I was working out. And granted, I wasn't living a healthy lifestyle, but I was counterreacting the negative crap that I was putting in my body because I was moving. Like you said, moving is essential. Yeah. Movement is life. And that application goes to a lot of things from a military background or military tactical standpoint. Movement is life. Right? You're not shooting, you're moving. If you're not shooting, you're moving, you're reloading. Yeah, absolutely. Our bodies are designed to move. And when we sit in a chair and when we live the sedentary lifestyles that we become accustomed to through technological advances and all the things that have come with modern society, that's not what our bodies were adapted to do. That's not how they thrive. That's why we have lower back pain. That's why we have knee pain. That's why we have all of those things, the shoulders, the neck, all that stuff from being hunched over. We can counteract that by doing 30 to 45 minutes of physical exercise and movement a day and not have to worry about all those things. There's no need for anybody to go spend 3 hours in the gym. If you're spending 3 hours in the gym, for one, you don't know what you're doing. For two, you're talking entirely too much. There's no need for that or too many selfies. I'm one of those guys. My entire business is based around those. But even me doing that, I'm still in and out in 30 to 45 minutes on a workout. And that's warm up workout and cool down in and out. Yeah. Well, we are getting very close to the two hour recorded Mark. So what we're going to do is we want to go about ending things. So Bobby, if you want to go ahead and plug yourself everywhere, anybody can find you that you're willing to share, yeah, I'll give them all to you. You can find me on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook. You can find me at Bobby Alman. That's Allmann. Two A's, two LS, two NS on the Coffeeside Warrior, Axe Coffee Co. On Facebook, Instagram and on TikTok. As far as websites are concerned, the coffee websites, www.warrioraxcoffee.com. You can go on there and place all your orders and we can get that stuff over to you from the fitness side. If that's something that you're interested in, you can hit me on any of those social media platforms, but you can also get me at my website on that one, which is www, dot AllFit SC for strength and conditioning.com. And I'd be more than happy to set up a free consultation with you. We can sit down, we can talk. I say sit down. We can do that virtually, or we can do that in person, depending on where you're at. And we will have a conversation to make sure that we're going to get you going in the right direction. I'll be the first one to tell you I'm not a trainer for everybody. I'm very intense in what I do and what I expect. But if I am not the right fit for you, I will tell you that right off the bat. And I have an entire network of people that I'll get you with, the right person. I mean, the pit Bull just said the same thing. And also, since we got him here on Discord, he is in the madhouse Discord guys. We will make sure that please understand he is still new to Discord, so we're still learning him on the ways of the discord. But he is here. So if you want to reach out to him, feel free. On Discord, it works just like any other messenger as well as all the gaming community is aware of. But we will make sure that he gets the information. Also with that, when we sit down with him outside or off stream, we'll try to work a gaming regimen out like we'll talk about what typically goes on with the streaming lifestyle and outside of a regular nine to five because that's completely different as well. But I'll give him my life and what goes on with me and we'll try to work a regimen around me and then we can help figure out translating that to other gamers and streamers and hopefully at one day offer that up as an option. I love it. Yes. Thank you again, Bobby and wife. What was it? H-B-I-C-H-B-I-C. That's right. Yeah. So thank you both for making an appearance. But also, Bobby, thank you for sitting down with us again after such a short notice. I do appreciate it. And we can definitely get something even further more going for not only the gaming community, but for any podcast listeners out there that are just curious about coffee, about fitness. We can definitely integrate that into future episodes as well. Yelling at the dog. Okay. But also again, remember, we are pushing it back one more week. So you have seven more days, everybody listening out there in Twitch landika or in the viewers here on Twitch. Also, if you are listening on the podcast side. So let's see, according to the calendar date, it will be the 16 March 2022 is when we will be doing the giveaway on our Twitch channel, which is the Madhouse Podcast on Twitch. So you can find us at https WWWWW. Dot. Twitch. Tv. The Madhouse Podcast we will be giving away a pound of coffee of dark roast from Warrior X coffee for free shipping handling. All that will be free. The only stipulation is that you have to follow three channels on Twitch. That is the Madhouse Podcast, my channel, which is NLMP, and my co host Owls, who is Owls are a Hoot 92 all on Twitch. Follow all three of those and you have a free entry. You just have to be present when we do the drawing at the end of the live recording on the 16 March. Other than that, I want to say thank you for listening. Thank you again to our sponsor who is sitting here with us and had a wonderful chat. 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    Alright. Well, I guess we'll just get into it today and I guess I need to un-deafen so everybody can hear Owls. I forgot to undefined when I went live. So you couldn't hear a thing that I said? No. I could have said all sorts of things. Yep.


    Hello, people. Hello everyone. Welcome to the Madhouse Presents Group Therapy where we talk about games, argue about our different viewpoints, dive into the strange or whatever we decide in the moment. I am Alex and I'm Joker. Hello. And today we are talking about mental health and gaming, how the benefits and hardships of gaming can have on your mental health as well, whether it benefits or hinders your mental health overall.


    Now, as far as mental health and the common understanding of it, a lot of people think about sadness, about ADHD, about social anxiety. But what a lot of people I feel don't think about is the bigger issues as well, outside of what is mental health and what are some complications to that? Well, learning disabilities, for one. Between that depression,


    social anxiety is one of the bigger ones that I've noticed that a lot of people don't consider a mental health issue or complication. But social acuity is one of the biggest ones that affects more than 90%, I believe was one of the early two thousands. And especially now with the current social economic society we're living in that is so restrictive of that time to gather and be a part of a group again is just not there. I mean, covet alone caused a lot of issues, especially with all of the lockdowns and social distancing. As humans, easily as human beings, we are social animals. We have to have that interaction with one another. And for a while there actually like in the beginning, mostly it wasn't there and people didn't know how to cope and they turned to gaming streaming to get that fixed, I guess you could call it. But also like tonight, we're going to be talking about the effects both positively and negatively because it goes both ways, whether you want to believe it or not, even though in the yesterday years when I was younger and growing up, they said video games will rot your brain. Well, I mean, yeah, they can, but a lot of people don't realize that there's more to that. And they actually can help a lot too. Yes. But the notes that I kind of made tonight focus more in on the social anxiety, ADHD, the COVID situation, PTSD and depression, if you notice. Again, down here for everybody with us on Twitch, we have a wonderful banner of a society that is suicide prevention lifeline. And there are, of course, plenty of hotlines. But this group here, obviously, as you can see, cover both English, Spanish, and many other languages that a lot of people don't associate with the United States. So that is available. And please, if you know anybody within your communities within your social groups or just friends or family that are having issues, please share that information with them. We'll make sure that we also link it in the show notes. For those listening in the audio world, please understand that you are not alone. There are people that actually care about you. So I wanted to start with that. Yes. And they definitely have all the languages as well as they have the what is it called? Sorry, it is the TTY users. They have the deaf or hard of hearing as well. Oh, yes. Also, for all you young Ins out there that don't like to talk on the phone, they have availability for texting as well. You can text. I will make sure. For those in the audio world, I will link that as well in the show notes. And all you got to do is say hello. And that's it. So tonight we'll get started with the COVID situation, since that's something that's kind of affected everybody in the very recent past, I should say. So we were talking slightly about the loneliness that kind of developed from Covet. It was a very big unknown in the world and it was affecting the world. There was no travel allowed. There was no social gatherings for months. And I like to talk about the positive that came out of it. And I've said this, of course, in my own streams, but it helped a lot of small time streamers like myself, for one. Definitely. It caused a big influx of people going to internet and gaming and streaming as a way to kind of reach out and get their socialization. More people were online watching streamers. Oh, absolutely. Just to fill that void because they've run out of all their favorite TV shows and the entertainment value was there for those that probably never would have touched Twitch. I'll say I'm one of them, honestly. I dabbled in a couple of different streams. I looked at them, never was really consistent. And then as the pandemic was a thing, I was home a lot more. I saw more people streaming. I started looking at streaming and that's how I kind of got into it. I had nothing else to do. I mean, I was home with a baby, but also there was no going out at all. Yeah. So loneliness set into a lot of Americans or people in general, because like I said, humans are social animals, just like apes, just like Lions, canines. We're very sociable. And without that, our mental state is affected. It's like being in a quiet room where all you hear is your own heartbeat and blood flow. It's insane. And people go crazy on that. So when they were stuck in the houses with nothing but a phone or a computer or a tablet and they ran out of the internet, because the internet isn't as endless as people think it is. So they turn to the streaming platforms or the content platforms of YouTube, Tik, Tok Facebook and Twitch, which was TikTok blew up. So did Twitch. Yeah, the influx of not just consumers, but streamers spiked during the first few months or actually the first year of COVID back in 2020. And same thing happened to YouTube. Their influx of content creators of consumers just skyrocketed. Even Mixer tried to play off of that for a little while. Mixer with Mixer. Oh, you don't remember Mixer? I feel like I should. Yeah. Sounds semi familiar. So Ninja, you know who Ninja is, right? Never really watched him, but I know who he is. So he actually got a contract to leave Twitch and go to Mixer as their sponsored streamer. Oh, no. Yeah. Is that why he kind of, like, disappeared for a little bit? And he's like, oh, no, I made a boo boo. Yeah, he made a big Booboo. Well, he didn't make a boo boo. He got paid. Like, paid. You got a good payout. He just ended up not getting as much of you that don't know who Ninja is. Ninja was a big Fortnite streamer. He wasn't, like, the best at the game. He was good. He was top tier as far as players, but he was more of a personality. Very entertaining. He dyed his hair blue. All the colors. Yeah, all the colors. I can't relate to that at all. No, not at all. Those you can't see me, I have green bangs. Well, they're kind of bluish green right now. It's just the way that the light is hitting them, probably. Yeah, I got like, a bluish white light. Yeah. So he blew up on the game, Fortnite on Twitch and was one of Twitch's first big partners, and then he canceled his deal with Twitch to go over to Mixer. Well, surprisingly enough, after a while, Mixer didn't get what they were wanting during the pandemic, so they went bankrupt. Facebook bottom out, and that's where Facebook gaming became a thing. Okay, so that's what happened. I was not aware of that situation. Yeah. So just as Mixer was going, it had a very short stint in the gaming world as far as a platform, but that's when Facebook gaming became a thing and started up was during the pandemic as well. I've been seeing a lot more people on Facebook gaming. It's interesting. Yeah, it definitely is. So back to the covet again, outside of causing the loneliness that people had from the solitude of confinement, basically. So they needed to reach out for that social interaction. And that's where Twitch and YouTube came in. And YouTube streaming became a thing again, outside of just your base content creation to fill that void of social contact. And to me, that's where these gaming or these platforms help, because you don't have to be in the same room with someone necessarily to interact, to have conversations. There's very few people in this community, in the Madhouse community that I've actually met in person, and yet we're still a family. And I love this for that. And it was because of gaming that this community has grown and we have people all over the world that we talk to. Crazy. Definitely. I would have never, ever in a million years met if it wasn't for gaming and streaming. Yeah. Like you and me, even though I was less than 4 hours away from you. Just about when I went to Florida. When you passed about my house and said, Fuck you, Owls, I continued on. To be fair, I knew in Florida you were there, but I didn't know where in Florida you were. Well, that's when you go. I want to meet my favorite person in person. Maybe I should reach out. Barely knew you then I knew you barely know me now? Yeah. You stayed in my house. Yeah, that's true. I mean, your skin particles are somewhere in my couch. Yeah, I probably have a piece of hair. You could probably frame me from murder. Don't get any ideas, baby Mama, I see those TikToks you send me. Trust me. They're probably nothing compared to what she watches. Yeah, I know. She's like, let me mellow one. Sending that one. Yeah. All right. Oh, go ahead. I don't remember what I was going to say. Okay, it's gone. So the direction I kind of want to take with this particular podcast is we want to start out with the negative effects of gaming that have been known for the years as far as what getting addicted to gaming actually can look like. If you are mentally stable in these what's considered normal aspects, though, no one is normal. No one is normal. There's no actual normal. I don't know what is normal because there are too many different personality types. Yeah, true. But as far as the understood effects or adverse effects of video gaming in general, not streaming or content creation of that sort. But we can. But video games in general, what is understood. And I feel that you've done some research and give you some time to get on this voice line because you pulled up so many good articles and one of them actually was highlighting that as well. Gaming addiction. Are you talking about that one? Yeah, I think it's like the Harvard. Yeah. Now, granted, understand, these are articles from an individual that did very and I hate to use this word in this context, but biased outlooks on certain things, regardless of what you do. Yeah. So we definitely want you to understand that some of these have good points to them, and it has been proven that what they talk about can affect some people in the way that they're talking about. But it's not necessarily affecting everybody that way. So I just want to put that Disclaimer out there. Yes, definitely. And I tried to find things that were like .org, edu, what I could find that was like maybe a little bit more of a not necessarily a legitimate source, but something that was a little bit more I can't think of the right word, you know what I'm saying? So with this one, it's gaming addiction, or it's called Internet gaming disorder, which is you experience at least five of the following nine criteria over a twelve month period. So it's gaming preoccupation, withdrawal tolerance, loss of interest in other activities, downplaying use, loss of relationship, educational or career opportunities, gaming to escape or relieve anxiety, guilt or other negative mood States, failure to control, continued gaming despite psychosocial problems. If you have five out of the nine, then you're likely an addiction, which is I mean, I will say that in the beginning of me gaming, I very may well have fallen under some of these things because it was new to me. So it was a temporary addiction turned into a more healthy environment. But initially, yes, I did. I will say personally, gaming preoccupation. I wanted to play games when I was home and I wasn't working. I was like, I'm ready to play some Overwatch. Let's do this. I didn't want to do anything else. The loss of interest, down playing. You familiar. I play at night, I put my kids to bed and I'd be on till almost two or three in the morning. Stupid amount of time, and I got like zero sleep. I would have used it to escape not all of them, but it was teetering on the line. I definitely played a whole lot in the first year of me experiencing gaming. So definitely teetered on that. And that can be bad because then you're not involving yourself in other activities and this is a time before covet. That was just what I wanted to do. Yeah. And I like to bring that up because a lot of people think, especially precovid, they think of gamers as you're socially inferior. You don't know how to communicate. You don't do this or that's all you want to do. You don't want to do anything else with your life, blah, blah, blah. And there are some very negative types of gamers out there that are considered what's toxic. And those are the two you're talking about, like tunneling. Yeah. I see how you I just got you so good. Your face. You did your face. Oh, I love it. Okay. And you said, yeah, I did. But what my brain heard was tunneling, but not in the reference you meant. Yeah, but I got you. I got it. Yes, you did. You got it in there. Good job. Let the record show. Okay. But tunneling in the aspect of your tunneling, your video games. Yeah. Your face campaign the shit out of your games. Absolutely. Actually, yes. That was the concept in which my mind went,


    okay. So for instance, growing up as a teenager, even teenagers nowadays with parents, they're probably like, you have responsibilities, you need to pay attention to those and I mean, I got told that quite a bit. Like I'd come home if I had homework. I may barely do it just to satisfy the need. And I'd get on my game. Like at the time it was Call of Duty, Crash, Bandacoot, freaking Mario Brothers. And that's all I wanted to do. I wanted to be inside playing games. Now, of course, I grew up in a time when you didn't stay inside as a kid. You went out and played. Yes. When the lights on the street went on, that's when you came inside. Yeah. And then you had to be to bed at a certain time. And that was it. Unless it was the summertime. Now, the other negative social aspect of gaming and being a toxic gamer well being.org is what I'm looking at right now. And I can actually show that one is an article of impact of gaming on mental health. And one thing that they note right here is imposter syndrome. And what a lot of people don't necessarily understand about the imposter syndrome is that those are people that are what are now known as hate Raiders. They go into games and lobbies and they try to degrade and downplay other gamers, or in this case, in our case, other streamers as far as hate raids. And when they do that to me now as an adult and have gone through multiple stages of mental health issues is they don't have something or lack something in their own life that to them brings them pleasure versus trying to lift someone up and help people. They're there to cause issues because they feel that being an asshole on a game or in a stream is entertaining to them. And those are honestly the worst type. Oh, yeah, that's the worst because it's the almost anonymity of the Internet. Those keyboard warriors is what it used to be called. But another aspect of what they have here as far as the imposter syndrome came up in a lot of games back during my time, roleplaying games, RPGs. And nowadays with VR, you have VR chat where people personify their characters on other people and actually believe that's who they are to feel better about themselves and make other people feel better because they're afraid to be seen as incompetent or a failure in life and they personify themselves as something better than they actually are. And that's another problem because it can lead to a lot of distrust and disheartening situations as well. Also, I think that imposter syndrome is just something that not necessarily that you're portraying yourself as something else. So that's one aspect of it. But I believe it's also, the imposter syndrome is like, even if you're doing good, you're doubting yourself. So I mean, I can personally relate to that because one day I feel like everything is going good and I've got it. And then like the next day if I'm streaming and nobody comes by, no one says, hey, then I'm like, am I doing okay? Should I even be doing this? It's like a constant battle, and it's just like a self conscious thing as well. It's just on a bigger scale, I guess, in some ways. Yeah, absolutely. And that's the other aspect of gaming as far as the negative side, because it can affect what may or pre existing notion of depression or social anxiety where you feel like if you can't get this right, how do you get everything right or anything right at that aspect? And that's what's keeping a lot of people from succeeding or advancing in the streaming gaming world, because they downplay their own failures. Instead of recognizing them as learning points or how to change those points, they get stuck in what is considered a mine loop and a negative bias on their own actions. Instead of actually learning from a negative situation and trying to figure out how to change that, they just feed their body, feeds off of that and allow it to build their depression or build their sadness and social anxiety to the point where they just quit. I mean, I have definitely felt that way numerous times.


    I feel like if you don't feel it, then you're not trying your best, to be honest. If you don't every once in a while go like, is this the right thing or am I good enough? Then you're not keeping yourself human. Absolutely. So there's got to be a healthy balance. But if it gets to a point where you're, like consistently doing it and then your mental health starts taking a dive, that's a whole another situation. Yeah. As far as streaming or consistent gaming, that's when you probably need to reevaluate the situation you've put yourself in. And hey, do I need to take a step back? Do I need to take a break from this? And I absolutely will recommend a break for most or anybody who's having that problem or a situation like that.


    Definitely. You got to keep yourself healthy first. Yeah. So just to give you people insight that may not have ever had this. And I want people to know that a lot of people deal with issues that you may not be aware of, myself included. And I know I'm happy go lucky or raging because of a game or the community just annoying the ever living piss out of me. But we would never do that to you. Never. But I want to tell you all a quick story, or I say quick, but it may take a minute or two. And this is something I do with my students when I have every cycle, ten times a year, I tell this exact same story to soldiers, military personnel who are trying to learn to be leaders. And I tell them because people don't always look outward when they feel they have a problem. And people don't understand that what may be traumatic to you is not necessarily traumatic to someone else and vice versa. What you may not see as traumatic as far as a situation that causes depression, anxiety, PTSD, you may not see those issues that other people are going through as issues. You're just like, It's just another day and suck it up, Buttercup and drive on. But people everywhere are dealing with something. It's weird because this is something I've never thought that I would open up to on a streaming platform. I want people to know that you're not alone when you feel down in the dumps about something. Understand that there are more people out there that understand your pain, and then it's not forever. You'll find your way out eventually. Yeah. Even though the pain will always hurt. I can attest to that. And I've got many people who have other issues that have the same type of pain and it'll never go away. But you will understand. And if you don't, I can absolutely try to help understand that there are ways to redirect your mind so that you can get back to the good stuff positives. And even some games that have come out that I'm aware of that actually help with mental health and understanding of different issues. So we got our little snack time. Well, Owl got her snack time out of the way. And we listened to an intriguing story. So audio audience for a limited time. I think it's like five or six days because we're not affiliate yet. You could go to Twitch and watch the VOD and listen to that lovely story. It's a lovely one. Crying over ice cream. Very specific ice cream. Okay. Yes, very specific ice cream. It has to have lots of sprinkles in it. Just like side note, no mixins other than rainbow sprinkles, but also hang out to the end because we will be talking about a giveaway that we'll be doing next week during the live recording of the episode on Twitch. Tv, the Madhouse podcast. So make sure you stick around for the end of the episode that we'll be making that announcement and how everything needs to be done. And the one rule that you have to follow to be entered to win. Just one rule. And it costs you one rule to rule them all. Yes. And it cost absolutely $0. So we talked about mental health, how it affects people. What are some of the negatives that come from gaming? But now let's talk about the positive effects on mental health that gaming can actually help you with. But I kind of mentioned it earlier on as far as when during COVID, not feeling so isolated, so secluded with online gaming and streaming, it allows you to draw in to a community and feel like you're around people. I noticed that particularly with something like VR chat, even though you can be in VR, you don't have to be. You can play it on a desktop and still hang out with people. You don't have the immersion that you would with a VR headset, but you get to play games with people and see things humanoid type or non humanoids humanoid moving around a virtual world. So there is that. Have you ever played VR chat? I've gone into it, like, once and just like, walked around. I didn't really do much. I would like to. I tried a couple of different things. I tried to play among us. Among us. Vr and VR chat is, in my mind, way better than the 2D or two and a half D original game. Yeah, they've revamped it so it looks a little different now. Yeah. I haven't jumped into it forever. You can have 15 people. Did you know that? 15. Jesus. Fuck. I could barely get a lobby of ten. We were having trouble getting a lobby of five, let alone ten. Yeah. Okay, so there's that. So, yeah, VR chat to me was especially during the pandemic allowed people to socialize because there are plenty of rooms where you can just go and sit and talk to people or listen to nonsense from it like hundreds of people in one particular room in VR world. So I thought that was cool. Some other games that I think can help out with different mental issues or mental stability in dealing with modern mental health. A lot of the transphobia that has in the last few years come about actually is talked about in a video game that I played on my stream called Tell Me Why. So it was a the story from Tell Me Why starts out where a man who ends up being a trans man, so biological female to male transition, meets back up with his sister to investigate the death of their mother in their home that they grew up in. And you go through and you investigate how it led up to the death of their mother. And a lot of things. It's just a great story. I am absolutely surprised at how it was. And I think you said earlier before we started recording was that the first chapter is still available for free. Yes, I think that I got it for free, but I'm not sure if it still is free. I'm sure that, yeah, the first chapter is free. That's kind of how they try to get you to do it because it gets you kind of interested in it. And they're like, all right, now you got to buy the two, three, four. Looks like they have four children. I haven't played it, but I do have it in my library. I definitely should play it because that sounds really interesting. I have so many games. I completed the game and oh, my God. And it says the first chapter or all of it. I believe all of it. I thought you said that you only played one chapter, but maybe I misheard you. I may have misunderstood myself because I've got a few more things as far as the Steam achievements that are showing to finish as far as the game. And I would absolutely love to revisit it because that is a phenomenal game.


    Definitely. It is very story based, driven. So if you're into action and whatnot you're not going to get much of that because it's very linear and it's attached mainly to the storyline. But it is a fantastic story if you do enjoy story based games. So yeah, there's that. As far as the trans community is involved, because it brings it to the mainstream because the author of this game also did Life is Strange, Life is Strange and it's the same aesthetic as Life is Strange as well. That's what I was going to say. I didn't realize that they were connected until I looked at some of the information. But I mean, that sounds very similar. You have a story and yes, you have some kind of like things that you do that can affect it. But it is very I mean, but Life is Strange, at least the first game, because I've only played the first game. It's not necessarily linear, but it does a bit of jumping as well. So that one is a little bit more jumpy. Would you say that? Tell me why it's more linear or does it do jumpy things like that? No, it's very linear. It does have some jump scares to it. Oh, it has jump scares and then it has some puzzles in it as well. As far as you got to figure out certain aspects with clues and then to unlock other ideas or memories, you have to do certain things. So it's linear. But you also have like little flashbacks. Absolutely. Okay. And then another thing, talking about flashbacks and the loss of someone and trying to deal with the loss of a loved one is a game I picked back up recently called Days Gone. So Days Gone is you play a biker in the post apocalyptic zombie world in Oregon. Yeah, Oregon. And he's dealing with the loss of his fiance or girlfriend from the previous world who was a botanist. And of course, being a big bad biker guy, it's considered a true love story. But now this is a very actiony game. It's a third person view game, but you're going through and you learn about people in general. But also you're shooting zombies, hordes of zombies, like hundreds of them at points. And the story follows along with this character, Deacon or Deacon trying to find out what's happened to his girlfriend after she was carted off after being stabbed during the first day of the outbreak. And she may be alive. So he's trying to find her and it's a good story and it's a lot of action as well because again, you're trying to fight off hundreds of thousands of zombies throughout the game and you learn about what it's like to deal with the loss of someone and still have hope and that they may be alive halfway through the game. You have to try and make sure his mental health is sound as losing his arm has taken his ability to keep riding his bike. Yeah, that's actually one of his buddies. Okay. Yeah, never mind. Booster storyline. Yeah, so the booster storyline, Boozer got injured by what is a group of humans who basically worship the zombie heads. Zombie's. Like the zombies? Yeah, the zombies. I just call them Zomb-heads because they're zombies. Who gives a fuck what you call them? But they're cannibalistic group of individuals that use a cult like following and they call them Reapers and they burned his arm with a propane torch and it got infected and of course blood poisoning. So they ended up having to amputate it. And that definitely affects his mental health, I would think. Oh absolutely, it would affect anybody's mental health. And another game dealing with the struggles of life, dealing with adversities and mental health of a couple. You have played it? I have played it. And some of the other community has definitely watched and or played it with me and you. It Takes Two. Yeah, that sounds very interesting. I haven't finished that one yet. So this baseline story is a couple mother and father have a young daughter who I think she's about seven or eight. Very young. Yeah. And they're getting a divorce because the mother is very work driven and the father is artistic, which is not typical of a love story kind of thing. It's usually the opposite, but this takes a different aspect on it. Don't say the end though. No, I'm not. But they are deciding to get a divorce and it's negatively affecting the child. Like she's seeing the pain that both parents are having and she wishes them to go through to fix it and they become basically her toys or two of her toys, a rag doll and a clay doll. And they meet this love book and they go through a wonderful adventure of trials and tribulations as these dolls with specific powers during certain levels to rekindle their love. So since Owls has not finished it yet, I will not spoil it, even though I think she watched some of it with me and Atari. Yeah. But I've seen the beginning aspects. I think at some point I said I think I'm going to play this, so I'm going to just turn that sucker down and not pay attention too much. Okay. But yeah, It Takes Two is a wonderful co op game that is honestly meant for couples that are having issues or friends even that are having issues and it allows you to work together to complete the levels. Is that why you and Atari played it? No, we played it while we were still friends and there were times that we did, we did not necessarily like it. But I have to honestly say that me and Atari became closer because of that game as well.


    One other game I definitely kind of highlighted in notes that I took prior to the episode was another game. It was a single player called The Medium. Oh, yeah, that one looked good. So you play a character who is a psychic in a sense, but she's a medium between the living and the dead world. And she's got not only her own story to uncover, but she also finds out her connection to a strange call that she receives, leading her to an area kind of like Chernobyl, except it was a haunted hotel and resort. And she finds out the story not only of herself but her lost sibling who had passed away. The big thing on this one is, sorry, I don't mean. Yeah, go ahead. Is because she's a medium. She sees not only her world, but like the ghostly world. So during the entire game, you're actually playing it side by side where you're seeing half her world and half what she's seeing and some things you can't do in the real world. So you transition to the after world or the underworld version of it to be able to unlock paths as well. That's just a small list of games that I say directly represent mental health issues in different aspects because the medium, she is different from everybody else around her and she had to come to terms with that and it actually helped her in the end have a better understanding of her past days gone, dealing with separation, loss, what is considered the end of times, and trying to push through to find that happy place. There's also you're missing just one really big one. Yeah, go ahead. Hellblade Sanuise sacrifice. So this is about a girl who loses her partner and it looks like she's fighting to save the soul of her disease partner. And it's actually something that highlights a lot of mental health issues such as, like schizophrenia. And so watching the trailer. And then also they had a secondary part where people sent in messages along with their gameplay of saying how this affected them. I showed this game to my brother because this is what I'm dealing with. And he said, I'm sorry. Now I understand. So it was definitely a game that was very important for a lot of people. Yeah. And The Medium. And also tell me why had very similar reviews on it. As far as coming out to people dealing with homosexuality, like understanding and trying to come out to your family of who you are as an individual. Tell me why it was another one like Hellblade, where it allowed people to express themselves better and not feel. Yeah. Just being able to just strictly explain and not feel ashamed. So that was awesome. On the other side of that, you have your first person shooters. So for me personally, games like Battlefield, Call of Duty, the original Call of Duty not that new trash that they are trying to keep going for the umpteen-th million time. Call of Duty 2067. Yeah. But like, Battlefield bad company too. Especially coming back from war. I had a hard time sleeping in silence. I was used to loud noises. I was used to gunfire going off in the distance. And to help me relax and calm down, I had to play games like Battlefield, like GTA just to hear that gunfire again. And that's actually games that help calm me down versus amp me up, like most people would consider those games. So that is another thing. It's like PTSD. The lack of certain noises can trigger PTSD as well as those noises themselves by surprise. So having a game to where you can immerse yourself into a world like, what is it? Open world RPGs, which are. I know people get so into it. And Skyrim World of Warcraft games like that can help give people what they're missing and even allow StarCraft to. Yeah, StarCraft Two for some you Atari, but those games allow for people to express themselves where they would typically be afraid to do in a regular environment. So it allows people to express themselves and do things that they may not be able to do too. Oh, yeah, definitely. For me, gaming gave me a lot of that, starting to, other than the initial playing of Overwatch and getting pretty addicted at some point, it kind of just was an outlet. I met a lot of my friends. Kira was on there, Cookie was on there, Ollie that shows up every now and again. He was on there. Those are like some of the core people that I've connected with and continue to connect with through that social aspect of gaming, which gave me an outlet outside of just my regular people out here when I don't have anything to do and I can't go outside and I can't go anywhere because I got kids in the house, I can log on to a game and I can message one of my friends and play a game. Yeah, absolutely. And then even some weird, like, simulator games, driving games have started to get a lot more popularity. I met a lot of good people just driving a simulated commercial rig on American Truck Simulator, which Al still has yet to understand why. That was the first stream I watched of it and I was like, God, so boring. Yeah. That's the first time I ever watched your stream. And I was like, this is boring. I don't understand this, but what's funny is those were still some of the highest viewed streams outside of playing VR poker, which is just as boring because of the conversation. Yeah. The weird conversation that you have. Yeah. You have the ability to converse more with people through your chat when you're just driving, just driving, hanging out. Got a steering wheel, got my drink over here, got my Vape and I'm just you're drinking and driving juice in game? Yeah, I did. But fun fact, the community for one of the variations of the online before American Truck SIM or Euro Truck SIM integrated into the base game, a multiplayer system. There was a third party that worked alongside those two games to have a third party multiplayer. And if you were caught by the admin of those servers drinking or texting and driving, they would ban you. Are you for real? Yes. In real life. Did you ever drink while you're playing that? No. I mean, I know you drank, but did you ever drink so much that you actually, like were too much that you couldn't drive in the game? Yeah, no, that I actually never did. Now, I did get distracted by chat and hit a few AI cars and crashed.


    I don't want you to do that. Just crash. Yeah. There's a guy running around with a horse head on ticktock, and that's all he does is he highlights his wrecks during those games. Oh, my goodness. Of course. Oh, yeah. And then there's a Snow Runner where I let Baby Joker drive and he ran into a street side that's a kid playing my oldest daughter played Mario Kart and she couldn't get Princess Peach to not hit everything. And I mean, granted, it was also on Nintendo 64, so that was a little bit different for her, too. She's like, what is happening? And then, of course, Baby Joker looking up at the ceiling and walking into the house since he was playing that.


    And then you end up with stuff like Ready Player One and closely are soon to be a very real thing with the integrations of VR in almost everything now. Yeah, that's going to be interesting. Ready Player One is a wonderful VR gaming movie that highlights the ideas of gamers and the social aspect of life being very much the same. Yeah, we tried to watch that. We got about halfway through. Halfway through. What do you mean we got halfway through the movie and then I think it was your HBO. Oh, yeah. It took a dump. Yeah, that was upsetting, but it's only on the TV. Like, if I watch HBO Max on the computer, it's completely fine. Completely fine. Yeah. That's weird. That may be a movie night that we do for the Madhouse is watch Ready Player One in Discord in a private channel. Off stream has to be on the computer, though. Yeah. So I can still stream it to Discord because it's a copyrighted movie and they stopped doing that kind of thing. But yeah, so there's that.


    Oh, other benefits, other good things that gaming can do. It has definitely been proven to help focus or the attention span of especially ADHD individuals or other mental distractor type syndromes, but also even normal people. I'm using very big air quotes on one hand, but being able to focus the mind puzzles there's so many games that do puzzles. Like it takes two, unraveled two, unraveled two, and even unraveled the first one, which is a solo game, but also Tomb Raider, one of the first games that was very popular. That was a puzzle based game where you had to figure out things on your own. I got stuck in one spot. I couldn't get it. Yeah, I gave up. That was not good for my mental health, so I gave that one up. But like Dr. Leighton, I think is what it's called. That was a fun one. Nice. That was on my thing. The thing. Yes. Okay. Plenty of Escape Room stuff. Games have been popping up recently, so there's those. Oh, man. Me and Otto got stuck on one map for 3 hours. It was like three or four in the morning when we finally just said fuck it and gave up. Yeah. Nothing sounds fun to me. Yeah. So there's games like that. What other games have we played that are puzzles?


    Trying to think, give me a second. And then there's Jackbox. Communication Skills. What's that one game called that we do the Talking Points. Yeah, talking points. It allows for public or public speaking and it is phenomenal. I love the concept of it. Yeah, that was a good one. Well, we also played, I mean, even Phasmo. Yeah. The investigation aspect of it, talking about the different aspects of that and deductions of evidence to what kind of ghost it is, but hand eye coordination as well. Now, of course, depending on how much you play, it can have Pico Park. Oh, Pico Park. Yeah, that was a good one. Gang Beasts or whatever. Was it gang Beasts? I believe that one fall guy like you have to do like reaction time, first person shooters.


    I don't remember the one. There's one on my wish list is Animal Party because apparently that's going to be a big hit. Me and Cookie probably have talked about it like Incessantly and Kira probably as well. I don't know if it's necessarily puzzle, but it's a good one. Yeah. When it comes out, I'm going to play the crap out of that game. The game I'm talking Human Fall Flat. That's a puzzle game. That's not what I said. You said fall guys. Okay. Similar, but not quite. And things like overcooked where you have to run a kitchen together, communication and making sure you do the right thing and stuff like that. And then there's a Warner Brothers alternative to Super Smash Brothers that has all the Warner Brothers cartoons. Animation. You have Nickelodeon. No, it's not Nickelodeon. It's Warner Brothers because it's Batman's and all those. It's a free game if you apply it to early access. I got a message from someone about it. I can't remember who it was. I think it was Super Mario Canadian Streamer, who mentioned that to me. Got you another puzzle game I'm playing right now with Atari and Zach Trian. Yeah. I played that with her and knew we got through most of it. We were here here or we were here together, and we were here before. That was frustrating. That's a huge puzzle game. And. Oh, my God, was it obnoxious? That will test your relationship. Absolutely. Let's see what other good games between communication, cooperation. Now I got to pull up games here. I know. That's what I'm doing right now. See if Thieves. That's a good co op. That's big on co op. I mean, even day by daylight. Co op when you're the survivor. Yeah, survivor side. You got to communicate like, are we doing this, Gen? Who's going to go on hook? Do I go save you? Do I drop this, pallet? Those kinds of things. Let's see what else then. Of course, you got games like Uno, for goodness sakes. It's like, okay. And then you've got your scenic games like Assassins Creed. They're very story based, but they're open world. Another one is Far Cry. The new Far Cry looks amazing. Destiny two. So games like that are very beautiful and are considered relaxing games, even though some of them are very action oriented. Yeah. I don't know what I would play for relaxing. What would be a relaxing game for me? I'm not sure. Visage. Visage. No, I've heard about that one. I've seen streams of that one. I don't think that's relaxing for me. I bought the game Emily wants to play because I was supposed to play with somebody and she didn't realize it wasn't a coop game. It's a single player game. So I bought it, and I still haven't played it because that's another one for me. Oh, quick circle back. There's actually a game that I played almost a year ago, speaking on mental health. It's actually called Eliza. It's more of a story, like a visual narrative, but it's actually her. She goes to work for this AI mental health company, meaning she's a therapist, but she's just saying the words that the AI is telling her to say to the patients. Probably about an hour and a half of it. I never finished it. Okay. It's a good one. It's interesting that they kind of put that concept of a computer basically being your therapist. Yeah. Other games that I think are pretty cool. Red Dead online. I mean, it's the old west version of GTA, but you got to work together in some cases for that one. Deceit, find out who your friends are there for sure. Not me. The forest. The forest. Definitely golf with your friends, you can find out who you end up hating that you never thought that's not necessarily cooperative. That's just the social aspect of that game. And if you want to continue being friends after, don't play much of it or don't turn on collision. If you want to remain friends, at least if you want Joker to remain your friend, you have to turn off collision. I remember the last time I was about to plan it, and you're like, really? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of games there's. Let me see. A lot of games are co op. That aspect is what makes the game so good for mental health is because you're making friends through the games, you're talking things out, you're learning communication skills, even if it's something as simple as are you going to go do that? What do you want me to do? I'm going to do this. It's teaching you the give and take of regular life. Oh, and another game that me and Atari played, that was a co op game. So Two Player online was a way out. Yeah, I thought she played that again. I want to play that one, too. That one looks like a lot of fun, too. And it was a very story driven game as well. But it gave you kind of like Paul. It gives you two viewpoints on one screen, so you see not only your view but also your partner's view in the game on how to do different tasks. So that was cool. Oh, and Green Hill. Yeah, that was fun. Surviving together for sure. Especially when you get someone like Atari jumping through the roof of a building that you needed to sleep in. I would do something like that, too. Why not? Yeah, why not? Why not? It's not real life. So I think this is good a place to end as any for this episode of Mental health and Gaming. If there are any questions, please feel free to reach out to us on our Twitter or here in the stream and we will be glad to answer. If you want something like this again, let us know. We can talk about really anything on this podcast and in this Twitch channel, but we like to I mean, I personally right now I want to keep it more game related in some aspect to have that connection, especially being on Twitch and both of us being streamers and having that connection with a certain community. But we will talk about other things as well outside of gaming. And we like to tie real I personally like to tie real life into gaming because they are, especially in this day and age, very close. Hands into hand. Yes.


    Giveaway. All right, last thing before Owls does her wonderful thing and closes us out for this episode. Episode six. So the giveaway is going to be a pound or 16oz of ground dark roast coffee from our sponsor Warrior Axe Coffee Company. You can find them@warrioraxcoffee.com. They are also on Twitter at Axecoffee, but it is a locally roasted and prepared and a self package. So if you're not watching us on Twitch, it is literally their own packaging and they do it themselves. But it is local recipe that they have come up with. It is a couple, Bobby Alman and his wonderful wife, but she is air force. He is retired law enforcement and he also runs a fitness group that is also there. But we don't ask for discounts Due to the fact that 10% of their proceeds go to some very good charitable organizations like the Gary Senise Foundation for veterans and also St Baldwicks for cancer research, Primarily for children's cancers Where they try to focus their funds. So 10% of their proceeds go of every order go to those two foundations and some other good charities as well. But we will be giving away next week. So the next live recording that happens, which is every Wednesday, 09:00 p.m.. Eastern standard time on Twitch.tv/madhousepodcast. But we will be giving away a pound of coffee for free. The only stipulation is that you have to follow Owlsareahoot92, the madhouse podcast and myself NLMP on Twitch. As long as you are a follower of all three channels, you have a free entry and a chance to win a pound of coffee for free or 16oz or 16 because of the same thing. Yeah,


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    Choosing the best modern router links for. I don't need a modem bait. Well, I mean, we probably could. That would help. Probably. Yeah. Because we are using the standard spectrum, home modems and routers. I mean, this all kind of ties into what we're talking about tonight. Yeah, it really does. So here we go. Go ahead and do your intro and then I'll push the record, I. E. Yeah, you do phenomenally on this. Why not? Oh, thank you. That's so sweet of you. Thank you, Schnuckums. I appreciate it. No problem, Boober. All right. Welcome to the Madhouse Presents Group Therapy where we talk about games. Are you about our different viewpoints? Dive into the strange and whatever you decide in the moment. I am Alex and this is Joker. Hi, I'm Joker or NLMP. If you find me on Twitch and today we're going to talk about being a parent and a gamer all at the same time, not a parental gamer. Because those are very assholeish. From what I've seen. That's different. We're going to be talking about being a gamer and a parent today. Yay.


    If you are joining us on our podcasts that are available on iTunes, Spotify, Radio Public, GooglePodcasts and the Stitcher now. Also we have added I was able to add recently Stitcher and iTunes to the list of wonderful podcasts available. So if you are listening to us on one of those, if it is available in that particular platform, please leave us some comments. If you enjoy the episode, a positive review and a star rating higher than one would absolutely be appreciated. If you don't like it, I mean, hey, tell us what you didn't like about it because we can't get any better if we don't know what's going on. That's true. And also, I don't know, I wasn't quite paying attention completely because you do your spill so well and it goes so smoothly. If you do want to watch or be a part of the live recordings, you can join us on Twitch at the Madhouse podcast. Correct? Mundo. I didn't do that. But you got it. Yeah, I got it. Alright.


    Well, don't worry, I'll let it this out. I'll find a nice little break in between topics here or I just might let it roll with it in the podcast. Who knows? Who knows, we're just going to go crazy. Yes. Also, before we get into the actual discussion, I want to put it out there for anybody listening one way or the other. Let me rephrase this. I am looking for someone willing to help us out in the podcast and it will be a paid position. It won't be like 50 $60 an hour, but it will be worth your time in the long run. We are looking for a transcriber to help in the posting process and making it more visibly pleasing to the listeners out there. Looking at the transcriptions of the podcast so that it separates myself and Owls in the text version of the podcast, just so that if anybody wants to kind of skim through. Yeah, follow along or skim through. Also, instead of listening to everything and just get to particular topics, that's what we want. Or I want really as a transcriber. So if you are interested, please hit us up on Twitter or also you can email@nlmp.org. There we go. Okay, I was going to say it. Oh, go ahead, Madhouse@nlmp.org. And we will try you out within the process. And if there's more than one, or if you do well, you will get paid for your efforts at the end of the trial. And as you continue to do great work, your pay will rise. So keep that in mind. Being a parent gamer. Yes, that's what we're talking about. So the reason why we're turning this into its own podcast is because we kind of left it out of the original Who Are We stream, which was official episode one, and it seemed like it was enough to be its own podcast to us. Plus, we can talk about some other junk in there too. But I kind of wanted to make this because we didn't really have a solid topic to go with for this week. And I was like, you know what? We didn't talk about that. So let's do that. Now, if you are listening or watching on Twitch, you will get a nice little teaser to next week episode that Alice has gracefully come up with, hopefully. And that will be at the end of the Twitch stream and will not be available on the auditory side. Yes, the auditory side. There we go. The professional name for the auditory. No, auditory. If you're only listening to us after it's been posted to one of the platforms, guess what? You want to come to the Twitch because we give you hints if we have them on the next week's episode. Sometimes we're just flying by the seat of our pants. Is that the phrase? Yes. We're just kind of like, oh, we didn't think about that. Oops. I was glad that I thought of something. I was like, that's a good one. So talking about gamers and parents or even adults in general like me, I didn't think about it because, one, I've got so much going on as a military instructor, I don't necessarily have time to think about much. It's like, okay, am I tired enough to just chill or do I want to stream tonight? Yeah, that's definitely a constant battle. What am I doing tonight? What am I mentally able to do versus what I can do with time constraints and everything like that? Managing like, just simply adding that record button. I've wanted to do it for two weeks now, and this is finally a thing. Yeah. So, Alice, since you were newer into streaming/gaming, how has the journey been for you, particularly being a mother and a streamer? Plus, of course, with your husband also playing games, but not necessarily streaming as often as we do. But what are some challenges that you have in your recent time? Streaming have come across a lot of it is when I can actually stream, when there's not going to be a lot of distractions. So I definitely have to think about, will the kids be here? Am I available first? Are the kids going to be here? And am I available to stream past that? It's kind of how long can I actually do it without, like, getting rid of all the other things? So I'm constantly struggling between the schedules of, you know, I work a full time job. I work at a credit Union in the back office situation where I file reports. So all day I work from home, but I can't game at home because, of course, I'm working. So I have to figure out all day working. And then there's a couple of hours that I either have to have the kids or I have some sort of event or something with the kids and then getting them to bed. So the biggest struggle has been making sure that I have a set schedule that the kids are not going to be a part of because my kids are loud. I definitely game during the day sometimes. And there's lots of screeching, hollering interruptions. So that's the biggest is making sure that I'm doing it in a situation where I'm not going to be distracted or have a lot of background noise. Yeah. And most of you that have watched my personal channels, of course, baby Mama and the toddler baby Joker are probably the stars of my stream more than I am. They tend to play well. I say play, but come in and out, and that can be a distractors. And last week, of course, the eleven year old still hasn't grasped the concept of this night versus normal stream nights where he comes in right before bed, which is 19 minutes ago now from the time of live recording and comes give me a hug and is off to bed. And then tonight, for me, was a fun time because, of course, baby Mama's been having a little not complications, but definitely difficulties throughout this pregnancy because the baby is very active and then coveted adding to the stressors on her body. So she was in the bathtub, the toddler was still awake. And that's right. As we were starting the stream. Oh, no. Yeah. So that's what took a little bit longer to get going this evening. But, yeah, putting him to bed. Putting the eleven year old saying, hey, get off YouTube and off your Xbox and go to bed. It's a school week. Get off the Internet. I need it. Get off the Internet. I need to make a phone call. Yeah, right. I remember that stuff. Oh, man. Definitely. And even tonight is a very different thing as well because it is so much geared towards the auditory side that I have to make sure that there's even more, that there's no distractions. And while my kids are asleep, I also have a cat that is incredibly loud. Yes. And we have heard him before. Oh, yeah. He's probably more distracting than all of the kids combined because he jumps up and meows, I don't even know what I could describe it. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. I actually have the cat in my mom's room. I told her she needs to keep the cat on Wednesday nights. Yeah. I'm lucky our cat is auditory, but he doesn't like me as much when I come into this room, so it's a different room. So I get lucky with that. The only time he really comes in here is when the baby or baby Mama come in. I got you. Yeah, definitely. That's another parent thing. Is an animal parent. Oh, yeah. Having to deal with those. Those absolutely count as well. 100%. So, yeah, it's like me. I didn't really start streaming until early or late 2019. I got back into streaming because I started streaming to YouTube. 2016, I think when I moved back to central South Carolina and it was really generic, I was on my own, streaming from a console straight to YouTube, because for whatever reason, Twitch didn't want to work on my console. So I was like, all right, I'll stream to YouTube. It works. It's easy. And I did that for a little while. And of course, I had nothing but a dog and no camera. Nothing. It was just gameplay. And from there, I took a very long break up until the end of 2019 when I started streaming on Twitch again, or for really the first time and got real deep into it. And 2018, I officially moved in or became a permanent fixture in Baby Mama's old house to help her out with Baby Joker before I adopted him. And now eleven year old because she was pregnant with Baby Joker. And I had a little computer. I mean, it was great. I actually was working off a laptop for a while. That's going to be rough. Yeah, it was interesting, but I had time on the weekend after I did chores around the house. So I played and then got a actual stand up PC when I think we moved here. Yeah, I think it was when we moved here, I got the stand up PC and actually started streaming through it from my consoles. But I mean, we had the babies, I was doing my thing, she was doing her thing. And it got progressively more interesting as time went on. And of course, the baby became a fixture. What was it two years ago when I got affiliated and the baby came in, did his little giggles and stole the heart? Everybody fell in love. Which, by the way, if you go to my channel, you can still see that clip. It is apparently still very available and the most viewed clip right now on my personal channel. I'll have to watch it. I love the baby giggles, but yeah, it's fun, especially like, what was it? I can't remember, but I think it was like a few streams ago when we were playing fast and Baby Joker was sitting here and he was moving the mouse around. Oh, yeah. I was trying to teach him the keys because he likes to talk. Just like Daddy, you like to talk. I know, right? You would never guess. So weird. I never would have guessed. He seemed so quiet all the time. I know, right? God, yeah, definitely. Your kids seem to have an interest in the gaming. I mean, that kind of just automatically happens. I feel like the kids see you gaming and then they want to be like mom and dad. So then, of course, then they start to show the interest. My kids love watching me play Dead by Daylight. I don't know what it is. They think it's so funny. Speaking of Dead by Day, or was it. No, it was Faz. I remember when we were playing and we had deaf girl playing with us and she screamed and scared herself. No, that was Secret Neighbor and scared the ever loving shit out of her kid. And there was crying in the background for like a good ten minutes. I was dying laughing. Oh, my God. Yeah. So to paint the picture for those that were not there or have no idea is we were playing Secret Neighbor, and I wouldn't say it's a horror game. It has some jump moments. Definitely has jump scares in it, especially if you're not expecting it. Yeah. So it's one of those kind of like those kinds of games where there's one person that's the neighbor and the rest of you are trying to find the keys to get out of the neighbor's house and into the basement to leave. Why? That makes sense. I still don't know. Yeah, I don't know. The deaf girl was playing and her kid was in the background, like taking off a sweater or something. And one of the jump scares got her. She screamed and as the kid is taking off the jacket or whatever is going on, scared the crap out of her kid. And then there was a lot of crying and noise in the background because she startled the kid. Of course. That was such fun. Yeah. That was a Secret Neighbor. Yeah. I couldn't stop laughing. It was so funny. I was like, I'm so sorry for your kid, but it's hilarious. I laugh at when kids get scared or cry. Yeah. Such a good parent. Well, I mean, our kids were freaking playing or turning into Jackass, like the TV show with Steve O and Johnny Knoxville. Oh, yeah. Their Mama said that to me. Yeah. All right. So my toddler and the eleven year old decided it was a great idea to tie a string to this large carrier tractor trailer with the car carrier trailer attached to it. So the baby was sitting on the trailer side of it with his feet tucked into the middle section, and the eleven year old was pulling him up and down the entry hallway, which is hardwood. So he was going pretty quick. Justin hitting the walls in the door falling off. And it's like, oh, my God. I mean, it's hilarious. It's absolutely hilarious. But that's when you realize your parents like, Be careful, please don't hurt yourself. I really just don't want to go to the hospital. Yeah, if you hurt yourself and you cry because you got a bump or bruise. Cool, whatever. But don't break. Please don't break anything. Are you bleeding? No, it's fine. I can even deal with blood. I just don't want to deal with having to go to the hospital. Yes, that's the worst part. When you have kids and they hurt and you're like, how bad is it? Because kids are pretty dramatic about everything. They could at least mine. Okay, maybe it's just mine, but they'll bump and they'll be like, I need a band aid. Band-Aids are like a hot item in the house. No matter what they do. If they bumped their elbow or fell down, but there's no blood whatsoever, they still want a band aid. Yeah, well, I'm thankful that the baby is not that dramatic. Like, he'll start the whimper and cry, and then I'll look at him and be like, you're fine, dude. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's fine parent. I don't have the patience for it. I'm not the comforting parent I try to be, but that's definitely not my role. Andrew is definitely more the comforting parent, and I appreciate him for that because he's got a lot more patience for them than I do. I'm like, Are you bleeding? No. Then you're fine. Go. Yeah. And I've noticed that being the solo gaming parent right now, the eleven year old, his autism kind of plays into the factor. But outside of that, there was a moderate amount of training that had to go into the family to let them understand, hey, I need you all to keep it down because everybody can hear everything. And it's like using personas. I had to teach the eleven year old, you can call me Joker, but don't call me by my name yet because I'm not ready for the world out there to be able to just access it like that. Yeah, it was a bit of training involved. It's definitely a struggle with Andrew because he just goes by Andrew, so he still will call me by my name. But it's a little more difficult to find me. I think. So I'm okay. Yeah. Because the spelling of your name is more traditional than most people would think. You're lucky it's harder to find you, but it's pretty damn easy to find private. Even if they did find me, I don't think they can get too much information from it. Yeah. But what sucks for me, because of what I do, I have to take an extra level of security and how I especially with how I present myself on stream versus my professional job, I have to be a little more careful. Oh, yeah, definitely. I don't let anybody know. Pretty much at work. I'm like, nobody needs to know what I do outside of here. I don't need anybody to show up to it on accident or on purpose. Yeah. Everybody at work. All my coworkers know what I do. It's fun. Hey, Joker's coworkers. No, they definitely aren't like that watching it. But they do know because I'm required to tell them, considering the fact that my outreach is Internet or worldwide now followers in the UK and elsewhere in the world. By the way, we have a listener in Bulgaria now. Hello, Bulgaria. Yeah. So from the last analytics that I saw, we have, of course, more than 90% in the US, Canada, Norway, and Bulgaria was the most recent one that popped up. Awesome. Yeah. We're talking to all the people. Hello, people around the world. People around the world join hands.


    But yeah. So to me, that's awesome. And trying to teach the eleven year old about online gaming because he's now playing a lot of Grand Theft Auto. Such a good game. Yeah. Be careful with like, what he actually reveals about himself, too, as well. Yes, very much so. I haven't quite gotten to that point because I don't have kids that are old enough to play online games. They'll come over and try to play whatever I'm playing. But as far as actually having their own logins and games, I'm not there yet. So that particular scenario I can imagine is really not difficult. But you have to be very careful explaining all of that. Yeah. Not only are you having to teach them about how they address you when you're streaming, but also your eleven year old, how they're talking interacting with other people. Yeah. Because when we first allowed him to play online games, since he started to have friends, when we moved more into a city or into a neighborhood from the absolute country, we definitely had to let him know that there are people out there that are absolute assets and they will try to make your life miserable just for fun. Just for their fun. Yes. And him having Ashe Burgers, he gets rageful when he can't figure out how to place a block in Minecraft. At times it's overwhelming sometimes. Yeah. I can imagine. Especially when those damn blocks don't snap into place like you want them to. I feel that. But yeah. So we had to sit down with him and explain that. And he's gotten the understanding that there are people out there that do mean to cause you anger and frustration. And you just got to kind of not deal with it or go away from it. I haven't quite figured out how to get rid of you yet. Oh, you want to get rid of me? I'm kidding. Hey listen, you willingly participated in the chaos that is the madhouse. So I don't want to hear shit from you woman. I willingly was at a. I don't know, I'm trying to think of words. I can't. I willingly. I'm okay everybody. I don't need help.


    For those of you that can't see a mouse, help me. Oh God, I did participate so I don't regret it most of the time. Most of the time. I mean if I didn't have some moments where man, God he's so annoying then would we really be friends? No we wouldn't. I'm sure you have moments. We definitely would not have a podcast together if we didn't argue. Oh yeah. I mean hell, me and Atari have argued. Who else? Death is just like this huge pothead that works all the time. I mean that's how he acts with the world. Yeah, that's his personality. He gets raged for long games and that's about it. I can understand that. Yeah, I can too. Especially with those damn flashlights and DVD. Oh my goodness. How damn survivors. Oh my goodness. The game is geared towards survivors. Oh, I still stand by that. 130%. 130%. Got it. Yeah. So I want to take a little bit of a turn. Well if I can remember what I was actually going to say now. Remember it?


    Yeah, I remember now. So one of the other things that I was wanting to kind of talk about, especially for any younger audience that may be listening to us either or watching us on Twitch for the VOD as long as it lasts. I think it's like less than 30 days now until we get affiliate. But the idea of being an adult streamer, let alone a parent streamer has a lot of downfalls to it too because you have to separate yourself or to be successful. And if you're just listening I did air quotes there is because being successful with this type of thing has different meanings for different people. Correct. Twitch and YouTube are the two primary streaming platforms now outside of Facebook or Meta or whatever the hell they're calling it these days. I think it's still Facebook, but Meta is like the umbrella company. Yeah, but the reason why I say that is because when you get on Twitch, of course first milestone is to be affiliate and the next milestone after that is partner. And that's a very huge jump. That's an incredibly big gap. Yeah. I feel like being a proper adult. It's already going to be very trying on your mental health, let alone your body strain that you put yourself in. And Thankfully, I guess for quite a few people it has been very easy to get affiliate if you don't know the tips and tricks that you can do which there are quite a few that are very easy for anybody to get affiliate. It's just really difficult to get it, I guess, the honest way. And then same thing goes with the partner side, because it's 75 average viewers quite a bit. And yeah, that's very much so. I think my highest average view for one stream was 40 for all of 30 minutes. And that was a VR stream doing poker. I'm sorry, that wasn't my average viewer. That was my Max viewer. My average viewer for that stream was only 25. Yeah, I don't even think I've gotten to that point. But, I mean, I've also been streaming now consistently for two years. But the reason why I really wanted to bring this up was because, like I said, just being an adult, having a life away from this computer or away from your console is going to be trying on you because you want to do this. When I was growing up, I wanted to be a professional gamer because I wanted to make money making video games and playing them. And now I'm living the dream. I'm making money playing video games. It's not much. It's pocket change compared to what I thought it was going to be back when I was a teenager. I'm going to be a millionaire. Yeah. Because I'm so good at Call of Duty. I'm so good at this fun fact. Yeah. I mean, I can say I'm decent at Call of Duty before it went to shit because I was in the top, like 9% of the leaderboards for Activision in the world. And I just stopped playing it because honestly, the game turned to shit for me. But that didn't make me millions. And thanks to COVID, the marketplace for streamers and gamers has been saturated to the point where you are a water droplet in a Lake or in the ocean now. And what could have been Discoverability is no longer as easy as it was. That's why you have to do extra things like extra other social media accounts, Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, on top of Twitch. Even if you want to be a primary Twitch streamer, you still have to get that discoverability. You have to do these other things, and that's taking more time away from relaxation if you don't have kids, but then it's also taking time away unless you schedule it properly from your family. Yes, that's definitely a struggle. It's constantly balancing real life versus your online life.


    So, yeah, that's definitely a big thing. It's making sure that you have the time to do all of it. But yeah, I can definitely see, especially with Pandemic, that it definitely got a lot bigger. I feel like Twitch became even bigger than it originally was because everybody had time to stream, everybody had time to watch people stream. People work from home so they can watch streamers and then start streaming as soon as they're off for the day. I started streaming not in the beginning of the pandemic, but a little bit after I started streaming in what May of. So it was about a year after the pandemic started. Yeah, right. When all the major shutdowns and work from home started. I think is right about the end, beginning of 2021. Major ones for sure. Yeah. Cause I mean, I got and I'm not even going to lie to you. A lot of mine was timing and luck, because when I officially started consistently streaming was actually January of 2020. By the end of February, I hit my affiliate goal and got the email at the end of February of 2020. And by March I was having my first affiliate stream and good God, that blew up. It's like Holy. And it was all random. Literally random. One group of people came in, I was messing with them, like talking to them, they were temporarily consistent on my streams. And that's actually how I met death is one of those individuals that hasn't been around since went into Death stream and said, hey, you need to go check this guy out. And he came in reluctantly because I guess he had nothing else better to do like Death did back then. And between him finding out him and Atari were dating and seeing that I had actually been following her for like two or three years. Didn't even know it, I have no idea. But then of course getting with them, starting the Madhouse community. And now we're over almost 120 people deep just in the discord, let alone the outreach that we have on Twitch. Because there's quite a few people that now know that name and know that those symbols and it's like that to me is success. Like right now, I could honestly give a shit less if I'm a partner. But we kind of want to still push for that. Because between me and Atari, as I guess one of two of the closer ones, I guess, to that right now. But we want to push for that because now then we can make an actual Twitch stream team page and have everybody there versus just putting Tags in our About Me section under our banners. So that's really the only reason why I even care about that partnership at this point. Outside of that, I'm having a grand old time where we're at. And like with me, I suffer because of how I do things for myself and for everybody else in the community. I don't hoard viewers at all and I don't like to. I like to push that out to everybody else to help them. And I probably waste more money than I save. Actually, no, I do waste more money than I saved on Twitch and I'm okay with it. And baby Mama is okay with it. She actually encourages it at times. It's like do it, break them. That's the thing. If I come into a new streamer and I like them it's what we call breaking streamers while they're live. I think you did that to me. Did it to you. You gave me. I just remember going ten gifted subs. What? Yeah, I think I see. I did it to you. Did it to Vash. Did it to Jordan, Atari, all the people. Yeah. Literally just about every primary streamer that's within the Madhouse community. I think I've done it too. I mean, for God's sake, I have the record, the reigning record, in bits just in Atari's channel, let alone anybody else's channel that I was messing around with and said, no, I want the first place. I don't think I have the first place thing on there. I'm still trying to figure out how she kept it overall versus week to week or month to month, because I can't figure out how to change that on mine. Interesting. Yeah. I don't need it. It's been an adventure. Definitely some growing pains and struggles and figuring all the things out and getting the courage to do it definitely was something, too. I talked about it for a good amount of time before I actually did it as well. Yeah. And if you want to find out the story of how we got our start in the streaming more in depth, we talked about that back in episode one. So whatever podcast streaming platform you are listening to us on, you can go back and the old episodes are archived within there. So you can absolutely go back to episode one and listen to how we got our start in streaming individually as well. Somebody is doing something in the microwave or backing up a truck. Yeah, it was baby Mama feeding the crotch Goblin. That has yet to become a crotch Goblin. Got you, baby. Okay, so if we're going to switch back to being on stream or for the podcast part. Okay, go ahead and we're live back on. I don't know. So that's going to change a lot when you have the baby, because that's a whole new adventure because you didn't stream as much when you had the baby Joker. Correct? Am I correct on that? One was not as adamant to streaming or had a schedule or anything during the first year of Baby Joker. But I also did not have the following either. So this is going to be a new experience for you because it's going to be tiny little human. Not necessarily the having the tiny human, but now having to adjust things based off of a tiny little human that wants all your love and attention. Well, see, baby Mama seriously thinks that outside of feeding time, she thinks that I'm even going to let her interact with the child because I'm going to try to get as much time with that baby girl as possible. Oh, it's going to be your first girl. So that wrapped around your Pinky finger. I promise you. It's something about a daughter and a dad that just like, well, I'll put it to you this way. I was laying on her. Well, not on, but like, against her tummy. Just kind of cuddling up the baby Mama. And the baby literally sucker punched me right in the eye socket for the first time. Now, I can't really necessarily tell you from physical interaction if it was because of her punching me in the eye socket or the fact that I was emotionally unstable after the fact. But I cried in happiness for like five minutes after that because it was like the physical interaction. It's a feeling. You got to feel the baby regardless of if it was a punch in the face or not. It was still an interaction. It's an emotional time for sure. And then we got it up in the bed as the baby got out of the first trimester and she became more active. And we were laying in bed. I was half asleep and just had my hand on top of her tummy. Well, the baby started kicking in the lower half, so she just moved my hand as I was half asleep. And then I started to feeling instantly just woke up and I was like,


    yeah. So I think there's probably going to be many streams where I'm going to be like, you got to keep it quiet. I got to turn down. That's going to scare me. The baby's right here in my lap. You're going to be like, oh, no, I'm probably going to end up with like, a little dog bed or cat bed in my lap with the baby. There a dog bed or a cat bed. Yes, but you got a Bobby. That's what I did. No, what are you talking about? Obviously, I don't know what I'm talking about exactly. Oh, my God, have you never seen a Bobby? So a Bobby is just like a curved pillow. It's like, how do I explain it? It just curves around your body and you just put the baby right there. I used to literally have a chair similar to this. I would have the Bobby around me and then baby right here. And I would be able to do this because baby would just be sleeping and leaning towards me. I did that all the time, as well as there's things like a Baby Bjorn, which my kids, Milo slept in all the time. He would knock out. It's like a backpack situation, tuck them in, walk around a little bit, fall asleep. And then I would be able to, like, uncomfortably sit, of course, but I would be able to sit kind of at the edge to let the feet dangle. And I would play games. You know what? Honestly, I probably am just going to have a baby Cam and have the other bassinet back here behind me with a very soft glow on her. And the other camera that I used to use pointed at her just to show her laying there, whatever. And I can kind of keep an eye on her, too, because I have my mom. I definitely have a swing. Baby swings are the best. Oh, yeah. I literally don't think we could have survived without that baby swing. We actually even had a thing called a Shusher. You ever heard of this? It's like a sound machine. Please teach me your ways. Yes. Okay, so we found this. I had looked it up before. It's almost like a white noise machine. Kind of the same concept where it just like it has a noise, but it's called a Shusher. It literally goes

    like a shush because that's what you do as a parent. It's like an automatic reaction. You're like trying to comfort the baby. Go, it's okay, baby. So it's that sound coming from this little machine. And we would put Milo in there, strap him in, put the little bird sounds or ocean or whatever, and then put the Shusher on, and he would knock out for hours. Yeah, it's the greatest. And see, I got raised the old way. So when baby Joker was coming up and us living out in the country, like when he first started teasing, we did the beam on the passive dunk, the pacifier and Jim Beam.


    We did my oldest. No, I'm sorry. It was Jack. Jack. I think we did the same thing or something because we didn't have anything else. And she just was so inconsolable. We just rubbed a little bit on her gums. Yeah. I mean, the doctor does not recommend Oral gel at all. Yeah. Because the numbing aspect actually can cause them to stop breathing, which I think is so weird. Like, why is that out there if that's a thing that doctors don't even want you to do? Yeah. And that was one of the things that I learned growing up from listening to the older generation. It's like all this newfangled chit is chemical, and it can actually harm that young of a child. But a little bit of whiskey on a pacifier, that's plastic. So there's not even going to be enough content to actually get the child addicted, let alone actually get them drunk. So it's not going to harm them. But the alcohol part of it, just enough of it will help numb the pain that they've received. That was the biggest thing. So don't put it in their bottles. But one little don't be giving your kid a shot in their daily. Not daily. You feed them more than once a day in their bottle for the time being. Yes. I will tell you all the tips and tricks that I've learned throughout everything. Bottle warmers are your friend. If you can do a wife warmer, that's great, because if it gets really cold in your house, it won't upset the baby. Oh, no, I don't let it get cold in the house. Not necessarily cold. Baby Mama suffers more than I let, and I suffer willingly before I let the kids suffer because I know the babies don't like to keep clothes on once they learn how to take them off. So I tell her we have to keep the house hot or warm, like above 74 if the baby was sick or is sick. Well, I'm not saying necessarily cold, but wipes are naturally just cold. Yeah. So if you're trying to change a baby in the middle of the night, that can upset them. So having a wipe warmer is a wonderful thing because it keeps them warm. And so it's less of a shock when you're trying to change the cyber. And I have all sorts of things. The swaddles I got you guys, those are amazing. Those are the best thing in the world because you don't have to think about it. Yeah. Well, I mean, I knew how to swaddle anyway, as far as wrapping. Yeah. But it just makes your life easier. Yeah. It's less turning of the child Velcro on them. Don't they literally put them in and just strap Velcro, snap, snap, snap, that kind of thing. Any onesies you can find that have the gloves, long sleeve ones that have the little thing that you can turn, those are better because mittens don't stay on babies. They don't. They're the worst. They can get them off. No problem. Socks are such a problem. I don't understand. You could literally duct tape it on the kids and somehow one sock is missing all the time. Oh, yeah. Or shoes once they start wearing shoes. Oh, my goodness. We're dealing with the amount of times a shoe is thrown in my car lately. It's a ten minute drive top from my house to where the daycare is. And almost always I have to re put his shoes back on when I get there. I don't understand it. It's so frustrating. Less than five minutes from the daycare to our house and baby Mama has the worst time with him. And I just recently had to ask her firmly to please stop letting the toddler have his tablet in the mornings because he takes it in the car and then she leaves it there because she forgets about it. That's honest. I get it. And when they come home, it's still in the car. Not charged. Not charged. And it's like, no, we can give it to him when he's home. And it shuts him up now like he's watching Kitty YouTube on his tablet and it keeps him occupied, which we're both very grateful for. But yeah, it's like the eleven year old I can't even tell him not to play games because that's what I do when I come home. For the most part, stop playing video games all the time. All right. I'm going into my room so I can play games. Yeah, exactly. So I can't necessarily do that. But when he has school, I'm trying to get him into the routine. That 09:00. He has to shut it off. Actually, I wanted to get him to 830, so he kind of mentally calmed down for 30 minutes before going to bed. So he'd actually go to bed. Yeah, that's important. I have a hard time personally with that in general. I'll get off of here and I'll go ahead and play games and then I'm like, I sit here and I want to play something else and then I go in my bed and then I just like open up another thing. I'm like, I've got to mentally stop everything to be able to relax. Yeah. So I can understand that, especially at his age, he needs to relax a little before going to bed so they can get up and go to school. Yeah. And I've noticed getting into a more consistent gaming routine, it was a little easier not to get on like, social media and stuff after a stream to go to bed. But even as soon as I hit end stream after we've rated somebody, I'm sitting here at this desk for another ten to 15 minutes, checking and balancing, watching, interacting. But I'm also checking to make sure that the next night the VOD posted like there's extra time that I'm involved in just this podcast that spans two or three days. Hence why I'm trying to, thanks to yours and Atari's recommendation, the other day is trying to find an alternative person to assist. So I'm not stuck doing it for roughly two to three days of editing and post processing before it's posted to the Interwebs and the Red Circle host for distribution purposes. Yeah, it's hard out there. Yeah. And again, for those that missed coming into the Twitch chat deaf girl, we did talk about your incident with your child when you screamed from a jump scare and terrified your child. We talked about that for sure, so might want to check that out later on. Yes, we did a shout out.


    It's like just for me as an adult, it's hard for my brain to shut down. Regardless, most nights I'll lay in bed for good half an hour to an hour before I actually fall asleep. Unless I've done something physically strenuating during the day that's if I'm lucky, at half an hour I can't get to sleep until like almost 02:00 most nights. It's really difficult lately because I'll be doing, of course, through the day work. Then after work, I'm like, either it's dance, T ball, something that I've got to do personally, or just hanging out at home watching TV and having dinner. And then I have to put the kids to bed and then I stream. And so then after I'm done the stream, all the day is kind of coming at me. Like while stream is fun and I play games and that's fun, it's still a mental thing. So shutting that off, I have to kind of take myself back. Sometimes I'll play another game or I'll just sit here and just watch things or just sit here and sit at my desk and then I have to turn my brain off and then that's just difficult. It's like everything starts coming. I'm like oh, I'm trying to go to sleep and then it's like 01:00 and I'm tired but I'm not like sleep tired. Yeah. You're just exhausted versus tired, correct? Yeah. I was thinking about something and I literally had it and lost it. What was it my Alpha brain supplements for memory and focus have worn off from. Another thing about being an adult parent gamer is like our routines, even if we stream every day and we have a routine down, it is very trying, even if you only do it three times a week or less, because outside of this, which we only do once a week as far as the recording side of it, and then the post processing takes me two days because typically the day after I don't stream, my personal streams have gone down to about two or three days most of the time because of now the podcast adding onto it. But like for instance, my day today started at 03:00 this morning. I woke up because of my work, my professional job that I had to get up at 03:00 this morning. Granted, I went to bed at nine, I didn't stream yesterday, but I went to bed at roughly about 930. 10:00 woke up at three was at work because waking up I have to have a gap of about 2 hours from the time I wake up to the time I have to be at work. It was about two and a half hours because it takes me roughly about an hour to wake up and then I get up, do my business in the morning and get dressed and head out. Of course, baby Mama is still in the mindset, of course, of helping out with that and making my mornings easier by making me a lunch or a sandwich or something for the day, which helps out. And I am very grateful for that. Super grateful. I appreciate you. Yeah. So she was up with me actually. She might have actually gotten up a little sooner than 03:00 to start coffee because she'll bring me coffee in the morning while I'm still trying to just wake up in general to be able to sit up in bed and stroll all the social medias to kind of kickstart my brain. And I'll sit there in bed for probably once I sit up. I'll sit there for about ten to 15 minutes depending on the day and how urgent it is that I get ready and then I'll leave for work. And I was at work, literally standing at work at 530 this morning. I've been outside from 530 until roughly about two or 300 this afternoon, outside, mostly on my feet, and then went into the office, my indoors area for about 45 minutes before we left work, came home and then kind of sat down, relaxed, ate dinner and chilled out. Me and baby Mama watch a new movie to us called Home, which is absolutely hilarious. I recommend it because one of the main cars. Are you talking about Home Alien? Yes. I love that. Can we come to the out now? What is it? Yeah, can I come into the out now? Yeah, can I come into the out now? Yeah. By the way, the alien's voice in that is the same character who plays Sheldon on third row in Big Bang Theory. Yeah, Big Bang Theory. Why did I say third rock? What was I thinking about? Who was I thinking anyway? Yeah, Big Bang Theory. Sheldon is the voice of the little alien, so it's absolutely great. I recommend it for all adults to watch. It is awesome. Lots of kids movies are actually really good.


    Yeah, that's actually really a great one. Another one that we've been watching recently or I've been watching again has been all the Monsters, Inc. Movies. Oh, those are fantastic.


    We don't talk about Bruno. We don't talk about Bruno. Another downfall to being a parent is you watch all the kids shows. I've caught baby Mama watching Mickey Mouse Clubhouse more than enough times without the child present. Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, come inside. It's fun inside. You can't use that. Cut that out. No, it's going to stay in. Yeah. No, actually a funny moment that is still I have to think about my mom is probably here and will probably say something about it in just a moment is when we're potty training. My oldest kids don't wipe the best with number two. Trust me, we're learning that. Yeah. So I would always say call for somebody to help. And at one point, my mom was helping my daughter and she needed help wiping and she said, Come inside, it's fun inside. And I was like, no,


    it's just funny because she definitely took a lot of that. It was a long span where we watched Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. But I will definitely I'll watch, like, Octonauts. I love Octonauts. I was talking about that today. That's a good show. You know what show I'm absolutely glad has not transitioned into our baby's generation right now. What? Fucking Teletubbies. Oh, my God. Please know that is actually one of the most terrifying things. Thinking about it is like, those are weird. No, what we watched growing up was fucking weird. Have you watched our old kid shows? I've watched Cat Dog pretty recently. Courage, the Cowardly Dog, Cow and Chicken is so weird. Rocco's Modern Wife, Ren and Stimpy. Those are all really bad. And I just remember, Holy shit, even The Rugrats. Have you seen the old episodes of The Rugrats? Well, I talked to my sister about this once, and it's like your viewpoint of everything changes. So as a kid, you're like, oh, they're just trying to get out and have fun. And Angelica is brat. She's not nice to her, the younger kids. But then I was talking to my sister. And as an adult, you watch it and you're like, Angelica is just trying to be a good kid. She's trying to be good. She's trying to be responsible and good. And we made her out to be such a bad person. And then you also, as a parent, you're like, where are these parents that their kids are just getting out and running all around town? These babies are just running around town. What are you guys doing? These psychos that are not watching your children. Oh, that. And then what was it? And then you're like, yes, my baby does that. Taking the diaper off in the middle of the play, pin with everybody else around. Yeah. Your perspective as you grow up changes on different shows. You might have enjoyed them at one point. And then you go, oh, wait a second. Let's see. AHH Real Monsters was very accepting of different viewpoints. I love that. But the one show that I love so much is so fucking racist in modern context. I mean, there's a lot of things like that because there's no think about it. I'll say the name and then think about the show. Okay, Doug. I haven't seen it in so long. Doug Skeeter. They are racially profiling these characters. Granted, they're not making them black and white, but, wow, I have to watch it again. But it still had a great context, too. Yeah. It's been so long since I've seen all these shows. Luxclus is still good, though. Oh, yeah. Blue’s Clues. Yeah. But Doug was definitely so real. It was like real life. And it didn't give you that imagination side as often. Now, of course you did with his little superhero character. Yeah. Those little side stories. Yeah. I have to watch some of these. It's been so long. Like, sometimes you don't want to go back and watch things over because you've got this idea in your head of how it was and how great it was. And then you go back and you're like, wow, this is actually pretty bad. This is awful. And that's the same with food or like a drink. I used to always say, like, oh, my God, lady and Son sweet tea. It was like the best thing ever. It was so great. And then I went back, like, a few years later, and I was like, this really isn't that good? And for anybody that doesn't know what lady and Sons is, that's actually Paula Dean's restaurant out in Savannah now talking about a drink that we consumed as kids. That to me, honestly, still taste as good, if not better now, than it did when I was a kid is surge. Oh, yeah. I don't think I've had it in my adult life. I know that we've seen it before. And I got Andrew one time


    I thought, you're going to say something like, Tang, no, fuck that.


    Trying to teach our kids things that we grew up on is definitely one of the fun parts because I came into a ready-made family. Really? Well, the eleven year old was my godson. He has been my godson since his birth. He was actually my first God child in my life. And of course, I knew baby Mama since she was 14. When did you meet? How old were you? I was 1819, okay. Because I just graduated high school, and I was going back to the ROTC program to help out, but I was going back to help out with the program because I had friends from previous classes, like the last two classes that I dealt with as a senior that were now leadership. And I was going back helping out, and she was a freshman in ROTC. Okay. Fun fact when I first met her scared the shit out of her when she first laid eyes on me because they were doing what's called a knockout drill. Oh, no, you jump back. Yeah, she jumped back, but she turned around listening to the commands of the eleven-year old’s biological father. And I was standing less than a foot behind her. Oh, no. So you were like, appeared? Yeah. She was facing away from me. And as soon as she turned around, I'm right here in her face. Yeah, it was great. So first husband was there. Looks like you introduced to the first husband. Yeah, he was one of my best friends growing up. When we were kids, his mother and my mother were Church friends. Church friends? Yeah. I mean, that's the best way I can say it. They were friends, period.


    That's when you met and then first God sent through because you kept in contact throughout the years? Well, her first husband was active duty, so they moved around a lot after his first deployment. They spent a lot of time in Germany because she got married to him young. Like, young, pre 18. Okay. And then when they came back to the States, they were in Kansas and mostly central United States for the most part. And it wasn't until after they divorced that I saw her again in person. She actually turned me down in Vegas. So I just got back from deployment and she turned me down in Vegas. You're like, hey, baby. And she's like, no, no, actually, she came and met me and said, I'm sorry, I can't and disappeared again for another. Wait, hold on. Let me do the math here for another six years. She disappeared. Oh, disappeared for six years. That's really playing hard to get. Yeah. And then popped up six years later like, hey, what's up? What you doing? Yes. Can you come help me with some things? Yeah, I may help from you. Is that when you moved in? No, actually, no. She reconnected after baby Joker's biological father stepped out, and we kind of just hung out a few times. The first meal she made for me was absolutely burnt. But for some reason, I went back and I had a second meal that was better. I mean, she started off at the bottom just so that the next meal you're like, oh, my God, this is great. There were literally no expectations at all. What's the way to do it? She was pregnant and bland as steak. Like, it was drier than freaking Sahara Desert. Brisket was banging. But that's why I Cook the steaks now. You live and you learn. But I think they reconnected at that point. Yes. And I started coming over to help out because the house was falling apart because ex husband number two definitely didn't take care of it. So I started coming over on the weekends when I didn't work to help out, fix things up here and there, clean up the yard, mow the grass, that kind of stuff. And over time, it just became easier for me to stay there on the weekends versus traveling 35 minutes from my house that I was at to her house. So I was just leaving work from the road and coming and staying with her on the weekends and helping out. And then it just kind of just me ended up moving in. Yeah. At what point did it switch from like, I'm just helping you out to like, you know what, you kind of cute. I kind of like you. No, it's always been kind of cute. Kind of like you thing. Okay. Ever since she became of age and her and the kids, once she was legal, then it switched. Yeah. There was a little switch in the brain that went, you know what? Not too bad. But originally when I first moved in, it was me trying to help retrain her brain because she jumped from pretty much relationship to relationship. Sorry, Babe, I'm throwing out your business here and I don't want to be that next one. I don't want to be the one she jumps to because I'm available at the time. So I wanted her to experience life. How did that go for you? For a while, it actually worked. She actually listened to my recommendations and she did what I asked her to do because she wanted to be in a relationship with me so bad at that point. Finally, after 14 fucking years. But anyway, it's just a few years. Yeah. After a while, of course, it was pretty much after the baby was born and was stuck. You know what? I like this. I was willingly stuck baby is what really stole my heart. I mean, I still had feelings for her. I still cared about her and the eleven year old. The baby stole my heart. I love you still. But like the baby. Oh, and if you have access to my Facebook, there is a video that was recently reposted of the first time he giggled at me. I watched that. And I actually kind of tiered up with happiness when it was reposted, too. Yeah. Because it's like a moment whenever you see old things, you're like, I remember that. And then that feeling comes back every time I watch a video, I'm like, it takes me and transports me in time to that moment and just how I felt. So I get it. Yeah. It was that moment that I became stuck and realized. Willingly stuck. Willingly stuck. And now I definitely got myself stuck for another 18 years, on top of adding to when the toddler becomes 18 because I adopted him back in February of 2020. But, yeah, January, 2021. The adoption was finalized. So, yes, that was probably exciting. We're about to the closing time, aren't we? Yeah. I just was asking grilling you about all the things about your life. Yes, sir. I don't think I've heard your backstory as far as your relationship. So willingly stuck.


    Willingly stuck. And happy tears are the mottos of this particular episode. When I met Andrew, he had just gotten out of a relationship or not met him when I started dating him, he had just gotten out of a relationship for like three maybe. I feel like it's longer. I don't know, a long time it felt like. And he's like, I don't want a girlfriend. Fooled him. It didn't take long before he was like, okay, I guess we'll stick around. And that was


    almost twelve years ago. In July is when he decided he wanted to have a girlfriend after telling me he didn't want one. So it only took twelve years for you all. What do you mean, twelve years for what? To be the girlfriend. Oh, no, I'm more than the girlfriend now. Well, now, yes, I'm saying. But the time you all met to the time it became official Facebook. No, I'm telling you, we started hanging out in June, and in July, it was like a month and a half to two months before he changed his mind real fucking quick.


    That's what happened. I don't know about that. Andrew don't let her lie. No, it didn't. It was either that or you're feeding him good or that head game is outrageous. He didn't like a lot of food when we first started dating, I made grilled cheese. I mean, maybe he liked the grilled cheese. He still to this day wants me to make the grilled cheese because he just can't get it right. It's grilled cheese. It's like one of the easiest things to make. Two slices of cheese, butter on the outside of the toast. Toast it and then put the cheese on the toast and close it up and flip it a few times. A few times you ruin it when you flip it too many times. Now you get to put the butter on the outside. One thing of cheese and a thing of Ham, and you only flip cheese. Yeah, but it's what he wants. And I make it just grilled cheese most of the time. But yeah. Anyway, that was one of the only things I can get him to eat because at the time, he didn't like ground beef. It's such a weirdo. And so it's like, you like chicken and I'm like, I'm not making chicken. I'm like a College student. I'll make you a grilled cheese. Yes, but I don't think I put the Ham in it. When I first started making the grilled cheese, it was like grilled cheese or like, I have a packet of ramen. A connoisseur of food knows how to Cook ramen and make it good. I like a good ramen. We went to a ramen place pretty recently, and I really enjoyed it. I made it really spicy, too. I've liked spicier food since meeting Andrew. Good. Now we just got to get you up to par on those last dabs. Last dabs. I don't think they'll ever be up to par on those. Those are really difficult. Yes. We need to get you better. I'm better at them. That's saying we need to get you some spicier sauces. What do you mean, spicier sauces? That's pretty fucking spicy for me. I still cry and have a hard time talking for, like, ten minutes. I'm like, I'm so sorry. There's just a lot of saliva in my mouth. I can't fucking breathe. You guys try to do the marshmallow and the hot dog. Yes, the chubby Bunny and the last half at the same time. The last shall be funny. I probably almost died. It's fucking awful. All right, so I'm going to go ahead and say that this will be the closing of our lovely podcast. If you want to check us out. We are on iTunes Spotify, Red Circle, primarily because they are our RSS host for the podcast audio files. And then of course, now we have Stitcher as an available option and Google Podcast. You can find us at any of those platforms at Mad House Presents: Group Therapy. There are currently six posted episodes, but five structured-ish episodes. The first one or the pilot was definitely us just working out the kinks and talking about everything and how we came up with the name as well. So that is in there. If you ever are curious how we actually came up with the name of the podcast and podcast channels and I don't even remember what I didn't want it to be. What was the one I didn't want it to be? I don't know. I have to go back and listen to myself now. Oh, my goodness. I was like, no, not now. I remember. It was outrageous. What happened? I was like, no, this cannot be the name of our podcast. I refuse. So Owls, where can they find you as far as socials that you are willing to share and your personal change so you can find me, of course, streaming on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays at 09:00 p.m. Eastern standard time at Twitch.tv/owlsareahoot92. Owlsareahoot92 is across all the platforms. I have Instagram and TikTok that I try to update pretty regularly and that's really I think it for me. I don't have anything else. Yeah, we're trying to get her a Twitter y’all, but she still is not jumping on that bandwagon just yet. So help me annoy the shit out of her to get her on Twitter. I have kids. You can annoy me all day but you can also find me at Twitch.tv/nlmp also on TikTok as what is my Tik Tok; on Twitter you can find me at nlmp_joker and of course the madhouse Twitter channel is MHPGroupTherapy. We have just recently changed it so if you listen to the, oh Official_NLMP on TikTok thank you. It's official NLMP on the Tok on the Tokyo. I posted some gaming more recently and not so much previously on Instagram, my gaming channel. You can find me at NLMP gaming and again we have the Twitter's channels for both myself at nlmp_joker and MHPGroupTherapy for the podcast Twitter channel. Any resources we use in the show will be added to our show notes. I don't believe we had anything this week though for that. No resources, not really. We'll do the show notes and put our links to our channels. 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    1h 27m | Mar 1, 2022
  • Ep 4 : Phasmophobia vs Real Life | Cursed Items

    SHOW NOTES:

    Streams Links

    • Mad House Podcast Livestream (https://www.twitch.tv/themadhousepodcast)
    • Joker (https://www.twitch.tv/nlmp)
    • Owls (https://www.twitch.tv/owlsareahoot92)

     

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    Resource Links

    -         www.tarot.com

    -         https://phasmophobia.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_possession

    -         https://www.thegamer.com/phasmophobia-cursed-possessions-update-full-details-new-features/

    -         https://www.gameskinny.com/vw6pw/phasmophobia-ouija-board-questions-guide


    TIME STAMPS

    In-game Items

    Music Box (0:05:19)

    Voodoo Doll (0:11:00)

    Cursed Mirror (0:16:14)

    Summoning Circle (0:21:37)

    Tarot Cards (0:28:36)

    Ouija Board (0:35:32)

     

    Real Life Counterparts

    Ouija Boards (0:45:08)

    Summoning (Magic) Circles (1:02:50)

    Tarot (1:12:35)

    Voodoo Dolls (11:17:37)

    Mirrors (11:21:20)

    Music Box (1:23:09)

     

    Transcription by app.getwelder.com/transcription

    Welcome to the Madhouse Presents Group Therapy where we talk about games, argue about our different viewpoints, make fun of Joker's voice, dive into the strange or whatever we decide in the moment. I'm Owls and I'm going to let myself introduce the Joker NLMP over here. Thank you. Tonight, we're going to talk about the cursed objects in Phasmophobia. This is a continuation from last week where we talked about the different evidence and how it is compared to real life. But this week we're going to talk a little bit more specific to the game with the new cursed objects that have been implemented into the game.

     

    Now, as far as the cursed items, when did that update come out about? It was December 10, is what I believe that I saw. December 10, 2021. Let me pull that up again. I'm thinking that that is the correct. Yeah. The information was posted on December 10, 2021 at 11:00 a.m. So, I'm going to say either it happened on that date or happened very close to that. So, it was just like two and a half months ago, maybe tops. Got it. It's already been two and a half months since last year on the Gamer.com where the article that you sent that you referenced and we will put in the show notes, it says since September of 2020, Connectic Games has bought consistent updates to Phasmophobia recently. I know what's in here. I just saw it. No, it doesn't give the date on there. Ever since it's released in September 2020, Connectic Games has brought out consistent updates to Phasmophobia that have since introduced a wide range of new aspects to the game. It looks like maybe initially they just kind of kept the base game as it was, but then started making a lot of updates, probably because they lost a lot of people playing the game and they wanted to kind of continue on and keep getting people to go into it. That's what I'm thinking. There's been a lot of updates. Yeah. What I foresee is that a lot of the bigger streamers stopped playing it as much on the different streams, whether it be YouTube or Twitch. And that's when they decided, well, I guess it's getting stale. Yeah. I mean, you can only play it so many times before you're like, all right, well, this is getting kind of boring. So, a lot of the updates have actually made it so that it is more enjoyable to play. And it does get a little scarier again for me. I do find it doesn't matter what level you are anymore because of all the changes that they've made to the game. It's so different. It's so drastically different from when I first started playing it to now every single time, different modes, everything and even some of these objects I haven't even come across. I'm going to go ahead and say the music box is one that you're talking about. Yes. I have not come across that one. So, I guess we'll go right into that one. Well, see, here's the thing, because out of the list that I've seen, the only one that was in the prior bill of the game was the voodoo doll. That was the very first one to come out. It wasn't the way that it is. It was in the game, but it didn't make sense, but it was usable. As far as the pins being prodded into the doll itself, I don't remember them being there. I remember there being a voodoo doll, but no actual interactions with it. Like you can mess with it and throw it around and it wouldn't upset the doll or upset the ghost, but it wasn't a cursed object in the sense that it is now. Like it was present. But it's definitely been updated. Yeah. And then, of course, you have the Ouija board as well. Yeah, the Ouija board was already there. It's just been updated a lot more as far as features and what you can do with it. Yeah, that's where the other website link in the show notes as far as what we're referencing tonight. Yeah, well, definitely with a music box, I've never come across it. Have you come across the music box? Yeah. So, this one's a relatively new thing. I've learned a lot by looking this up because now I'm going to look for these particular, I probably would not have looked for the music box because the music box, it's just like a little wooden box and apparently it shows paranormal entities singing along to this haunting melody and then it says don't get too close. It's supposed to let you hear the ghost, meaning that you can identify the ghost room easier. Or the music box. It has a one in six chance per contract of being chosen as the cursed possession that will spawn with one specific spawn location per map, a specific one. So, each map has a spot that it will be, and that's where it'll be regarded if it spawns if it's the item. Because in each map or each, I guess, game session there's only going to be one cursed item. Correct. So, you won't have a music box and a Ouija board at the same time unless they again update it later on that you could have more than one. I had no idea. I'm going to definitely look at this, but yeah, I was not aware that it had a very specific spot. Yeah, I haven't been able to see where it is in the Wiki text, but it definitely helps to know it's a one in six chance. So, if you can find out specific location, then you can go straight there to look for it instead of trying to find what just running around the map kind of thing. And is this for all objects or just the music box in general? All right, well, let's see. Next option. And it has also a one in six chance. That's a one in six chance of it spawning per cost because there's six different cursed items. So that's not necessarily, in other words, where it's going to be. It could be completely random. Okay, but you've confirmed within that article that the music box has specific locations in each map. Yeah. And some other resources I was looking at were saying that that's one of the only cursed items that has a very specific spot that it can't spawn. Got you. I mean, that makes sense because it's an item that would be specific to areas. You're not going to find a music box, maybe in the garage, like not in the bathroom. That's not going to be there. It might be in, like, a bedroom or a kid's room playroom living room, like that kind of places. That would be, in a way, logically where it could be. So maybe they're using logical as a place for it to be, but who knows? Again, I've never experienced this one. I don't know exactly the exact mechanics. I was reading it. So, it says you can identify the ghost room easier. So how would that help you? Have you read how that works? As far as playing it. The ghost can be heard singing along early. So is it that when you have the music box open, you're using it, the ghost will sing? So, then you start following it until the ghost gets louder? Is that what I'm saying? That's what it seems like. Yes, that's exactly what it is. So, you're holding the box and you turn it on or however you do the interaction with it, go start singing along with the box. It sounds kind of far. You start to move. It's like the hot and cold kind of aspect. Like as a kid, you're like you're getting warmer, colder, warmer, colder. But instead of that, it's like you're getting louder as you're getting closer. Now what it says here is if the music box is 5 meters or less from the ghost or I'm guessing the spawn location. Yes, it will manifest and start walking towards the box. If the ghost walks for more than 5 seconds, the player will reach zero sanity. Wow. Yeah, I didn't see that. I don't know the specifics, but it does say also, if it gets too close, it will trigger a cursed Hunt and the music lid will Slam abruptly shut and you have to run to find a hiding place. Stop playing. Hunt starts as a result of other reasons. So even if it starts to Hunt for some other reason, it'll shut immediately. That's a trigger to let you know that the ghost is hunting well. And also, it's the cursed Hunt. So that is a newer aspect that's going to be kind of along the lines of all the different cursed items, possessions. It's the curse Hunt. So, I looked this up. It says you only have a 1 second Grace period. So, like other hunts, you have a little bit longer before it starts to actually come for you. You got 1 second before it starts to come for you, and you have to get away with the beer the other night. It cannot be stopped by a crucifix. So, crucifix is not going to help you in any way. As well as following a cursed Hunt, every normal Hunt that is triggered afterward Will last longer than it normally would have. So, I think the initial cursed Hunt is longer, as well as it lengthens the other hunts after it. So, it's a little bit of a slippery scale. All right. All right. So then kind of moving along. We talked a little bit about this already with the voodoo doll. Like I said, I personally never saw it where it was usable before. I saw the voodoo dolls in general as kind of like a prop and then, like, moving around like, the Teddy bears upset it sometimes, that kind of thing. But I've never seen it with the pins. So that was a lot newer for me on screen right now Is what the original voodoo doll kind of looked like. It basically was a sock puppet or a sock doll. Yeah. That's kind of what it looks like. And a stitched mouth. I remember less than a year ago, like maybe four or five months ago, Playing the game, And I picked it up, and it said interact or something like that. It took a pin and poked it, and then the ghost started hunting. But apparently this is now what it looks like. It looks very different. It's got let me see if I can. I'm pulling it up right now. Yeah. So, it's Brown with some Gray spots, like, you know how raggedy and dolls are with the different kind of patches of fabric. It's got, like, the two different colored eyes. Are those buttons? Yes. They're stitched on button stitching. Yeah. As well as heart little cutout heart fabric. And then, like, different pins in different colors all over and one in the heart. Is that a good description of it, would you say? Yeah, I think it would be like, a fabric hard onto it. One button versus three buttons of the previous version.

     

    Yeah. So, it's a little bit different. These ones have what is it, ten pins? If I'm reading, I feel like I had this doll is filled with nine pins and one heart pin. So, ten pins, in theory, just nine random ones all over and one heart pin and that little fabric heart. And each time you do a pin, it does a different kind of interaction with the ghost, Kind of like that. And it takes away 10% of your sanity every time you do that. Let's see.

     

    Okay. And then also, where does it say the randomly syncing heart pin Will trigger a cursed ghost Hunt? So, it doesn't look like it's the very last one it looks like it can randomly be put into the heart. Yeah. So, on the Wiki side, it's one of those things that you want to take a picture of, kind of like the bone or the Ouija board. Interacting with the voodoo doll will cause one of the ten pins stuck in the doll to be pushed into it at random. So, you could have a different pattern every time you interact with this thing. It will cause the ghost to perform an interaction and will drop your sanity by 5% each time it says 10% on the one I did. If the heart pin is pressed down, the user sanity will drop by 10% and a cursed Hunt will initiate immediately. I do remember the first time I saw this, and I had no idea. I'm really bad about when updates come out for games I kind of like to experience. It just completely new. And I picked up the doll and I just went, what am I doing? Click, click. I did every single one of those pins I remember. That was interesting. I was like, what does this do? And then it started hunting. God Almighty woman. Sorry, what was that? Nothing. Continue. Let me see if I have anything else on this one. Force goes to interact. Yeah, definitely.

    There's not a whole lot more with the voodoo doll just because it's very straightforward. Other than, like, if your sanity is less than 10% when you try to use it. All depends. So, as it does it randomly, you have to have sanity in order for it to continue going. But if you have less than 10%, all the pins, like, if that's your first time and you already have your sanity at like 5% and you go to use it, all the pins get sucked in. So, it's a one-use kind of situation. And then, of course, the cursed Hunt will trigger. So then there's the other one we talked about, the haunted mirror near mirror on the wall. No, it's not like that. Well, kind of in a way, yes. Because it is posted up on a wall at random throughout a house, not on a wall. I've seen that when I was in the high school. It was just on the stairs. Or maybe that's where because Zack was playing with us. Zack may have put it on the stairs or. I don't know. I don't remember it being on the wall. Yes, it could have been. I have noticed it on the wall, and house is usually by the front door. That makes sense. Now, according to the Wiki, it says that it is also spawns in one specific location per map, so it should be found in the same location every time you play a type of map. If it spawns. Okay, so it's similar. Like the music box has a specific spawn point. Okay, this one is more so it's not as bad as what the interaction. Generally, it's something that you want to find pretty quickly in the game because it's going to help you find the room. As long as it doesn't crack. Well, you can't stare at it. So, the thing about the Honda mirror is that it shows you the room. You look at it, but you can't look at it too long. It can only be used inside of the location. When you're using it, an animation will play out? You look around the room from where the ghost is the location. As the ghost can move around, it has a massive effect on your sanity as you will lose about 7.5 sanity per second. Use it when all your sanity is gone, then the Mariner breaks and it starts the cursed Hunt. So, you, in theory would like, probably don't want to look at it too long, of course, but you want to make sure that you have enough sanity to look at it for the needed amount of time to be able to describe the room because it's a panning motion that it does. So, it sweeps from one side, usually from my experience, from right to left in the room and shows distinctive areas. Yeah, I've only seen it a little bit when we were trying to use it. I saw kind of like the smoky look of it. And then I went back, and it was cracked. And then I had to run for my life, which I eventually lost the same. It was a game we played it with you, right? Yeah. I think that was one of the first times we played the new update that happened for you. This last time we all played together, I grabbed the mirror, didn't tell anybody. I was like, hey, it's this room. It's a blue room with something on the wall. And I was like, oh, shit, it cracked. And all I hear is that what the fuck are you doing? Stop. Well, we don't really know how all the like I said, looking at all this information, I've actually learned quite a bit about the different updates within the game that I can actually use. And I doubt that I'll do this ever again other than to research for this kind of thing. But now I know how a lot of these different things work rather than going, wait, what? And running when a mirror cracks. I do remember you going, it cracked. And we're like, oh, no, you better go. You better find a place to hide for a good amount of time. Didn't even. And I blocked everybody in because I was at the front door when I did this. Everybody was deep in the house. Yeah. It was very nice. Very kind of you to do that. Yeah. Just always thinking about other people. Absolutely. I can't die alone, you know. Isn't that the dream to die with somebody? Your three ghost hunting friends? Absolutely. I mean, that one is pretty straightforward. It's just another option to look for the room. It seems like a good portion of these are to help find the room because I know they've made it a little bit harder with certain things to find the room. Like you no longer can use temperature right away, so that's not a big factor. EMF is a little bit more troublesome to find the room, I would say. So, I think they're trying to balance out the different things that they had to take away and give different options. But also, there's the drawback with all of these things. And then there's other things like the summoning circle, which we've had a lot of good and bad experience with quite recently. So, I mean, the summoning circle is kind of exactly what you think it is. It's to summon the ghost. And there's like a number of candles in a circle, hence summoning circle. And it is the pentagram, right? Yes, if I'm remembering correctly. Okay, a pentagram. And then around the circle, there's like all these little kinds of runes. Yeah, the symbols around it. I'm going to see if I can find a better image of the summoning circle because I can actually read the runes around it. Oh, you can read. Okay, well, while you're doing that, I'll kind of give a little bit more description of it. So, this one is meant to summon and trap the ghost, but this is temporary after a portion of time, I don't know the exact time frame. I don't know if you offhand did some research and found out the exact time frame, but it'll break free and then it'll go into, I believe, a cursed Hunt. Yeah. So, a cursed Hunt. So, this is generally used to complete the optional objectives. So, things like going through the salt. One of the objectives in the game is getting the ghost to walk through salt, getting a picture of the ghost witnessing a ghost event. Those would be helped by having the summoning circle. And it looks like they are taking pictures. So, you get a higher star rating for your pictures, more points, more money. They're all five candles. So, you can, like four of the five candles. And it still doesn't do it. One thing that we learn is you need to be on the outside of the circle. Yeah, you can't light it inside. So that's the thing that we did learn. We were playing with our friend Cookie and Atari and I; we still don't know everything about the game, and we didn't even think about watching him. So, we're like, oh, yeah, let's go. Let's do the summing circle. It's in the front of the prison. We're all going to do it. I got my camera ready. And so, we walk in and Cookie's lighting it, and he's on the inside and he's going to light the fifth one. Tori and I are ready with our cameras and we're ready to take the picture. He goes, all right, I'm lighting the last one, and I go, and I click it, and we don't see the ghost. We're just like, what just happened? And then we see cookies character stand up and start choking. He's been killed. Well, not obviously, because we didn't think so. If you're in the circle, apparently it doesn't matter if it's trapped in the circle, you're also there, and you get killed. So that's something that we learned definitely within that game is that you have to be on the outside of the circle or to die. Sorry, I had to go get some tea. You're fine. But the runes around the summoning circle actually repeat. So, between each set of candles, it repeats the same rooms. And what it says is sacrifice your sanity. Well, that's what it says. That's interesting. I had no idea. So, it says, Sacrifice your sanity. And it referenced what they have here in the Wiki. As the summoning circle can be used by lighting all five red candles with a lighter. Each candle deducts 16% sanity for nearby players, leading to a total of 80% being deducted for all the candles. So even if you don't die, you still lose 80% of your sanity just by being around. Just by being around it as someone likes it. I had no idea. That is actually really interesting. Now, you were talking about the Grace period. So, summoning the ghost where it stays motionless for one to 6 seconds. So, it could be anywhere in between that it could say 1 second. Or it could be like, I'm going to take 6 seconds. Yeah. So, I'm pretty sure it depends, of course, on the type of ghost. A demon would probably be like, 1 second, and I'm coming for you. Yeah. Now, here's one thing it does say is all five candles are lit. The ghost is summoned and fully materialized, except for the shade, which is the really shy ghost. Yeah. So, it appears as a transparent shadow. Interesting. All right. But it stays motionless for one to 6 seconds, unable to kill anybody. After that Grace period, it immediately initiates a cursed Hunt on the spot. So, you have roughly one good second to get a picture of the ghost, and then you need to get the fuck out of Dodge and hide. Oh, yeah, definitely. What we did when that happened is we took a picture as soon as that last candle was lit, and so that's why we were so confused, because we're, like, we didn't see it. Well, it might have been shade, or you snapped too soon. Well, we didn't see it because it materialized and killed Cookie immediately. So, it was probably a demon. Well, he was in the middle of the circle, so it doesn't really matter what it was. You missed that part because it's a T. No, he lit it inside of the circle. None of us really thought about that when he was doing it. We're just like, all right, light it and he was in the middle and got killed right away. So, it didn't even have a chance to really materialize because it already had somebody to Hunt. So, note to self self-lighted on the outside. Yeah. And will remind me of that fact when we get to the IRL counterparts. I can give you a little more understanding of what the real world says when it comes to summoning circles. Okay, I'll let you leave that aspect because I wasn't quite prepared for that part of it. Then there's next the Tarot cards. So, I mean, just about everybody knows what a Tarot card is, but there's specific ones within this game. It's ten different cards in a deck and they have each a different kind of thing that they do. They're positive and negative effects. So, this one can have good things happen, but you don't know what's going to happen until you start drawing it. So, there is actually ten of them. There is the High Priestess. A random dead teammate will be revived. So, if you had somebody that died earlier and you draw that somebody will come back to life, you have the hermit similar to like smudge sticks where it repels the ghost. It will prevent the ghost from roaming or hunting for a brief period of time. The Wheel of Fortune. If the card Burns green, players will gain an additional 25% sanity. However, that Burns red, they will lose 25%. So that I didn't know the Hanged Man, the player who draws this card will die immediately. Death. You would think that death would be immediate death, but it actually just triggers a ghost Hunt. The devil. A ghost event is triggered the tower. This will trigger ghost activity to occur. So maybe like something being thrown in the room is what I would assume. The moon fully depletes sanity to zero or the sun that fully increases sanity to 100%. And I think that's only on the person who is using the deck. And then within all of those is the full a joke card which briefly shows you a bad card only to disappear into the fool. So, it may show you something like the Hanged Man which would make you die, but then immediately switches over to the fool which says just kidding. Got you. It's not really a bad thing that's going to happen to you. And with the fool, it can happen on multiple draws of cards. Correct? I did have it happen like four times in a row. I had it happen six out of the ten cards. So, each time you pick up a set of Tarot cards, you have ten draws that happen per game and you have a chance. The fool can also spawn on the quote unquote good cards as well. I have had a High Priestess turned into a fool and the High Priestess is the one where it revives. Yes. So, one thing with Wiki that's a little different is each card. When it takes effect, it Burns off and it typically will burn a different color. So, like the sun will burn yellow, the moon will burn off white, the tower will burn blue. And then the Wheel of fortune, either depending on its effects, green or red, the devil Burns off in a reddish pink. It's purple after it switches from whatever other card that it was. Let's see. So, it says that there are no effects whatsoever. It's like drawing a null card. The hermit Burns a bluish color and if it's right in front of you and you draw the hermit, it transports it and it's trapped there for a minute or roughly about a minute in the ghost. Okay, so that's an added thing. Of course. Death triggers a cursed Hunt. Hangman is an instant kill on a person on the player that has the cards. So, these are generally all if you're the one holding the deck, you're the person that gets affected. If it's a specific effect. Purple, of course. For death, no color Burns for the hangman. It just disappears along with your life. Yes, along with your life. And then the yellow burn for the high priestess. I didn't know that they had different colors. I think I've only used it like once.

     

    There are percentages for possibility of receiving these cards. 5% for the sun, five for the moon, 20 for the tower, 20% for Wheel of fortune. So, I'm guessing that's roughly 10% per burn on that. Outside of that 20, and then 10% on the devil, 17% outside of a Hunt. For drawing a full card, but 100% during hunts, it says so minus the hermit, which really sounds like it only activates during a ghost Hunt. Or it's only effective during a Hunt or during the ghost roaming. I think that's when that of the fool turns into a little less. But of course, 10% for the hermit, ten for the death card, 1% for hangman, and 2% for the high priestess. Now I have had the high priestess spawned for me, but no one had died yet, so it was ineffective. We actually had it where somebody had died, and it didn't work. I don't know if we maybe missed the full part of it or what happened because I think it was mom's holding the card and so all we did is hear what the card was. So maybe she missed the full part or it just glitched. I think Atari was dead. I mean, there are new features, so there's bound to be some glitches here and there. Definitely.

     

    I learned a lot because I didn't really know all of the different cards within there. And then the last one of the cursed objects, which is one that was already within the game but had been quite updated, was the Ouija board. So, the Ouija board, of course is just the same as everybody knows it to be. Just that wooden board with all the letters on. It has the yes. No, I believe it has. Does it say hello and goodbye? If I remember correctly,

     

    yeah. Hello. Goodbye. Yes. No. A through Z and one through zero. Okay. Yeah. So, with the Ouija board, it was simple phrases like when did you die? How old are you? Where are you? Those kinds of things. But the updates made it so that you must now say goodbye when you're done talking to it. You can't just turn it off. You can't just say see you later, click. You have to actually say goodbye to the Ouija board or it continues draining your sanity, if that's what I'm understanding. This is redescent of the real life Ouija boards. We'll just kind of tie this into the IRL stuff after the short break. But typically with Ouija board, if you activate it and actually do get responses for you to cut the ties or the tie from the Ghost Realm to the real world, you have to say goodbye and they have to respond with goodbye. Otherwise the darkness or the evil coming from the other world can still drain into the real world. And as far as I've seen it, with the game, if you say goodbye, it automatically no matter what says goodbye or breaks. Because now versus the older version of the Ouija board, where you could just click it off and light would die and it would be a black board again, the letters would go dull. Now you have to say goodbye and instead of just turning it off and then instead of it burning like the old version did, it breaks. Yes, it does. And then if it breaks, then a cursed Hunt starts. To my knowledge, yes, you must say goodbye. Yeah. The board will break itself up and trigger a cursed event as well as it looks like there's a new phrase, hide, and seek, which will trigger a countdown on the board at the end of which is a cursed Hunt and a broken board. So I didn't know about that. You can play games with the dumb. I've never done that, and I kind of want to do that now. Do you want to play hide and seek with a cursed Hunt? Just for research purposes? So I won't go through everything, but there's quite a few questions that I didn't know that you can ask the ghost. We do the typical where are you? How old are you? When did you die? That kind of thing. There's actually things that you can ask it. I won't go through them all. You can ask where your sanity is or like what your sanity is without having to go to the truck, which is really useful if you're playing alone solo. Yeah, you can ask it where the bone is. Did you know that? Yes, I did know that because I think Atari actually did it one time. Yeah, I didn't know that at all. And that's actually really good. To know. You can, of course, find out how long it is, how many ghosts are present, how many people are present. Now, while she's going through those, there are really only 13 different types, as you can see on the screen right now, dealing with location, age, how they died, room count, sanity, method of death, bone location, yes or no questions. Hide and seek, how they are feeling, purpose. Like, what is their purpose of being a ghost? I got something about a joke. Yes. Knock knock. You can say knock knock to it. Yeah. That was one of the things I found I thought was really cool. And you can also ask it, am I pretty? I'm going to ask it next time. Am I pretty? Do you hate me? Are we friends? I saved this because I'm going to do all of these things. Also with shyness. These questions tell the player whether the ghost responds to people who are alone or to everyone when using the spirit box. So do you respond to everyone? And I'm guessing that would be yes or no question. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't see that one. You can also do Marco Polo. No way. I'm guessing that would be its response because it says knock, knock. It would be Marco or the two joke questions or response or things you can say for it to give you a response. Interesting. Yeah. I saved all these because I'm going to ask a lot of these questions

     

    to initiate the hide and seek portion or the countdown from five. So you have 5 seconds. Once it initiates, it says do you want to play hide and seek? So I thought you just said hide and seek because saying do you want to play hide and seek is different than saying hide and seek. So if you said like, do you want to play hide and seek? And if it said no, then you just no harm, no foul. Yeah, in theory, right? Yeah, in theory. But if you see it goes straight to a number, you better start to run. Oh, yeah. You got to start getting while the getting is good. Yeah. So sanity monitor. Some of the questions that the Wiki shows is what is my sanity? Or greater than 80%? 60% to 80%? 40? 60%? 20%? Less than 20%? Yeah. Or how insane am I? You would get greater than 50. 25 to 50 and less than 20. 05:00. A.m. I insane greater than 90%? No. 20% to 90%, maybe. And less than 20%. Yes. So if you get no yes or maybe that would be what your percentages are. If you ask how crazy am I? And you get not very, very insane, then you get those percentages. So it's specific questions will give specific answers that you kind of have to have these references up. Unless you are really good at remembering all this because there's no way I would remember if it was like, oh, awful that means 20% to 40%. I mean, that's too much for my brain to. Oh, that's not even. It's under 20% for mine. For awful bad would mean 20% to 40%. And then to find out, the ghost room, Where are you? Which everybody's used forever in the day. Yes. What's your favorite room? I've heard you use that. Me? I don't think I've used what's your favorite room? Well, someone we were playing with has used Where is your room? Or what is your room? Where is your room? Or Where are you? Pretty much is what I've done to find it. But that also has been under criticism. It'll tell where it currently is versus where it is. The room. Yeah. Like the room could be say baby room, but it's currently in the boy's room, so it's going to say boys room. And so that's not going to help me with evidence because I'm not going to get what I need.

    Yes. All right, so jumping into the IRL applications of the cursed items that you can find in Phasmophobia, I have an idea of moving backwards on the items a little bit. Okay. And because some of these are a little more easier to talk about either from personal experience, like the Ouija board. All right, so fun fact, the Ouija board itself, the idea of what it looks at like today with the Alphabet A through Z numbers, one, two, three, all the way to nine and zero, and then the yes and no, and occasionally both hello and goodbye. But would traditionally using goodbye was actually created or the original creation of the Ouija board was in

     

    Bond. I like that name. Elijah. The Ouija board was regarded as an innocent parlor game unrelated to occult until American spiritualist Pearl Curran popularized it, its use as a divining tool during World War One, so it was not necessarily given its aspects towards interacting with the supernatural until World War One. Now, in recent times, of course, the name Ouija, spelled O-U-I-J-A is now trademarked by Hasbro Toys. Is it really? Yes. Interesting. So people can't can they not put Ouija board on their things? Apparently. That's interesting. Why is it pronounced Ouija? Because we like French. No, actually, I was looking and the precursors to the Ouija board were originally done as automatic or the first mentions of automatic writing method used in the Ouija board is found in China around the 1001, 1000 thousand, 700 Ad, which falls in line with the Song dynasty. And the method was known as Fuji F-U-J-I. So that's where the J I at least comes from. Yeah. And then the use of the placette writing as an ocean is able, or

     

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    at least the first initial concept of it being Ouija came from the Song dynasty, where they named it Fuji or Fuji. And then that was its connection to the spirit world. So it was originally in 1000s. The concept of automatic writing with spiritual connotations or uses was all the way back in the 1100, and then it was considered a talking board. As far as the automatic writing method for spiritualist as a medium to talk to the dead in the American Civil War. Let's see, mediums did significant business and allegedly allowing survivors to contact lost relatives at the Ouija itself was created and named in Baltimore, Maryland, in

     

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    Bond. So the name itself was given by Elijah Bond as a parlor trick. And that's when the board was created. How it looks today as a parlor trick. As a parlor trick, yes. Interesting. But he had the idea to patent the placette method sold with the board on which the Alphabet was printed, much like the previous existence of talking boards. Ponfiled in the 28 May 1984 patent protected for crediting the invention of the official Ouija board. And it was issued in patent to him on February 1. Let's see. Trying to see where it actually starts to gain the occult following.

     

    So there was one guy named William Fold, F-U-L-D-F-U-L-D who was going against the patent, saying that he claimed he learned the name Ouija from using the board, that it was an ancient Egyptian word meaning good luck.

     

    When Philip told overproduction of the board, he popularized the more widely accepted

     

    etymology. I guess it's E-T-Y-O-L-O-G-Y.

     

    Entomology. Yeah. Entomology. Thank you. Study of insects. Yeah. And that the name came from the combination of the French and German words for yes. Okay. I was on the money on that one because the we. Yeah. What is German? Yes.

     

    Okay.

     

    We yah instead of. But of course, Americans bucket everything up as far as pronunciations.

     

    Yeah. But I mean, maybe it's like a play on the Fuji aspect as well. Yes. But it's like everything kind of combined together to make it what the name is now. Like, it went from it went from however you said it to then they were like, well, it originated from Fuji. It just sounds better. Probably somebody there was somebody somewhere somebody was playing with them. Like, what is that thing they started researching? This is what we want to call it. That sounds good. How should we spell it? Completely annoying. Let's do it. Yeah. So there is Alistair Crowley, the English occultist, ceremonial magician, poet, painter, novelist, mountaineer, Mountaineer. All the other things in Mountaineer, along with it, had a great admiration for the use of the Ouija board and it played as a passing role in his magical workings. Popular probably, considering he was an occultist and he was probably used to try to summon spirits. So I'm guessing by reading this and that's typically where the cultist version or usage of the Ouija board came into play.

     

    Probably. Interesting. And then, of course, and then in horror movies in the 1970s, using in The Exorcist and other movies, which board in Lies Beneath and 2000 Paranormal Activity in Seven movie and seven I am Zuzu and then the prequel Ouija Origin of Evil in 26.

     

    Yeah. So now going to my experience with a Ouija board. Now for the longest time, of course, I didn't necessarily believe in the occult or ghost or anything else until I experienced a fucking Ouija board. And then what some occultists or some spiritualists is what I'm going to call them say is your third eye opening where you see in the other realm came from messing with a Ouija board and not saying goodbye to that. Of course, typically you have at least two people interacting with the board mouse, which is simply just a block with either a hole in the center or some type of magnifying aspect to the center of this triangular piece, puzzle piece kind of thing. And what it does is that you use this and it said that the energy between the individuals using it, you can have up to I think it's six people interact or all interacting at once. They say the more people that interact with the device on the Ouija board, the more energy that is transferred into the board and allowing spirits to speak through it. So it works better the more people are using it. Yes, up to roughly about six, because the standard size of that piece is roughly, I think two and a half inches across. So from one corner, each side is about two and a half inches from the corners down each side of the three sides. So you can fit roughly two people on each side. More people the energy output. But like in the game, you ask it questions. You start out simple, trying to allow for the energy to transfer to the spirit realm for someone to then reach back, typically starting out with yes or no questions or simple answer or something with a simple answer of maybe number or small letters. And then you build up from there, asking more elaborate questions for more elaborate answers. And then because of the occultist use, the fact that I guess the evil spirits have been able to find this or the supernatural have been able to find this as a way to get back into the realm and possess people. If you don't say goodbye, it leaves that door open and then goodbye is very important. While you sleep, they're seeping out kind of thing and they could possess you while you sleep because you're vulnerable. But we didn't say goodbye. Dumbass teenagers in the early two thousands. I think it was like 2001 or 2002 and we were fucking around. Well, my dumbass jumped off the board, which is also considered by standard practice a very big no. No matter what's going on around you, you keep everybody stays. As long as you keep contact with the board, you are typically safe. So I jumped off and ran because I was a scared pussy. And didn't know the standard practice either. Does anyone really ever know when they're that young? No, not at all. So in the process of doing so, of course, everybody else followed suit. Well, it wasn't until my later years when I did it again, forgetting about how scared I was and all this crazy shit that was going on. I was more focused too because this was after the death of my parents. Oh yeah. And we got some answers that were very specific that no one else would have known. And I made sure that I had very light contact because I was still skeptical of it. Well, it was after someone kind of pushed for a, what's the word? Manifestation of something that something very specific to my mother happened. And then that's when I started to believe, or again, as the occult would call it, your third eye opening. Now before that, I thought that ghosts were real, but you couldn't necessarily see them. It was just your own imagination kind of conjuring ideas of it. But after Holy shit, have like, personally, I believe in afterlife. I believe in spirits roaming the Earth for the various reasons that have and with that since that second time, good evil, like just zombie ghost type things where they're just wandering aimlessly. I feel like I see things and it's odd and I just kind of play it off. Of course, you can't really talk about those things to real people, either. Or regular people. I say real people, but regular real people because they're going to fucking think you crazy and lock your ass up. And since switching to the also true faith and starting to dive into more of the aspects of like, animisms, and occultist style proceedings, it's starting to come back as far as that whole, quote unquote third eye visualization of the other worlds. So that's my experience with Ouija board. I've never had any experience with Ouija board because I'm definitely a skeptic, but I'm also

     

    healthy. Kind of like I'm a skeptic, but on the off chance or the one way or the other, I don't want to mess with it. That's just one of the things I will probably never actually do because I don't want to find out it's real the wrong way. You don't want to be the one that summons a demon from the other realm. They come and cause havoc on people. True. Yeah.

     

    Fair. I mean, I can absolutely understand that. Yeah. I haven't had too many experiences with any of this. I think the one time I'd ever even been around is like, no, I'm not going to do that. That doesn't seem like a good idea for me. So as far as the Ouija board, yes, it is a real thing. It is trademark that what you see in the game and can find anywhere nowadays is typically a toy in a sense. But if you choose to actively engage in a Ouija board, use caution coming from myself, do the wrong things. You can end up losing your real life sanity because I believe personally that they are a very real thing. So yes, if you want to indulge yourself and experience a Ouija board, please do just be mindful, be respectful. Don't do like I do in the game. The game is very different. Call the ghosts, cunts and twats and everything else because you do that to a real spirit whether you believe or not. You'll find out if you really believe in them if they talk back to you. All right. So moving on to the other one that I have some experience or understanding of is the summoning circles or the real life entity is actually known as a magic circle. And thanks to the early 2000s and 2010s of Supernatural, the TV show which we talked about last episode as well, I believe the summoning circle as it's being used in the game is to manifest a spirit or demon and hold it temporarily. Now that also has been considered very logical in real life use cases where people of the occult have tried to summon or been in ritual works trying to summon their God or their deity. Also in some use cases when Wiccans, which is considered white magic, you also have black magic witches that have tried to summon dead entities to cause harm on someone that they are vengeful against. And they'll typically call up certain Gremlin type entities, not necessarily spirits, but entities of sorts to include demons and vengeful spirits as well. Now with the real life application, they use siduals to barricade the spirit within the summoning circle or within the magic circle. Other use cases that Wiccans. What I've got here is common technique for raising energy within the circle is by means of cone of power. According to this, the cone of power is a method of raising energy and a ritual magic essentially or especially within the wicked faith of witchcraft. The cone of power is a visualization as a cone of energy that encompasses the circumference of the circle of Wiccans and tapers off to a point above the group. So in the case of the Wicking belief system, they stand within the circle, probably in pre designated locations that have been designed for best energy. Yes. For energy usage and output. So as far as keeping it within the circle is that again with the idea that they use in the game is more for calling for that vengeful spirit or that demon entity where you don't want to be within it because it can't escape the barriers that are there being siduals and other marks within the marked circle typically could be marked in salt or in blood. Now if it's blood of a human, blood of an animal, that all depends on the satanic faith. Rituals? Yeah, different rituals call for different things. Yes. But typically your innocent summoning’s are typically for salt or chalk innocent is what you're saying because you're trying to summon some type of spirit. Most likely you're not going to get what you wanted. It's most likely going to be either some type or variation of demon or a vengeful spirit because those typically the anger aspect or the rage aspect has more power than someone that's just idly sitting by, just hanging out. Yeah, basically, that makes sense. Those are the ones that are more eager to come out. So they're going to push through. Yes, exactly. Let's see if I can find anything else on it real quick.

     

    Yeah, pretty much everything ties back

     

    to the magic circle, whereas it being more of a ritualistic thing. Now here I'm going to show on screen some typical between satanic or other types of witchcraft what some of their circles would look like. Okay. Now also, depending on the type of energy that you're trying to embark or summon in the real life application would determine how it looks as well. A lot of modern witchcraft, they use very geometrical shapes and designs with siduals in between them as well. People like here, they've used the satanic pentagram, which is indicative of the shorter leg stems upside down with a longer singular stem. Then you've got most of the other pentagrams that are different face, different followings, and they have different meanings as well. But mostly the reward application is going to be more for summoning energy instead of spirits or entities. Let's see, there's quite a few that of course, I've seen. And a lot of times you'll see these siduals or summoning circles, typically for the occult or some type or variation of witchcraft, and they're not necessarily meant as a spiritual summoning. Now, of course, in movies like the craft or something, you'll see something similar to this where I don't know why it's not showing larger, but you'll see a witch sitting within the circle with sigils all around. Most of the sigils in this image on my right are very demonic and satanistic nature. So don't just Google search schedules and decide to put them in your summoning circle of energy or whatever because you could inadvertently summon a very bad person. So like you can see here the black craft of black witchcraft of the occult, symbols of satanic nature with the six six six and other sidualistic symbols of the satanic arts. So yeah, be mindful if you decide to use these because they can be very powerful. Most witchcrafts also use their ritual books and talk like do their particular sayings during their calling of the energies that they're requesting. Interesting. Looks like they all generally have some sort of starlike feature within them. Yeah. Because of course, I don't know exactly if you look at anything that is not your typical star like upright star, upright being the single point at the top. It is considered a pinnacle star, especially with a circular design around it. So even like right here, the Star of David and still is used by real satanic cults or the occult. It doesn't make it any less of use to them. So the consideration of the Star David or the typical Baja Met Pinnacle star as well.

    Interesting, but they are from everything I've ever seen. And of course, what you can see on the screen here, they're all very geometric in nature. Yeah, definitely. Any real life cases for yourself? Honestly, I've never really dabbled in any of this. So this is all really informative for me, just kind of getting information here. I know the Phasmophobia aspects of all these, but not the actual real life applications of these things. Next, I'm going to make sure I have a lot of information. But Tarot. So again, everybody knows about Tarot cards. You can buy decks at freaking Books A Million now. Yes. Which is you can probably get them at like Target. I found more at Books A Million and other bookstores with Tarot cards Wiccan witchcraft, white witchcraft than I did with Also True or The Rooms. And that is mind blowing to me. Let's see if I can find an English translation of the images after. So Tarot, as it's shown, typically is used for your horoscopes or life readings. Yeah, I've seen it typically today. Yeah. It's mostly used for that kind of thing. What is your future, past, present, future kind of things. Yeah. Or if you have specific questions, it'll give insight on that kind of thing and it is very vague to the receiver of the readings. Now, of course, if you don't do your own research into Tarot, then you're not going to know there could be a false Prophet of sense that go into the aspect of Tarot because it is a true archaic magic or Arcana magic that was originally developed with the Tarot. Let me see if I can find the origins. So roughly about the 18th century. Well, let me read what Tarot.com says. It's an ancient divination that began in 14th century in Europe. Traditional Tarot card decks consist of roughly 78 cards which are the major and minor Arcana and depicting symbolistic archetypes that allow us to tap into our intuition and gain clarity through readings. So the archetypes that they're talking about represent in the true practice of Tarot, very specific things. Let's see the history. It was playing cards first entered in Europe in the late 14th century, but its true origins are relatively unknown. The first recorded date of Tarot was 1367 in Berne, and they spread rapidly across Europe after that. Let's see. Little is known about the appearance number of these cards, only significant information being provided by text of John of Rinfield.

     

    Interesting, is there's different readings as well for each one that is popping out to me is the Celtic cross Tarot reading, which the ten card class. The ten card one. So that kind of matches maybe what they were trying to do within the game is the ten card Tarot spread for guidance with any issue. So, yeah, you can go to Tarot.com and do this for yourself. And I will make sure that I get the link for the card meanings from house that she used. So you can just on the bottom right. Is it? Yeah,

     

    I just clicked Tarot. So Taro.com, when I click Tarot and I scrolled all the way down, bottom right, all the links are there, the card meeting. So there you go. All can be found in Tarot.com. Got to do your own readings. Well, not as efficiently or probably precise, but there is a lot of looking inward to understand the meanings that it presented to you. Yeah, definitely. I guess we will go through the others pretty quickly. The next viable one that I see as far as real life usage is the voodoo doll. And the voodoo doll isn't necessarily something that I mean, maybe this is just perception. It's not necessarily used for like, ghost hunting or anything. It's generally a more standard thing. It's made towards a specific person that you want to torture. Yeah. Everything that I've ever looked at as far as voodoo is interaction with the real world versus interaction with the supernatural. Now, they do say that they can interact or use interactions with the supernatural world to affect the real world as far as voodoo in itself, because they are very specific in how they're used. Let's see. Brown University actually has a page on voodoo dolls. And the Kingdom of Congo is accredited with the origins in the 19th century with wooden voodoo figurines in the shapes of humans. They're generally made like a doll in the shape of a human. Yeah. And it was from the Nicassee tribe, or Minkinsi tribe, which means things which do things, interests the things which do things. Got it? Oh, here's where probably the occult came from, the containers that capture the spirit of the dead and make it available to use by living, though complex relationships between people, thing and spirit, kind of combining them. So what I was saying earlier, as far as using the occult or using the spiritual realm to affect real the human realm, according to Brown University, they give reference or credit to the Congo for the origination of voodoo.

     

    And then, of course, as you can imagine, it has spread westward due to the Afro-Caribbean religious aspect in the Caribbean areas of the Western Hemisphere and how it became popular. So Haiti and other areas like that. Anything on your side? That's pretty much my only interaction with it. I just like movies and kind of basic ideas of it. One thing that I do remember, maybe not necessarily voodoo doll, but like the movie Wicker Man comes to mind where they make kind of the dolls out of like, sticks and grass kind of looking stuff that comes to mind. That's a really good movie. And then next we got the mirror or mirrors. There is so much lure as far as cursed mirrors or the usage of mirrors to help or hinder a ghost or some type of supernatural entity. And so much superstition follows through mirrors because of that as well. Like, what is it, nine years? Bad luck for breaking one. Oh, yeah, definitely nine years. Also going into the occult, like, vampires can't see their reflection or you can't see the reflection of a vampire because they have no soul of their own or not saying particular names into the mirror more than a couple of times. Yeah. Playing the Bloody Mary game. Bloody Mary. There's some other ones that fall in line with that same aspect. Candy man. Candy man. I can't think of anybody else, but they all fall. They all fall in line with the same kind of context. Also mirrors where if I remember one of the stories when they were first being developed, a lot of the religious faith didn't like mirrors. One for vanity, but two, they spread tales that mirrors were the doorways to the other realm. Yeah. That's pretty much the mirror in its essence. And now this is where I'm confused as far as real life application of the music box. Yeah. I don't think there's really any application as far as I know. I think it's just something that they did in the game. Unless you found anything else. I'm looking right now to see if there's anything else. I really don't think so. I think it's more of the creepy aspect of it. Yeah. Like that slow tone of a typical music box. I do know that music or instruments of some sort can be manipulated and have a momentum aspect to them, like pianos, music boxes. They are just, hey, I'm here kind of things. It doesn't necessarily tie them directly to a ghost or an entity, but they are used in ideas of, excuse me, ghost interacting with them. That's how they're used with the idea of ghost interacting with them because they are a momentum device that makes some type of noise. Yeah. So it's not necessarily an object used, but just something that they interact with. Now, as far as the summoning aspect, I have no idea. I've never. I've never heard of anything with a music bot. I've heard of anything that helps summon a ghost. The only way I think any object like that could be accredited to summoning a spirit or supernatural entity is if it was that as they were alive, holding either some part of their DNA blood or some very special bond with the host of the ghost when they were in a living state. So I think that covers everything. I think that covers pretty much all the things, at least as far as the cursed object itself. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm going to shut my mouth because I'm already having enough trouble keeping a constant tone. But I want to do, say, thank you for coming by hanging out and I will leave it to the wonderful Owls to close us out. As Joker said, thank you for listening watching. However you're getting to us, I just want to make sure that you know that we are live on camera every Wednesday, 09:00 p.m.. Eastern standard time at Twitch.tv/themadhousepodcast. We are also available through audible options podcast. 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