Welcome to the only podcast where we are crazier than the life you deal with daily. This is the Madhouse. I'm Joker. And today on the Madhouse Presents Group Therapy, I am joined by none other than Unrealstyle on Twitch, our lovely member of the community, Jordan.

[Unrealstyle]: Hello, everyone.

[Joker]: And today Group Therapy is giving everybody episode twelve of the X Men universe started with Episode 10. So, we're on the second, no third. Episode 10 was the first movie, X Men. Episode eleven was X-2. And now we are on X Men: The Last Stand. It is the third film in the original franchise. What do you think about that, Jordan?

[Unrealstyle]: I think they could have done so much more effort, but the movie was great in itself. They didn't get by it.

[Joker]: So, like I was telling you before we started this, I've got the whole list here. So, if you want to take a picture of this, this is the actual lease date, like the cinematic release date of the films.

[Unrealstyle]: Okay.

[Joker]: This film that we're going to be kind of talking about today was released in 2006, literally. Now, two years after I graduated high school.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Don't ask me. I don't do math. 2006.

[Joker]: What year did you graduate high school, or did you leave high school?

[Unrealstyle]: I believe I was supposed to be the class of 2012.

[Joker]: Oh, my God, you baby.

[Unrealstyle]: I got nothing. But yeah. So, I was supposed to be class of 2012.

[Joker]: You know what I was doing in 2012? Coming back from Afghanistan. Yeah.

[Unrealstyle]: I got nothing.

[Joker]: Well, we're going to get going again. We're talking about The Last Stand. So, The Last Stand again was released in 2006. Now, we talked about just to kind of summarize what the first two movies did, obviously, X Men One or the original X Men in 2000, which was 22 years ago.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: I feel the original X Men came out 22 years ago. But originally the original series of X Men was based around Rogue. It wasn't even around Wolverine.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: And because of the fame after the first film, that's when Hugh Jackman kind of stole it from Anna Paquin and became the star, the centerpiece of the universe. But they weren't even originally planning to make any more X Men after that

[Unrealstyle]: It became a fan favorite, because of that. That's where it went. It blew up that way.

[Joker]: Yeah. So, in the second film, X-2, they brought out some fan favorites. As far as the mutants talking about Nightcrawler, dove deeper into Wolverine, Rogue, Cyclops, Iceman, Pyro, Mystique and Magneto. And then there was some nice little not face time cameos. But in one scene that I talked about; you can check back to get the full details on that Episode 11. Also on YouTube, I have every single episode posted. So, until we get affiliate, of course, within a week or two, the VODs fall off of Twitch. So go check out the YouTube channel. You just got to simply search Madhouse Presents Group Therapy and you can find us there as well. But they talked about the Guthrie siblings, Sam and Paige or Cannonball and Husk. Silver Samurai, one of the Weapon X's, the male Weapon X, outside of Logan.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah

[Joker]: Kane, Remy LeBeau, who was Gambit. Of course, Magneto, Artie was also in there. They mentioned Multi-man, Karma, the Maximoff twins. Maximoff twins, Scarlet Witch and Silver Surfer.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Quicksilver.

[Joker]: Thank you, Silver Surfer. It's still the universe, but wrong Silver. Proteus, which was McTaggart’s brother.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: And then Moonstar. Danielle Moonstar, who was originally Psyche and then transitioned later on in the comic book series to Mirage. So, she was mentioned in there. And then, of course, we got a good glimpse in the second film at the young Colossus, too.

[Unrealstyle]: Right

[Joker]: Now, with that, we do get a few more glimpses into newer or not newer but cinematic renditions of some more mutants from the X Men universe. I think his name was Archangel.

[Unrealstyle]: Angel

[Joker]: Just Angel?

[Unrealstyle]: Yep

[Joker]: Boring. He shows up and has a few parts in it. Colossus gets more screen time in this film. We finally get to see the first mutant version of Hank McCoy as the Beast. And this is where he takes off and gets popularity because in the last film or in X-2, he didn't really get that much screen time. It was just a snippet on a TV in a human form. Let's see. Multi-man gets in the attempted rescue of Mystique on the mobile prison transport. Multi-man actually gets screen time and then Juggernauts makes his first appearance in the live action and then also Leach, which is the one that kind of sets the whole plot line of this movie. So, I think we can go in. So as far as the different mutants, before we get into the actual summary of the plot line, what do you think about the different mutants that showed up?

[Unrealstyle]: I think it was good. They definitely branched out from the first two movies because in the first two movies we don't really see, what’s the word for it.

[Joker]: What are you trying to say?

[Unrealstyle]: The different kinds of unit power.

[Joker]: The variety.

[Unrealstyle]: Variety. Thank you.

[Joker]: Speaking of variety, too, before you continue, is we were in the first episode, so Episode 10, we're talking about the first movie. We did go over the three classifications or the four classifications. I think it was Omega, instead of the tier levels that they talk about in this movie with the class level, but we give them the names, the Omega, Beta, Alpha. Now, they do talk about, in this movie, the class levels instead of Omega level like we talked about in the first or Episode 10. They talk about them. They give them a rank structure as far as numbered tiers. So, one being the lowest, two, three, four and five. Five being Jean Grey and the Dark Phoenix, or Phoenix herself.

[Unrealstyle]: Right. All right.

[Joker]: Anyway, continue.

[Unrealstyle]: No, you're fine. That would just explain the Omega tattoos and cut out in that one pair.

[Joker]: Oh yes. When they were doing in the Church or the Cathedral.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, the meeting.

[Joker]: Yeah, it was like the meeting.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Because some of them have the Omega like tattoos and then the.

[Joker]: Oh, Spike. His name is Spike.

[Unrealstyle]: Okay. Spike. He had it buzzed through the back of his head, like as a haircut style.

[Joker]: Oh, I did not notice that.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, you can only see, like when it goes over, you can't really see the other ones. But two of the mutant girls that were with him, they had the Omega tattoos on them.

[Joker]: Oh. So, like Calypso. No, it doesn't show in there.

[Unrealstyle]: The one that did her hands like that and sent out the shockwave that destroyed all the guns.

[Joker]: Yeah. We're going to have to look that one up. Okay. All right. So, going through the summary of the plot line between my notes and what we've got up here, not Jubilee. Jubilee was one of the X Men. This was one of the evil side mutants that aligned themselves with Magneto. But in the beginning, it starts out with a 20-year younger Professor X, when he was just Charles Xavier. He wasn't really a professor at the time. And Eric Lensherr, who of course is Magneto, when they were still friends and Xavier could still walk. Now, of course, the characters are Patrick Stewart and

[Unrealstyle]: McCullen.

[Joker]: Ian McCullen, just with CGI effects on their face, making them younger or appear younger. And they were going to see

[Unrealstyle]: Jean.

[Joker]: Gray for the first time. Arclight. Yeah. There we go. Thank you, chats. But ArcLight was the one you were talking about on the evil side.

[Unrealstyle]: Yes.

[Joker]: But they meet the young Jean Grey, in her home, in the suburbs, which is the first rendition of a young Jean Grey. And during that interaction, she has all of her powers. She is already as a twelve-year-old, I think. Twelve.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: We'll just say a preteen with class five or Omega level destruction capabilities in her. Like, the Phoenix is already a part of her, in this timeline. Whereas if you watched any of the newer X Men stuff, it's actually not a part of her until the Dark Phoenix.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: So, in the original series of X Men movies, she's already the Phoenix. She's got the Phoenix level powers. Then we transition over to the young, very young, Angel, what looked like about seven or eight in his Daddy's bathroom. Now, of course, his dad is one of the main antagonists in this movie on the human side. And he's trying to beat down the door because the kids shuffling around.

[Unrealstyle]: Oh, my God, I got it.

[Joker]: Because he just cut off his wings. It was Angel. Freaking hawk wings grown out of his back but he's trying to cut them off because his dad's anti-mutant. Well, the dad bust down the door and that's when he sees that his son is the mutant. And what they end up doing, they'll show it later on where Angel is supposed to be the first to be injected with the cure. So those two scenes, what do you think about them?

[Unrealstyle]: The pain from Angel, like as a young kid knowing what his father is doing to mutants and to literally basically cut something out that is living part of you. It's like I'm taking your arm. Yeah. It's literally tearing apart at yourself. So that scene, it just shows, like, so much emotion because I got a little bit tearing not going to lie when I watched it because he's trying to hide who he is from his dad.

[Joker]: Well, thinking, like, as far as actual human beings, like when they try to hide young gay kids trying to hide their gayness from their parents, like young boys that are gay and like cross dressed that end up being great Drag Queens later on in life.

[Unrealstyle]: Oh, yeah.

[Joker]: But them hiding those unapproved items kind of thing.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Or like young girls who feel more masculine binding and they try to hide their binders that they got from a friend from their parents.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: That's what I thought of it as even back then because I grew up with a brother that's gay and he was not necessarily hiding it, but he wasn't out about it either.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: That's what I was thinking.

[Unrealstyle]: Oh, no, wholeheartedly. I think I took a note that how people thought there was a cure for gay.

[Joker]: For gay. Because there's a cure for the gay.

The gay is the mental illness.

[Unrealstyle]: Exactly.

[Joker]: The mental illness is thinking that you can control people.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, pretty much.

[Joker]: Oh, speaking of control people, I just found out recently that there’s, one of the best novels that I had ever read called 1984, is actually banned in the US.

[Unrealstyle]: I read that in high school.

[Joker]: You know what other countries it's banned in? China and Russia.

[Unrealstyle]: Shocker. Sorry.

[Joker]: Is China and Russia saying that it's anticommunist, the US government saying that it's anti establishment, but I can't remember what it said. And that's where the problem was that it's not either of the two acclaimed reasons, but it's anti authority.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah

[Joker]: Anyway, that's what I was thinking about.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Let's see. All right, then it goes to modern time in the movie to the Danger Room. Danger Room is the holographic projection room that they have at the mansion or training young mutants to becoming X Men. And this is the first time we actually get to see it. If you remember back to the other episode, I actually mentioned in The Fun Facts that there was slots for the Danger Room to be filmed in the last movie as well, but they didn't do it right. So, what we got in this one is they're going against

[Unrealstyle]: Sentinels.

[Joker]: Yeah. Sentinels. Thank you. And it was Rogue, Iceman and Colossus along with Wolverine and Storm, which was supposed to be Scott Winters, who is Cyclops in Storm?

[Unrealstyle]: Summers!

[Joker]: Yeah. Who Scott Winters? I'm trying to think.

[Unrealstyle]: I have no idea.

[Joker]: I'm exhausted. Please forgive me. Anyway, Scott Summers, Cyclops and Storm are supposed to be the ones training new mutants. Well, of course, as you can remember, in X-2, Jean Grey got assumed by the flood of water that she held back so they could get out of Alkaline Lake at the end of the last movie. So, he's depressed and down about that and angry and all this other shit. He's in his fields right now. So, Wolverine stepped in via the request of Professor X, and they're getting beat up pretty bad. Wolverine has his last cigar knocked out of his mouth and destroyed. And then he looks at Colossus and it's like, toss me. So, Colossus does a nice little heave of Logan. And of course, Logan cuts the Sentinel's head off and shows up behind. There's a lot of shit about that that I like that scene.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Because you got to see Rogue starting to finally be introduced as an X Men, because, of course, in this animated series and a lot of the comic books, she was a mainstay and a primary known character in the universe. She just looked hot in yellow and green. And that best.

[Unrealstyle]: She was one of my favorites in the animated series. I'm not going to lie.

[Joker]: And then, of course, we got to see Colossus actually in action.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: And then Ice Man, of course, because I think Pyro, at the end of the last film, already joined over to Magneto.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. It was towards the end of second.

[Joker]: All right. Now with Colossus, this is where it's a little contrary to what I remember from the animated series and the comic books is that he did not have the ability to go back in his mutation, like steel up and be human.

[Unrealstyle]: I believe so. From the animated series. I believe that he was always metal.

[Joker]: Yeah. Always.

[Unrealstyle]: He was never human.

[Joker]: Kind of like what's depicted in The Deadpool.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: Now, the other downfall is that Colossus is Russian or Eastern European, but he has no accent in these movies. Last movie, and he didn't in this movie. Right. He was speaking proper good English.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. His accent is supposed to be thick.

[Joker]: Yeah. It's like in The Deadpool series because he's like either Russian or Iranian. Something along those lines.

[Unrealstyle]: I think he's Russian. His name is, but I think it's like a pressure thing.

[Joker]: Yeah. All right. But anyway, so in this one is swapping back and forth, whereas in most other fictions, like in the Deadpool, he does not swap back. And then, of course, Storms mad at Logan because Logan kind of stepped up and ended the simulation.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Instead of letting them fight it out.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker: Because in the animated series and a lot of the standard X Men comics, the Sentinels are one of the main posing units outside of the Brotherhood of Mutants against the accident. All right. And then we go to Hank showing up. He becomes the ambassador or no, he's a secretary of something.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. He's like the

[Joker]: Secretary of Mutants.

[Unrealstyle]: I believe so. Yeah.

[Joker]: And this is the first appearance, like I said earlier, in his mutant form in the series, and he's in a tie, like, dressed up, but blue fur everywhere. And they're talking about Raven because Raven is finally captured. She was trying to as Senator Kelly. I believe it was still or is it a different.

[Unrealstyle]: I forgot his name, but yeah. No, she was trying to break into the FA as

[Joker]: not Senator Kelly, who she portrayed the last two.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: Yeah. But anyway, she got caught. And that's when they cut to her scene being interrogated. And during that interrogation, they're trying to ask her where Magneto is at. And she goes through, like, two or three different mutations or transformations in that process, finally beating the interrogator on his ass, which is hilarious.

[Unrealstyle]: That was great,

[Joker]: Because he was a dick about it, too.

[Unrealstyle]: He thought he could break mystique. And it's like, no, dude, she breaks you.

[Joker]: Yeah. And this was one of the first times they used her real name. Raven.

[Unrealstyle]: Raven.

[Joker]: Yeah. They actually used her real name in this one. I don't recall them using the other two. They always call her Mystique, except for Magneto culture. But outside of that, no other mention of Raven or Mystique.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: But anyway. And then she promptly said, that is not my name or that was my slave name.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, that's her to her slave name. Yeah. She doesn't answer to her slave name.

[Joker]: Yeah, she doesn’t answer to her slave name. And then, of course, Misty comes out. And what did she call him when she actually grabbed a hold of him?

[Unrealstyle]: Homo Sapiens.

[Joker]: Oh, yeah, Homo Sapiens. That's right. I couldn't remember that one. Let's see, then it cuts to another scene where Professor X is talking to Storm walking down the main hall, and he offered his position as the headmaster of School Gifted Children or, excuse me, youngsters, to Storm. And this isn't the first time I remember seeing this because I know in the comic book series there was one off spray where that happened because Scott died, if I remember correctly, or something happened to him along the lines of his mental state. Kind of like what they're portraying.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Because most everywhere else, it's always Scott Summers, who as Cyclops is the main leader of the X Men, is always offered the lead over the school. Right. But this follows that one off spray where Storm takes over, has the option to take over.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: So those three scenes, like Hank, Ravens scene and that scene, what were your thoughts on those?

[Unrealstyle]: I thought it was like how they made Scott go through the stages of grief, but instead of going towards the acceptance he put in because he was one of the original students along with Jean. So, it would have went to Jean, but then she died, and then Scott. But then was his mental decline after Jean's death, the next person is Storm, which is a good choice because she's always thinking about the students. She's always thinking about the school. She's always there to protect them. And what stands for? She lost one of her best friends, but she picked herself up. She went through the process, and she was gone to know that her purpose is still there.

[Joker]: Yeah. All right. Raven scene, the interrogation.

[Unrealstyle]: I loved it, I loved it. Like, you can wholeheartedly tell that even up to the point before she gets shot with her loyalty to Magneto is solid. Like nothing would break her of it. And they really, totally thought that they could put her in a room, and she cracked. They wholeheartedly thought that she would betray everything that she believed in, who she believed in.

[Joker]: For those that have never really seen the original series only saw the newer versions of Mystique that Jennifer Lawrence plays as the younger version, Rebecca Romaine Stamos was a femme fatale. Like, she is death reincarnate here as Mystique, and it fit well for her.

[Unrealstyle]: It really did.

[Joker]: But she was sinister in her portrayal of the Mystique, Raven character, and that's what made it so believable that she was that person.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: I like that. Okay.

[Unrealstyle]: That's one of my favorite scenes.

[Joker]: Yeah. And I don't think even if they tried to revisit that side of Mystique, like that true evil side, I don't think they would have gotten that out of Jennifer.

[Unrealstyle]: From watching the originals to the new ones, I think she could have had the potential to if it was explored more because she kind of had it in Days of Future Past. She kind of had that going. But then when everything changed, she changed. So, we never really got to explore. I think there was potential for it. It would have went either way, but we never really guessed it.

[Joker]: It's one of those, like, butterfly effect situations, split second decision, which in one of the movies coming up real soon of the new cast, I should say, that continued out the series for as long did continue. But Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique will talk about that actual turning point during that. Okay, so next is the scene where they start out the transportation of Mystique in the

[Unrealstyle]: Mobile prison.

[Joker]: Yeah, it is pretty much a mobile prison that doesn't dampen their abilities, but they're in cell pods that are restrictive to their abilities.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: In there of course, Mystique is at the head of the trailer,

[Unrealstyle]: Yep.

[Joker]: And she transforms into a girl. The part that I love the best is the guard “bitch, I will shoot you.”

[Unrealstyle]: [Laughing]

[Joker]: That was hilarious. That was perfect.

[Unrealstyle]: It really was.

[Joker]: And then before the best part of that particular scene, which isn't right now, it comes later. They go over to Beast, meeting Leech, which is just a little boy in this case.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: So, Leech is a mutant who can drain other mutants of their power, and he doesn't kill them like Rogue would do. He just takes their mutant gene, and it suppresses it. And what's funny is they depicted in this because normally it's kind of like Rogue where it was on a touch that I remember seeing that. But here it's just within a certain bubble of him, everything is spread. Yeah. And I think in one of the scenes towards the end of the movie, it expanded. The bubble was about five or so feet. Colossus.

[Unrealstyle]: Well, they got pretty close to it.

[Joker]: True. Okay, fair enough.

[Unrealstyle]: Because they had to wait until, like, the last minute.

[Joker]: That's right. Yeah.

[Unrealstyle]: Because once Juggernaut has enough momentum,

[Joker]: I mean, yeah, Juggernaut, not Colossus. Juggernaut.

[Unrealstyle]: No. But once Juggernaut has enough momentum, he can't be stopped. So, Kitty and them waited until last second. Some out of the way.

[Joker]: We'll get to that. So, it's about like three or 4ft as an aura surrounding him that suppresses any mutant within that range is where we get that. So, Beast reaches out, Hank reaches out, and his hand turns into a human hand, and he's like, oh, interesting. And let's see, then we go to Alkali Lake. The Scott's there, of course, he sees Jean. Now, what I thought was interesting is I did not really know that Phoenix had the ability by Rogue to suck in their powers. I knew she had the ability to absorb them, but not just by touch.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Which Jean kisses Scott. And Scott, you could see the same rippling effect where the powers are leaving his body.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: And it killed Scott. Did it?

[Unrealstyle]: We're not entirely sure,

[Joker]: because they haven't really said one way or the other.

[Unrealstyle]: I think what happened is the same thing that happens when she uses her power. I think that when she used it, he turned into dust, and the only thing left was his glasses

[Joker]: because he already had them off.

[Unrealstyle]: Well, I think she had. She took off his glasses.

[Joker]: No, he took them off. But he had his eyes. Oh, no, she did have them.

[Unrealstyle]: Every time he takes off his glasses, he cannot control the beams coming out his eyes.

[Joker]: as long as his lids.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. So, when she took them off,

[Joker]: He squinted his eyes, and then she suppressed his power to see his eyes.

[Unrealstyle]: Right. What I think happened was the same thing that happens to everybody when she uses the Dark Phoenix powers.

[Joker]: Yeah. Because it was after they kissed that you saw kind of like what happened with Rogue when she was sucking their powers, that it was just going but rippling through their body. Okay, interesting. And then, of course, as I said earlier, they were talking about how Jean had all of these powers from birth because they go to Alkaline or Rain and Storm go to Alkali Lake, find her unconscious. Take her back to the

[Unrealstyle]: Mansion.

[Joker]: Mansion. Thank you. And that's when you find out that Professor X has been suppressing or blocking those powers from childhood. Because she's had it the entire time. No, that's what I was saying.

[Unrealstyle]: No, it was her unconscious, like her subconscious.

[Joker]: but it's always been there.

[Unrealstyle]: No, because of those Phoenix, it created a second personality.

[Joker]: Yeah, the personality of the Phoenix. But the powers of the Phoenix, she's had. She's had the power, but not the personalities.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Back to the transport. So, the transport, they come back where the Mystique rescue.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: So that's where we see Multi-man for the first time. Other than just a verbal reference or visual reference of him on the list. We also see Juggernaut again for the first time in a cell, and then the Mystique is released.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Now, what makes this seem so changing to everything was that after her release, she protects Magneto from getting shot with the cure or an experimental cure, in turn removing her abilities and a naked human female laying on the floor. Yeah. And Magneto just shoves her right then and there, like, oh, that's unfortunate. Bye, bitch.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. When I first saw, I was very surprised because after the first two leads, they're close. She is without a doubt, 100% loyal to him. And as soon as this happens, he's like, all right, yeah,

[Joker]: You're not a mutant anymore. You can't benefit me.

[Unrealstyle]: But I kind of find what I like about, though, is when they're walking away, he says, and she was so beautiful, too. So beautiful. Such a shame. She was so beautiful.

[Joker]: Something like that as her blue form. Yeah, that was cool. But shunning her just because she saved him, she saved his abilities because that was definitely going to hit him.

[Unrealstyle]: Well, at that moment, she thought it was a bullet. Not the cure. They didn't know that they had weaponized it until afterwards. And he took the gun. That's when they realized that it's weaponized. And it's not a cure. It's a lethal weapon against Mutes.

[Joker]: Yeah. So effectively, Raven is just Raven now. She is no longer mistake and never will be seen. Like, there's no going back.

[Unrealstyle]: That seems. Yeah, there's no way.

[Joker]: So, in the overall spectrum of the timeline, Mystique is gone. She's no longer, and she has to live out the rest of her days as a human. That is a dramatic change. Especially losing Scott Summers, to Phoenix. We've now lost Mystique forever in this universe, in this particular lineage of the time. Yeah. How does that feel?

[Unrealstyle]: It's a lot of big names,

[Joker]: like long lasting names.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. These are like the names that are always there. Like Mystique is always there. She's always doing something.

[Joker]: In her white crouched down in the comics and cartoons.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. She's always doing something. You never know what she's doing because she's always changing her image. So, you never know what she's up to until it's your right in the face.

[Joker]: Yeah. She transferred back. Right.

[Unrealstyle]: And Scott is always a leader. He's like the number one X Man, like, always there. So, taking out two major players, like, two major things in that franchise that's going to take a heavy hit, especially Jean Grey.

[Joker]: They were engaged in this time. Yeah, they were.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: They weren't just dating. They were engaged by the second film.

[Unrealstyle]: I believe so, yeah.

[Joker]: Now, of course, in the cartoons and most of the lineages of the comic book series, they ended up getting married.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: But yeah, two big names gone by the third

[Unrealstyle]: Can't really find big names like that. I mean, you probably could, but it wouldn't be the same.

[Joker]: Yeah. Fair. Now, this, of course, is the premise in which we're talking about up to this point of knowledge. Now, of course, most of us who watched all the cinematic universe of the X Men know that Scott Summers is not dead because he shows up in the next version, I believe. No, I'm thinking of something else. Never mind. He is gone. I lied. He is gone. The Days of Future Past when they split to

[Unrealstyle]: Apocalypse.

[Joker]: Is it the Apocalypse?

[Unrealstyle]: Apocalypse. That's when he's introduced Apocalypse

[Joker]: I'm not talking about the young Scott. I'm talking about this guy.

[Unrealstyle]: Oh, yeah. No, after the third one, he gone.

[Joker]: He's gone.

[Unrealstyle]: He’s gone.

[Joker]: It's like when it sends Logan back in time.

[Unrealstyle]: No, that's Kitty Pride.

[Joker]: That's Kitty Pride. Okay. Yeah. When Kitty sends him back and that side of it, he's not there right back. I'm trying to remember. I'm jumping ahead. But anyway, so cinematic wise, he's gone right now in this timeline.

Yeah. As of last name.

Holy shit. And then, of course, they get into the altercations because Phoenix joins Magneto right towards the end of the battles final. Because I missed that. Logan star. Oh, no. She went on her own. Magneto learns about Jean's resurrection, so he's completely oblivious to her resurrection by this point. But through Callisto, who was a collaboration power collection, which we'll get into later. But her ability to sense the presence or power level of Callisto that is, senses Jean because she's a level five dude.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: And that's when Magneto learns about it. He's trying to get her on his side, but through Jean and Phoenix. But Phoenix joins. Phoenix destroys the house because they're at her old house. Of course, the X Men are there, and Magneto and his team are there. She destroys the house in almost half the damn neighborhood with her powers and Xavier. Before they can stop her, Jean leaves with Magneto. Okay, so, yeah, she did join up with Magneto

[Unrealstyle]: After everything happened at the house. Yeah.

[Joker]: Okay, so after interrogating a de-powered Mystique, the FBI discovered Magneto's bases in the woods. So, she realized that she was betrayed. So, she gave up Magneto at that point.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: But the life forms at the camp are all decoy copies of Multi-man. So, this is where you get to see his powers in action, where he's basically a distraction or diversion. Magneto and the Brotherhood have gone to storm Alcatraz Island, where Leech is being held, and the cure is being manufactured by using his magnetic manipulation powers to reroute the Golden Gate Bridge. So, in this, he takes literally the center section of the Golden Gate Bridge and uses it as a real bridge, a floating bridge that they all stand on to get there. The remaining X Men confront the Brotherhood, despite being significantly outnumbered and arrived just as military troops thus far have been neutralizing the attacking mutants are overwhelmed by the Brotherhood. Let's see. So, Jimmy, who is Leech, Kitty Pride or Elliot Page now. But before was for Transition when they were starring. What was their name?

[Unrealstyle]: Ellen.

[Joker]: Ellen. There you go. Ellen Page. My brain is fried. I'm exhausted.

[Unrealstyle]: I even took a nap

[Joker]: I even took a nap during the movie. Yes, but then Ellen Page now Elliot, because of full Transition has been done. But Elliot character, Kitty Pride, saves Jimmy from Juggernaut. That's what we were talking about earlier because Jimmy is Leech, who sucks away or.

[Unrealstyle]: all the mutant powers.

[Joker]: Yeah, all the mutant powers around them because she found out when she tried to run through a wall with him, just bounced off of it.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: And then because Juggernaut was chasing Kitty all throughout the facility, breaking down walls until that point. Then he knocks himself out and they go back out one of the other holes that he's already created. Let's see. So, Logan has Colossus through him at Magneto and distract him long enough for Hank or Beast to inject Magneto with the cure. So, at this point, the major fight on Alcatraz. Magneto is now injected with the cure. He is now useless

[Unrealstyle]: human.

[Joker]: human. Let's see. The army reinforcements arrive and shoot at Jean. So, this is a big factor because they were trying to talk her Phoenix down, and she's like full rage mode. Like skins, pale white eyes are black, red, radiant flow around her. She is full Phoenix boat over the top. The US military shows up, point weapons and fire.

[Unrealstyle]: She was almost calmed down.

[Joker]: Yeah, she was almost calmed down.

[Unrealstyle]: She was almost there. And then all of a sudden, it's like, hey, look, army guys fire at will and say, well, you just screwed up. All right, bye.

[Joker]: Yeah. So, she goes full rage again, throwing out her Phoenix Essence of destruction is what I call it, her nuclear bomb. That is the Phoenix. And anything within its radius is immediately obliterated. Well, of course, Logan is walking towards her, and you can see it's affecting him, like destroying him. But of course, he regenerates. So, it's like, POW, he fixes himself. Pow, he fixes himself until he gets right up to her. And Jean kind of pulls out of the Phoenix a little bit to basically utter “stop me”.

[Unrealstyle]: When he's gets up to her, she says, you would die for them. And he goes, no,

[Joker]: for you.

[Unrealstyle]: For you.

[Joker]: That's what brings out the Jean in the Phoenix. And then that's when she mutters, stop or something. Yeah. Because he was trying to talk her down. She said she couldn't control it.

[Unrealstyle]: Something like that. Something along those lines of I can't control it or something.

[Joker]: Basically, telling Logan to stop. Oh, my God. Let's try that again. So, Jean tells Logan to stop her or stop the Phoenix. That's when brings out the claws and sinks them deep into her torso, effectively killing Jean Grey. And the Phoenix, she has no regenerative powers.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: And Jean dies. So does the Phoenix, again.

[Unrealstyle]: Another big name. Done. No more

[Joker]: And of course, during that process, Xavier was hurt during that fight.

[Unrealstyle]: Xavier?

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Unrealstyle]: He went at the house.

[Joker]: Got that.

[Unrealstyle]: That's the one you actually see Magneto generally care by Charles because he's yelling at Jean not to do it.

[Joker]: Oh, that's right. She's got him under control.

[Unrealstyle]: Xavier is literally, like, floating in the air, being held up by Jean.

[Joker]: Her psychic power.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. And literally like, they're almost having, like, a mind battle. And the last, Eric is over in the kitchen, can't move, and he's yelling, don't. And as the battle goes on, you see parts of his body interior vanishing,

[Joker]: Ahh.

[Unrealstyle]: Until finally he tells her, don't let it control you. Logan has literally clawed his way on the roof. He's stuck on the roof inside the house.

[Joker]: That's right.

[Unrealstyle]: He opens the door; he's witnessing it all. And then Charles looks at him, smiles, and then he's gone.

[Joker]: That's right.

[Unrealstyle]: And then Magneto yells out Charles, like he generally cares for his former friend because they both believed in a safer world. Mutants, just different ideals of how to go about it.

[Joker]: Yeah, exactly.

[Unrealstyle]: So that's when Xavier dies, which is another big name that they took out.

[Joker]: Right? We'll get to that. Yes. Anyway, Jean is gone now. And then what was the in credits or not the end credits. But the final scene,

[Unrealstyle]: The school is open. Kids are coming back, including Jimmy, aka Leach. He's going to school. He's seen running straight to Storm and giving her a giant hug. Rogue comes back.

[Joker]: Yeah, Rogue comes back, and she has taken the cure. So, she's in the school again, but as a human, and she's able to finally make skin to skin contact with Bobby. And then it cuts to a presidential speech.

[Unrealstyle]: Yes.

[Joker]: And the ambassador to the United Nations for mutants and humans alike in the United States, Rogue reveals to Bobby the cure, and he is showing disappointment. But they hold hands.

[Unrealstyle]: Logan is overlooking is standing in front of the mansion.

[Joker]: Yes. As the final scene from the school, he's in the front patio, basically, and it zooms out to show the whole building.

[Unrealstyle]: Yep.

[Joker]: Then it cuts to a park. And in the park, it's like typical New York Park where old guys are playing chess. And then you see Erik sitting there by himself.

[Unrealstyle]: Yep.

[Joker]: With a set of metal chest pieces. It's like you see it in his face. He feels something and he kind of reaches out. And if you don't pay attention, you'll miss it. But it's just a little twitch from the Rook.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. It's like the line that he says that when Logan goes searching for Jean in the forest at Magneto’s Camp, “I can smell your Adamantium from a mile away”. So, he can sense metal. So, at this point after the cure, he can. And then all of a sudden, he's sitting at the park and it's like, wait, I know this feeling. What is this feeling? So, he's like testing it out. Just a sliver on a second. If you blink, you will miss it.

[Joker]: You will see it right here. And then all of a sudden just that literally, that was it. And then it cuts. Goes to credits. Now, one thing, the entire fucking time that this movie has been out, I have never once seen any credit

[Unrealstyle]: and neither have I.

[Joker]: So, finding this movie came out in 2006. It is 2020. I have never seen a post credit scene, but there is the post credit scene is Moria MacTaggert checking in on a comatose patient. That patient is Xavier.

[Unrealstyle]: No.

[Joker]: It's Xavier's voice.

[Unrealstyle]: It's his voice, but it's not Xavier. Something that we did skip.

[Joker]: Yes. Okay, so let me rephrase that.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: When I say it's Xavier, meaning it's his essence, his spirit,

[Unrealstyle]: His mind essential.

[Joker]: Yes. So go back to the scene in the classroom where Xavier is in front of students, one of which being Kitty Pride and some of the other youngsters.

[Unrealstyle]: So, they were talking about, I want to say, basically the ethics of how far is too far with using your abilities. So, he shows a clip-on video of more of a McTaggart with a comatose patient. He's not brain dead, but he's just basically comatose. Yeah.

[Joker]: So, there's no expression of life, but not on. He's got a respirator on just for essential breathing. However, there's not a lot keeping him alive. Like the body itself is alive, but it's brain death.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. And he's got like brain or something like that. So basically, what it brings up to in this scene is that how far is too far? Is it too far to transfer? I think it save your

[Joker]: Conscience of it.

[Unrealstyle]: Well, no, his example.

[Joker]: Oh, his example was you had a father who was in a coma or cancer.

[Unrealstyle]: Yes. A father of like four, three or four, with terminal cancer. Is it unethical to transfer his mind from that body to this one?

[Joker]: That doesn't have or show existence of life?

[Unrealstyle]: Right. Is it ethical? And so, at this ending scene that I've never seen before, we see that he has

[Joker]: They have done that transfer.

[Unrealstyle]: He did it right before he died.

[Joker]: He transferred his own consciousness or what can be assumed, he transferred his own consciousness to that body.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: And in the scene, he speaks out and all it really says is Moira. And she looks at the patient laying there who she was checking on and is questioning, like, “Charles?”

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: What? Like, it was a huge it was a huge deal. Never seen that before. And we accidentally stumbled upon it because I hit the button because it said Skip credits.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: I was like, what?

[Unrealstyle]: And I was looking over everything, and then all of a sudden this pops up and I'm like, what is this? What is that?

[Joker]: I've never seen this. So that is X Men: Last Stand, the third movie in the franchise. Those either here at Twitch chat or YouTube or in the audio realms. What do you guys think about the series so far? If you're following along with us, watching with us as we go through this series, what ideas do you have based on the lineage in which they're presenting them? Do you think it's interesting, especially compared to what you may know from the newer movies, because we'll be talking about that as we go through as well.

[Joker]: So next up is some Fun Facts or what they call Trivia. This is coming from the Xmenmoviesfandom.com X Men slash Trivia. So, it's just some fun facts that they kind of threw in here some the fandoms threw together based on the movie itself. First bullet point story elements. But the story elements in X Men Last Stand were loosely adapted from various storylines featured in the comic book series.

[Joker]: Let's see. So, Jean Grey emerging from the body of water after her supposed death is a homage. Two X Men volume one of the 101 storyline titled Lake of Phoenix from the Ashes. The issue also commences the start of Phoenix saga, which is ran through issues 101 through 108 of X Men Volume 1. So, if you have those comics, go back, and look at it. This is what this movie is primarily based on when it comes to the Phoenix side of Jean Grey, the corrupt psyche of Gene Grey is adapted from the Dark Phoenix Saga story arc that ran through issue 129 to 138 of X Men Volume One. That's cool. At least they're staying within the same realm.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: And the development of The Cure is adapted from Gifted, a story arc that ran from issues one through six of Astonishing X Men Volume 3. So, there's some comic book lore built into the movie.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: No one cares about

[Unrealstyle]: No, not really. (unsure, audio distortion.)

[Joker]: All right. So here we go. In Dr. Mccoy's first scene, he is seen reading the issue of Scientific America magazine upside down, mind you, which features it's covered as tracking mutations. The issue is an existing one. So, this is a real live magazine. So, if you want to look it up, it's Scientific America magazine and it is tracking mutations. The issue was released October 2005. So that was a real thing.

[Joker]: Angel's wings were initially too heavy for Ben Foster, who was the actor who played Angel and were remade from home.

[Unrealstyle]: They don't look it. They did not look it.

[Joker]: Yes, I know, right.

[Unrealstyle]: So, they did really well on that one. And then the wings went to CPI, which is fair.

[Joker]: Yeah, completely fair. Another fun fact. Halle Berry initially decided not to reprise her role as Storm for this film. So, two iterations. She's like, no, I'm not doing it anymore. However, after Brian Singer, who was the director, departed and suffering a major box off the slot with Catwoman. So that's why she didn't want to deal with Singer. Oh, no, she had the Catwoman flop.

[Unrealstyle]: I think it's Singer and the flop.

[Joker]: Okay. So, after the flop of Cat Woman that she starred in, she decided to go back and do this role.

[Unrealstyle]: On the condition that the role be expanded, which I can kind of understand because she didn't have much of an arc

[Joker]: Story arc to it.

[Unrealstyle]: Yes. She was a major character, but she didn't have the major roles.

[Joker]: Yeah. She was very much a supporting character in the movies.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: So, it says, let's see. Consequently, in the film, Storm replaces Cyclops because Cyclops died and Professor X as team leader of the X Men. So, she took over his team lead in that, I'm guessing in that promise.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Is what it looks like. It reads as, which is keeping with the comic books, where for a time, Storm served as team leader in Xavier's absence.

[Unrealstyle]: That's cool.

[Joker]: So at least they were trying to keep it accurate to the comics best as possible. Let's see. Here we go. Next, Bullet down with the appearance of Beast, though he was in previous films and Angel, the original X Men team that was formed in 1963 was Professor X, Cyclops, Phoenix, not Jean Grey, Beast, Ice Man, and Angel. That was the original team.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Wow.

[Unrealstyle]: I think they changed the ages of some of the.

[Joker]: Well, Iceman, for sure, because I remember Iceman in the series was a lot older.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Rogue was a lot older.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. I think they changed it for more like aesthetic wise to draw more like a younger generation because at the time X Men was there at that time,

[Joker]: Us.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: 30-year-old, basically.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. So, I think they were trying to draw in a younger crowd, which they did.

[Joker]: Yeah. Now fully appeared in the film. So, this is the first time that the original team fully showed up in the movies. So that's cool.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: But of course, not altogether, because Iceman wasn't a part of the team. Hank hasn't been a part of the team. He just been doing political Laws. And Angel wasn't an X Men at this point either.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: All right, let's see. What else do we got? So, the writers wrote. So, Brian Singer was going to direct, and he and his writers wrote a treatment solely based on the storyline of the Dark Phoenix saga. The decreased Jean Grey returns with a new or destructive personality called Phoenix. She would be manipulated into joining Hellfire Club by their telepathic leader, Emma Frost, whose Sigourney Weaver was intended to for the role.

[Unrealstyle]: I got just as seen Sigourney Weaver and X Men. I feel robbed. I feel robbed.

[Joker]: Right, let's see. But the three-way battle occurs. Club who want to take over the world by either Brotherhood in this in the movie depiction, the X Men who wanted to save their Comrade and his brother Phoenix for their own plans at the end to save everyone, kills herself.

[Unrealstyle]: (audio distortion)

[Joker]: Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, the characters, Fat and Spike, who were both from Static or X Static comic books, had cameos.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, the big guy.

[Joker]: Yeah, the fat guy that transitions into a small guy.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, that's him. And then Spike is. I like porcupine.

[Joker]: Yeah. Because it really is a porcupine. Except instead of just sitting up, they come out of his skin. So, the guy, Kane Marco, who plays Juggernaut.

[Unrealstyle]: No, that's his name. That's Juggernaut's actual name. Kane Marco.

[Joker]: Oh, yes, I forgot that was his name. Alright, so you don't know who I am. “I'm the Juggernaut bitch”. That became infamous because of this character, or this depiction of the character was inspired by a popular web parody film that made use of scenes from X Men. Throughout the parody, the Juggernaut character repeatedly says, “I'm the Juggernaut bitch,” according to the Wikipedia. Now we got to find. But I'm saying find this parody. According to Brent Ratner even has a link to this parity in his own website. There you go. Look at that. So, let's see whether or not the parody itself was inspired by misheard line from an old X Men video game is irrelevant to the film's usage of the line, since it's clearly a homage to the web parody.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: All right, so we talked about this one prior to the recording of this Summer Glau. So, Summer Glau is infamous by the TV show Firefly and the movie Serenity, where she is one of the main characters in the series and in the movie. But she originally auditioned for the role of Kitty Pride, who Elliot Page actually got the one that can run through walls, phase through walls. But she looked to Josh who gave her the parts in Firefly and Serenity for advance because she knew it was, she was a big X Men fan, right? Yeah, she was a big X Men fan. Unaware that he had written issues of Astonishing X Men for Marvel and most prominently the gifted storyline about the mutant cure. Her audition script turned out to be pages from Wheaton's Astonishing X Men number five.

[Unrealstyle]: He was a big X Men.

[Joker]: Yeah, he was the big X Men. She originally auditioned for it, but Ellie Page got it. Let's see the opening flashback. Xavier and Magneto. The CGI faces the Bfxpertz. I get it now. Xperts, the visual effects Xperts created a special program that enabled digital skin grafting with the use of old photos from Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen. Complexing keep framing is how they made the 20-year younger versions of the two actors for that scene. Griff, if you're still in here, maybe you can help give us an understanding of this next fun fact. The number on Jean's house in that scene mailbox was 1769. If you can come back to us with that kind of reference, we haven't looked that up.

[Joker]: So, Jed Bernard and Nick Style were considered. But Mike Boggle was originally passed and had to drop out to scheduling conflicts with the Sign. And finally, Penn Foster took resting. I did not know if the Sign was being filmed at the same time. Let's see. According to VFX supervisor John Bruno, about 35 billion was spent on the Golden Gate seat. $35 million for one scene to remove a section of the Golden Gate Bridge and have it fly through the air. That is crazy.

[Unrealstyle]: That's probably where all the money went for special effects. Because to be fair, during the fight scene, they're not.

[Joker]: It's all physical effects, like explosions.

[Unrealstyle]: Well, that and there's not a variety of hours. Like, you see the same guys jumping. You see someone teleporting, like Nightcrawler.

[Joker]: Yeah. Like twice, though.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. You see one guy that can stick to the underside of a tower. You see another guy who like ash and skin, whatever. And when he reads that, you basically disintegrate. Besides Arc Light, Spike and Liso, you really don't see much of any other mutant powers. It's basically just all pretty much. Which sucks. But at the same time, I can understand.

[Joker]: Okay, here we go. Talking about Callisto. The mute Callisto in the film is a combination of her comic book version, which is the gang leader.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: And then also the mutant Taliban. And Quicksilver. So, in the film, her first mutant ability that she shows off is the superhuman speed. And that piques his interest. Or Magneto's interest in that one scene in the Cathedral where they're having the meeting.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: But then she talks about being able to sense mutant abilities. Like, no one in this room is over a level three except you two, talking about Magneto and Pyro.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: So that is Caliban's ability as being able to sense mutant abilities or the power levels of. And Quicksilver, of course, is super-fast,

[Unrealstyle]: Which we don't see like either of them until the first time we see Caliban is in Apocalypse and then fix over,

[Joker]: I think, is when Magneto is in the prison under Pentagon.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Because they go there.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. So that's like the first time we see.

[Joker]: Fun fact. Quicksilver in the New Class is the only X Men to be featured in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: He's the only actor to play in both universes, even though they're all the same universe. But in the cinematic universes, they're very different. And he's the only person to play in both universes. So, there's a fun fact for you. Let's see. So, the Danger Room facility was going to appear in previous X films but was written out due to budgetary concerns. The character Leech appears in the comics as a small green rather than a normal looking human child.

[Unrealstyle]: That would have been interesting.

[Joker]: The sequence where Magneto rips off the end of the Golden Gate Bridge and moves it towards Alcatraz was based on new X Men Number Seven, where he did the same with the Manhattan and the Brooklyn Bridges

[Unrealstyle]: What’s with him and bridges?

[Joker]: They're metal. I mean, those bridges are one hundred years old. They're all steel.

[Unrealstyle]: I know, but it's just like kind of thing for moving bridges here.

[Joker]: Yeah. The Danger Room sequence, presenting the scenario of War-Torn World filmed the mutant hunting robots, the Sentinels. The scenario is a homage to X Men storyline Days of Future Past, which featured time travel and a future that was similar to what Danger Room was in it. So, this was well before the actual film Days of Future Past, which is the next film timeline. Yeah

[Unrealstyle]: In the timeline.

[Joker]: Chronological.

[Unrealstyle]: Thank you. And that order.

[Joker]: It was actually the first chronological.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Let's see. I didn't have this

[Unrealstyle]: No X men first class, if we're going like the way the going.

[Joker]: So, Days of Future Past would actually be the last. No apocalypse.

[Unrealstyle]: No. Because that's set in the past. Yeah.

[Joker]: So. Yeah. Days of Future Past has both sets of pasts. The older and younger version. Right.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: So, yeah, that would have been the last one in the chronological

[Unrealstyle]: for the older ones. Yes. That is the last kind of technically the last movie that Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart, you see as their characters

[Joker]: Outside of Logan.

[Unrealstyle]: Outside of Logan. Like, there is like one scene where it was James McAvoy and Patrick Stewart one of the talk to each other and see. Oh, wait, no,

[Joker]: I think that is where they communicate cross timeline.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Basically, that's the last one.

[Joker]: Okay, let's see.

[Unrealstyle]: For Daniel, cut more to. Whereas Colossus, this was considered a cheaper move rather than animating colossus ability. And CGI, as seen in the previous film. I told you talked about this earlier, by the way, because in the second one, you can actually see where the metal is, is like muscle underneath, like the muscles that are skin. But in this one, Last Stand

[Joker]: got you.

[Unrealstyle]: There's still like facial features and everything,

[Joker]: But there's not that level of detail.

[Unrealstyle]: Right. Because when they're shooting at them, you see it come through and you see where the muscle lines are. But in this one, it's like you see the muscle basically it's like the skin, not like the actual side.

[Joker]: Okay.

[Unrealstyle]: And I was so mad about that. That explains it, though,

[Joker]: The maneuver when Colossus grabs Logan and throws him at something, which we find out is Sentinel during.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: So, this is the scene in the Danger Room when they're doing the training and Colossus picks up Wolverine and throws him at the Sentinel. That you don't know is necessarily a Sentinel because you just see the big, bulging eyes and hear the sounds of the Sentinel.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: Spinning around a few times to gain momentum, is known as a Fastball Special and is the ironic iconic move in the X Men saga. The Fastball Special is filmed based on John Cassidy's amazing X Men number Six. So, they actually pay a lot of homage to the comic books here, especially the different, I guess, lineages or sagas that they talk about.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: The Juggernaut is filmed based on his appearance in The Ultimate X Men. So, this Juggernaut versus Deadpool Juggernaut, which are two different variations.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Because this one, I believe, is more human like.

[Unrealstyle]: No, they're both human. The difference is that Juggernaut not the one in Last Stand, but the other Juggernaut in Deadpool.

[Joker]: He's bigger,

[Unrealstyle]: bigger, but also power. His mutated power isn't like, he got it from a gem. He got it from, like, something else.

[Joker]: Okay,

[Unrealstyle]: So, in Last Sand, this is genetic. Like, most mutes get their power.

[Joker]: Yeah, that's right. Because his Dome shaped helmet is just to protect his head from getting knocked out

[Unrealstyle]: and also, to keep Charles out

[Joker]: Because it is the same material. It's just a rugged material. Or rugged because of his using his head as a ramrod is why it's all dented up and scarred versus Magnetos metal, which is smooth.

[Unrealstyle]: Because it doesn't. Because what most people don't know, but what they realize is that after his mother dies, that is when his powers activate. What people don't know is that Charles mother married Juggernaut's father, so they became stepbrother. Juggernaut's father favored Charles, and that's where the hatred came from. And that's where he knows about his powers. And that's another reason why he goes to help to keep Charles out of his head.

[Joker]: Oh, fair.

[Unrealstyle]: Because he knows what his stepbrother can do.

[Joker]: Got you. Okay. Makes sense now, right. Because in the series, he is natural mutant. But while in the original Marvel comics, his ability came from magic, because the one in the Deadpool is still natural.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. They just don't go into the Lake,

[Joker]: but he's also bigger, more animated.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. They made him look like what he looks like in comics.

[Joker]: Yeah. Versus this one, the Last Stand. Juggernaut looks more human like, but just bulky, oversized versus unproportioned.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. They still made him like a human genetic mutant rather

[Joker]: than manufactured.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, basically, pretty much.

[Joker]: Okay, let's see. Modified Oakley Penny model. So, if you want Cyclops sunglasses from these first three movies, they're Oakley's Penny model and limited-edition sunglasses with a custom tinted created specifically for the film. Also, Hank McCoy wears Oakley Y three glasses specially made to fit his character, I'm guessing wider head.

[Unrealstyle]: That's a big head.

[Joker]: Yeah, it is.

[Unrealstyle]: Sure?

[Joker]: Maggie Grace. Oh, because they made her a child in this. Remember, she's a young teenager versus an older teenager like she is in the original series.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah. Okay. I'm like, wait, what?

[Joker]: Yeah. By this point, I think Maggie was so Maggie Grace is the chick from the Lost series. That was the pristine preppy bitch. She also played in Californication as well. So that's Maggie Grace. But anyway, Maggie Grace was, I think, late in the late twenties when this was filled.

[Unrealstyle]: And considering how young she looks. Yeah. She could probably pull off like,

[Joker]: Oh, no, I'm sorry. She was in her twenties when this was filmed versus her preteen teenage years.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: According to fun inspired X Men storylines, Phoenix saga, the Phoenix story represented the main and emotional theme of the film. And the gifted storyline would be the political.

[Unrealstyle]: I mean, that makes sense.

[Joker]: Yeah. So, the film, the way it's broken down as the main plot is based on the storyline of the Dark Phoenix saga, whereas the political plot, which everybody's fighting against, is from the Gifted series,

[Unrealstyle]: which again,

[Joker] is the cure.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, actually

[Joker]: All right, so let's see. Brian Singer is in the middle of the three-picture deal, the box being beginning with X-2. So, there was supposed to be a third film after this, another film after this. But keen to make X Men Three, but he and Fox were unable to come to terms during the time Warner offered him a chance to direct Superman Returns immediately, so Singer informed Fox that he was going to take the opportunity but would still return for a direct X Men Three. As the consequence, his deal was terminated, and Matthew Bond briefly joined the production before he backed out. Brent Ratner, excuse me, was the finalist for the director's role on the first X Men, having experience in making a successful film out of a rush production with Rush Hour. Interesting.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: So that's why the story plot stopped with Last Stand.

[Unrealstyle]: That sucks. All right,

[Joker]: So, they're probably not going to revisit that storyline, that story arc with Professor X.

[Unrealstyle]: They really can't. Yeah.

[Joker]: Because Fox own those rights to that storyline.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, that and the new one. I mean, even if Disney own it now, since it's on Disney plus.

[Joker] I don't know. Both Rebecca Romaine played Mystique and

[Unrealstyle]: James Marsden

[Joker]: James Marsden, thank you. Scott Rolls were reduced substantially when the film was rushed into production and the two cast members had prior scheduling conflict. So, because the actors had other things going on, they said, well, we'll just kill them all. Fucking movie magic.

[Unrealstyle]: Yay. Makes so much sense.

[Joker]: Let's see, scroll down a little bit. Get some later. Fun facts. If you see anything good. Really.

[Unrealstyle]: Oh,

[Joker]: Oh, here we go. Nightcrawler was supposed to make a cameo appearance in this film because he played in X-2 and was going to reprise the role despite his discomfort with the prosthetic makeup he had to wear for his role. Cameo was so short, however, that the film felt the long and costly make up process was not worthwhile, so he was omitted from the film. Video Game X Men the Official Game mentioned that Nightcrawler joined the X Men but left because he didn't appreciate their life of action and violence. Because the Nightcrawler character was a strong Roman Catholic.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: The mutant Kitty Pride was named after an actual person, a former classmate of X Men writer John Burn. Upon the release of X Men reports, reporters track down Pride in Calgary, Canada to interview her about the film. She has now changed her name to KD Pride. Like the letter K, the letter D Pride and states that she appreciates the comics but wishes to be known as more than just a heroine namesake. Fuck, I'd live off of that.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: That's royalty rights right there.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: You use my name, give me money.

[Unrealstyle]: Right. I'll be okay with that.

[Joker]: Let's see. Comic Book Pride appears in all three X Men films but is played by different actresses. So, the young young one in the first one was Sumela Kay, Katie Stewart the second one, and finally Ellen, at the time, Page and only has a major role in X Men last name because she is a supporting character in Days of Future Past.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Which has what, maybe three minutes total of screen time.

[Unrealstyle]: I think she's like in the beginning part of it. Yeah.

[Joker]: The very beginning and the very end outside of the time work.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, I think so.

[Joker]: Because she's the whole reason why Logan is allowed to go back in time.

[Unrealstyle]: Right.

[Joker]: Xavier uses her, and we'll get into this, but Xavier uses her to get into Logan's mind to transfer him, basically.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: All right. So, let's see. So, the last scene of Magneto and Professor X where Magneto discovers the return of his powers and Professor X reveals his survival were not in the script and were secretly filmed. Sir Ian McCullen and Sir Patrick Stewart admitted even they didn't know whether their scenes would be in the final cut or not

[Unrealstyle]: I'm glad they were.

[Joker]: Yeah. Last point here. We're skipping down some more. And again, this website will be in the show notes for anybody listening in audio land if you want to listen in. Magneto ended up a normal human and Wolverine snide comment, “I'm one of them” is a tribute to the X Men storyline House of M, which ended with Magneto rendered human with Wolverine stating he deserves every second of his crap, Sapiens, crap, Sapiens life. Wow, that's interesting.

[Unrealstyle]: A lot of stuff.

[Joker]: Oh, yeah. That is the origin go

[Unrealstyle]: Up a little bit. Oh, there we go. The popular gambit.

[Joker]: Yes.

[Unrealstyle]: Was going to appear in the film

[Joker]: Again

[Unrealstyle]: Again, and would have been a love interest of Rogue and arrival for Ice Man, similar to how Kitty Pride was Rogue's rival for Ice Man's affection. However, Fox was developing X Men Origins, Wolverine, and stipulated that no mutant could appear in both X films. And so, Gambit was removed from the script. Channing Tatum was in the running for the role before it was removed, which makes sense because there was like so much fan art when in talks of Gambit joining the X Men. Because you know how, like everyone says, I think this person will be perfect. That and that.

[Joker]: So, you're saying that the fan art was depicting Channing Tatum as Gambit?

[Unrealstyle]: Yes

[Joker]: But see, that in lies the problem because Gambit, especially in the animated series, his voice, of course, being from Louisiana, get that strong Cajun accent. Channing Tatum doesn't have that.

[Unrealstyle]: Well, you can always learn. I mean, it's the same way people would learn a Russian accent or a French accent.

[Joker]: Yeah, maybe. But personally, to get to X Men original, to get to the Gambit character, that actor.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, he does do it justice.

[Joker]: The only issue I have with the Gambit character that is depicted way older than wrote where in the series that I remember growing up, they were very close in age.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, they were. Because they were love interest in X Men Unlimited series or they were like attempting to be like

[Joker]: They were starting

[Unrealstyle]: Like you could tell that's what they were building up to, it was Gambit and Probe

[Joker]: And that's what it was during the entirety of the animated series.

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah.

[Joker]: His Gambit Rogue were together. Jean was split between Scott and Logan because the Phoenix character was drawn to Logan, whereas Jean Grey was engaged and married to Scott. And it was an underlining consideration of the Mystique and Magneto for a long time.

[Unrealstyle]: They kind of brought that energy into which I greatly appreciate it.

[Joker]: Yes. Okay. So, yeah, it looks like we're going to end that there. I need to make a note.

[Joker]: If you are watching us on YouTube again, the Madhouse presents Group Therapy on the Tube of You’s. Or if you are listening to us on the podcast that you can find on all major listening platforms, please leave a comment or leave us a review. Let us know what you think so far of our series. Unreal, or Jordan, here will be joining us for the next one as well, if you haven't caught that much so far, but we will be probably making this a regular thing. Sadly, Owls has had to step down by personal choice for different reasons, but maybe we'll get her back on in another appearance later down the road. But yeah, we got Jordan here that thankfully local to me now, so more regular appearances will try to be scheduled with personal life so that that can happen.

[Joker]: While I'm copying this down, Jordan, do you want to tell everybody your socials and where they can find you want to plug those in. If you know

[Unrealstyle]: Twitch is Unrealstylettv, Twitter is Unrealstyle1, that is about all that I have at the moment because I have lost my TikTok because I was in hectic. I was just like relog and I can't remember what it is.

[Joker]: Well, you're also talking about rebranding anyway so the Unrealstyle name is probably going to go away, right?

[Unrealstyle]: Yeah, probably.

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