[Joker]: Let's get into today, where we're going to be talking about the second movie. the second movie, X Two, X Men United. So, we've already talked about the the first movie that premiered back in 2000, X Men and the plot-line and what it was intended to be.

Also what ended up happening because of fandoms. And we talked about towards the end of that episode, which again was episode ten, some unique features about it, like, why did they make the movie? Who was the main star, who was the intended main star? And then the fact that they actually didn't mean to make another movie after that until, of course, all the popularity came from Hugh Jackman's character, Wolverine.

But now here we are, X-2. X-2 premiered in 2003. 2003, of course, being three years after the premiere of X Men. Now, of course, everybody that follows the X Men universe knows that there is a huge following in multiple lineages of comic books.

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[Joker]: But what we're going to be talking primarily about today is the cinematic universe. The cinematic universe does not always follow with the guidelines and the storylines of the different comic book series of X Men, but it does like to pull from different ones, to include a lot of different mutants that showed up. Now fun fact: I was trying to explain, or not explain, but talk to Owls about how X Men and the Marvel Cinematic Universe are actually quite close, at least from the X Men side of it.

Today, we get to kind of dive deeper into that because a lot of mutants that made A list cameo are mentioned or shown in the movie, if you pay attention. So we'll be getting to that. We'll also be talking about the different mutants that show up during the episode or during this movie at different points. And then we'll go into the overall plot line, which I will be using the Wiki link, the Wikipedia link, to kind of skim through the main plot of X Two. And then towards the end of this episode, we will be getting into some fun facts. So “15 things you may not have known about X Two” from a website called Mental Floss.com. All links will be in the show notes: X Men cinematic universe.

[Joker]: X-2, X Men United. Why the fuck did they name it like that? X-2, X Men United. Why the fuck couldn't they just name it X Men United? Oh, my goodness. The early 2000s was horrendous when it came to naming things in my mind, like, for real, X-2, X Men United, you just couldn't name it X Men United. What's going on here? What is the big deal with these names? The X Men universe?

At least one thing they did. They waited a three year gap between movies or between releases because they had no plan on it. Right? I mentioned that earlier in the beginning, but with this one, they at least did it right in my mind. In my personal opinion, they actually started up where they left off on the other one. So if you remember, in the original X Men, the movie kind of ended with Logan going to Alkali Lake.

Professor X drove into his memories and saw Alkali Lake as far as a connection to Logan's past. Cause still, at this point Logan has no memory of his past at all. Like literally at all, except for what Professor X or Xavier was able to pull from his memories, which wasn't very much.

With that, we actually start out at the White House. And in the White House, we meet our first mutant, at least our first new mutant to this movie. And you see puffs of black and purplish smoke popping in and out of things and like a ghost like figure. Well, of course, we all know that follow the series or have watched more than just the movies, especially by this point. It's Nightcrawler. While that's going on, Nightcrawler is popping in and out and then attacks the President after dismantling his entire guard, the Secret Service, and gets over the President with a knife in his hand, gets shot, drops a knife and it lands next to the President's head almost. And on it, before the scene cut, is a tagline that says Mutant Freedom Now.

And then it cuts to Wolverine at Alkali Lake, which is frozen over. He gets to the entrance of what looks like the dam portion of it and there's a wolf that greets him. They kind of stares at him, they stare at each other, all that good stuff. And then he walks in and then seeing cuts again. But again, that portion was Logan leaving to go to Alkaline Lake in the end of the first movie. Now here we are at the beginning of the second movie and he's there, finds nothing.

And then the next scene transfers over to Storm, which is talking to the students or the young mutants at a Museum, a regular Museum. And then of course, as the scene progresses, you see Jean Grey, Cyclops at the Museum with the students. And then it kind of cuts over to the food court, where we see Rogue, Iceman and Pyro kind of just hanging out like teens do. They don't care about the Museum, they don't care about the history. So they're just chilling out in the food court. Well, there's other kids or older teens I guess, probably like 18, 19, come up and start messing with or fucking around with Pyro because he's got his lighter, he's playing with the flame. And then one of them looks at Rogue, one of them jacks the lighter from Pyro and then he lights his cigarette with it. Of course, Pyro being the ass hat that he is funny. It was absolutely fun that he did it funny as hell how he did this because Pyro manipulates the flame, lights the kids jacket on fire. And then Ice Man Bobby uses his powers in front of everybody and puts out the kid. Well, at that point, before the scene cuts, Professor X freezes everything. And that's when the scene then cuts back to the President.

When we cut back to the President, of course, Stryker is there. We all know who Stryker is. Those of you who don't know, Stryker is a character who has been villainized in the movies as trying to get rid of all the mutants. One of the villainized characters trying to get rid of all the mutants. He is a human. He has been around since Vietnam. And spoiler. He is the one accredited to giving Adamantium to Logan, giving him the Adamantium, claws and skeleton where he's virtually indestructible. Now, with that part of the skit going on, where Stryker, they're trying to get more things going.

Of course, Senator Kelly shows up. Well, not really Senator Kelly, of course, because if you watch the first one, you'll know that Senator Kelly died, thanks to Magneto. So who else can it be? Dun dun duuunnn. It's Mystique. Mystique is here, of course, playing or mutated into or mimicking, of course, Senator Kelly. Trying to find out information about Magneto's imprisonment.

And you can see that in the next segment of that scene where Mystique or Senator Kelly follows Stryker and his associates, who also is a mutant. But we'll find out that later. But Mystique follows out and trying to get access to Magneto's prison, because it is a very secure location that Stryker built that is made out of all plastic.

Well, after that, the next scene, of course, cuts to Magneto being in the prison, and Stryker shows up and you find out how he's getting information, which is a serum or some type of drug that he drops on the back of the neck of the mutants or anybody as a truth serum of sorts. But instead of being a truth serum, he's actually manipulating anybody who he spurts or syringes on the back of the neck of the person or and/or mutant. He can control them. Well, that's how he controlled Nightcrawler. He got a hold of him, put that serum in his bloodstream, I guess, on the back of his neck. It was just right at the base of the neck and made him do that.

Now, with that, he's asking Magneto about Cerebro, because he's trying to develop his own. Well, then, of course, it turns into Mystique doing the visualization of Stryker’s associate, which is a female, and walking into Striker's facility or one of his facilities, not the facility. And this is where it gets fun, okay.

So, amongst all of this, of course, you have Jean and Storm taking the jet from the campus to Boston to collect, in a sense, Nightcrawler. And also in that process of Professor X trying to locate with Cerebro Nightcrawler, Logan is there with him. Logan gets left behind, while Storm and Jean Grey go to Boston in the jet, Professor X and Scott, or Cyclops, go to the prison to talk to Magneto. So again, Logan is left at school with the kids by himself, as the only adult mutant there. Now as the only adult mutant there, of course, he's not really teaching them anything. I think it's the weekend. It kind of has that vibe about it.

But anyway, back to Mystique. So Mystique is in one of Striker's corporate facilities, and she is trying to access some files to find out where Magneto is being held at. So she impersonates his voice, uses voice command to gain access to secure files. And in that process, she pulls up a list of different mutants that are throughout the world. And the list only showed a portion of the names. And they are Guthrie, Harada, Kane, Remy LeBeau, Eric Lensherr, Lindsner, which of course is Magneto, Maddox, Madrox, Mon, Maximoff, MacTaggert, and Moonstar.

All right, so those are the list of names that it shows in that particular scene. Now, that particular section of the scene is less than want to say 10-15 seconds long. But that's a lot of information because there are Guthrie, two, which in the comics talks about Sam and Paige Guthrie. Sam is Cannonball, which has been in a lot of the movies as well going forward, but also was a big play in one of the spin offs of the X Men universe depictions in the comic books. Also Page, who was another one. Her mutant name, of course, was Husk. So that is another part of the comic books that they mentioned as far as the X Men.

Now, Harada is the Silver Samurai. Now, if you've watched movies like the X Men series already, you'll know who he is. So the Silver Samurai actually is the nemesis in both Wolverine standalone movies. Not Origins, but the Wolverine movie, the standalone Wolverine movie. He goes against the Silver Samurai in human form before he became an actual mutant. So that was awesome.

Cain is another weapon X variation in the comic books. You have Remy LeBeau. If you know anything about the comic books or seen a later X Men movie. Remy LeBeau is Gambit, and he played a very vital role in the X Men comic book universe because him and Rogue had a thing.

[Joker]: All right. And then, of course, Eric is Magneto. Maddox is Madrox , one of the mainstays in the comic book universe, you have Madrox. So it's M-a-d-r-o-x. And with that one that's multi-man, you actually see him in a movie. Fun fact there. Check it out. Go back, watch the original X Men movies and figure out if you can see them.

Mon is Karma in the comic book series. And then, of course, like I said, Maximoff, there's two of them. Who do we know who is Maximoff? Dun dun dun…Scarlet Witch? Yes, Scarlett Witch or Quicksilver are the Maximoff twins, and they are mentioned in the X Men universe. But of course, Scarlett Witch is a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe dealing with Captain America and all that. So again, X Men is Marvel, but they have two very distinct universes. Why they haven't merged yet, I don't know. Because they absolutely should. Okay, so the Maximoff twins.

Then you have MacTaggert. So, fun thing about MacTaggert, I can't remember if it was the brother or the sister, because they both play vital roles in the comic book universe. So the brother, I believe, is Eric MacTaggert is Proteus, who is an Omega level Mind-bender, because he can manipulate time and space. Now, if you go back and listen to episode Ten, when we talked about the first X Men movie, I briefly went over the varying classifications of the X Men or not X Men, but the mutants as far as their powers go.

And then, of course, you have Moonstar. So that's Danielle Moonstar, who started out as Psyche and then turned in or her name changed to Mirage. So that was fun seeing that list. I didn't even pick it out the second time I watched it until I saw Remy LeBeau, because Remy LeBeau being Gambit.

All right. And then from there, the scene changes. She gets her information and they go into the strike on Professor X's little estate, the school. So during that, it's at night, of course, with his goons, Stryker’s, goons, I should say. You see Siren in there, she's a little girl and she yells, wakes everybody up. And during that process, of course, you again see a young Colossus, probably late teens-ish with him showing up in this form. He looks like he's late teens, but not a part of the X Men yet. So that's why I say late teens. He's not actually an active member of the X Men yet. He's still acting as a student, probably one of the older ones, and is helping protect everybody else. Also, in this version of Colossus, he's not so Russian, like Eastern European with his voice, he's more just, hey, I can help. So he's like American. And that was a little off putting when I first saw that because he's always been “Arnold Schwarzenegger-ed”, his voice when he spoke kind of like what you see in Deadpool.

[Joker]: Anyhow. So we move forward towards the end of the raid, all the kids got out of the house at that point, but of course, they later get captured, or at least some of them got captured in the process. But the ones that left with Colossus got out. And then Logan, Bobby or Iceman, Rogue and Pyro are still left behind because, of course, the three teams, Bobby, Pyro or Iceman Pyro and Rogue are trying to help. And then Logan comes in, helps get them out. They turn the corner, getting ready to leave. And then Stryker’s voice. Logan stops. They have a moment and Logan remembers, partially, not completely, he just remembers his name. It's like. And then, of course, Ice Man freezes, puts up a wall between them and from there, they just leave.

Well, once they get to the garage, they get in a car, which is funny enough, an R eight. I was like, why an R eight? Those cars sucks. But I guess in the early 2000s, that was the Hype car to have. Who knew, right? But they get in there, they're like, oh, that was Stryker. He remembers. He shows that he remembers. Rogue gives him back his Wolverine dog tag. And that's it really.

So during the rest of the plot, Jean and Logan get them get night crawler. They try to go back, find out everything's. Everybody's gone. They get back in the air trying to find people. And by this point, it's the next day, Logan, Iceman, Rogue, and Pyro all go to Bobby's house, which his parents thought he was at a prep school. And it looks like there's some animosity between the brother, Bobby's brother and Bobby. Well, they're hanging out. They come out that they're mutants to his parents. And brother goes upstairs, calls the police.

In the process, they found a communicator in the car. And by that time, during the day, you have some connection between Jean in the jet and Logan. And they're like, hey, you need to get here now. It's about to go down. Of course, cops show up. And when the cops show up, it's interesting because they're trying to leave with no harm. But as soon as they walk out the door, they're met by two armed offs or two officers, weapons drawn, one on the right, one on the left, male on the right, female on the left. And of course, Logan's got his claws out. He's like, hey, I'm not trying to start anything. And he puts them away when he puts them away, oh, my God. POW! Shot comes from the right knock Logan out for the first time that I think I've seen him get shot. Well, during this process, of course, they're trying to talk. The cops are trying to talk them down, to get on the ground. Of course, Ice Man and Rogue, they get down. Pyro doesn't get down. He clicks his zippo open, blows right cop off the porch, and then turns around and blows left cop off the porch to immediate threats. Then he goes and blows up all three. I think it was three cop cars in the yard. Rogue takes off her glove, grabs Pyro to suck his energy and his ability to manipulate the flames and puts out all the fires.

As that happens, you have the jet landing. They all get in the jet. Logan, of course, wakes up after he pushes out the bullet from his head. And from there, they walk off. While Logan walking off last. The cop that shot him in the head is scorched in a sense, like soot blackened, has a gun drawn. Looks at him. Logan looks over like, yeah, okay, try me again. It got it back down. That was a funny moment for me.

Now as the scene progresses on. Of course they're trying to find everybody. They've got everybody in the jet flying back. Of course, after Pyro's little shenanigans, the X Men jet is now being trailed by two fighter jets. Storm does her little tornado thing, gets rid of them, but needless to say, there's still Rockets after them. Rockets blow open the back of the jets. And Rogue because in her panic from the jets did not get the seatbelt or the harness strapped in. So she goes flying out the back, Nightcrawler then goes after *poof poof* they’re back. And now the jets in a downward spiral, uncontrollable. The back majestically closes back up and comes to a controlled stop. And as you see out the front, it's Magneto along with Mystique or in the woods. That's when they join forces.

[Joker] That's where the title depicts the X Men United aspect, because in the original series, this is the first time that Magneto is actually willing to work with the X Men to end a common enemy, which is Stryker. Backstory on Stryker. Striker has a son who is a mutant, is a psychic, and that's a problem because he controls Xavier into controlling Cerebro into Xavier using the mock up Cerebro to kill all the mutants. Well in making that plan, they end up next scene, Mystique, disguised as Logan, infiltrates Stryker’s base. And then of course once she's in, she lets all the other ones in, which are Magneto, Logan, Storm and Jean. And from there, of course, you find out that when Professor X got taken from the prison, Scott, who is Cyclops, was also taken. Well now he ends up being there and under the drippy dropsies of his serum or Stryker serum. There’s a battle that ensues back and forth. This is also when you find out that Stryker’s assailant or associate is also a Weapon X.

This version of the female Weapon X has nails that grow out to be claws, basically instead of actual claws coming out of her fists like the young Weapon X that we see later on where it's just two that come out, but her whole body is Adamantium as well. That's when Stryker tells Logan that he's not the only one. So that's the first hint for later movies.

Now as things happen, of course Cyclops, being under the serum control, is trying to kill Rogue, oh not Rogue, kill Jean Grey. Cyclops, goodness, Mystique and Magneto. Well of course Jean Grey bites Cyclops, Cyclops has the serum wear off, and then they're talking again. Well in the process of their fighting, they crack the dam. And eventually as they try to escape with everybody, dam fills up with water or the base fills up with water and boom, it's gone.

So what the Wiki says here is as the X Men flee the dam, this water engulfs it, killing Stryker, but the X-jet, is what they call it, loses all power and struggles to take flight as the floodwaters rush towards them. Jean sneaks off the jet and Telepathically wishes the team goodbye. So this is where we lose Jean, because I think it was weight, if I remember correctly. Plus she had to be off to watch it, kind of push it off. She holds back the water. Oh, that's right. She's holding back the water so they can escape and not only holding back the water, but also lifts the jet up so it can take off as the last scene that we see her in. She erupts in flames, becoming the Phoenix again, and then let's go and allows the flood to crash down on her, presumably killing her. So that's how that scene was left off. Like you see, the dark Phoenix come out of Jean Grey or the Phoenix come out of her, and then she's covered in water again.

So the X Men. Then it cuts the X Men give the President Stryker’s files and Xavier warns him that humans and mutants must work together to build peace. And then it cuts again back at the school where Xavier, Cyclops and Logan remember Jean, her presumed loss of her life. Logan's upsets, but knows loss, whereas Cyclops, it was in love with her fiancée, engaged, whatever, and pretty broken up like that. And then it cuts to a final scene where it says “Meanwhile, a Phoenix like shape rises from the flooded Alkali Lake.” It cuts out, of course, talking or Storm's voice or Halle Berry is talking, saying a nice little pretty catchphrase. And yeah, that's the end of the movie.

ow, fun fact about this movie too. This was the first movie that we saw the natural looking human-esque version of Raven in the X Men's cinematic universe. So that was cool. In this version, Stryker, Williams Striker is played by Brian Cox, so it was an older Stryker. Another fun fact about Nightcrawler in this timeline, Nightcrawler has never met Jean Grey or Storm or any of the other X Men, at least none that they don't hint to that at all during this lineage of the timeline. Kitty Pride is one of the X Men cameos or mutant cameos.

Artie, which was the one I was talking to you about earlier, he shows up in this one. Jubilee, she shows up a human. Hank McCoy is seen in a short TV spurt for Siren. And let's see, here's what it says as far as Gambit's cameo was shot, but the footage was not used in the final cut, so there was supposed to be a Gambit cameo here since they mentioned his name. Girl is seen dressed in a Native American style jacket, as well as a blonde haired boy dressed in blue played by Blake Anderson. These were confirmed to be Moonstar and Douglas Ramsey. Interesting. Okay, hot Diggity dog. And the writers of course showed themselves in a section where it was a flashback to the surgeons. They played the surgeons during the Weapon X flashback.

[Joker]: Oh, here's an interesting part. X Two originally premiered in London on April 24, 2003, and it wasn't released widely or to the rest of the world until May 2, 2003. That is crazy. Wow. It's over a week later, but the movie accumulated over 85.6 billion on the opening weekend worldwide. Overseas, it grossed another 69.2 million in the first five days. It surpassed Star Wars Episode II as the film with the highest opening weekend for a 20th Century Fox film. That's cool. For two weeks, it stayed in the number one spot before being displaced by Matrix Reloaded. That's crazy.

Wow. And that summer, X-2, Matrix Reloaded Finding Nemo, Bruce Almighty and The Pirates of the Caribbean, The Curse of the Black Pearl, were the first five films to gross or to cross the 200 million Mark in the box office in the summer. Okay, so here we have again, Mental Floss. And it's 15 things you may not have known About X-2. So in the opening scenes, if you look closely at the 20th Century Fox logo at the beginning of the film as it fades to black, Brian Singer had the X and Fox fade out slower as a little tribute to X Men. And apparently there are a dozen other hidden X’s throughout the movie. The windows during the Museum scene, the trim over the door in the Oval Office, and a lot of the characters wardrobes. There you go. So when you sit there and watch the movie again, X-2, check that out. That's pretty dope.

All right, so Number 2, the plot to 2 was loosely, yes. So this is coming from the comic book world here, boys and girls. So it was loosely based off of a graphic novel called God Loves Man Kills. So it was an X Men graphic novel, which featured Stryker as a villain and Magneto teaming up with the X Men and Striker's plot and killing all mutants by using an alternate or second hand version of Cerebro. While Singer, who is again, Brian Singer, the director, hired many of the new cast members specifically because of their previous work. Aaron Stafford, who plays Pyro, was hired because his role in the small indie film Tadpole. Brian Cox, who played Stryker in this film, got his part because Singer remembered him from a 1986 film “Manhunter”. Wow. Okay. Where the actor played the first incarnation of Hannah Lecter. That's right. I forgot about that. Alan Cummings, who played Nightcrawler, was in a musical cabaret.

Let's see, number four. The film was primarily set in Vancouver, Film Studios largest film production facility outside of Los Angeles. But exteriors of Stryker’s Winery base was shot at Barrier Lake in the Canadian Rockies, the province of Alberta. Production had created more over 40 tons of snow to cover the area because the unusually warm weather melted the natural snow. Holy shit. 40 tons of artificial snow or manmade snow just to make it look right, because the weather fucked up. It was warmer weather.

This is fun. So Cerebra was built in halves and the walls could be shifted around to suggest a spiral shape depending on the angle of the shot. That was cool. The Museum in the beginning of the film was actually a convention center in Vancouver. The crew outfitted the space with dinosaur bones rented from a real Museum and private collectors by the production designer. So those were real bones in a convention center. That's crazy.

[Joker]: Okay, let's see. When Professor X stops time. The extras near the main actors were mimes. They used mimes. That is crazy. Okay, that actually blew my mind. That actually blew my mind there. And all the wide shots, Singer just had the extra stop in place. Okay, so on the close up shots, like there was one, I think when Rogue poked a guy and he just kind of like that. The exterior Professor Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters were shot at Hatley Castle on the grounds of the Royal Rhodes University in Victoria, British Columbia.

Rebecca Romaine Stamos Mystique makeup took 5 hours to apply. I think we covered that one in episode ten when we were talking about some fun facts. Let's see, number twelve. X Men staples, The Danger Room, Sentinels and the characters of Beast and Archangel were supposed to be in the movie, but were cut for various reasons. Danger Room, Sentinels and Beast and Archangel were all supposed to be in that. The set for the Danger Room was actually built but scrapped because of budget concerns. Jubilee made it into the movie in a cameo, but her scene was cut for time. Oh damn, that's crazy. Jubilee was another main staple in the X Men universe in the comic series as well. That sucks that they cut her out of so much.

Pyro’s lighter with the shark graphics is a homage to Jaws, Brian Singer's favorite movie. The director's production company is also called Bad Hat Hairy Productions. Yes, I remember that. Which is inspired by the line in Spielberg Shark movie. Also (number) 14, the perfect performance to perfect his performance as Nightcrawler coming work with movement coach Terry Notary, who had previously performed in Circus de Soleil. Since X Two, Notary has worked as a movement coach on Avatar, Adventures of 1010, and The Hobbit. That's cool. That's a nice little resume of movies. The frozen barrier that Ice Man creates between Wolverine and Stryker was real. An eight foot by eleven foot, 3500 pound block of ice was installed and exploded on set. That was real ice. Holy fuck, that is absolutely insane. So 8ft wide to cover the hallway and then 11ft fucking tall.

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