• 750. How to Make Meaningful Reading Time Happen

    Are you struggling to read physical books without instantly falling asleep? In this Friday mini-episode, Lesley Logan shares her real-life challenge of trying to find meaningful time to absorb, underline, and learn from nonfiction books despite a busy schedule. She also celebrates a massive milestone for the upLift Pilates teacher training program, officially announcing the upcoming January 2027 cohorts and expressing deep gratitude for the educators trusting the process. Wrapping up with inspiring community shoutouts and a powerful weekly mantra about the freedom of self-forgiveness, this quick dose of authenticity is exactly what you need today.


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    In this episode you will learn about:

    • Why reading before bed usually puts you right to sleep.
    • The struggle of trying to underline and absorb nonfiction audiobooks.
    • Celebrating the new 2027 upLift Pilates instructor training cohorts.
    • Community shoutouts for completing the first 100 upLift training hours.
    • The mantra that creates total freedom in your everyday life.


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    • upLift Teacher Training - https://xxll.co/uws
    • @clasicapilates on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/clasicapilates/
    • @jenvfitness on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jennvfitness/
    • Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions

     

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    Episode Transcript:

    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    It's Fuck Yeah Friday.


    Lesley Logan 0:01  

    Fuck yeah!


    Lesley Logan 0:02  

    Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:48  

    Happy Fuck Yeah, Friday! Welcome to the mini episode we have here on the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we actually just get to be humans together. We just get to share what wins are happening, I'll vent a little bit, and you can go, "Oh yeah, that's a problem I have too." And then we go, "Oh, but we have to celebrate." And they're fun, and it's a good time, and it's a good time for us to be together. And I don't know, break up whatever true crime slash political podcasts are filling you up. I mean, my goodness, there's an election in a couple weeks in the States, and we are probably all over whatever podcast we're listening to on the news. So hopefully, this is brightening your day and your life.


    Lesley Logan 1:20  

    So my little hype moment, I would like to just mention about there's way too many books I want to read and not enough time. And I have tried to read before I go to bed, and I'm just going to tell you right now, I get one page and I fall the fuck asleep. I'm grateful because it just puts me to sleep. And so on the nights I've booked it up and can't get back to sleep, I just read a book that I want to read. But the actual reality is, I want to read the book, and I love listening to my audio books. They're really, really great. But also, I want to read a book, especially the nonfiction ones that I'm trying to learn stuff from. I want to underline. I want to do this stuff. So I'm trying to figure out a way to actually make some meaningful reading time happen. I'll let you know how that goes.


    Lesley Logan 1:52  

    Anyways, my win for the week is that if you have been on our waitlist or you've been following along on socials, we have the first upLift cities, my teacher training program for people want to become a Pilates instructor, we have that kicking off in 2027, right? We'll announce the cities, and so if you want to see the cities that are going to have cohorts in, please check out our website where we have the upLift directory because I'm so, so excited. Right now, I'll just have names, and eventually we're going to have their start dates, right? So names and locations. Some of them will do some remote, but I'm just so proud. This has been a year-long program, just in the build-up, and it's going to take a couple more years to juice everything out. But I'm just so, so excited and grateful for what it is that we're doing and all that we've created. And I'm immensely grateful for the educators who raised their hand to be in the beginning parts of this, because the truth is, is that I can't do this without them, and I really appreciate their trusting the process and what I put together, and they're as excited as I am, and I'm really excited that we're gonna have cohort starting in January 2027. So if you want more information about upLift, you can go to xxll.co/uws. All right, that was my win. Now I need to do your win.


    Lesley Logan 3:02  

    This is from @clasicapilates. First 100 hours completed in upLift, and can now practice teach!" Oh, I love that! I drew that win right after this one. That was not. That was definitely magic. I just looked down, and that's the first one I read. So, @clasicapilates you've been doing so great by now. You're already more than a third through the program. So, I'm just proud of you for the effort that you've been putting together.


    Lesley Logan 3:20  

    Not easy to do what you do, especially when you have life and kids and all that stuff. And then, @jennvfitness "Morning pool workout with my aunt." How cool! How special that you get to do that. I love that you're working out with your aunt. I think that's so beautiful.


    Lesley Logan 3:33  

    All right. So here is your mantra: When I forgive myself, I free myself. When I forgive myself, I free myself. Be it, babe. When you forgive yourself, you free yourself. Thank you so much for being you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 3:48  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 4:30  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 4:35  

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    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 4:47  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 4:50  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.



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  • 749. eLevate: The Mentorship to Help Pilates Teachers Connect the Dots

    In this solo episode, Lesley Logan pulls back the curtain on eLevate, her exclusive nine-month mentorship program designed for comprehensively trained Pilates instructors. She explains why collecting more exercises won't cure your imposter syndrome, and how understanding the deeper "why" behind the classical system transforms your confidence. Listen to the episode to learn the crucial difference between upLift and the eLevate program, plus how to step away from repetitive scripts and start trusting your own intuition.


    If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co.

     

    And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.


    In this episode you will learn about:

    • Why collecting more Pilates exercises rarely builds true teaching confidence.
    • The exact equipment prerequisites needed to join the eLevate mentorship.
    • How to stop sounding like a parrot using classical scripts.
    • Why eLevate spreads its virtual training weekends across nine months.
    • How to progress your clients with intention instead of guesswork.


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    Episode Transcript:

    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    I actually do stand by a quote, "Information without integration is constipation." And more information just rarely builds confidence on its own. In fact, more information often really makes you realize, "Oh my God, I don't know as much as I thought I did."


    Lesley Logan 0:15  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:58  

    All right, Be It babe, are you a Pilates instructor? This episode is going to dive into that. If you're not, you still might get some good ideas out of it, about being it till you see it. If you've been asking yourself, "Am I doing this right? Am I good enough? Can I really teach this? What if my my clients get bored of me?" If any of those questions have run through your head this week or this month or in the last year, I want you to stay with me because this episode is for you. Because last episode I actually told you what upLift was and who it's for. upLift is my new teacher training program for people who want to become a Pilates instructor who have been partially trained, and there is potential for comprehensively trained teachers to want to do upLift. But maybe you're already a teacher and you're wondering, should I do upLift? Should I do eLevate? What are these two things?


    Lesley Logan 1:41  

    And here's the deal, eLevate has been going on for over six years. The time I'm recording this, I graduated six rounds, and so, so, but now everyone knows that I have it because it's one of those things. It just keeps filling and growing, and I wanted to have something that would, for those of you who are interested, who are wondering which one you should do, wanted to have something you could listen to, understand, and really look back on before you make big decisions, because there's a lot of mentorship programs out there. So how do you know what you should do?


    Lesley Logan 2:10  

    So today I want to talk about eLevate, which is just a pride and joy of mine. It's also something I say I would never do. So eLevate is a mentorship program that I built for teachers who were already trained. And when I say already trained, I mean and certified. I mean, you've done Mat, Reformer, Cadillac, and Wunda Chair. Now, if you've done more than that, great. If you've done less than that, upLift, right? Because if you haven't done those things, then generally speaking, you've done partial trainings, and I need you to go to upLift and do that because it's just a lot going on. And a mentorship program is a little bit different than a teacher training program because a mentorship program, you are already working with clients. You already know exercises. You already, you also know what you don't. You feel like you know what you don't know, right? So you feel incomplete and you're looking for fix, miss, adding, finding the missing pieces to the puzzle. And I just want to say that that feeling isn't a sign that you did your training wrong, or the training you had was crap. Could have been really great. I've had people go through some really great trainings who still do eLevate. It's a sign that you are ready for another layer. That you are there. You're ready to learn because the reality is, loves, you can only take in so much when you're learning for the first time. There's things that take a few times to learn. Just like if you talk to your clients, like some of them, it takes months for them to actually remember how to do coordination, right? So let's talk about why eLevate exists. I, one, I was continued to be asked to create something like this and I was like, I don't know.


    Lesley Logan 3:34  

    But what I kept seeing over and over again in traveling the world to teach workshops and classes and watching people ask questions on my YouTube channel was of kind of doing mentoring in small, small little ways, but not over a long period of time, is that people are coming out of their certification, out of their training programs, and they can name an exercise, and they could run a session, and they could keep a client going, and they could keep a class going, and they could fill the space with great cues and words, but if you ask them why they were choosing the exercise or why they thought someone was ready to progress, their confidence kind of got shaky. They didn't really have some people didn't have an answer at all. Some people were, well, what do you think? Some people were, well, that's what I was told, and they didn't like how that felt. I wouldn't like how that felt, and they couldn't trust the why behind it. And I think it's you can go pretty far without knowing why, but at some point, everybody wants to know why. The brain is curious, right? So, eLevate exists, was created to close that gap for those teachers. It's a safe space to deepen what you already know, and also really get to know what you might not know that Joe Pilates has created his his intentions for this work, and to do it in a community of people who are all wanting the same thing, and ask the question they've been sitting on, and grow with people who get it, and so I really wanted to help with that, and. There's a lot of mentorship programs out there. Some of my dear friends are doing them, and the reality is, I always tell people you're the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. And my friends who do it, they can do it in the way that they only can do it. And there's people that will truly resonate with them more than they'll resonate with me. But there's also some people who just like direct, thoughtful, honest feedback, and not in a dogmatic way, and so any of the programs I create, they are classical because that's how I teach. But there's no dogma; we don't work on that, right?


    Lesley Logan 5:30  

    So I want to give you a little bit my story. When I picked my first Pilates program, I actually had no idea what I was doing. It just happened to be classical. I was told to go take from that person, and I was really taught to follow a script. I think that they would say they taught me to think on my feet, and in some capacities they might have. But truly, they told me to say it like this because it works. What happened is I tried to do it with a real human in a studio, and they didn't do it. I was expecting, and I was like, "Well, let's throw the script out the window. That doesn't really work. And I also noticed that all the people who've been trained the same way I was trained, they we all sounded like little parrots. We were all like anyone of us could have taught any one of those clients, and the client probably wouldn't notice if their eyes were closed because we just all sounded the same. And so then I did another training program, and I got a lot more information, and I realized it definitely answered a lot of questions and and filled a lot of dissonance, but it wasn't enough. Still felt like there was a a why that was missing, and so when I started sitting with Jay and the people who studied with him, things just really started to click. There was a patience and a perseverance that was cultivated, and it wasn't about oh, let's do the flashy exercise. It was no, you've got to get the juice out of these foundational exercises and finding the strength and power in that. And also, you know, for those of you who know Pilates styles as a classical teacher, there are orders, and so it's well, how do I do all these orders year after year without getting bored, and it's wow.


    Lesley Logan 7:02  

    There's actually so much creativity in the way that Jay taught me to teach with the orders, right? What does that body need today, right now? What is what am I seeing, right? And there was something I didn't get from manual. They didn't have one, and so that was really cool, and I wanted to pass on that information that Jay gave to me and the teachers that worked with him, and give it to other teachers in a way that would work. What I found is that there was a way for a lot of teachers to not be accepted into that program of readiness, accessibility of equipment, travel, money, things like that. And I wanted to create a mentorship program that would allow people from all over the world to be able to learn without having to fly into Vegas. I also wanted people who were interested in learning Joe's exercises, who were not ready to do a full Reformer, to still be able to be in a mentorship program where they could learn those things and learn how to build themselves up and then progress themselves.


    Lesley Logan 8:00  

    And so, I wanted to create something that didn't have any barrier of entry when it comes to the ability and level of practice. But at least we'd all have the base understanding that you've at least know these pieces of equipment, so that we're not overwhelming you too much, right? So, eLevate is not about more information, and that's a pattern I see consistently. I see a lot of teachers just sign up for workshops so they can collect more exercises, collect more exercises, and more exercises, and more cues, and more cues. And I actually do stand by a quote that I heard in a breathwork training that I did, which is, "Information without integration is constipation." And more information just rarely builds confidence on its own. In fact, more information often really makes you realize, "Oh my God, I don't know as much as I thought I did. And if you don't have a space and a place where you can safely integrate that information, then you just have overwhelm in your head or constipation in your brain. And so, how do we give you more information and also a way to integrate that information in real time with people who are learning, and also with your clients. And so, eLevate is a nine-month program, so it's not just a workshop weekend. And we go from Mat to Reformer to Cadillac and Ped-o-Pull to the chairs to the barrels, and we layer in each apparatus that Joe gave us based on the spine shapes that exist in Pilates, so that you get a little bit more information each time we meet, but you have time to integrate it and correlate it before you get more. And that way, you're not collecting exercises; you're weaving the system together. You're seeing that how it works. And what's super fun is it takes nine months, but then we do it forever together because eLevate runs January to September. I take one group each time every six to seven weeks. We're meeting for the weekends. We have about 11-ish, sometimes more calls. We have a community where you can chat and work together, and each person who's in eLevate gets five calls one on one with me to kind of go through the assessment that they did, and when you graduate, you're in the alumni group, and so the learning continues. That's when eLevate finally starts. So that's what's really cool. We only can run one a year, and that is on purpose. I know everyone's quite crazy in Q4, so let's not overwhelm ourselves just because we have a desire to learn more information, but that's not what the seasons are doing. And in doing that nine-month program, you get confidence from understanding the information and applying it, and getting feedback-feedback from the other people that you're working with, but feedback from me. Because I'm not here for you to memorize more. I really want you to have a bigger picture, understanding 30,000 foot view before we get so nuanced. Sometimes I think teachers get so focused on the pinky toe when really the issue is the pelvis, right? So how do we actually take in the bigger picture before we get too hyper focused on something? And then how do I create a space where you can be in process but also get feedback so that we can ditch perfectionism and imposter syndrome and create true confidence in being present with the clients that you're teaching.


    Lesley Logan 11:09  

    So, eLevate is built on the classical Pilates method that Jay Grimes taught to me and Shimoda and Karen Frischmann, all that, and he studied with Joe Pilates and Romana, and so you learn all the exercises, all of them, and you will learn the orders, but bigger picture. It's less about memorizing and more about what do you see that they need, what do you feel that they need, what do you feel you need, what is your intuition telling you, and then what exercises on the other apparatus can we pull in to teach the body the thing that you keep seeing? Because the reality is, loves, I just see so many teachers just repeat the same cue over and over again, expecting the clients to actually remember it. The truth is that they heard you. They either can't do it or didn't understand it. And so, if they can't do it, you can't talk Pilates into a body, it's what Jay always told me, you have to give them the exercise that they need, and that is the heart of eLevate. Most teachers will know what comes next in a sequence or what would flow best, but few can tell why, or why they're choosing an exercise, or why they went that way, or why they're doing that flow. Most of it's like, oh, it's an arm day. Oh, it's an ab day. Oh, it's a hip day. What if it's a body day? And eLevate really does help you understand why an exercise exists, where it sits inside the system for one person versus another, because Pilates isn't linear. How it connects to the exercise around it, and how to progress a client with intention instead of guesswork. And once you can really understand that why, once you can start to see how each exercise supports another, and how we have 500 exercises, yes, but we have one exercise truly that we do 500 different ways. You stop overcomplicating the work, and you start meeting people exactly where they are, and that is the thing that I think eLevate does so well, and what teachers love so much because they're no longer just well. I got five minutes. What are what's something I can do right now? Then what do they need in these next five minutes? A lot of teachers I have discovered in my time really worry about their clients are going to get bored, especially if they're teaching orders, and so they rush the progression. So they start giving them new exercise every single time they come, and they feel pressured to invent something new every week because that's what gets clicks on Instagram, but when you understand the system deeply, you don't really feel the need to invent anything. The method itself is full of so much inspiration, and and you can progress clients with patience and creativity because you can finally trust the material you're standing on because you know it, you understand it, you've eLevated, and I think that's so important, right? When you really do understand where you're taking someone to, you can get them to buy in a lot into their practice, and so they don't. They know they don't need to be entertained. They know they they're getting stronger, and they can compare themselves with themselves because you help them do that. Because here's the deal, every body is different, and some cues that people love that they say I'm saying, other people probably are in the same class going well, that's stupid. Not everyone is going to be at the same pace. Not everyone needs the same correction. eLevate trains you to actually see what's in front of you, and instead of running under the same script on every client, you actually are able to say what is it is that they need to be doing, or see that they can't do what that is, and you can pick an exercise that they need. It's really fun because it really feels like taking a great recipe and then going, "Oh, you know what I feel like today? A little more spice, or a little more savor, or a little more sweet.


    Lesley Logan 14:31  

    And that's how you make Pilates accessible to more people. By the way, you don't have to water the work down to do it. You can actually just go, oh, wow, I thought they're ready for that. Okay, let's take this exercise over here so we can ready for them for next time, right? So you're also not doing this alone. Like Elevate is actually me talking at you for nine months. That would be silly. It is a live virtual program. You can come to Vegas for trainings if you want. There is a community aspect that is in real time. It's so, so fun. Like the I said, the weekly there's some about 11 calls during it. They're not weekly calls because there's more than 11 weeks, but we have a call and it's where we can really nerd out together and answer questions. You have a practice partner, so you have someone that you are like progressing the whole time. And the thing about your partner is they represent a true client, right? And so you get real feedback in real time and real teaching. There's some really great self-reflections, and you're going to be practicing what you're learning in that group, but also you get to practice it in real time in the sessions that you're doing and the clients that you're teaching, and so you can actually get real life feedback from me that will apply to the world that you're in, right? Which I think is so important. So many times people are taught, "Well, this is what it is, but they're not taught. Okay, so what happens when you work on a real body? How does that work out? And you have my support in those nine months, but then beyond, because when you graduate, unless you hate me, which I doubt you will, I know it sounds egoic, but like we'll have a lot of fun together. I have an alumni group where you can participate and ask me questions for the rest of your Pilates teaching life, as long as you want to, right?


    Lesley Logan 16:10  

    So here's the structure, it's five live virtual training weekends spread across nine months, and that spacing is so that you can take the time you need to break down the concepts, practice with real clients, come back with questions, go deeper, practice with your partner. So we start with the mat and props, then we go to the Reformer, then we do the Cadillac and Ped-o-Pulls, the Wunda chairs, we do Barrels. By the end, you'll have touched every single piece of equipment that Joe created, and then some. And also, you will understand how to apply this to one-on-ones, to groups, and then also I love that people get from my program is how to teach people at different levels at the same time, so that you can have classes that are more like personalized privates. And what all of that does, what that process does, is it really helps you shift from: Am I doing this right? Am I good enough? Can I really teach this? Who do I think I am? What if my clients get bored? To actually saying, "Oh, I understand the system. I can see what my client needs. I can make decisions at the moment. I trust myself as a teacher. I'm really great as a teacher. I don't need to worry about what they're doing over there because I know what I'm doing over here." And that shift is the entire point. We call it eLevate because I wanted to elevate your teaching, your practice, and most importantly, your connection to this method. So you know I don't believe in waiting until you feel ready before you act the person you want to become, and that's true here. Be It Till You See It, this podcast, everything, including eLevate. You don't build confidence by sitting still and going, "Oh, it's going to arrive. It's going to knock on the door. You build it through practice and feedback and messy action and trying again. eLevate gives you the room to be the teacher you're wanting to become before you fully feel like that person yet. It really is a space where you can be it till you see it. The teacher you're, oh, I wish I was like this. The person you admire. How can you act as if you're that person?


    Lesley Logan 18:01  

    You do that instead of eLevate. It's a container that helps hold you accountable to doing that over nine months and beyond. So if you have trained to be a teacher, you've done at least the Mat, Reformer, Cadillac, and Wunda chair, and you feel like something's missing in your practice. It feels like you are having some imposter syndrome that you are struggling to feel you're making the impact that you desire, and the reason why you became a teacher, eLevates for you. And what you can do is you can go to take a quiz. It's xxll.co/quiz, and that will actually help you understand if you should bridge into upLift or if you should do the eLevate training with me. I run it as I said a small group once a year, so we do have a wait list. You can go to xxll.co/elevate. You can find out if we have a space open for our next cohort or when the next cohort is going to have a space open. And something you should also know is that again, a lot of people are like, "Oh, I want to be an upLift educator right now as I record this. The only way to be an upLift educator is to have gone through eLevate. At some point, there might be a mini bridge for that, but in this time that I'm recording and this time that I'm creating everything, the eLevate grads are are the people that can be upLift educators, and it's just because I get to spend so much time with them, and I get to know them, and I can understand the type of educator they'd be. So until I can figure out a different path to that, that is how it goes. So if that's something you're wanting to do, then you definitely want to be doing eLevate. xxll.co/elevate. Thank you so much for letting me break down these two things that I am so passionate about: my teacher training program upLift, my mentorship program eLevate. They have a lot of similarities and but differences in who they are for, and the thing that they both provide is strong teachers who believe in what this method is capable of doing. We are so lucky to get to teach Pilates, and I am so grateful that I have two different ways to support people who are interested in having a career as a Pilates instructor and have longevity as a Pilates instructor, and more importantly, change people's lives. Everything I do is so there's more Pilates in bodies, like more bodies doing Pilates. I cannot teach all these people. Not everyone will like me being their teacher. So the more people who are teachers that I can mentor, and the more people who are wanting to become a teacher who can do upLift. That's a dozen to hundreds more teachers out there in this world who can teach clients in their community, and then that goal of mine of more bodies doing Pilates can be achieved as a communal effort. And and I really do mean I mean longevity in this career because what I would hate to see is someone spend thousands of dollars to become a Pilates instructor, and then burn out because they just felt like they weren't good enough. I don't want that. That's why all of it exists. So thank you so much. I cannot wait to hear which one of these programs is right for you or a friend of yours. If you have any questions, let me know. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.


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  • 748. Why I Finally Created upLift (When I Said I Never Would)

    Lesley Logan vowed she would never create a Pilates teacher training program, until a problem in the industry became impossible to ignore. In this episode of Be It Till You See It, she opens up about why she finally broke her own rule to build upLift. She breaks down how the program bridges the gap between manual-based choreography and teaching the real body in the room, and why a truly comprehensive education gives instructors endless career options, intuitive presence, and a way to ditch imposter syndrome for good.


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    I remember when I was a brand new teacher, my friend asked me to sub for her, and I said, "Oh, you know, can you tell me about her client?" And she said, "Oh, you know, she's got some asymmetries." Y'all, the person had one leg. My training didn't tell me what to do with someone with one leg, so on the fly, I had to figure it out.


    Lesley Logan 0:15  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:59  

    All right, Be It, babe. I said I would never do this for years. I, if you asked me if I was going to create a Pilates teacher training program years ago, I'd literally laughed at you. It was no, because also I had eLevate, and before I created eLevate, I had people asking me, "Aren't you going to create your own program?" I said, "Never. I would never. I've already done that." So you can remember, actually, in 2018, somebody, maybe it was 2019, somebody asked me, I was in my studio I remember, so it was before 2020. And she's, you just need, you should have a program. And I said, "Oh no, I was a teacher trainer before. I did that. You know, I'm on the next thing." And then when I created eLevate, as well, I'll never create a teacher training program because I have eLevate and I can just help people in eLevate. I can take the ones who are already certified, and that just felt like enough. And it wasn't enough. And today, I'm going to tell you why.


    Lesley Logan 1:44  

    So, it was really quite an unexpected beginning. Because here's the truth: I actually really have never, has not been on the vision board. I created a teacher training program for new teachers. People are partially trained. People who want to bridge, not once, not even a little bit. I have been so happy doing what I'm doing. My eLevate mentorship program, which I'll do another episode on with that, is so you have two to compare it by. You know, I was happy mentoring teachers through eLevate. It's been, it grows, it sells out two years in advance. So as far as upLift goes, it's not difficult, and it's also, so more importantly, it's the most fun thing to watch them get better at what they're already doing, and so, you know, in my head, like, that was the plan. This is what I'm going to do. This is my retirement project. I want to help teachers who are already certified, already trained, become the type of teacher that they really want to be. To ditch the imposter syndrome, to deepen the work that they're doing with their clients already. And I, I didn't just wake up one day and decide I'm going to build a 600-hour program called upLift. So that isn't the story that you're hearing. But truthfully, there was just a problem I couldn't ignore.


    Lesley Logan 2:51  

    So here's what kept happening: I had studio owners that I was coaching with Profitable Pilates who were struggling with the same thing that people who did eLevate were struggling with. We were struggling with the same things that people outside of both of my programs struggling with, which is finding good teachers. Over and over again, all I would hear is, I can't find comprehensively trained teachers. And, you know, I go on tour, I meet people that are going through trainings all the time, and what I kept hearing from them is, why didn't anyone ever tell me this? How come I didn't know that? I'm only able to do my program. I started this program, and then the person quit doing the program, or I moved, and I have to start over. And so, you know, I just felt like there's this hole, maybe not vacuum, but like a hole, that just needed to be dealt with.


    Lesley Logan 3:37  

    One of my eLevate teachers, she has her own studio, and she was actually running her own program. And she started telling me the exact same thing, but she came at it from a different angle. And this angle is kind of similar to the people who graduated from eLevate who got so busy teaching, so they got everything eLevate wanted. They wanted from eLevate. Now they're too busy, and they wanted to hire teachers, and they're struggling. But this person showed her own studio. I knew her from Profitable Pilates. She did eLevate, so I knew her from there. And she wanted to start a program so that she could teach people from the beginning what eLevate did. And she got through the program halfway through, and she just was, you know, it'd be really great if you could, you could help us out here because truthfully, so many programs that are going on out there, including the one that this person had licensed, they really are good at graduating teachers who know choreography inside and out. But when a real body walks through the door that has a different learning style or a different understanding or different background that doesn't fit the textbook, they kind of freeze or they get frustrated. They don't know really what to do, and it's not that they don't know how to teach. It's as they weren't taught how to work on the fly.


    Lesley Logan 4:56  

    Most programs and most studios are actually kind of requiring a pre-planned class, and so that flow looks good on paper. In fact, a lot of people are buying flows these days. That flow looks good on paper, but it doesn't work when a regular comes in with a broken arm or a consistent client brings their best friend who's never done Pilates before.


    Lesley Logan 5:19  

    So, you know, with the problems that the studio owners I coached for their business had, with the problem that eLevate created, which is amazing teachers who are super busy who needed teachers, and just teachers and studios in general needing comprehensively trained teachers who can handle real bodies, I really couldn't dodge the question anymore. I had to sit down and go, is this a problem I can actually solve? If you know me, you know I wasn't about to copy something that already existed. The world actually does not need another version of what's already out there, and I truly mean that. So, I have in a teacher trainer for a program. I have referred people to that program. I think it is really great, and I have done multiple programs. I've actually done three. Two of them were for becoming a teacher, and one was a mentorship program. And so, whenever I am looking at creating something, I really am thinking. Obviously, what I went through had pros and cons, and everything will, right? Everything will. Everything had pros and cons. But what did I like about that, and what didn't I like? And so, I really, when I was asked and propositioned, "Hey, what if you created a program? People know who you are. People want to study and learn with you. And what if we, those who have trained, can teach it? That'd be really great." And I was, okay, but I don't want to just create what exists out there. I don't want you just buying the same thing that you just bought from someone else, but it has my name on it. I'm a classical teacher, so the reality is some of the orders are the same, right? There's not so much variance. So if I was going to do this, and it's not something I'm just going to do in a weekend, this is going to be years of my life. This is, I had to really sit with. If I do this, this is not just, oh, a project that I do and I walk away from. This is part of my job for the rest of however long I'm doing my Pilates life, right? So that means years. I needed to create something that resonated with me, that lit my fire, that really felt something like I would fight for. Not something I was whelmed by, but overlywhelmed by how incredible this can change what is going on there. And it needed to solve the problems I've personally been watching happen.


    Lesley Logan 7:20  

    And if you're a teacher, listen this. You know what are happening. So, you know, after teaching thousands of clients and thousands of teachers at this point, what are teachers actually missing from their original programs? Because the reality is, is no first program is going to make anyone a master instructor. And also, by the way, you should never be able to tell yourself that you are a master teacher. That's something people say about you. But anyways, no one program can do that. That is just impossible for anyone to expect. But how could I make sure that the instructors were ready, right? So another question I was like, why are many new instructors completely overwhelmed the second they start teaching, or why do they feel like they can only teach groups, or why do they feel like they only teach privates? What is going on in the trainings that people feel like they're very siloed into something, and they don't have the confidence to try out the other thing. And what do I wish every single teacher understood before they ever step foot in front of a client? What do they really need to know? Because yes, people want to become Pilates instructors as fast as possible. These programs are an investment. Students need teachers two months ago, but how do we make sure that we give them information in a way that also allows them to teach a real client and not be memorized in a manual? I really, how do I make a program that isn't a bunch of people who sound like me, but sound like them teaching the work that I've been so lucky to have learned from the people that I've been so lucky to train under?


    Lesley Logan 8:40  

    So, with those questions, upLift kind of started from that. No business plan, but with a list of problems I couldn't stop thinking about because I have done eLevate for so long. I know what teachers are loving out of eLevate that they didn't get from their first programs because I travel the world teaching teachers of all backgrounds, of all styles, of all levels. What is it that they have been frustrated by? How do I make sure that that's solved in the first program? And then, what do clients actually need in a teacher? What are clients thinking that they need? But what are our clients actually needing? Right. And so that's kind of what I did. I really sat with that, and then I got even deeper. Right. I got really deep because it can't just be, I can't just pull from Pilates. Nothing that I do ever just pulls from the one thing. Joe Pilates didn't do that. He pulled from so many walks of life to bring his work together. So the truth is, is that the years of teaching really led me to put upLift together. While I only, you know, in the last couple of years sat with these questions, it's the years of teaching, the years of experience that have really helped me. So I think it's important that you know upLift wasn't an idea that hit me in the shower. As I already mentioned, I denied wanting, I denied doing it multiple times because it just was not that it wasn't the right time. I didn't have the right experience with the knowledge that I have, and the understanding, and the time to, you know, you know, when lightning in a bottle, everything has to come together, and so the these different things had to intersect, and that couldn't happen in 2018, that couldn't even happen in 2021, and that really couldn't even happen in 2023. It wasn't until after I finished my flashcards that I had the space in my brain to go, okay, what is next, right? So I have been lucky, you know, teaching thousands of classes and teaching all over the world in rooms of full of people who moved differently, thought differently, needed different things from me as a teacher. Learning from Jay Grimes, who taught me that Pilates is never about memorizing sequence, even though we do use orders.


    Lesley Logan 10:37  

    It was learning from every mentor who's really came before him, and, and, and, and in my life, I really thought, how do I put this together in a way that helps these people who will come through upLift, who want to become Pilates instructors, who have done partial trainings, or want to bridge into classical? How do we make sure that they're not just memorizing, but they actually get the gems and juice that Joe Pilates passed to Jay and Jay passed to me, and then the people in between have also given me and inspired me, so that we can keep Pilates in Pilates and have teachers start from the beginning with this information, not have to find it after years of being a teacher and kind of getting frustrated. Because here's the thing: Pilates is more than choreography, and that really is the thing that changed everything for me, and it's how I built this whole program around it. Because my first training program, you know, was based on exercise levels, and, you know, memorize all the different. I mean, you have to learn the names and the choreography and everything, of course. But it was really much: this is the beginner order, this is intermediate order, this is the advanced order, and, you know, you say it like this and do it like this, and it looks like this. And then I got to another program that also had levels, but didn't have a beginner 100 and advanced 100. They just had the 100, and so that shaved a lot and answered a lot for me. But it still felt like I was memorizing orders and memorizing exercises. And it wasn't until I got to Jay where it was, well, what do they need? What are they doing well? And then, you know, there is going to be ugly Pilates, but never dangerous. And how do we make sure that we're actually using Pilates to help them, not our words? Because Pilates is about understanding why exercise exists in the first place.


    Lesley Logan 12:16  

    As a teacher, not taking what you've memorized and putting that in the class, but what are we actually looking for as a client moves, and what does that client need? You know how do we how do we look at them today and go, how did that look yesterday, and ooh that's different than yesterday, good or bad. How do we do that? How do we be so present that we can teach the body that's actually in front of us and not the body from the manual, right? Most of the people we'll teach are not teachers. So how do we teach them they're the human that they are, who is deserving of our attention and our time and our thoughtfulness, and and bringing Pilates to them, not in a watered down fashion, but in a way that is accessible and achievable and supportive towards their goals. Because every single client who walks through that door is actually different, every single one, and if all you know is choreography or even orders, you're gonna freeze the moment that they're they don't match the script.


    Lesley Logan 13:09  

    I remember when I was a brand new teacher, my friend asked me to sub for her, and I said, "Oh, you know, can you tell me about her client?" And she said, "Oh, you know, she's got some asymmetries." Y'all, the person had one leg. My training didn't tell me what to do with someone with one leg, so on the fly I had to figure it out, and I'm grateful for that experience every single day because it really got me out of the textbook training that I was given. But what if I didn't have to have a freakout moment? What if I could have the confidence to go, tell me more about you? Right? I think one, that client would have had they had a great workout. I think they would have had a better workout. I think they would have wanted to work out with me again. You know, so, so I really want that for teachers because, you know, you don't become a Pilates instructor because you kind of like Pilates. You become a Pilates instructor because you love it.


    Lesley Logan 13:53  

    And I find some training programs can really take the fire out of someone because instead of it being about, you know, how are we empowering people to move their bodies and have and balance their imbalances and achieve these goals in their life, it becomes about what shouldn't they do? What should they do? You know, it treats people like robots, and they're just not. So, as I was curating what I was going to do, one of our past guests, Claire Sparrow, actually was, "Oh, have you read this book?" And I started going down a rabbit hole of what is the science of learning, because it's one thing to put together a program that teaches people Joe's intentions and orders. It's another thing to make sure they actually learn them. And I think this is what's also missing from most programs, but our education systems in general, which is actually how do people learn, not just kinesthetic, auditory, visual, blah blah blah. No, how do people actually retain the information? And this is why upLift is built the way that it is, not as an information dump, but as transformation. I really did build the material and the education hours around into being repetitive and, you know, just say it like I do. In fact, it's actually built on how retention actually happens. There's layered education. I can't give you the advanced stuff without you having a solid foundation. But also, how do we make sure you see the full big picture and that you see it as a system? It's been really radical and fun for me to curate that process, and because honestly, there's not a single program out there that's doing it the way that I'm doing it, and that's because few people know that there's a way that we can train you to learn and to take it from memorizing and repeating, parroting is another word, or narrating to teaching intuitively, even though you'll have new skills, so the intuition will still be new, but you'll have a bigger understanding, the bigger picture, so that you know we can actually progress people safely, but not just safely, but purposefully, right?


    Lesley Logan 15:55  

    So, what I'm really excited about is that because it's layered education built on a foundation that is solid, we can actually practically apply the information, and we don't just do it sitting in a classroom because that doesn't make you a teacher just sitting there memorizing. We actually do the work together, and there's this really fun hands-on experience. In fact, within the first couple hours of education, you are teaching each other, and I'm so proud of how that is designed. I'm really, really excited, and that's what helps with confidence because confidence is something you get from finishing a course. If it was, we wouldn't have imposter syndrome in this industry. Confidence is something that you get because you built up this knowledge over time. You did it. You did the reps. You got the feedback. You got the real understanding, and so you actually do feel ready. You know, what is confidence? It's feeling ready. And like I said, no one program can make you a master instructor, but your first program should certainly make you sure you feel ready, feel confident to teach this stuff, and that you understand it. And so that's the difference of what I was. How do I make sure that we're just not doing another classical teacher training program that looks a little bit like all the others, but is slightly different because it's my name and my branding. No, it needed to be different than what is out there because what is out there is not creating analytical present teachers. Unfortunately, it's taking a lot of great teachers' potential and watering them down into kind of, is our class full, and that's why we're losing teachers. That's why they're burning out because the focus isn't on, are they impacting people, but, you know, it's class full. So upLift is a comprehensive teacher training program for new teachers, partially trained teachers, and people who would like to bridge into classical, or maybe you train classically but you want to learn the way that I'm doing it. But it's truly for people first and foremost, you are brand new and you want to become a Pilates instructor because of the way a lot of programs are working out there.


    Lesley Logan 17:47  

    You may have done one or two trainings or some trainings, and so upLift is still for you. A comprehensive education actually gives you, as a teacher, options. So, without a comprehensive training, you will likely find yourself driving between five studios to try to piece together enough hours to make it work. This is what happens to a lot of people in a lot of cities. They are running around town. Think of it. I used to work at a gym, and the group fitness instructors who taught HIIT and spin and yoga and blah blah blah. They were only maybe working 20-ish hours a week, but they had to drive around town to six different studios, sometimes three studios in one day. So what a weird schedule that is, just to cobble this together. Whereas when you're a comprehensively trained teacher, you just have options. You can teach one-on-ones, semi-privates, and group classes. So hopefully, you can find yourself in a place where you can actually teach hours that are back to back, you know. If you only get trained on the mat, then you can only teach mat classes. There's only so many mat classes in a community that are at times that you're going to want to teach. No one wants to teach at 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. That's annoying. If you only have mat and Reformer, you're limited there. When you have a comprehensive training, you actually can teach in fully equipped studios, and you can teach in mat only and Reformer only. So you have these options to put together a career that works for you, to put together a schedule that fits your needs and your goals.


    Lesley Logan 19:08  

    You know, I truly believe that everyone's Pilates business can actually meet them where they are and where they want to grow if they are given the opportunity to have a comprehensive education. So this program isn't about just making sure you can teach more hours because some of you only want to teach five hours, some people want to teach 15 hours. This program is really designed so you can actually teach whatever hours you want, make the money you desire, but do it better, right? Do it impactfully, do it purposefully, do it present, and not overwhelm, and that's what I'm really excited about. So, what is a comprehensive training? Let me explain that to you. It means that while we teach things in modules of equipment, you cannot just pay for one of the modules. You cannot just take upLift Reformer or upLift Mat. You have to do the entire upLift program to do it, and because you're doing that. You're actually going to see the entire system work together. I'm very excited about how the student workbook allows you to be constantly learning about the mat, even when we're on the barrels, and that is the intentionality of how I put the program together, so that you see them as a system and not like, well, this is my barrels and this is this. So if you've never done a training, you don't know anything differently, so you won't know. But what I see out there, you do your mat one, your mat two, your mat three, your Reformer one, your Reformer two, one Reformer three, and so you only see things as in that piece of apparatus versus this is a full system. It was created together. There are exercises you can't do in Reformer three because you need Barrels, right? So we got rid of the levels. We got rid of the ability for you to just buy things piecemeal, and instead you are learning the full Pilates system in a way that allows you to dictate and choose and understand when someone is ready for another exercise. So I will be honest with you about something like this. This did not happen very fast. It probably feels fast to you because I wasn't very public about it, but I've been saying this idea for a really long time, and really getting as much information, and contemplating, and chewing on it, and swirling it around, and dreaming about it. You know, because before I did anything, I really did question whether I should be doing this. Does it need to be me? And brainstormed a lot and put some things together because it's so important to me.


    Lesley Logan 21:21  

    Since the day that I started managing studios, which was six months after I started teaching, I saw how sad and devastated it can be to tell someone interviewing for a job why I couldn't hire them because the training that they did was not good enough. That's why I wrote my book Profitable Pilates. By the way, I wrote that because I wanted to equip future teachers before they paid money, before they signed contracts, to understand truly what they were getting themselves into. So when I put this together, I was very thoughtful in that I am the person who has been telling people what questions to ask before they sign up for a program. So I need to make sure that if I'm going to do another program, it's going. It's because there is a hole, because there is a problem, you know. Yes, it's classical, and that's different than what a lot of people are doing. But there are other classical programs out there. So how is this going to be different? How is this going to make sure that it really does help, not just in theory but actual reality? How does this benefit not just the teachers who are going to take this program, but the studio owners who they're going to work for, but most importantly, the clients who are going to learn from them and take from them, and so upLift wasn't built quickly, but it was very much built on purpose and one decision at a time with lots of community outreach. Where I talked to a lot of different potential people who would either be teaching it or hiring people from it or doing it to make sure that I had their worries and concerns in mind because they have different ones than I do, and so we have beta tested this program as well. As I record this, I am leading the beta group, and so you might be hearing this when they've already graduated. But I wanted to make sure that this program would work before I took any educators' time and any students' time and money, I really needed to make sure. Okay, this is it. Looks really good, and I really believe in it, but is it really good? And I didn't want it just to be something on spreadsheets. It looked really good. I really wanted to be really good in real life, and so I actually put together a beta group to ensure that any type of person who might fall into the upLift program, I could see how their journey would go. So I have someone who is a comprehensively trained teacher doing this program. I have someone who has done a mat and Reformer training and a yoga training, but never a full comprehensive training in this program. I have someone who has taken classical Pilates for years doing this program, and I have someone who's been doing hot Pilates and contemporary Pilates for years, doing this program, and then I have someone who's done one class doing this program. So I wanted to make sure that the different ways people fall into a Pilates teacher training could be seen, and that all those people could be successful. Because if only the bridge person is successful, then I didn't create a teacher training program for new teachers. I created another mentorship program, and then I also have someone who's remote learning to see, is this something that someone could do if they aren't living near an actual cohort, and how does that look, and what would that be like? And then in the beta group, I also have three people I have trained sitting there watching it to see if what I'm seeing is what they're seeing. Are we seeing growth? Are we seeing them develop on their own in their skill sets? What are the hangups? What's going on? Is that where they should be at this time? A lot of brainstorming and working together so that it's not my opinions, but it is actually about very much a community-based program. So that when people start taking upLift, you know, in 2027 and beyond, we know that if you've only ever taken a megaformer class, this might be weird. It's going to be different, but you can be successful if this is what you want. And if you've taken years of training, you can be successful.


    Lesley Logan 24:58  

    And if you did someone else's program, you're not too confused. All of that stuff is so key. So it's really been a be it till you see it in action. If you think about it, and I just want to say, you don't wait for anything to be perfect before you start. You build, you listen, you improve, and then you build some more. And that's what we've been doing with this beta program. And the workbook is basically done at the time I'm recording this, but the changes that I'm still making will be ready for the cohorts, and it's because I did it with the ideas in mind, and then I let them use it, and I got to see, how are they using it? Oh, they're using it like that instead of like this. So instead of it being like this, I'm gonna rearrange it like that, and so that it can, by the time it gets to you, there's no such thing as perfect ever, but it is freaking great, and it will support those of you who are wanting to become a truly comprehensively trained teacher who understands that if Pilates has made it 100 years, how did it do that, and how do we make sure it stays continues for 100 years, right? And so, so it's been really fun. It's been really fun.


    Lesley Logan 25:59  

    So, bigger picture, here's what I want you to walk away with. One, if you're just excited about upLift and you're excited what I'm doing, and you're just here to support me and cheer me on, thank you, thank you for listening to this whole story. Thanks for listening to the whole journey. I really am grateful. If you are wanting to become a Pilates instructor, I want you to know that upLift is here to help you become a thoughtful, empathetic, present Pilates instructor who teaches not just what you should be doing, but why you should be doing it, understands the bigger picture for the clients and for the goals. Teachers who are curious from the outset, instead of just getting comfortable in repetition and having a script, teachers who actually can observe the body in front of them and can in real time adjust a session to make sure it's meeting that body's needs in real time, and then teachers who will keep learning long after they've trained because they're going to change all these clients' lives because of it. And you're and you're learning. By the way, when I say continue to learn, I feel like I learn every single time I teach, and that is because the curiosity I bring to every session, I learn every single time I teach, and that's what I want for upLift grads. And that's how I created the experience, how I created the workshops, how I created the homework. Everything is created, is done intentionally to enhance and support curiosity, and I'm really, really excited about that.


    Lesley Logan 27:28  

    So, if you are someone who is interested in being a Pilates instructor, this is for you. If you've done a partial training, upLift is for you. If you've done a comprehensive training, and you do not want to wait for eLevate, upLift is for you. upLift is in-person comprehensive training that really does prepare you for the real teaching world and allows you to have as many options as possible when it comes to teaching. You're not just a Reformer teacher, a mat teacher. You are a Pilates instructor who can adapt to wherever it is that you're going to grow. But for those who are comprehensively trained, you'll probably want to listen to the eLevate episode and then compare. We also have a quiz that you can take to see if you're an upLift student or you're an eLevate student. And I just want to say, upLift wasn't born to because I wanted to create a Pilates program. There are enough, as I said. It's born because of years of teaching people like you and the teachers that have gone through my program of observing what's going on out in the Pilates community and also in the spaces that I'm invited, listening to clients, listening to teachers, listening to studio owners, and asking better questions. Okay, how many people want to do in training? No. How do we make sure Pilates continues to impact the world? Right. How do we do that?


    Lesley Logan 28:56  

    How do we do that with new teachers and existing teachers? How do we do that? How do we make not just a goal achieve, but change the lives of everyone who is touched by upLift? Whether it's a client, a teacher, a studio owner, and upLift is created because when you actually understand Pilates, it's not just choreography, but the why underneath all of it. You actually stop teaching just exercises and you start teaching people, and that's the kind of teacher that we are building with upLift, and I really hope that if you are wanting to be that kind of teacher, that you join us. We have cohorts all over the world. You can actually see where our existing cohorts are. Our educators are on my website, and if you would like to get more information, see if upLift is right for you, take the quiz. Go to xxll.co/quiz, xxll.co/quiz. You can also go to xxll.co/uplift to get more information on the program and see where all of our educators are. And if you don't see an educator near you, know that there is in some cases a remote option for learning. There's some things we have to talk about, and I can help you see if that if you're a candidate for that. I can also let you know if we'll have an educator coming to your area soon or not.


    Lesley Logan 30:13  

    Our goal, like I said, is really to support those who truly desire to teach Pilates. You know, if that's what you want, upLift is for you. So thank you, my loves. Thank you for listening to me talk through how upLift was created, what it does, and something that I have not said is the actual logistics. And if Lesley, how many years, how long? All of that information is on our site, but so quick and dirty, It is 150 hours of education, 15 train-your-eye-meetings, 600 practical hours. So it is one of the most robust education programs that's out there. Most programs are about 450 practical hours. They actually put your education hours in those 450 hours, so you have less time learning from them. And I just think that's unfortunate. You really do need to be at a space where they actually do not count the education time in those practical hours, so that you have time with your mentor, your educator, and then time to practice and to take away a single practice hour is unfortunate because it does. There's a compoundingness that happens, and I'm very intentional about that, and I'm very excited. And so it's a nine-to-12-month program, depending on how many hours a week you can dedicate to your practical hours. But there is a way to get done in nine months, and if not 12, and by the way, most things take four years plus. Imagine where you'd be in less than a year if you do upLift. It'll happen faster than you think. So let me know if you have any questions. Feel free to reach out. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 31:43  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 32:26  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 32:31  

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 32:35  

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 32:42  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 32:46  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.



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    32m - Oct 20, 2026
  • 747. Get Stuff Off Your Head As Early As Possible

    Some months move so fast that staying grounded feels impossible. In this Fuck Yeah Friday, host Lesley Logan makes the case for creating space to be human together, even from the road in Cambodia. She shares the small tweak to her morning pages that clears the head clutter before her second block, why Dolly Parton's legacy of unconditional generosity keeps inspiring her, and the mantra she's carrying into the weekend.


    If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co.

     

    And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.


    In this episode you will learn about:

    • Finding gratitude in a wild month of nonstop travel.
    • What Dolly Parton's generosity models for the rest of us.
    • Turning morning pages into a walk that beats morning anxiety.
    • A win that proves consistency and community impact pays off.
    • Carrying a weekend mantra of infinite compassion.


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    It's Fuck Yeah Friday.


    Brad Crowell 0:01  

    Fuck yeah!


    Lesley Logan 0:02  

    Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:48  

    Hey, Be It babe. How are you? Happy middle of October. I am in Cambodia, and I am. I think I'm about to start my retreat. I just know that I am. Yes, I'm starting my retreat in a couple of days. Oh my lanta, my goodness! This month is wild. I've started it in Vegas, then the next week I was in Sacramento. Now I'm in Cambodia. I'll be in Cambodia for the next FYF, and then I will be home. And I'm only home for a couple of weeks before it's China and it's India and it's just a lot to be grateful for.


    Lesley Logan 1:20  

    But first, happy Fuck Yeah Friday! This is where we get to be humans together. We get to celebrate what you are doing, what's inspired you, what's going on in your life, and a little win of mine and a little mantra. And then you get on your way. I hope you're loving the solo episodes we've been doing. If there's any topics you want me to be hitting or some guests that you would like me to be reaching out to, please go to the beitpod.com/questions. It's a catch-all for your wins, your suggestions, and things like that. So yeah. So, anyways, before I get into my win, I get to take a moment to share what I've had with what I'm a little bit tired of, and I wanted to say I'm recording this after all the fucking most amazing people are dying. All the most amazing people are fucking dying, and the shitty people are not, or we're being told they're not dead, but I know they're dead, and it's just really annoying. It's really annoying, and I'm just why are all the good ones going? Why does it always happen like that? You know, so I'm just sad about it because I mean that's beautiful. As I got to relive some of the things about those people, I'm going to hear more of their stories. I didn't know. I'm talking about specifically about Dolly Parton. I listened to really great episode about her whole life, and of course, I knew a lot of things. I didn't know everything. And what a generous, amazing woman she could have been a billionaire, and she did not die that way. She died as someone who just generously gave without questions, and I just love that so fucking much. And I just, you know, I have a sticker in my office that says, "What would Dolly do? And I just really think that we need to all be thinking like that. But anyway, other good people are dying too, and you know. So I'm just mad because I wish assholes were.


    Lesley Logan 2:52  

    Anyways, my win, since you listened to me vent, I restarted my morning pages. I have been up down, up down with my morning pages, and I really truly love them. If you haven't read the Artist Way, it's really great. My friend Claire and I decided to read Julia Cameron's second book, and she's got these creative walks, and she has tools you need morning pages. Oh, the morning pages are so hard for me. The reason I'm tormented with them is because I live somewhere where it's very climatic. In the summers, you just want to get it's not going to get any cooler the later you wait to go on your walk, so you just keep going out earlier and earlier, and so I do them in the winter, in the fall, in the spring, but not the summer, and you know that's just frustrating.


    Lesley Logan 3:26  

    So I found a way to do my morning pages every morning on my walks, and I'm so proud of myself, and I'm really loving it because all the anxiety that I wake up with is gone within two blocks of my walk, and I can just get it out in my head, and then if I have action steps, I can see that. But it's not about being action-oriented; it's just dusting the curtains, you know, hitting the rug, getting things out of the, getting things off my mind, so I can focus on what's so important. So I'm really, really excited about that, and it's been really, really wonderful. And I would just say, in this the year of our Lord, 2026. Find a way to do your morning pages. Find a way to get stuff off your head as early as possible in your life.


    Lesley Logan 4:06  

    Okay, now a win of yours, @pilatesandrea, "Had an amazing Teacher Lab yesterday, and my weekly schedule is consistently full." Well, that's because you're amazing, @pilatesandrea. You are amazing, and your stickers are also so fucking wonderful. I love them so much, and they were such a huge hit on the tour. So thank you for being so generous with them, and thank you for sharing this amazing win. I mean, your schedule is full, because the impact you have on people is just so beautiful. So I'm so grateful to call you a friend. So that's it. Send your wins in, my loves, to beitpod.com/questions. You can hear your win when you need it.


    Lesley Logan 4:40  

    And here is your mantra for the weekend. I am worthy of infinite compassion. I am worthy of infinite compassion. Be It, babe, you are worthy of infinite compassion. Until next time, go Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 4:55  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 5:37  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 5:42  

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 5:47  

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 5:54  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 5:57  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.



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    6m - Oct 16, 2026
  • 746. Perfection Is the Simple Fear of Not Being Enough

    Are you constantly working against your own goals, or is your brain just trying to keep you safe? In this episode of Be It Till You See It, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down their top takeaways from high-performance coach Brad Bizjack. They unpack why perfectionism is a deeply embedded identity rather than a bad habit, challenge the myth of self-sabotage, and reveal what burnout is actually a sign of. Lesley and Brad share how swapping your daily to-do list for result-driven targets and practicing daily self-celebration can rewire your subconscious identity to unlock alignment-driven success.


    If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co.

     

    And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.


    In this episode you will learn about:

    • The importance of not waiting to prioritize your mental health.
    • Why perfectionism is embedded in your subconscious identity.
    • The reframe of perfectionism as a fixed identity, not a habit.
    • What burnout actually reveals about living out of alignment.
    • The reason self-sabotage is physically impossible for your brain.


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    Perfection is simply the fear that I'm not enough. But if you're priming yourself to celebrate all the things that you are doing and you and who you are as a person, you're gonna realize you're fucking enough.


    Lesley Logan 0:11  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:54  

    Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap of my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the elevating convo I have with Brad Bizjack. I mean, you just think that there are other words for Brad. He is on a different whole vibe. 


    Brad Crowell 1:07  

    I was gonna say plane, so maybe elevating does work. 


    Lesley Logan 1:10  

    Elevating, he's in a different sphere. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you will want to listen to it after you listen to this for sure, or you're gonna want to join his amazing program. You can sign up right now for free this week because I do it every year. It's just so fun. His, it's just his, it's just amazing.


    Lesley Logan 1:28  

    So today is, we'll get into that later, but today is October 15th, and it's the International Day of Rural Women. International Day of Rural Women champions the essential contributions of women in agriculture and rural development every October 15th. This day recognizes their tireless work in food security, economic stability, and environmental sustainability. Join global efforts to empower rural women, advocate for their rights, and support initiatives that foster growth and well-being. It focuses on advocacy and support rather than commercial deals. Organizations like UN Women, the Food Agriculture Organization (FAO), and Heifer?


    Brad Crowell 2:05  

    Heifer.


    Lesley Logan 2:06  

    Heifer. No way.


    Brad Crowell 2:07  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 2:08  

    No way. It's Heifer International.


    Brad Crowell 2:10  

    It is. I donate to them.


    Lesley Logan 2:12  

    You do?


    Brad Crowell 2:13  

    Yeah, have been for a very long time.


    Lesley Logan 2:15  

    Okay. Well, how did you find out about them?


    Brad Crowell 2:18  

    You know, I started talking to some people.


    Lesley Logan 2:19  

    All right. Often launched fundraising campaigns and awareness drives. So contact any one of them if you want to support women like this. That's really cool. You know, you'd be surprised how rural women everywhere are making this entire universe go around. The clothes you wear, the food you eat, the things you buy, they are often, you know, like there's just so much that is being in there. They need our support. We do go to Cambodia a lot, and one of the things that women there in the rural area needs, if they're not educated, they don't really have resources for if they're in a terrible situation. So it's really important that you, if you have time, and if you don't have time, if you have money, and if you don't have money, if you have friends, that you find something, a cause like this that can motivate you to share it in a way that is accessible to you, because this is how we this is how we make the world a better place.


    Lesley Logan 3:12  

    All right, so upLift. Oh my God, you guys! If you're on the wait list for students, you know where we are starting our first cohorts for upLift, my Pilates teacher training program for new teachers. If you're not, you probably don't know, and I can't tell you now because we are in the future. We are in the past, and we can't tell you in this moment.


    Lesley Logan 3:35  

    We're in both, the future and the past.


    Lesley Logan 3:37  

    We are. 


    Brad Crowell 3:38  

    Wrap your head around that. 


    Lesley Logan 3:39  

    We are in the future in this moment for ourselves. But while you listen to this, we are in the past. And so, if you or someone you know wants to become a Pilates instructor, then I want you to go to xxll.co/uws, and we will let you know where our cohorts are and where you can do it, even in person. There's a few people who are doing remote learning options, and so I'm just so excited about this program, aren't you, Brad? I'm excited.


    Brad Crowell 4:01  

    I think it's going to change Pilates.


    Lesley Logan 4:03  

    We're changing the industry. I think so.


    Brad Crowell 4:05  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 4:06  

    I think so. I think so. There was just on Beyond Your Reformer. She just put a compilation together of all these people saying what is wrong with teacher training programs and upLift literally solves all those problems, just inherently.


    Brad Crowell 4:17  

    We, I would love to see that. I know that'd be really cool.


    Lesley Logan 4:20  

    I know. I should give that to you.


    Brad Crowell 4:21  

    Yeah, you should give that to me.


    Lesley Logan 4:23  

    Let's make a note. Let's make a note. We won't know what that says in a second. Okay. 


    Brad Crowell 4:28  

    All good. if you're here.


    Lesley Logan 4:29  

    And you're new.


    Brad Crowell 4:30  

    And you're new


    Lesley Logan 4:31  

    or not


    Brad Crowell 4:31  

    or not or you're old.


    Lesley Logan 4:34  

    Well, don't call our listeners old.


    Brad Crowell 4:35  

    Don't forget to check out our Pilates flashcards. Go over to OPC.me/flashcards, where every single purchase supports the Nevada SPCA.


    Lesley Logan 4:44  

    I was just there.


    Brad Crowell 4:45  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 4:46  

    I dropped off some jewelry for their jewelry show. I convinced them to let me go upstairs and organize all of the jewelry for the next show with all the free time I have. But I just, I know that it's, I just want to help you make more money, and I just want to merchandise it better. I'm so excited. So if you're in Las Vegas in November, there is a jewelry show, and we're talking everything is like selling for $3 and $10 because they won't let me price it, but it will be merchandised by me. Okay, if you want our posters, you can go pick them up at OPC.me/posters. They print where you are, so the shipping is not terrible. Next month, I am in China, you guys. I actually have, I think I have a link for you. Hold on.


    Brad Crowell 5:25  

    We have a link for the China Summit?


    Lesley Logan 5:27  

    I just saw who I'm teaching with. Yes, we do have a link. We do have a link. Hold on. I was just on it, and then my phone reset. Here we go. cpisummit.com. Yes, you can launch it. You can read it in English or Mandarin. I just saw the teachers who are there, and it's me


    Brad Crowell 5:46  

    Pulse it up


    Lesley Logan 5:46  

    and a few friends. So come, it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm going to have a I'm going to have a great time. It's my first time in China. Well, not my first time in China, but my first time teaching in China.


    Brad Crowell 5:56  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 5:56  

    Yeah. So come, and then I'm going to be in Goa. You definitely want to do that. So if you are looking for an excuse to get a travel write-off this year, then go to xxll.co/pot to pick your spot for Goa. It is a limited-spot event because you actually go for the whole weekend. It's like a resort in Goa. Have you looked at pictures in Goa? Even if you're not going to come, look up Goa, India, because you're going to be so jealous of everyone who is going with me. And then our winter tour is announced. 


    Brad Crowell 6:30  

    Yes, it's the 15th. So it's been up for two weeks, and y'all tickets are going fast.


    Lesley Logan 6:35  

    Yes, and we're in the past and future at the same time, as you already heard. So I can't tell you where we're going yet. No, we cannot. 


    Brad Crowell 6:43  

    But here's what we can tell you: we can tell you that we're going from Las Vegas to Boston, to Miami.


    Lesley Logan 6:49  

    Yeah.


    Brad Crowell 6:49  

    And back to LV.


    Lesley Logan 6:51  

    So if you're somewhere on that route,


    Brad Crowell 6:52  

    Stuck on LA.


    Lesley Logan 6:54  

    I don't know. Yeah, so go. 


    Brad Crowell 6:55  

    So we've been six years.


    Lesley Logan 6:56  

    We've been six years. Go to opc.me/tour to see where we're actually going because we are currently in Cambodia and we have no idea. That's right. 


    Brad Crowell 7:03  

    We are currently in Cambodia right now because we're hosting our annual retreat there, and we want you to join us next year. There are limited number of seats, y'all. So go to get yourself on the wait list. Go to crowsnestreets.com crowsnestretreats.com. Add yourself to the wait list and come join us next year. We will be opening the doors for that in January, so make sure you're on the list. Do not wait; it will sell out. Last year it sold out in three weeks. This year, it's going to sell out faster.


    Lesley Logan 7:30  

    Not only does it sell out in three weeks. But zero people gave up their spots, so there wasn't anyone from the wait-wait list. So you you just want to be ready. It's going to be (inaudible). 


    Brad Crowell 7:39  

    We often have people bump or drop, and this time no, everyone is coming and very excited about that. It's going to be an epic trip. Actually, it's happening right now. It is an epic trip. 


    Lesley Logan 7:49  

    It's an epic trip. We're in it. We're having the best time. 


    Brad Crowell 7:52  

    We are in it. Let's do this.


    Lesley Logan 7:54  

    All right, I'm going to get into our charity of the week. So, who are we talking? Who are we highlighting today?


    Brad Crowell 7:59  

    Okay, the 10th is World Mental Health Day today, I know is the 15th, but the 10th was World Mental Health Day, and the charity we wanted to highlight for this week is Mental Health America. MHA is the oldest mental health nonprofit in the country. They've been at this since 1909.


    Lesley Logan 8:14  

    What we had mental health support in 1909.


    Brad Crowell 8:18  

    1909.


    Lesley Logan 8:18  

    That's when you guys they were calling women hysterical as a disease. Okay. Well, I'm grateful for the person who was so progressive in 1909. 


    Brad Crowell 8:26  

    Well, here's what we love about MHA. Their whole approach is built around the idea that you shouldn't have to wait until you're in crisis to pay attention to your mental health. They call it before stage four. The same way you wouldn't wait until cancer is stage four to go to the doctor. You shouldn't wait until your mental health is at a breaking point to do something about it. They offer free online screening tools at their website where you can take a confidential self-assessment for things such as depression, anxiety, PTSD, and more. Millions of people use these every single year. They also run over 140 affiliates across the country providing direct support, education, and advocacy. 


    Lesley Logan 9:03  

    This is incredible.


    Brad Crowell 9:04  

    It's pretty amazing. I was reading this, thinking this is amazing. They've earned a four-star Charity Navigator rating, and they've been accredited by the BBB Wise Giving Alliance. If you want to check it, check in on yourself or someone you care about, go to mhanational.org. 


    Lesley Logan 9:22  

    This would have been really helpful a couple years ago with a family member.


    Brad Crowell 9:25  

    Yeah, well, it was available. We just didn't know, so that's why we're doing exactly this, highlighting these charities. Go to mhanational.org and take a free screening yourself. It only takes a few minutes, and it might be the most important few minutes you spend this week.


    Lesley Logan 9:39  

    That is why I kind of like this little segment that we do. I'm sure people wonder why we do it, but the reality is, is that I will never forget one of our first guests we ever had on this podcast. She was such a charity advocate. She was someone who donated a lot of her time on different things, and she had the money, so she was part of a lot of them. And I just, but what if you don't have the money? But well, you have time, and if you don't have time, you have friends. And I have a hobby with a charity because I needed one, and it's working out really, really well. But a lot of charities they do, I guess they need money, but they also just need awareness


    Brad Crowell 10:11  

    yeah


    Lesley Logan 10:11  

    to keep going because it could be that you have you might not have the time or the money to support them, but you might have a friend who needs them, and then you or you might have a friend who is sitting on a inheritance they don't know what to do with it. So you know, I think this is really never know, never know. I mean, hey, we're two dinks. You know, where's my money going? So whatever I can't take with me has got to go somewhere. So I hope that this helps you. 


    Brad Crowell 10:34  

    Just dinking around.


    Lesley Logan 10:35  

    I hope that this either helps you with advocacy that you're wanting to do, or at least supporting your friends who might need something. Because I have an episode coming up with a psychologist, and it is very difficult to get help when you need it. I had no idea about this. This is really cool. Yeah, MHA. Because also, are you? I was talking to one of my girlfriends today. She's, "Lesley, I couldn't decide if it was if I was having anxiety, if I was depressed, or if it was perimenopause." This quiz could have helped. 


    Brad Crowell 11:02  

    This quiz could have helped.


    Lesley Logan 11:03  

    Anyways, all right. Well, I love this. I hope you guys like it too. If you have any recommendations of charities you'd like us to highlight, please send it to beitpod.com/questions, or you can text us to 310-905-5534.


    Brad Crowell 11:14  

    Yeah, and I just wanted to take a quick second before we go on. If the show gives you something every single week, here's how you can give back. Come join us at onlinepilatesclasses.com. It's what funds this podcast, and it's Pilates for everybody, mat through full apparatus with weekly form feedback from real teachers. So you're never practicing alone.


    Lesley Logan 11:35  

    Yeah.


    Brad Crowell 11:35  

    Go to onlinepilatesclasses.com.


    Lesley Logan 11:37  

    We're pretty amazing.


    Brad Crowell 11:38  

    Yeah. Come join the community. It's gonna be awesome. All right, so let's jump into it. Let's talk about Mr. Brad Bizjack. 


    Lesley Logan 11:46  

    We love Brad.


    Brad Crowell 11:48  

    Every time I listen to him speak, I'm just floored. And not only is he very eloquent in what he says, actually, his eloquence allows him to talk about challenging topics in such a kind way that it amazes me.


    Lesley Logan 12:04  

    In a way that also challenges you, because sometimes he has said some things around. Oh, but he says it in a way you're like, yes.


    Brad Crowell 12:11  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 12:11  

    But you know, when people say, "I don't know, what (inaudible). You're right. And then he tells an amazing story. I do know. I probably do know. So I just, I'm obsessed. I feel like he's an annual guest. 


    Brad Crowell 12:21  

    Every time I listen, I'm amazed. So Brad Bizjack is a personal development expert and certified high-performance coach dedicated to helping high achievers unlock deep alignment-driven success. Rejecting the classic trap of have-do-be psychology, Brad teaches a powerful be-do-have model that reprograms the limiting beliefs and toxic thought patterns, operating in the blind spots of our own minds. Having trained over 80,000 people globally, 80,000, he specializes in


    Lesley Logan 12:54  

    He's in states with less people.


    Brad Crowell 12:57  

    Yeah, he specializes in transforming high-level ethereal mindset concepts into strategic daily practices, right? And I think that's, that's part of it too. The eloquence is he makes it seem so accessible instead of this, "Well, just feel better about yourself" crap. He actually makes it tangible and relatable.


    Lesley Logan 13:15  

    I couldn't agree more. And his be-do-have is literally be it till you see it.


    Brad Crowell 13:20  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 13:20  

    In a better way.


    Brad Crowell 13:21  

    He did say that it's something he learned, it wasn't something he came up with, but it is so aligned with the Be It Pod.


    Lesley Logan 13:28  

    Yeah, well, and I will be, I will apologize, everyone. We were supposed to talk about this last year, but I got distracted about something else, and then we ran out of time. So I was, can you come back on and do the be-do-have because it's so good, and he's also amazing. Because if you are an OPC member or an Agency member or an eLevate member, then you got invited to a special free webinar that we had last week with Brad. So just saying. You got that freebie. Here's the deal, we talk about perfectionism, and he said. 


    Brad Crowell 13:57  

    Well, before before you move on.


    Lesley Logan 13:59  

    What?


    Brad Crowell 13:59  

    I just want to throw out there he is having a free event next week.


    Lesley Logan 14:03  

    Yes, he only does it once a year.


    Brad Crowell 14:05  

    Lesley and I mentioned it at the beginning of this podcast. It's called Rewired, and it's five day mindset challenge that he hosts every year in October. So if you go to xxll.co/bizjack, xxll.co/bizjack, b-i-z-j-a-c-k, you can sign up, and we really encourage you to do it. Lesley and I have done it multiple years running now.


    Lesley Logan 14:25  

    Oh yeah, we love it. Also, because when we're back from Cambodia, and so Brad is on Hong Kong time, so he's up with me, and I'm here. Put this in your ear.


    Brad Crowell 14:33  

    This Brad is on Hong Kong.


    Lesley Logan 14:34  

    Yeah, this Brad is on Hong Kong time, and that Brad is on his regular time. But anyways, it's, you will be lightened up, and there are replays. So, but he doesn't. It's, it's a container, and he only does it once a year. That's it. He, I don't know why he doesn't do it more, but he doesn't have time, and he is. This is it. So you're gonna do it, and it's free.


    Brad Crowell 14:51  

    Hop on it.


    Lesley Logan 14:51  

    Okay. So he said, and I love this. He said, "Perfection is just a way of being." He explained that perfectionism isn't just a bad habit or a temporary behavior. It's embedded deeply into our subconscious identity. When we try to fix it by changing our outward behavior without changing who we are being, the change fails, and then we falsely call it self-sabotage. And he said self-sabotage is physically impossible because your brain's sole job is to survive, so it cannot do that. It cannot fuck you up because the robots have not taken over us yet, and it protects you from threats and pain. And therefore, your brain would never intentionally destroy the very host it is designed to protect. So I really love this because we do have a lot of perfectionists who listen to this podcast. We have recovering perfectionists on this podcast, and I know from many of the people that we get to talk to on our tours and in our memberships, they think that they are causing themselves to sabotage something they want to do. But really, it is just because they haven't changed the inside; they've only changed the outside. It's like you dyed your hair and expected yourself to be different, but you're just, you just have different color hair now. You have to actually do something internally to change.


    Brad Crowell 16:07  

    I did think it was interesting that he said, you know, his controversial claim that self-sabotage is impossible because obviously we've heard so much about self-sabotage and sometimes I feel like I've even seen it in action, but the idea that the brain is there to protect us and it will not let us do something.


    Lesley Logan 16:28  

    Can you think about a time where you say you sabotaged yourself? Because I can think of times where I thought I was sabotaging myself, and if I look back in all honesty, I did those things because I didn't feel deserving of what, if I hadn't done that, what my life would have been like, or what I would have gained. I do think people self-sabotage in air quotes because he doesn't believe it's real. Where they self-sabotage is because they actually do not feel deserving of the life that they're trying to create, or they feel scared. It's on a subconscious thing, or they're afraid they're going to lose friends and things like that. I really do think that people, it's a, it's more self-conscious, subconscious, that they do it, they make those decisions because they're, they don't want to lose what they know.


    Brad Crowell 17:16  

    Yeah, and somewhere in there, that losing what they, what they know is safer, quote unquote, than what they don't know.


    Lesley Logan 17:22  

    Well, the devil you know is safer than the devil you don't know, to you.


    Brad Crowell 17:26  

    Yeah, but it just is an interesting idea, and I'm, you know, I don't know enough psychology to really understand it. But I, I guess the logic is there. 


    Lesley Logan 17:35  

    The logic, well, the logic is there, and I do think though that. 


    Brad Crowell 17:38  

    Unless it's an intentional sacrifice, but that's not really what we're doing in self-sabotage mode.


    Lesley Logan 17:44  

    I also think that when people self-sabotage, it's because they actually never set themselves up for success in the first place. So they then just do the other thing. You know, most people I hate talking about diets, but diets is an easy place, right? People, we've had Jenny Shatzel on, and she her first episode, she talks about how on Monday she and her mom and her sister would go on a diet, and then by Saturday they binge out all weekend. And then on Monday, well, they're doing that because they actually were depleting themselves of actual food. They didn't diet in a way that was sustainable in the first place. So of course, the only thing they have to do is sabotage themselves because their body and brain are hungry, but if they actually were able to set themselves up for success by choosing to not do drastic dieting, but intentional, thoughtful eating, meal prepping, talking with professionals who could understand what they're going through, if they have a food addiction, what's going on, you know, then it's harder to self-sabotage. You can't. We have friends who are doing that right now, who the sabotage is not available to them, you know. So because they were prepped for it and they've had a long time, so I just think that a lot of times people sabotage themselves because they didn't prepare for the changes they wanted to make at all. They just did the outside change.


    Brad Crowell 18:54  

    Yeah, I just want to go back to the first thing you said. The perfectionism is just a way of being. It was interesting because you know you had mentioned to him, "Oh yes, you know, I'm a recovering perfectionist, and he said, "These are the stories that we tell ourselves. He said you didn't come out of the womb a perfectionist, but somewhere. 


    Lesley Logan 19:11  

    No, I was two weeks late. 


    Brad Crowell 19:13  

    That's funny, but somewhere along the the line here, you decided I am a perfectionist, right? And he said he said something so fucking powerful, and I can't remember exactly what it was. So you got to go back and listen. But he said if you go back and you trace perfectionism back, it's a safety mechanism to most likely something that happened in your childhood.


    Lesley Logan 19:36  

    Oh, 1000% I can tell you guys, but my family listens to this podcast, so we'll just do that on another day. 


    Brad Crowell 19:42  

    Well, but then we've decided that the safe route of doing, you know, of being was to be perfect, whatever the perfect definition is for you. And then now today, decades later, we're still, you know, attributing. Not only are we, we're still hanging on to that decision that we made as a child-that perfect is safe, right? And so we try to control everything and all this stuff. And he said it's just a way of being. It's not, it doesn't have to be.


    Lesley Logan 20:11  

    Yeah.


    Brad Crowell 20:12  

    And I thought that was really interesting. But he also reframes burnout as one of the most beautiful things that could ever happen in your life, and that made me laugh out loud. And I was like, "Wow, that's so true."


    Lesley Logan 20:22  

    I love that. I agree. Every time I've had a burnout, it's like a rock bottom, and I've always come out of it on the other side better. But go ahead.


    Brad Crowell 20:29  

    Yeah, I mean, it doesn't have to be a rock bottom in like self-destruction mode, but burnout is you know you just come to the conclusion you just can't do it this way anymore because you're fried, whatever it might be, and he said this is an indication that your soul is finally getting involved. And he clarified that burnout has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of hours that you work. I mean, think about it. Some people work like 80 hours a week. How can they do that and not be burned out? He said, instead, what is actually is happening is it's a it's a clear indication that you're not listening to what your heart really needs, because the amount of hours that you're spending out of alignment is too much.


    Lesley Logan 21:09  

    Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. I just had a catch up call with a girlfriend. You've been so busy, and I was, oh, I know it's a busy season. I feel really great though, and she's you do, and I'm like, oh yeah, I'm not in burnout because one, I knew the season was going to be busy. I planned for it. I took things off my plate. I haven't been a great friend to all of my friends, but also I haven't been a bad one either. It's because I'm I'm excited about what I'm doing, so the workload isn't the problem, right? So I think that's where it's really important. I think a lot of people attribute the number of hours they commit to something that could lead to burnout, and it's really no, it's the alignment that are you in alignment with what you want to be doing, and if you're not, then yeah, you're gonna fucking burn out.


    Brad Crowell 21:50  

    It's gonna burn out. It's gonna burn out. Well, anyway, like I said, he's badass. You should definitely go back and listen.


    Lesley Logan 21:56  

    Listen, and if you don't want to do that, or you don't have the time, and you're already sold, go do his thing.


    Brad Crowell 22:02  

    Yeah, starts next week. I think. Yeah, next week. So stick around. We'll be right back because not only that, he had something very controversial for his Be It Action Items.


    Lesley Logan 22:11  

    I think he likes that.


    Brad Crowell 22:13  

    We will be right back.


    Brad Crowell 22:15  

    Welcome back. Finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Mr. Brad Bizjack? He challenged us to stop making a to-do list.


    Lesley Logan 22:30  

    I love this so much, and I haven't made a to-do list since. Have not.


    Brad Crowell 22:36  

    I think that's amazing.


    Lesley Logan 22:36  

    My bot will go. Here are some things to focus on today. That's right. We don't do what you do. Thank you.


    Brad Crowell 22:41  

     Yeah, he explained that checking off urgent boxes can leave you feeling empty, whereas focusing on what is important for you to accomplish that day brings fulfillment. So rather, he advises us to switch to a daily question from "What do I need to do today? to "What result do I want from today? So that every single action that you take actually becomes targeted. What result do I want from today? Once you've identified what you are after and why, you can reverse engineer a list strategically from that outcome, as opposed to the to-do list. And here's why. This is really interesting. That is effectively project management. What he just said. What outcome do I want from today? I want blah blah blah. I want three new clients today. Okay, cool. How am I going to get three new clients? Bang bang bang. Work in reverse. As opposed to here's my to do list. What happens on the to do list? Every single thing on the to do list has the same priority level. So your dreams have the same priority level as emptying the dishwasher.


    Lesley Logan 23:42  

    Yes, yes.


    Brad Crowell 23:43  

    And this just doesn't work. So I I found this really it made me laugh again out loud. And he said when you look at it this way, it's giving you a strategic list that helps find the items that that you've been procrastinating on the most and executing that one thing and only that one thing.


    Lesley Logan 24:02  

    And by the way, most of the time that you actually do the thing that you've been procrastinating on takes like seven minutes. I watch this woman.


    Brad Crowell 24:11  

    That's insane. It's always it's just such a mental mountain. And then when you actually do it, oh, that was it.


    Lesley Logan 24:16  

    I know Kate and Mary Swick. They've been on the podcast before. They brought up something, and Kate's yeah, I've been procrastinating on this one thing because I oh I want to clean up my closet, and I've been procrastinating, procrastinating, and finally just did it, and I just timed myself to see how long does it take me to do. She said it took her 11 minutes. Took her 11 minutes because then she got in there. Oh da da da, this goes over here, this goes over here, da da da. That's done. 11 minutes. Just I have been putting that off for more than 11 minutes of my time. I moved it more than 11 minutes of time, and I watched this other woman who does those hoarding cleanups. And people, she's you guys are really obsessed with how long it takes me, and so she's so this is how I do it. Here's a timer, and she showed us, I'm not kidding, Brad. It looks like a how are you going to get through that? And took six minutes. It took three minutes. It took two minutes, and what? But we make we build it up in our head, and you're right. We put the same, our brain puts the same urgency on dishwasher versus your dream goal. Yeah, you know. So yeah.


    Brad Crowell 25:12  

    Pretty interesting. What about you?


    Lesley Logan 25:14  

    Worth equals love over time, particularly the love you give yourself actively, is what he said. And the greatest act of love towards yourself is self-celebration. Hello. 


    Brad Crowell 25:24  

    Be It Action Item. 


    Lesley Logan 25:25  

    What the fuck have we been doing here every Friday? And it's soon to be on Thursdays.


    Brad Crowell 25:30  

    Oh.


    Lesley Logan 25:31  

    You'll hear about that probably next month. Don't worry, the Fuck Yeah isn't going anywhere. It's just moving off of a Friday. So he advised to celebrate three specific things daily. I love this. For those of you who need a rubric, here you go.


    Brad Crowell 25:45  

    Here you go.


    Lesley Logan 25:45  

    What actions you took today? Celebrate that. How you added value to the world? Celebrate that. And who you are as a person, and you have to celebrate that. And you guys need to be nicer to yourself. You know what? What actions I took today? I got a mammogram, and I am celebrating that because I'm going to tell you right now that was a fucking chore. Everyone in the world is involved with how long that took me to get, and how I did add value to the world. I cleaned out my jewelry closet and I gave it to the SPCA, and then I went and checked all the employees there that I know to make sure that they had all the support and love that they needed from me. And who am I as a person? Well, clearly very generous. Fuck yeah! So I think, and then you said this practice primes the subconscious to have a bias towards action and contribution. And oh my God, in your rewired program you're gonna do next week, you're gonna learn about why those things are really important towards your serve the what you want to do in this world? All of us want to have action and contribution, but we don't really know how. And so, this is priming your subconscious to have a bias towards that. And as your perception of worth increases, your tendency to go into perfection dissipates, and that is so true because perfection is simply the fear that I'm not enough. But if you're priming yourself to celebrate all the things that you are doing and who you are as a person, you're gonna realize you're fucking enough. You have the mantras on your walls. I know you have these posts. I see the things you you share. I'm enough. You're enough. We're all enough. But you don't really believe it because you're not priming your subconscious to do it. So xxll.co/bizjack to go get yourself rewired.


    Brad Crowell 27:23  

    Prime away.


    Lesley Logan 27:24  

    I'm Lesley Logan.


    Brad Crowell 27:24  

    And I'm Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 27:26  

    We're so grateful for you, and I know I kind of brought there that the podcast is changing. Don't worry, it's not changing so much. It's just that we, it's been six years. This is episode 746, and I'm being it till I see it. And we want-we have some things we're doing, but it will not affect how much you love this podcast. I think it will actually make you love us even more. So keep sending your wins in, keep sharing this with a friend, and until next time, be-do-have or in other words, Be It Till You See It.


    Brad Crowell 27:54  

    Bye for now.


    Lesley Logan 27:55  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 28:37  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 28:42  

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    Brad Crowell 28:47  

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  • 745. How to Stop Perfectionism From Secretly Destroying Your Happiness

    Are you waiting until you achieve your goals to finally feel worthy, or are you stuck on the endless treadmill of perfectionism? In this episode of Be It Till You See It, host Lesley Logan sits down with high-performance coach Brad Bizjack to unpack the game-changing Be-Do-Have mindset model. Brad reveals why burnout is a signal of misalignment, why self-sabotage is a myth, and how daily self-celebration helps you stop caring what others think. It's a practical reset for anyone chasing achievement but running low on fulfillment.


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    • Tracing perfectionist identity back to the love you craved most.
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    • How the be-do-have model starts with who you're being.
    • What burnout really signals about your hours out of alignment.
    • The reason your success scales with the problems you handle.
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    Brad Bizjack 0:00  

    Burnout is actually one of the most beautiful things that can ever happen in your life because your soul is finally getting involved. That is what burnout means. It has nothing to do with the amount of hours worked. It has to do with the amount of hours spent out of alignment.


    Lesley Logan 0:14  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:56  

    Be It, babe, Brad's back. Brad Bizjack is back. My Brad does show up in the thing, but it's Brad Bizjack's show, and he is a force. He's here to help you with all those things you've been stuck on, the things that we've known but we didn't have the knowing. And I'm so excited because I'm jazzed. The episode just ended. I'm jazzed, and I feel so good about life and what I'm doing, and I want that for you. So you have to keep listening to this show. And then there's an action step for you to take that's going to blow your mind. And if you like that one, then, and you like the show, then there's another one.


    Lesley Logan 1:31  

    So I'll just say, Brad's going to have an amazing event next week that's free, and I'm going to be at it because I go every year because it really challenges me to be the person that I want to be, and so we'll have a link for you to sign up and join, and let me know when you do. And I hope this episode will change your life. I think it will, and I hope you send it to a friend who needs to hear it. All right, here's Brad Bizjack. 


    Lesley Logan 1:52  

    All right, Be It, babe. This is going to be fun because it was fun the last time, and it's a great conversation. But I know it's going to be life changing. At the very least, it's going to have you stop in your tracks and go, "Oh, wait a second! I've been doing this maybe a little bit not in the service of myself and my best interest." Brad Bizjack is back. Brad, can you remind everyone who you are and why you rock so much?


    Brad Bizjack 2:12  

    Yeah, I'm super pumped to be back. First of all, thanks so much for having me. I'm excited to add some value to your amazing listeners. I am a personal development expert, certified high-performance coach. I really help people shift the limiting beliefs, toxic thought patterns, limiting emotional habits that go on in the blind spots of your mind. And how do we break through those and reach the next level of success and, more importantly, fulfillment in our lives? And so that's the two-minute SparkNotes. I can get into the story and all that stuff if you want me to, but that's just a little bit of backstory of what I do.


    Lesley Logan 2:44  

    I know because, well, you do it so well, first of all, and I mean, there's so many people who claim to do these things, but you actually do do these things. The Instagram people claim that their services can help, but sometimes I find that there's another thing that people can collect. I'm a Pilates instructor who teaches Pilates instructors, as we know. And sometimes you're just collecting exercises. You don't need to collect more exercises. You need to do the ones you have. But what sets you apart? I guess. I mean, that's a big question. But you can brag about yourself a little bit.


    Brad Bizjack 3:14  

    I mean, there's a lot of really beautiful things that we've been able to do and serve people with. We obviously we've trained over 80,000 people all over the world, and how to shift their psychology. But one of the things that I think really separates us from everyone that claims to be a mindset coach on the internet, and there, like you said, there are a lot of them. And then there's people that haven't really gone through life, and they claim to be a life coach, right? And it's just really interesting to see how that works. But one of the things that really helps our students and everyone that we serve on podcasts and things like that is that we take these ethereal concepts. Let's use the example of a belief, and we actually make it tactical on how you can actually shift them, how you can actually remove some of these blocks in your subconscious mind. Because a lot of times when people are talking about this stuff on the interwebs, it's just, you gotta believe in yourself, woohoo! And then someone's sitting there going, "No shit, but how do I do that?" And we actually show you how to actually do that. I think that's one of the things that makes us really stand out.


    Lesley Logan 4:15  

    I agree. I couldn't agree more. And I, it's true. I interviewed someone, and she's, "Well, you have it already. You're born with all these things. You just need to not care so much about people thinking." I'm like, okay, but how do I do that? Because how do I? It's like, well, you're just gonna stop caring because I was just okay. I love your confidence in this, but I am, as someone who's quite confident and has done a lot of work on themselves, I have listeners who I'm gonna need more, ma'am.


    Brad Bizjack 4:42  

    Do you want me to actually answer that question?


    Lesley Logan 4:44  

    Yeah, yeah.


    Lesley Logan 4:44  

    Like, how do you actually get yourself to stop caring what other people think? So, if that's ever bothered you, and I think a lot of times people are in this space. Yeah, of course, I need to stop caring what people think. Most people don't recognize that every single thing that we do has a reason. There's a subconscious reason behind everything, and a couple of those reasons. There's six, but a couple of them are certainty and significance, right? We need to feel certain. We need to know that we're going to be able to avoid pain and gain pleasure. We need significance. We need to feel important, like we matter. And so, whenever we're thinking about what are other people thinking of us, what's actually being asked is, "Is this enough? Am I worthy in the eyes of others?" Which tells me that there is a strong craving of significance, and that I will feel worthy if I achieve X, Y, Z. If other people think of me in a certain way, the thing about significance is that there's unlimited ways to meet that need. One of which can be getting approval from others. That's a disempowering way to meet the need for significance. But there's so many more empowering ways, and one of the greatest ways is self-celebration. And most people don't recognize this: that when you celebrate yourself, what you're actually doing is you're changing your own perception of your worth. And there's this. Everyone knows that you have unlimited worth, right? Everyone knows that logically, but our perception of that truth is often limited. And so, if we can see that the perception of worth is what we need to change, well, there's a step to change that. Worth equals love over time, particularly the love you give yourself actively, like the act of love towards yourself, and the greatest act of love towards yourself in the day-to-day is that self-celebration. And I particularly have people celebrate three things: one is what actions you took today; number two is how you added value to the world; and number three is who you are as a person. I'm a great mom. I'm a great dad. I'm a great partner. Whatever it is. What you're doing then is you're priming your subconscious to have a bias towards action and contribution and seeing how great you are. You do that each day. Your perception of worth increases. When your perception of worth increases, you are no longer in this state of craving perfection. Perfection is the fear that I'm not enough, and it needs to be perfect in order to feel that way. So if we increase our perception of worth, the tendency to go into perfection dissipates. Then we don't really care what other people think. And so that's an example of taking a high-level ethereal concept and breaking it down into a tactical, what do you actually do to change it.


    Lesley Logan 7:18  

    Oh my god, I love these questions way more than the gratitude stuff everyone suggests to do. Not that you should be grateful. I think that's really great. But my husband did a gratitude journal, and he made himself a bet that he had to do the gratitude journal every day, or you'd have to do, he'd have to go run with me. And it's not the with me part, it's the run part. But anyways, he was doing it, and at some point he was, you know, this is really. I find myself repeating some of these gratitudes because it's not like life is so different Monday to Friday all the time that there's something new. And but I like these because it really forces you to see you are doing things each day, and you might not think that they're as big a deal as they are, but they really impact people. You know, I will say I started volunteering for the dog shelter here for the SPCA, and I love them because they don't have any requirements of how many hours I have to be there. So my perfectionism can't achieve anything. I can't. I just go when I want to go. So it's a whole on me thing, and I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes I just go for 15 minutes. I feel so. I feel like I'm the greatest person in the world.


    Brad Bizjack 8:25  

    I love that.


    Lesley Logan 8:27  

    I don't know. I guess I don't have to do much more self-celebration. I could probably do some other things. Okay, for people to do this, you know, for them to actually, I love the idea of, like, the perfectionism dissipates because we. That's why a lot of the people who listen to this podcast are recovering perfectionists, right? So they're trying to do these things. When you identify as a perfectionist, because that's how you've received love and admiration and the significance, it becomes a new identity that you have to come into. You know what I mean? You have to be, you're somebody else now. You know, you can't rely on, well, I'm a, you know, I grew up going, I'm a perfectionist. That's why I do it like that. Or I'm, you, you make that part of your story. So it becomes something you have to change. I thought, how do people do that?


    Brad Bizjack 9:09  

    You're asking great questions, by the way. So you mentioned it became part of your identity, and that is very true for a lot of people. And what most people don't understand is that the strongest force in the human personality is the need to stay consistent with who you already think you are, right? So if you label yourself as a perfectionist and life has taught you that you are, that's going to be your biggest obstacle to break. Now there's a step-by-step process on how you actually shift that. Number one is identifying something worth changing for, right? And then we can go deep into that if we want to. Number two is where did that belief form, right? Because you were born in this world a perfectionist. You just, you didn't decide that at a particular age. You never signed a contract, but there was a belief that came into your world, and somehow you adopted, and that might have been through an extreme. That might have been through consistent results, but typically, if we go back and we take a look at whose love did you crave the most as a child, not whose love did you get, whose love did you crave, mom or dad or grandma or grandpa, whoever raised you, and you ask yourself the question, "Who did I need to be to receive that love, and who could I never be to receive that love?" You will oftentimes find, unless you had a very empowering childhood, you will oftentimes find the greatest limiting belief of your life, and that's where a lot of that perfectionism comes from. That opens up the conversation of heal all of those pieces of the past, which can be uncomfortable to look at, but there's ways to do it that are not painful, and then reframe. Right? So if we take a look at healing a relationship. What do I mean by healing a relationship? I had a really challenging childhood, and I had a lot of blame and resentment for that growing up. A lot of anger, even borderline hatred for it for a long time. And it was like there was this hook in me that I couldn't get out of me. Until I recognized that there are three sides to every story, and that's an interesting thing. Most people say there's two sides. There's three sides, right? So number one is my perspective of what happened, right? And so there's all the things that happened, what shouldn't be done, all the things that should never be said to kids, all that, right? Then there's the compassionate side of the story. Well, let's put myself in that person's shoes, right? Well, in my case, this person was adopted when they were born. They were given away. They were bullied all growing up. They were the black sheep of their family. They were in a very toxic relationship. They were not mentally equipped to raise children in any way. So anybody in that situation would act. It doesn't excuse it, but it helps us understand anybody in that situation would act that way. So I can have compassion for the way that this person acted when I was a kid. But then there's a third side of every story, and this goes back to my fundamental belief that life is happening for you and not to you, and we elevate to whatever you believe in, God, the universe, source, infinite intelligence, whatever you believe in, that if life is really happening for me and not to me, there is some gift in this pain, and life's lessons get louder and louder and louder until you pay attention, and most people don't pay attention, right? They start really quiet, but then they get louder, and they think that life shouldn't be going how it is. Well, life should be going exactly how it is. You're just thinking it shouldn't, so you're not seeing the gift that is hidden in your pain. This gift is wrapped in pain, so that you pay attention. Because if it was pleasurable, you wouldn't pay attention to it at all, right? So, if we elevate to that perspective, well, let me take a look at this. If I'm looking at it from the universe's perspective, right? If this person never treated me that way, I would not have the empathy I have today.


    Brad Bizjack 12:53  

    If this person didn't treat me that way, I wouldn't be the dad I am or the spouse I am. I wouldn't be able to have the ability to see patterns going on in people's minds and help them break through it, and so holy cow, the worst days of my life were actually the best days of my life in disguise. That pain gave me the gift to do what I do now, and so if we take a look at most people's most proud qualities, most of them came from contrast of what they didn't want, and so then there's a whole other, so that's what the reframe is, and then there's the gratitude, then there's the thank you, then there's the I'm so grateful that I experience this, which comes after the forgiveness piece, after the reframing piece. But all of that, when it's done step by step, you can start to let go of this identity of I'm a perfectionist because if people don't, what they don't recognize, and this is kind of a perfection is just a way of being, right? And that's what your podcast is really about, who you're being. What most people do is they try to change this just through behavior and action, and so they'll start taking action to shift something in their life, do something different, but it never really lasts. And the reason is because perfectionism is embedded into their psychology. So then they stop at some point two weeks later and they label it as self-sabotage.


    Lesley Logan 14:10  

    Yeah.


    Brad Bizjack 14:10  

    But I have a very controversial opinion on self-sabotage. I believe that self-sabotage is physically impossible, and the reason why I believe that is because your brain is a survival mechanism. Its job is to protect you from threats and pain. And so, why would the world's greatest survival mechanism intentionally destroy the very host it's designed to protect? It wouldn't.


    Lesley Logan 14:35  

    No.


    Brad Bizjack 14:35  

    Right. So anyway.


    Lesley Logan 14:37  

    We would call that a disease. We would say that the brain is diseased. That's right, when that, yeah, exactly.


    Brad Bizjack 14:41  

    Right, so people label it as self-sabotage when really all that's going on is who you're being, the perfectionist in this example, just has not been changed or dealt with, and most people go about this backwards. So there's the what we want to create, but then there's the how do we change who we're actually being in the subconscious. And we can go any direction you want to go with that.


    Lesley Logan 15:01  

    Yeah, yeah. No, I do want to go. I want to keep following this train of thought because I do think you're correct. So I call it Be It Till You See It because it's instead of waiting until this time, then I will, right? So when I have this money, then I will become a kinder person. Or when I have this, then I will prioritize myself. And it's actually you'll just have those things and you'll still be you, right? That's my thing because you didn't actually practice it, you didn't find five minutes for yourself, and so I think that if you're going towards something that you want to change, but you're bringing the person that you, the perfectionist that you were, towards it, it's never going to be perfect. So you're going to stop halfway through, and then you call it your failure. It's a failure thing or it's a sabotage thing. So I actually really like going down this train because I do think it can be helpful for the person who's been listening for a long time and they're still not getting to the see it part. 


    Brad Bizjack 15:47  

    Yeah.There's a model that I love to teach, and I didn't create this. It's just something I learned years ago that really helps people from a high-level perspective see how they're trying to change their life. It's called the be-do-have model, and I can go as deep as you want into it. But the whole idea of this is that most people are going about changing their life completely backwards, right? And I've noticed this. I've had the privilege now of working with over 80,000 people, and I've seen patterns. I could be completely blind at this point, with what I'm recognizing in people, and I could still recognize this. This is completely obvious, and I would see that I would say that 90%, if I were to ballpark it, 90% of people operate from, and I recognize three paradigms, but 90% of people operate from the first one, which is what I call the have-do-be psychology. This is where most people live, and you'll kind of recognize yourself here because I'll explain some of the symptoms of this in just a moment. But most people will believe once I have more money, or more time, or more spousal support, or more freedom, or whatever, then I'll take courageous action on whatever my dreams are, right? And once I take that courageous action, then I will have my goals. Then I'll be successful. I'll be happy. I'll be fulfilled. I'll be whatever it is. So have, do, be. Once I have more money, then I'll hire a coach so I can be successful. Right? And what people that live in this place tend to do is they tend to tiptoe around their dreams, so they'll just do the things that are safe enough to try, but not really go all in. This is the person that is addicted to insights, and so they just study all day long, but never really take any action. And they could tell people all day long how to change their life or how to do something, but they're not doing it themselves. They're the person that consistently says, "I know I need to," and they're not doing it. By the way, anyone that's actually doing something doesn't say, "I know I need to," right? Because they're doing it. They don't. And this person is so caught up in being perfect that they will either not start because they don't know exactly how it's going to go. They'll either, like I said, tiptoe around the edge of a dream, or nothing they do will ever feel like enough. So they'll eventually get burnt out or stressed out, and then they don't continue anyways. And so this, I label this paradigm of the world the worried perfectionist because that's just what consumes their life. This person is obsessed with certainty and safety and wanting to know they're gonna be okay, and they think that life needs to change first before they change, but that's not how life works because all of life is cause and effect. And most people will obsess over the effect, and the effect is what's in the bank, how the business is going, how the family is doing, what your health, right? That's the effect. The cause is who you're being. Most people aren't seeing that, and if you forget about the effect, or if you forget about the cause, which is who you're being, then you can no longer influence the effect, which is what you have. And so most people become trapped here, and they just wait for life to change, complaining about their life. But you only complain about things that you could change, but you're too afraid to. And so this is where 90% of the world lives is in this place of worried perfectionism because they're operating from a have-do-be psychology. But then there is this small segment of the world, I would argue 8, 9% of the world, that operates from a little bit of a different paradigm. There's, it's still not incredibly empowering. They're just starting to actually get some results, but they're not fulfilled. And this is, and you'll know that you're this person if you're always going and can never stop because you're afraid it's all going to fall apart. This is you if you feel like everything's held together by a tiny little thread.


    Brad Bizjack 19:35  

    This is you if you become addicted to action and you can't sit and take in a sunset. This person operates from a do-have-be psychology. This is where I need to be doing all the time. I can never slow down, and if I do enough, then I'll have a goal, right? I might have the great business, whatever it is, and if I have the goal, that's what qualifies me to be worthy. That's what qualifies me to let go of perfectionism, that's what qualifies me to be enough, right?


    Lesley Logan 20:03  

    I'm smiling because I feel like people who are listening to the have, you know, have-be-do, which the one that's (inaudible), they were, oh I'm not that one, but they're probably this one because, right? The doer, the doer, and it's gonna come, and then they burn out. .


    Brad Bizjack 20:19  

    Yeah. Exactly. That's one of the symptoms, is you're totally burnt out. And people will say all the time, "I'm burnt out. I've spent so much time on work. I am so burnt out." But burnout is actually one of the most beautiful things that can ever happen in your life because your soul is finally getting involved. That is what burnout means. It has nothing to do with the amount of hours worked. It has to do with the amount of hours spent out of alignment, that's what burnout is.


    Lesley Logan 20:44  

    Oh my god! Everyone, rewind and listen to that one more time. That was so good. That's so true. I can think back to two burnouts and go, "Oh yeah, no. Every time I get there, I am out of alignment." Thank God I know it now, but you can spot it now. So, okay, yeah, I'm in.


    Brad Bizjack 21:00  

    It prevents it from happening, right? Whenever you're in that state, all it means is you're not listening to what your heart really needs, and you're just depending on an old paradigm of life that has been limiting you. This person will push emotion down because they just don't have time for that. They're always so stressed out, so they don't feel or experience fulfillment. They think fulfillment is at the end instead of now, instead of the fuel. And this person is incredibly addicted to achievement because they think achievement makes them feel like they're enough. But what happens with this person is they bounce from goal to goal, peak to peak, to-do list to to-do list, and nothing ever feels like enough. It's like their worth is a moving target, like they're chasing a ghost. And so, this person just feels like nothing, the way that I can best describe it is this person is consistently wondering, subconsciously, "What's going to be enough?" And that just operates their psychology. The reason why is because they're not doing it in a way that's actually going to lead to a fulfilling life. Because if you have achievement but you don't have fulfillment, that's not success. That is failure. Achievement without fulfillment is one of the greatest failures in life. And I say that with so much respect for everybody listening, because I was there. I lived that way. So what we need to do is take a look at these first two paradigms: have-do-be and do-have-be. You'll notice that the "be" is at the end, right? And the "be," by the way, is the sum total of our thoughts, our emotions, our beliefs, our values, and our identities, how we view our model of the world.


    Lesley Logan 22:41  

    Yeah.


    Brad Bizjack 22:41  

    That is the "be" and if the perspective is the "be" is at the end, we're going to have a very hard go at life. You'll notice that the most successful people that are actually successful in all terms of the word, I mean financially, emotionally, spiritually, physically, people that are truly crushing it at life and are genuinely happy, they flip the entire paradigm. They operate from a be-do-have psychology. The "be" is the beginning, and they reverse engineer. They say, "Okay, well, what do I want to have? What's the effect? What's the outcome I'm after?" "I want to have these things", whatever these things are. It could be a seven-figure business. It could be this level of health. It could be whatever, right? "I want to have that." Okay, if I already had that, what would I be doing already?


    Lesley Logan 23:29  

    Yeah.


    Brad Bizjack 23:29  

    Because chances are, the doing at that level is very different from the doing at the current level.


    Lesley Logan 23:33  

    Yes, it is.


    Brad Bizjack 23:35  

    And the challenge with that is that those actions require courage because they're different from what you're currently doing. So then the question becomes, "Who do I need to be now so that those actions become automatic?" That means what do my thoughts need to be? What emotional state do I need to live in consistently? What beliefs do I need to have about my identity and my life in general, about success, about money, about people? What do I need to value? Not just in terms of family or whatever. I mean, in terms of what emotion am I driving towards in life? And when we can rewire that so that to where the operating system of your mind, the "be"is set up for success, then "do" becomes automatic. You don't have to do any internal marketing anymore. You're just doing the actions, and then the "have" is the natural byproduct.


    Lesley Logan 24:27  

    Yeah.


    Brad Bizjack 24:27  

    And that's where a very small portion of the world lives, and that's why a very small portion of the world is successful and deeply fulfilled.


    Lesley Logan 24:33  

    Yeah, I remember years, this has been probably in 2015. No, no, yeah, about that. Anyways, I remember going, "God, I can't wait. I wish I just knew how to run a company, because then I could just handle the problems I have. But I don't know how to run a company." And there was this part of my brain that said, "Well, what if you had to know how to run a company? What would you be doing if you knew what you were doing?" I was walking down the street and I thought, "Oh, people who run things, they have people on the team who know how to do the thing. I don't know how to do accounting, so I just started going, "Okay, what experts can I bring in? Oh, I don't have the money for that, so, what expert is making a podcast on that right now because I can listen to that." And so I just started using this free time as, "Okay, if I am a CEO, what am I doing?" It changed my whole schedule. It changed how I approached things, and then I started to realize, "Oh, I reverse engineer a lot of things. This is just, that's what it is." As a kid, you guys, I would only play a maze from the finish line back. I only would do the maze backwards, and I would always win. My friends took me to a cornfield to do one of those mazes, and I was not having it. There was no way to do the reverse. But it's funny when you do it like that. One, I'm sure people go, "Oh, wow, that makes so much sense." But it is not the easiest thing to do because it requires you to be, at the beginning of this podcast, you can't be at the identity that you are now, right?


    Brad Bizjack 25:56  

    That's right. Yeah. You can't be at the identity level that you are now. Saying, you need to be someone different sounds really cute on Instagram, right? But, and I could do that approach that you talked about earlier, "Well, you just got to believe it." But that does nothing, right? It does nothing. There is a strategy and a step-by-step process of how we actually shift this. And if I can give anyone here one kind of, yeah, call it a nugget, that will put their current situation, put a little bit more ease in your current situation to allow for more mental bandwidth and energy to solve this problem, it's the idea that your success is directly proportional to the amount and quality of problems that you're willing to handle. And so the situation you're in now, if you feel capped in some way in any area of life, it's because of your perception of the problem you're in. Your perception of the problem is likely limiting you, because here's the thing about success: the more successful you become, I promise you, the more problems you're going to have. It is. I promise you.


    Lesley Logan 27:06  

    I can guarantee it.


    Brad Bizjack 27:09  

    Because in order to become successful, you have to get really good at solving problems. And then the very act of solving a problem creates another one. So the more successful you become, you're just really good at creating problems. And so, if your relationship with what I'm facing in my life right now is "hard" just making that up as an example, well, then you're limited in the amount and quality of problems that you have because your relationship with your existing problem is, "This shouldn't be the case." Yet life is always happening for you and not to you. It's trying to teach you something. If this problem becomes a gift that you get to grow from, or something that's meant to help you evolve into the next level of you, it doesn't solve, let's say, the bank issues or the fitness issues or whatever. It doesn't solve the 3D issue, but it opens up emotional energy for you to solve it. Because you're no longer giving your personal power away to a problem. If you give all of your personal power, meaning your feelings of, your ability to handle life, if you give your personal power away to your existing circumstances, and say that needs to change before I feel better, then you have no personal power left to do anything about your circumstances. And so most people just give their power away all day long.


    Lesley Logan 28:21  

    Yeah.


    Brad Bizjack 28:21  

    But if we can see that these problems are meant to be there to help us grow, because life is rigged in our favor, then we won't give as much power away. And if we don't give as much power away, we have more space to actually say, "Well, then who do I need to be, and how do I change these beliefs?" Instead of just saying, "Yeah, let's be positive and live in toxic positivity and just believe in yourself." That doesn't work.


    Lesley Logan 28:42  

    No, no. I'm so glad you said that, because I think toxic positivity is one of the worst things that someone could actually fall into. It's so terrible. So, in our communities, we have a channel that's "I Need a Moment." So you can vent, you can bitch, you can whatever you want. It's so great, but you must, before you leave the community, go to the wins channel and leave a win. Now, it doesn't have to be that, "I'm so glad this thing has happened to me," because it doesn't have to be that. It can be something completely different. But the idea that you can find that there is something going on for you, there's some sort of self-celebration that you can do amongst the muck, is really, really helpful, right? I think it's really helpful. And on the podcast on Fridays, I have a Fuck Yeah Friday episode where I'm allowed to vent about something, and then I self-celebrate. And then they, oh, my husband Brad is here. Let there be light. If you're watching in YouTube, it just got brighter, and now you can see how sweaty I am. That's a whole other story, guys. Then the listener can have a win because when they hear their win, it's often weeks or months after they submitted it, and they can be reminded of it. But we have to notice that there is something good. And I had this woman who studied happiness, and she was talking about living in a world where, in third-world countries, people barely have a bicycle, and yet they're smiling, right? They're smiling. So your happiness isn't coming from all these things that you have. It's back to your point, the amount of problems you can handle. Happiness is actually, you know, the people who are happy are actually dealing with problems, but they are recognizing that there's other good stuff coming from that, right? Because they can see good when it's good, and then they have this problem they deal with, but they still see joy in life because they're not so in the place of, "I should have it differently."


    Brad Bizjack 30:24  

    Yeah, you said the word "should" a second ago, and a lot of people just should all over themselves all the time. "And I should have this. It should be different." And you mentioned happiness and the people in these third-world countries. If I could make up a reason why they're so happy, it's because they have the least amount of expectations. The happiest people in life have the least amount of expectations of how it should be, and they're more grateful for how it is. Doesn't mean that you don't have aspirations to change or grow. It just means that there's not this expectation that it should be different. It's beautiful as is, and I'm excited for what else I build. So, I've just noticed that as a direct correlation in people that are the happiest. They just, there's a lot less "shoulds" in their life.


    Lesley Logan 31:08  

    Yeah.


    Brad Bizjack 31:08  

    And if people listening here can just adopt that and say, "What do I believe should be different? And maybe if I trade those expectations for appreciations, I'd have a different life." Something to noodle on.


    Lesley Logan 31:21  

    You're so good. There's 17 liners. I wanted to say 17 times, "Rewind. Go back to that one." That's so good. Say it again. I was re-listening to when you were on last year, and I was just, "Yeah. Oh my God. Yes. Okay." And, "Oh, I've done that." That is no longer a thing that I have to remind myself about. So I just, I'm obsessed with how you help people, because that's what you really do. You know, I was so excited to have you. I feel like this has to be an annual experience for all of us, because each thing that you say is not a light switch. Okay, now I've written that down, noted, I got it. Because you have to put that into the system that you have, the day that you have, the life you have, the people in your life that you have, and then try to integrate it. Try to take the next step. So you're gonna, it feels like two steps forward, one step back. But each year that I know you and I listen to these amazing things that you say: "Oh, that is easier." "Oh, I've just moved up on that one." "Oh, now, oh, I forgot to do that. I missed that one."


    Brad Bizjack 32:17  

    I love that.


    Lesley Logan 32:19  

    Okay, so I mean, my goodness, you have so many wonderful things for us to help us be-do-have, and also, really, I love the beginning of this talk of removing the perfectionism from our lives so we can have more fulfillment, but more and more life to live. What are you super excited about right now? Because I know you're always doing something magical and amazing.


    Brad Bizjack 32:38  

    This is my favorite time of year. It's like Christmas. I know it's October, but it's Christmas.


    Lesley Logan 32:44  

    I love October, so I'm in.


    Brad Bizjack 32:47  

    You know, I noticed a problem, and here's an example: life gives you challenges, and you have to figure out how to solve them. The problem was, I'd be on podcasts and shows, and I would do speaking gigs and all this stuff, and people would listen to these words, right? And they would be so inspired by the depth of it and how I can make this kind of tactical and try to make it real. And then people did nothing with it. And I was, "What the heck?" If I'm going to make an impact, we actually have to make this real. And I realized in those moments there's a very big difference between knowledge and knowing, right? Knowledge is the conceptual understanding of something. Knowing is, "I'm living this." And so I thought to myself, "What do I do to make this real for people and actually give them an experience so that these inspirational concepts aren't just something you hear on a podcast one day, but actually become part of you?" And so I decided to put together a five-day challenge, and I do it every year in October. It is my favorite time of year. We have thousands of people from all over the world that come together to take these concepts and actually make them applicable and real to your life, custom to what you have going on, your specific goals. Because my goals are different from your goals, and who am I to tell you what to want? You want what you want. Well, let's break down all of the garbage getting in the way of getting there. And so we go through a five-day process of identifying: What am I really after in life, and what is the "be" that I'm living through now in the be-do-have, so the identity, the beliefs, the values, the emotional patterns, the thought patterns, and is that in alignment with what I really want to have? Most people don't recognize that the way that you're operating has to be in energetic coherence with what you want. You've heard, "Your vibe attracts your tribe," right? Like attracts like. So if you're in a low energy and your goals are beautiful, you're not going to create them because you're in a low energy. You're just going to attract more of what you don't want. So we need to see the gap between where we are in terms of being and what we really want in our life. That's Day One. And then the rest of the week, we go to town on how do we break down all the things that are limiting us? How do we maximize the things that are empowering us? And how do we close the gap from where we are to where we want to be? And how do we live in a state of fulfillment now while striving for so much more? So it's a beautiful process. It's helped over 80,000 people from all over the world, and it starts next week. And I'm super excited about it.


    Lesley Logan 35:21  

    I’m excited because I feel like you always pick the perfect week for me because I'm always back and I'm coming off Cambodian time, so I'm up early. And I'm up early anyways, but I'm very much up. And I take you on my dog walk. You’re,I really do. I take you on the dog walk and I just walk, and it's just the best way to start my day. Obviously, different time zones might be a different time, but it's wonderful. And I do love that you do this because you're right. These words are wonderful, and if somebody writes them down and hits repeat on this show, it's so good. But you do kind of need a container sometimes to practice, and then being a container with other people who are also doing it at the same time because the vibe attracts your tribe. But you're with all these people, so it makes it easier to show up and take in all these tips that you've been saying, but actually put them into practice, which is so beautiful. So I'm excited for it. Brad and I will obviously be in attendance because there's just something about it that makes me go, "Oh yeah, okay, that's good. I'm doing that well." You know, like a little affirmation that I might have forgotten to give myself. So I am so grateful for you for doing that for all these people because they need it. So what an impact you're making!


    Brad Bizjack 36:23  

    Well, thank you so much, my friend. Really appreciate it. Oh, and it's free, by the way.


    Lesley Logan 36:26  

    That's right. It is free. So you have kind of no excuse.


    Brad Bizjack 36:30  

    Don't treat it like it's free, though. Treat it like you invested 10 grand into it because it's such a powerful experience.


    Lesley Logan 36:37  

    And also, there are replays, so you guys can schedule them in if you can't come live. You can schedule in the replays. It's really wonderful, and the community aspect of it will get you out of your head if you get stuck. So I think it's so wonderful. Okay, you have given us the world of wonderful tips, but you know the podcast does end with bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?


    Brad Bizjack 37:00  

    Oh man, there's so many. 


    Lesley Logan 37:03  

    I know. You can pull from any.


    Brad Bizjack 37:07  

    So say it again. 


    Lesley Logan 37:07  

    Bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted steps. So you can pick one of them, or some people go crazy and do all of them. But you've already got one, so you go take it away.


    Brad Bizjack 37:18  

    This is going to ruffle some feathers, especially for the achievers in the room, but stop making to-do lists. I'll explain why, and I'll be quick about it. I promise. When most people have them, they're so good at making to-do lists, but they have their dream at the same level of importance as laundry. And I promise you, when you run out of underwear, you're going to wash your clothes. You're going to.


    Lesley Logan 37:44  

    As an ADHD person living with an ADHD person, you do. You will wash your clothes. It will happen. It'll get hung up. Everything will happen.


    Brad Bizjack 37:51  

    It'll figure itself out. But most people don't recognize that this is actually limiting their productivity because, if we take a look, most people have had those days where they complete everything on their list and they still feel empty. And then they've had those days where they do next to nothing on their list, but they still feel fulfilled. And the reason why is because when you checked all the boxes, you were focused on what was urgent and demanded. When you felt fulfilled, you were focused on what was important. And so most people obsess over completing a to-do list. I never, ever follow a to-do list. What I ask myself is, "What result do I want today?" Not, "What do I need to do today?" What result do I want today? For example, if I have an objective of, let's say, signing three new clients, if that is a goal today, that is a very different emotional, energetic, and physical experience than, "I just really want to get a couple of social media posts up and film a podcast." Everything becomes targeted. So once I know what I'm after and why I'm after it, then I can reverse engineer a list strategically from that outcome. What are the most important items that will yield that result? And typically, the one at the top of the list is the one you've been procrastinating on the most. And if you do that one thing, and only that thing, first, you will have more success in a week than you did all of last year. And so this is how successful people seem like they're operating on a completely different wavelength. It's because they are. Instead of, "What do I need to do today?" "What result do I want today?" And reverse engineer from that.


    Lesley Logan 39:20  

    Oh my God! No one has ever said to ditch the to-do list. This is the.


    Brad Bizjack 39:23  

    Let's go.


    Lesley Logan 39:24  

    It just took 800 episodes to get the best tip. Oh my God, Brad, I adore you. Someday we must meet in person. I must go on the lake with you and your family and my Brad. It'll just be wonderful. We've got to get our tour to come through there. But you are just so great. I can't wait to spend all next week with you and all these listeners. You're going to join in. It's going to change your life. And also, here's another reason why I like you do it in October. I just want to shout out the timing of it. I think when people ask, "Oh, what are you doing for next year?" I have already planned next year before Q4. Just so you know, so I like having the last two months of the year to kind of wrap up things, tie off loose ends, so that I can make next year be the be-do-have that I want. I can get rid of the stuff that's in the way. You know, you can already be prepared for what you want. Not that I'm a "new year, new me" kind of girly. That's not what I'm saying, for some people, there is a way that the seasons work. You are going into wrapping things up already. The October of having, "This is the result I want to have. How am I going to do that?" You can really use the end of the year to reverse engineer. That's my excitement.


    Brad Bizjack 40:30  

    I love that. Never thought of that. 


    Lesley Logan 40:31  

    I'm sure you didn't but I think of that


    Brad Bizjack 40:34  

    You know, it's a lot of times I also notice going into October, November. I notice sometimes there's an energy dip in society as pumpkin spice comes out, the energy about dreams goes down. Yeah, and this injects a serum into your mind that makes you just incredibly excited about possibility the rest of the year. 


    Lesley Logan 40:54  

    Yeah, it's really brilliant. It's really, really brilliant. And for me, Q4 is just an insane time of my life. This one is even crazier. And so, going with all your tips going in, it just changes how I show up in that busyness, because otherwise it's just a busy body versus having being the person I want to be in that time. So I can appreciate it, so I can enjoy it. So it's not just a to-do list. Anyways, Brad, you're amazing. Thank you so much for being here. You guys, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Make sure you sign up. We'll have the link for you, and let me know that you did so I can celebrate with you next week. All right, sir, take care of you and my loves, Go Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 41:33  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 42:15  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 42:20  

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 42:25  

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 42:32  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 42:35  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time. 



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    42m - Oct 13, 2026
  • 744. Stop Trying To Reach Your YouTube Goals Alone

    Lesley Logan celebrates a win she almost talked herself out of, choosing to hire real help rather than wait years for something she could pursue now. As Balanced Body marks fifty years, she shares why coaching others taught her to ask for coaching too. She also vents about the looming time change, lifts up wins from the summer tour, and offers a reminder that investing in yourself is not impulsive when it's strategic. This episode invites you to stop waiting for the perfect moment.


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    In this episode you will learn about:

    • Celebrating Balanced Body's fifty years live from the Sacramento tour booth.
    • Why the looming time change and darker evenings feel so frustrating.
    • Hiring real help to finally grow the YouTube channel toward 100,000.
    • Listener wins from summer tour classes plus two brand-new clients.
    • Closing with a mantra about seeing the beauty within yourself.


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    Episode Transcript:

    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    It's Fuck Yeah Friday.


    Brad Crowell 0:01  

    Fuck yeah!


    Lesley Logan 0:02  

    Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:38  

    Be It babe, how are you? I am so excited for today. Today we are celebrating oh my god 50 years of Balanced Body as our sponsor for our big tours, and last week we announced where we're going in our winter tour. So hopefully you've gone and checked that out, but we are actually spending the celebrating this day with Balanced Body and their crew at POT Sacramento. So I'm up in Sacramento. If you are one of our members or listeners, and you are there as well, please come by in the booth and say hi.


    Lesley Logan 1:13  

    Happy Fuck Yeah Friday! I'm so happy you're here. You know these short episodes. I hope are meaningful for you. I love to share your wins. I love for you to hear what's going on in real time in my life and what's on my heart and what's a win I'm having because I think it's really easy for us to put people on pedestals and think the grass is greener where they are, and everyone's just doing their thing, trying the hardest they can. And you know, you are amazing. So thanks for being here.


    Lesley Logan 1:38  

    So okay, I am aware that we are weeks away from a time change, possibly, but maybe not, because you know I heard that they're not doing the time change, but then they picked the one I don't want, and I feel like everybody in the world agrees that we should stop changing the clocks, but I don't want it to be light in the morning. I know you think that's crazy because I love to walk in the morning. I actually love to wake up when it's dark, and when we start my walk and watch the sunrise, and I want it to be lighter later. So statistically, I guess it's probably better if we all wake up early with the sun. But I also just, don't you want to get off work and there's still some sunlight to enjoy the outdoors. Isn't that what you want with friends and family? Just I don't know, have some summer water and just sit outside. So I'm a little frustrated that we're coming close to what could be a time change, and then it's darker earlier for so long, and I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Hate it. So that's my event. Now for my win because you don't need to hear me bitch without hearing a good thing that's going on. I hired help for my YouTube channel, and we're hitting our first eight weeks together, and I'm really excited to see what that does. But my YouTube channel has been a long time running, and I was kind of figuring out what should it be doing. I want it to grow. I want it to be 100,000 subscribers because I want the impact of that. I want to help that many people who love Pilates. And I just kind of got stuck where we were, and I felt like we weren't we were growing, but we weren't growing that fast. I don't want to wait 15 years to hit the goal. I want to hit it. And I met this person, and I raised my hand and asked a vulnerable question, and they followed up. Oh my god, fancy that! And they're actually not an asshole who's stealing from me or promising the world and not giving me anything. Like they're great, wonderful at what they do. And so the last 8 weeks we've been working together, this celebrates that. And I just am excited for you to see what we put out because of these meetings. And I'm really congratulating myself for hiring some help.


    Lesley Logan 3:23  

    Y'all, we coach people all the time, and it would be silly for me to say I have all the answers. We coach people all the time on their business because we have been where you're going, and we can help you get where you want to go. And so, my loves, sometimes you got to hire people to help you get where you want to go. And so I did that, and I'm just celebrating that I didn't go. Oh, it's not the right time. So much going on in the world. Nope. Put my money where my mouth was. I want to hit this goal. He's the right person. I'm doing it. Interview, deal of things. Very proud of myself. Wasn't impulsive. Was very strategic and thoughtful. And I just want to share that with you because if you do that in your life, you too have a win to celebrate.


    Lesley Logan 3:58  

    All right, now for a win of yours. This is from @cnoteandmaxxi, "Coming to summer tour class in 45min." So obviously this is from August. But you did come to our summer tour, and you came to two classes. It was so fun to see you. I love that you did that. @purapilates_yasmin, "Two new clients this week, loving the method." Ah, I love when our Pilates clients fall in love with the method the way we do. It's just so fun when they get hooked on it like we do. So thank you both so much for sending in your wonderful, wonderful wins so we can see that you can just celebrate a win. I set up for a class and I made it. I'm going. Or that someone else sees the world the way you see it because of you. Those are wins.


    Lesley Logan 4:40  

    All right, let me get you a mantra, my loves, and get you onto your weekend. And like I said, if you are in Sacramento at POT, come by say hi. I choose to see the beauty within me. I choose to see the beauty within me. I choose to see the beauty within me. My love, you choose to see the beauty within you. Now go Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 5:00  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 5:42  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 5:47  

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 5:52  

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 5:59  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 6:02  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.



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    6m - Oct 9, 2026
  • 743. Pivoting Does Not Have to Be Dramatic

    Awareness without a next step is just a well informed stuck place. In this second part of the Quit vs Pivot series, Lesley Logan reframes the pivot as evidence gathered, and gives listeners a way to tell whether they should change course or close a chapter. She shares the running story that reshaped her own goals and the science that makes changing direction a strength.


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    • The method versus mission filter for what you're truly done with.
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    • Signals that point toward pivoting versus signals it's time to quit.
    • How expired containers, not dead dreams, explain outgrowing a plan.


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    A pivot is not a failure. It is using what you've learned. It's information and then adjusting course, right? And I think a lot of us treat pivot like a consolation prize. Well, Plan A didn't work, so I guess I'll do this instead.


    Lesley Logan 0:16  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:59  

    All right, if you listened to part one, you got some homework done, and you sat with what you're actually done with, and you've checked in with your body, and hopefully you got a little more honest with yourself than a couple days ago. And today we're gonna do something with that because awareness without a next step is really just, well, it's a very well-informed, stuck place, and I don't want that for you, or, as my breathwork coach said, information without integration is constipation, a.k.a. stuck. Right?


    Lesley Logan 1:27  

    So, welcome back to Be It Till You See It. This is part two of Quit Versus Pivot series, and if you didn't listen to part one, what are you actually trying to quit? You should go listen to that one because this is going to feel a little bit of the ordinary. So it's just going to be below this in your wherever you're listening to podcast, yeah, because, I mean, if you're like me and you want to listen to the end first, you totally can. Who am I to tell you what to do? But today's episode is about a word that changes everything once you understand it, and that is pivot. And again, some of us don't like that word; we get a little tired of it. But it's a really good word.


    Lesley Logan 1:57  

    So let's redefine pivot. Let's start here. A pivot is not a failure. It is using what you've learned. It's information and then adjusting course, right? And I think a lot of us treat pivot like a consolation prize. Well, Plan A didn't work, so I guess I'll do this instead, which is framing that actually keeps you small and a little bit resentful of your own journey, as opposed to the reframe, which you can take instead, which is you're not starting over; you're starting with data. So, for example, when I first started to run a marathon, I thought, okay, I just have to run a long time over and over again, and I'll be able to run a marathon. And I started doing that, and I started having shin splints and a little bit of hip pain and things like that, and I thought about quitting, but I was, well, I don't want to quit. I really want to achieve this goal, but I'm not, this isn't working. And so now I have information about what doesn't work. I hired a coach on how to do it, and then I ran a marathon. And then after I ran that marathon, I discovered that I actually prefer running half marathons because it's easier to stay in shape for a half marathon. And I became an elite half marathon runner and doing things like that. I would not say that becoming a half marathon runner was a consolation prize of being a marathon runner. No, I was able to make a more informed decision about the goals that I have. It was information with, it was having a new goal with data on how to do what I want to do, versus I think I want to do this thing right now, which is totally fine. But now we don't have to start over. We get to start from a new starting line with the data of what to do.


    Lesley Logan 3:30  

    So every attempt you've made, every version of the plan, the class, the offer, the show, everything you've done on your goal on a thing, you actually get to ask yourself what worked and what drained you. What did people actually respond to? Not on vibes, but like on data. What about your body felt like it was in resistance before, or what about it felt like it was easy and in flow? All that information is not a waste. It's the research phase. No one calls it that, right? Everyone tells us, oh, you just should be able to do the thing that you set out to do as some bullshit. So after every single thing Brad and I do in our business, we sit down and we go, what worked and what didn't work? What did we like? What didn't we like? We said 15 minutes. Was that enough time? Do we need 20 minutes? It's all information. When you do that for your business, you don't go, oh my god, you didn't know. No, you'll call it a postmortem or an autopsy. You call it reflection. Why don't we do that with our other goals in our life?


    Lesley Logan 4:25  

    So let's talk method versus mission. And this is a filter that I use now, and I want you to use it as much as you want. And you can call it whatever you want because it is simple. We talked about this in last. Am I done with the whole thing or this is just the way I'm doing it? So method versus mission. If I'm done with the whole thing, that's like mission. If I'm done with the way I'm doing it, that's just the method, right? There's other ways of doing that. Sometimes the mission is still completely right, and the method is what's wrong. You still believe in what your outcome is. You're just exhausted with the vehicle you chose to get there.


    Lesley Logan 4:56  

    So, I used to write tons and tons of blogs. That is how our businesses got started, and now I don't write blogs. I do videos, and then the transcripts become the blog. So I still do long form content. I just don't type it all out, right? So method versus mission. Maybe it's the schedule you're using. Maybe you're maybe you said you'll take calls in the evenings, and you want to take calls in the afternoons. Maybe it is the format, like mine was. Maybe it's who you are doing the thing for. Maybe it is the offer itself, right? Like as you heard for the last episode, we changed Agency. We changed the actual offer. We didn't change who it's for. We didn't change our mission of how we want to help more bodies doing Pilates, and that by doing that, we help the studio owners. We just changed the offer of how we're going to do that, and we change the environment of which we did it in. And it's not because we didn't love what we're doing before; we just needed to make a change so that we can sustainably do what we're doing. And that's key, right? It's really important for you to keep that in mind. That like we talked about in the first episode, it's not a failure. It's actually information about where you're at right now. Maybe it's the pace you set, right?


    Lesley Logan 6:02  

    I was listening to something today where this woman really set this 10-week program up, and she's okay, here's the program, and no one bought it, and she's why didn't you buy it? I don't, 10 weeks is too long to commit, so she did four weeks, and then they did, right? So maybe it's the pace that you set. Maybe it's your support system, right? Maybe you have had the same people on your team, the same coach for a long time, and you love them, but they got you as far as they can, and so it's time to go with someone else. That's also fine. That happens to me, too. I'm going to get people as far as they can go. I'm going to get them to their goal, and they're going to need a different support system. There's nothing wrong with that. And so, if that's true for you, then it's okay. That's the method, right?


    Lesley Logan 6:40  

    That's the vehicle, or maybe it's the lack of having a support system, and so you have to go get someone to help support you and hold you up. Changing any of those, and you might have a completely different relationship with the thing that you're feeling like you should walk away from. So instead of quitting, it's a pivot. Now, if it's a pivot, how do we make sure that we don't think it has to be a dramatic pivot? Because I do think sometimes we think I need to make this big announcement about this pivot I'm making. I want to take the pressure off because I think that also keeps us stuck longer. Right? Pivoting does not have to be dramatic. You do not need to announce that you're making a total rebrand or blow up the whole plan to prove you're serious about changing something. It can be a small experiment. You can dabble in it. You can give it try.


    Lesley Logan 7:21  

    You know how I love messy action, meaning you can try the new version imperfectly. You can just give it a little test run before you're sure, before it's polished. It helps you at least test the next iteration before you commit to it. And I really do believe in testing because if you make this big grand party about it, and then you don't like the new thing now, you're going to feel like you have to pivot again. You might still have to, but wouldn't it be nice to just do it quietly? It's also easier. So I want you to find ways to test your pivot out so you can really ensure that you are making the adjustments that you need so that you can go. Yep, this is the correct pivot. And actually, now that I've done this pivot, now I really want to make these three adjustments. That's great too. There's a reason why stores will open and then they'll have a grand opening six months or even a year later. It's not because they are. Oh, we want to have a sale. It's because they had to get systems in place to make sure that what they were doing and who they were doing it for made sense and it supported what their mission was, right?


    Lesley Logan 8:21  

    There are signals, by the way. So let's talk a little bit about how to actually tell the difference, because I think people ask me the most about this. Signs that it might be time to pivot is that the desire is still alive, but the current version feels heavy or exhausting. So you still want the outcome, but pursuing it is what's crushing you. I'll never forget when we first did Profitable Pilates in 2016. The way we did it, I remember six months in, it wasn't working. I was crying, and Brad's, "Well, let's just quit it. No one will even know if you just quit doing it. And when he asked me that, I didn't feel free. I felt sad, and so I knew that it wasn't that I needed to stop doing Profitable Pilates; that I needed to change the vehicle, right? So, just how does it feel in your body when you're given permission to not do the thing? If it doesn't feel better, then it's you know there's a it's not a sign it's not time to quit. It's time to pivot, right?


    Lesley Logan 9:15  

    Signs it might be time to quit, actually quit, is that the desire is gone. Like you don't, you no longer are going after that thing anymore. The cost of staying is just too high. Whether it's your time or your healthy relationships or your money, continual pressure requires you to abandon yourself to keep doing it. Like if you, if it means who you are as a human being is not going to be supported, it's time to quit, right? Like I have a friend who's just not being seen for her talents and skills where she's at. She's not done, but she's done there because she isn't able to show up fully as herself, and how they want her to show up is killing her, right? It's taking the wonderful sparkle off her eye, so that last part matters more than people give it credit for.


    Lesley Logan 10:04  

    If staying is something and shrinking or silencing your needs or overriding what your body has been telling you, that's not a commitment. That's self-abandonment. Wearing commitment clothes, and so you gotta quit. Right? It's not a pivot. It's a definite we got to move in that so we can keep you who you are and move you somewhere else, right? So I want to hand you some science because I do think science also helps give us permission. We like evidence, we like data. There's cognitive flexibility. The actual ability to adapt and change direction is a strength. It's not inconsistency. It's not flakiness. So I just want you to know that in making changes, it is hard to stick with the change because it requires strength to do that. And so you're not being consistent, you're not being flaky. It just does take time to get that cognitive flexibility, the actual ability to adapt and change direction. So if you start on a new course and your pivot and it starts to go back to where it was, you didn't fail. You're not flaky. We just got to get back there.


    Lesley Logan 10:59  

    Clarity rarely comes from sitting still and overthinking every angle. My overthinkers, this is for you. It comes from behavioral data, meaning you try something, you test it, you adjust based on what actually happens instead of what you predicted would happen from the couch. So clarity does not come from I'm here with a crystal ball. No, you take some action, you get some clarity. It's in the beginning of the show. It's literally in the intro, and here is the other piece. Just because something feels hard right now does not automatically mean it's wrong. That's emotional reasoning, and it's sneaky because hard and wrong almost feel like they're identical in the moment. Some of the most right things I've ever done in any of my businesses felt brutally hard for the first few months. I'm doing something right now that is brutally hard.


    Lesley Logan 11:38  

    So, lastly, I want to say, the container might have expired, not the dream. So remember, there's quitting and there's pivoting. Sometimes the container we are in is expired, and I want to give you a picture to carry this with you because I think it explains the whole series a little bit better than my bullet points ever could. Sometimes the dream is still alive, but the container is expired. The vision didn't fall. The version of you who built it two years ago or two months ago, simply isn't the version that fits who you are right now or what your life actually looks like. That's not a loss. That's a growth of asking a new shape. That is my example of how we changed Agency. I am not a flaky person. I didn't stop with the dream, but I did expire the container. My capacity to respond to every single Slack message every single day had changed. My capacity to focus had changed. Perimenopause fucked my ADHD and all the things that I did. So I didn't fail. I just needed to change the container because the original container I built it on had expired. The dream was still there. The desire is still there, and I'm still doing it. Resistance that you're feeling towards the current plan can also be information. It's not automatic stop sign, and not every detour you've ever taken was a distraction. Some detours were guidance, pointing you somewhere you could couldn't have found by going straight there. Sometimes we need detours because we need to rest. Sometimes we need detours when we have to get gas. Sometimes we need detours because there's one we're supposed to meet. So sometimes getting straight to the destination is not the actual best path. You're allowed to honor what something taught you without carrying the whole structure of it forever.


    Lesley Logan 13:05  

    So here's what I want you to do this week because we're closing off this series. And if you have questions about this and we want to do a second part, please let me know where you want me to go with it. We can obviously re-pick this back up. But I want you to take the thing that you named in part one, the thing that you are not sure whether you want to quit or pivot, and I want you to run it through a filter. Am I done with the mission, or am I just done with this method? Am I done with the dream, or am I done with the vehicle? If it's the method, I need you to pick the lever, right? I need you to pick: is it the pace, the format, the offer, the audience, the support, the environment. Pick one and design a small, messy experiment you can run the next two weeks. Not a full build, not a full launch. Just a test. If it's genuinely the whole mission, that's okay. Give yourself a mission to call it complete instead of failed, and let that be enough for now. How can you disentangle yourself from it? Can you just hit pause, right?


    Lesley Logan 13:54  

    So I hope you like this series, Be It babe. I hope this gives you some understanding that we can quit, we can pivot. It is not actually, do we stop doing anything? It's what have I learned? What is this truth? What is this information telling me about who I am, where I'm going, what do I desire, what is my dream, and what do I need to have around me? What pace I need to go out, what support do I need to go at, so that I can adjust to what is going on and continue to grow as a human being? How do I continue to Be It Till I See It with this information? Information is not judgment. It is simply feedback on where you have gone, where you're going, what you want more of, what you want less of. And I hope this series helped you get clear on something that's going on in your life. And I would love to hear. So tell me, send me a message. You can tag me on Instagram. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it, and again, if you want more topics like this, just send them into the beitpod.com/questions. Thank you so much, and until next time, Be It Till You See It.


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  • 742. How to Know When to Quit vs. Pivot

    What are you actually done with? In part one of a two-part series on quitting versus pivoting, Lesley Logan sits with that question before making any big decision. She teaches why quitting is not the same as failing and why the messy middle is part of the process, not proof you picked the wrong thing. Consider this the awareness check before you decide to quit or pivot.


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    In this episode you will learn about:

    • The quitting myth that keeps high achievers stuck in the wrong story.
    • Why the messy middle feels like failure but is actually the process.
    • The ADHD trap of mistaking a novelty crash for real misalignment.
    • Five levers to check before deciding whether to quit or to pivot.
    • What the body reveals about clarity versus panic before any big decision.


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    Lesley Logan 00:00

    You don't want to quit your dream. It's not the dream that you're trying to quit. It's the exhaustion that is going along with it, and that happens, right? We start doing things one way, and so we keep doing it that way, and we think, "Oh my God, if I change it, it's just going to all fall apart." When really, maybe it needs to change so we can keep growing.


    Lesley Logan 00:19

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 01:02

    All right, love, so a little while ago, I caught myself in one of those moods where you just want to quit it all. I'm just, I was working on this email and I was, I am over this. Why am I doing this? Why did I say yes to this? I said yes a long time ago and it made sense. And now I'm in it, and I don't want to be in it anymore. I don't like the schedule that's supporting it. I am just really tired of acting like it's all it was work. This is working, and I think we've all been there before. When it's just months ago, we made decisions. Now we're the person we are. People would blame it on perimenopause, ADHD, whatever, whatever. But the reality is, is when you're in those spaces, you do need to sit before you quit. That's what I did. So I sat with myself. What is the thing that's bothering me the most? Because I really do love what I do. So what about this isn't working? What about this am I actually done with? And that's what I'm talking about today. That's what this episode is about: should we quit or should we pivot?


    Lesley Logan 02:02

    So Be It, babe. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we really do talk about becoming the person who does the thing you really want to do. We do. We talk about doing that because you're going to do it before you're ready. You're going to start acting as if you're that person. You are going to do. You're going to be the person who does the thing, so you can have the thing. It's about instead of waiting to have the thing to be the person, right? But it's complicated. It's hard. So this is part one of a two-part series. We're doing these solo podcasts based on what you've been asking for, what you've really wanted, and we've had lots of interesting questions about quitting. I've definitely have some friends in my life who are literally like quitting. I'm like, are you sure you want to quit-quit? You sure you don't want to just reframe, change the location, change the title? You know, quit-quit? So I thought it would be really interesting just to let's talk about it. Is it time to quit or do we need to pivot? And I know that word pivot is a strong word for those of us who survived 2020. I am the pivot queen when I am in spaces and places, and I hate that and love that about myself because it does make me very hireable. But it is important that we get honest about what is going on in our reality before we make big decisions, because I do find that a lot of women that I know would rather just quit it all and start all over than take some time, take a 30,000-foot view.


    Lesley Logan 03:29

    So let's get into it. Let's talk about it. So first, we have a quitting myth that I want to talk to you about. What I want to really start off with is actually that I find a lot of people will be afraid to quit because they feel like they, that means they failed, and I've definitely experienced this. We made a big transition with Agency several years ago, and originally I was, my god, we failed at this. Like I told myself some stupid story. No, no, no, we did not. We didn't even quit it, right? We actually just pivoted. So, but we got to a place where it had gone as big as it could in that capacity, and I had changed, and the members had changed, and the needs had changed, and technology had changed, and what we have capacity for had changed. And so, you know, it's really important that when you are making these big decisions in your life, that you do not see quitting as failing because they are not the same things.


    Lesley Logan 04:22

    I used to be so afraid to quit jobs because I thought, oh my god, they're not going to like me, or they're going to think I don't like them, or that I didn't think I'm cut out for this or something. Rather than no, I'm just, there's this other thing over here that I need to be challenged with, I need to experience, need to go through, but there is something about those of us who are recovering perfections and overachievers, firstborn daughters. We tend to catastrophize changes on our decisions as if we have somewhat failed or failing people or failing ourselves, and it's just not true. It actually is a really convenient story just to help us be stuck.


    Lesley Logan 05:00

    So, if you are in a space where you're just wanting, you're wanting to quit something, it's information, not a judgment or a verdict or something like that. Just information, and I think the more we can be gatherers of information, so that we can make the best decisions, that's going to make life a lot more fun. It's going to make it easier to be it until we see it. So the distinction I want you to kind of keep in mind as we go through this episode is you don't want to quit your dream. It's not the dream that you're trying to quit. It's the exhaustion that is going along with it, and that happens, right? We start doing things one way, and so we keep doing it that way, and we think, oh my god! If I change it, it's just going to all fall apart. When really, maybe it needs to change so we can keep growing and keep doing it. Right?


    Lesley Logan 05:46

    So, going back to my story about how we changed Agency. If we did not make those changes, agency I could not currently have a version of it. It was becoming so encompassing of my time, and it was keeping me from being able to do the other things that I really dreamt of doing, and so if I didn't make the change, if I didn't quit the, I'm not going to say I was exhausted from it, but just the weight of it on my calendar. Then if I didn't make that change, then I was going to miss out on all the other things I want to do, right? And we have to be honest about those things. So you're not quitting the dream; you are quitting the exhaustion or the way that you're doing that dream, right? And when it's late at night and you are working the midnight oil, as they say, or burning the midnight oil, you know it's really hard to make a distinction between information and a verdict, information and a final, a finality, right? Everything can feel big, and we can catastrophize it. I'm really good at that.


    Lesley Logan 06:43

    If you listen to episode 400 with Gay Hendricks in his book, there is this thing that we all do. We don't all do it, but there's different ways that you pull yourself out of your genius zone to get into your comfort zone. And one of those things is catastrophizing. And so that happens when it's late at night and this thing isn't working and this thing isn't working, and then it's, well, I should just quit, and then it's, well, and all these other things aren't working, and we, it's really hard when we're tired to see things as information and support for where we need to go, and or a guidance as opposed to what it feels like, which is just you failed, but you didn't. So they're not the same thing. It is confusing, you know. I think it's really important that we remember that we get to love the things that we are doing.


    Lesley Logan 07:26

    And if we're not loving the current version of them, we can make a change and it doesn't mean failure finale. So, the next thing I wanna talk about is the messy middle is not a stop sign. So, a lot of people that I coach, they get into the middle of what their dream is and what their thing is that they're doing. And it is messy and it is hard, and sometimes it feels like you're going backwards and not forwards or going down and not up. And if you ever look up the book, "The Messy Middle," it's literally what it's called. It's got this graph on the front and it's got a starting point and an ending point and it goes like a weird rollercoaster. But everything does end up. But it doesn't feel like that 'cause when you're in the middle and you're going up and down and up and down, sometimes you don't realize that you're actually up. You just, you just were down a bit and you didn't realize that like you've been increasingly going up there. So, a lot of people will get into the messy middle, and they won't be getting achieving the things that they are wanting to do quick enough, and so then they think that they're not cut out for this, and that they should quit. And I just want to say, everything I have ever built, including this podcast, is currently in the messy middle because it will be there until I exit, right? But some days are better than others. Some days it feels like some seasons feel like it's all falling apart. Other seasons feel like we can't even keep up with how great it's going. But when it is all feels like it's all falling apart and not working, it can feel like, oh, maybe I should stop, maybe I should quit.


    Lesley Logan 08:54

    And you need to understand that the messy middle is genuinely part of the process. It is where we actually build the muscle we need to go where we're got to to get where we're going to grow to, where we're going to grow our business to, we're going to grow our dreams to. You have to have experiences so you can handle bigger experiences, right? The success you want is really determined based on the problems you're able to solve, and so if you haven't experienced a problem, it's hard to know how to solve that, so it's going to be something you have to do. And so it's better to learn that in the messy middle than try to get to the end. So I just want to say, your brain will start to go off the feelings and the vibes. You got to have data. You got to have data, and you have appointments with yourself to have the data, so that you can make a confident decision about pivoting or quitting, right? And, you know, we all know this, but it's worth discussing. Decision fatigue is a real thing. And so when you're overwhelmed, your brain wants to reduce mental load, and quitting looks like the fastest exit. But burnout does the same thing. It makes everything feel impossible, even the things you still care about. So the messy middle isn't proof you picked the wrong thing. Sometimes it's just proof that you're just freaking tired. And it's okay to be tired because a lot of us will do a lot of things on our own, and think we don't have the time to hire, outsource, or can't afford this course or this class, and so we do things kind of the harder way. And there is a lot of support now. And so sometimes that proof that you're just tired is a good place to be so that you can actually change the things that you're doing so that you can keep going on the journey but be less tired. So just keep that in mind that, sometimes you're overwhelmed, and so you feel like, "Well, I should just quit." Overwhelmed is not a bad thing, you know? There's gonna be days you're underwhelmed, there's gonna be days you're overwhelmed. We really have to be mindful about just going off of vibes and then being harsh on ourselves. 


    Lesley Logan 10:47

    And we can add on to this because if you have an ADHD brain like I do, like a lot of you do, because we attract each other, something that we have to be mindful of, and this is something that my coaches have been really helpful with is our brains crave novelty and stimulation. So if a project or goal we are working on stops being new and starts being in that maintenance messy middle, then our brain doesn't get stimulated from it, and it can read it as it's not working when actually we're just in a boredom state because we lack stimulation. We lack the hormones that keep our brains focused, and so it's not misalignment. And so something that I have to really ask myself: I'm like, am I craving a dopamine high? Can I go for a run? Can I play with my puppy before I want to quit something that feels unexciting for someone that is exciting? Is this my ADHD ruling the show, or is this my actual conscious decision of who I want to be until I see it? And so I hope that really makes sense. Is this the ADHD, or is this real life? Right? Is it? What's going on there? And sometimes that means I do go for, when I do try to get the dopamine high, or I do take my medication, and then it's, oh, okay, I see. We were just a little bit bored.


    Lesley Logan 12:04

    So that leads us to our third segment, which is asking better questions. So before you quit anything, instead of asking, "Should I stay or should I go?" Ask what part is actually not working. If you're to look at everything, right? So we're looking at this podcast, for example, and I was just, you know, it's been six years. I feel, you know, in three years since we went to three episodes, I feel like it's really time to review everything. So it's not the question was not should I quit the podcast. The question is what about this podcast is working? What about this podcast do people love? What about what do the stats say about each of the episodes? What would make me really enjoy it like I did at the very beginning? What do I still enjoy? What parts of it am I not enjoying? So instead of we're done, it's no, no, no. What do we need to change? What needs to reframe, reorganize, redo, refiness, get rid of, so that we can continue to grow. So, ways to ask yourself and in your situation is: Is it the pace? Is it going too slow or too fast? Is it the pressure? Is that pressure from you, an outside source? Is it the people? Maybe you've gone as far as you can with the people that you're with. That happens. It's not personal. You know, it really does suck to let go of people or replace people with somebody else, but we're doing some work on our YouTube channel. I love our team, and I love our team in general. It doesn't matter the department, but I do love our YouTube team. They've done a really great job with what I want, and I want more. So I brought someone in, not to replace them, but to guide them to the next stage, right? Because I think it's important for us to always examine what's working, what's not working, where do we want to go, and is this, do we have the skill sets for where we want to grow, or do we need to bring them in? So is it the plan, right? Did you start with a map that actually wasn't finished, or did you make a plan based on information, and then halfway through, you got new information. So you're operating on an old plan, but with new information, right? Is it the support you have or you don't have? Maybe you don't have it. I said I hired someone to help me with where I want to go with my YouTube channel.


    Lesley Logan 14:12

    Is it the expectation you've set for yourself and what is supposed to happen? Have you changed your goals in your life? One of my girlfriends is retiring from what she has been doing, and it's interesting when people change their lives in different ways. It does force you to kind of examine what you're doing, and it's kind of nice because then, oh, what am I jealous of from her? What am I envious? What's what am I? Oh, I could never do that because I love this. All that is information that really helps you understand what's working in your life, and then what needs to be altered, exchanged, changed up, supported, hired out. Right. So, if it is pace, pressure, people, plan, or support, then those are five different problems with different solutions, and we don't even need to ask ourselves, "Should I quit?" Because it's not about quitting; it's actually about change, working with different levers, and we just can't see that in the moment because oftentimes we were thinking about this at the worst time of our fueled self when we haven't had enough sleep and when we are completely overwhelmed and exhausted, so it's really important that we, you know, give ourselves space and a place to review things from a 30,000-foot view and not so emotionally when when that happens. And that's really hard, I know.


    Lesley Logan 15:33

    So the next thing I want to get into for should I quit or should I pivot is your body already knows something, and this is something I really have had to. I really learned the hard way. I will say that every time I got a somewhat boyfriend in my life, I got immediately sick, really sick. Different kinds of sickness, just different kinds of colds, really. But in the summertime, when no one gets sick, so my body was allergic to them, and I should have taken that as a hint. But you know it takes time. So here is something that I think we have to trust. We have to learn to trust is that your body, our bodies, often know before our brain can articulate. If you were to ask yourself, "Should I quit?" and your body doesn't feel instantly calm. In fact, it feels panicked or frustrated. Then it's probably not quitting. But is it that I don't want to work weekends anymore? Yeah, that feels really good. So your body often can let you in on how you're feeling, even if your brain hasn't fully articulated it yet. So I want you to be paying attention. Does your body feel like it's in panic mode? Does it feel heavy? Do you feel relief or clarity or spaciousness? You know, when I was when Brad and I were talking about making just a few changes, the podcast, I could tell as we were going. Should we do this? Should we do this? I could feel. Oh, that doesn't make me excited. Oh my god, that makes me feel so excited. Oh, I love this. Oh, I'm so excited for that. And as my body was feeling that joy and excitement, it really let me know that okay, this is the path we want to go. Which I, my brain could not have articulated that with the start of the meeting. That's not what my brain knew. You know, I had to really take some time and think up some ideas, and it's okay to still throw ideas out there. There's no bad idea in a brainstorm, right?


    Lesley Logan 17:16

    So it is the sensations that give us different information. Relief and spaciousness often point towards something that's actually complete and feeling really good. Panic and urgency often point towards fear or towards avoidance, or that can be dressed up as a decision. And that is tricky. Intuition and avoidance can almost feel identical at first, and it's why we have that whole series on regulation and listening to yourself. So go back and listen to them because if you're dysregulated, then it can be really tricky to listen to your body, and you can take something as fear and I'm going to feel it anyways when it's actually, ooh, that doesn't feel good. But you were dysregulated, so how you weren't able to read the signals correctly. So I understand that getting to know yourself and listen to your body sometimes can create panic, and it can be hard to listen to that intuition, and again, we have those episodes on listening to yourself and the intuition and where it comes from. It comes from experience, right? So, if you're new to listening to yourself, it is going to take some time. That means if you're before you quit something, before you pivot, you really need to take some time to understand what your body is telling you, so you can lean on your intuition. You can't. I don't want anyone listening to this podcast make rash decisions and go, "Oh god. I mean, it's not like you can't go back. Sometimes you can, but wouldn't it be nice if you just took a little bit longer to really feel into yourself about what it is that you are doing, what is it you're needing? I don't want you to go, "Oh my god, I'm so dramatic." You're not dramatic, right? It's just that your body's having a hard time understanding clarity versus urgency, right? It can be hard to feel when something is loud in your brain.


    Lesley Logan 18:48

    So, next time you feel like spiraling, please, please, please do not make a permanent decision from that temporary state. If you can, I need you to sleep on it. I need you to go, if you can't sleep, it's too early in the day. I need you to go move your body. I need you to do something to get regulated, and then find a space, a place, a journal, a person where you can actually just ask yourself these questions, so that you don't make a permanent decision from a temporary state. Because it could just be temporary. If you go far out on the block, you feel better. Then we don't even need to do a decision. There's nothing to make. You just needed, you just needed some dopamine. You need some air. You need some vitamin D. Before we wrap things up, we have a couple more things. I do want to talk about the sunk cost trap because I do think that some people will stick with something and not quit because of all the time and money they've put into it. And I just want to say that is a real thing.


    Lesley Logan 19:40

    And the name of it is called the sunk cost fallacy. Many people have stayed in relationships because of how much time they have together. People keep friends around. People keep working on a project 'cause they spent a lot of money on it. We have invested in things, and it didn't go well, and we just kept doing calls with them. And I'm like, just let's just walk away from the fucking money, you know?


    Lesley Logan 19:58

    Because it's every hour we spend with them is an hour we're not doing something else that is making us money, and that didn't work. And so, but you know, it's we people, the human body and brain is conditioned to not lose money versus go make it. So, just want to say, if you are in a space where afraid to make a decision about quitting or pivoting because you've been investing so much time, I think it is really, really important to make sure that you're differentiating what we talked about at the beginning of this episode, which is quitting is not failing. It is if you find yourself going, "I should have known better. I'm embarrassed. Oh my god, I'm an idiot." All that stuff is is probably a sign that you're in judgment. Well, you are in judgment, but that you're in that sunk cost fallacy, and so you're kind of sticking things out, you do want to get to yourself to a place of you know what I learned what I needed to learn here, and I'm complete because that's what a lot of things are. A lot of things are just learning lessons, and we can just end it, right? And ending things does not mean that they are a failure. It's information. It's feedback, right?


    Lesley Logan 20:57

    So some endings are complete, others are often like a setup for where you're going to go. You know, everyone thinks that things are a setback, but have you ever seen how you do a bow and arrow? You pull back to go forward, right? So just know that sometimes we stick with things because we have spent so much time and money, we feel like we have a lot to lose when really we've gotten the lessons, the network, the people, the places that we need to go, and it's time to move forward. And then we got information from that that will set us up for what we want to do. So I want to leave you with this because I do think that a lot of times we don't realize how brave we are, and that we often think that quitting is not courageous or brave, but it can be. Also, it can be very brave to stay in the middle, and it can be very courageous to sit in a little discomfort a little longer because the mission is still alive, and you're not, you don't have enough information to make a change, and the change is not to quit.


    Lesley Logan 21:58

    Sometimes the brave thing is telling the truth that this is done, you're not a failure, but it's it's not quitting. It's not shame. It's just the end. We ended that book. So I just want to say that bravery and courageousness can look like staying and getting more information. It can look like pivoting because you have the information. It can look like quitting because you've completed the task that you can in this stage, and I just I think it really it really does take guts to think about that and to do that, and I I really do hope that you see that too.


    Lesley Logan 22:31

    So I I like to give you some journal prompts with these episodes. I hope you like that. Let me know if this is silly, Lesley. Why are we doing this? Because I do want you to learn to listen to yourself, and my verbiage might not be the same words you would use, but I want you to grab your journal or open up your notes app, and I want you to do what am I actually done with? What am I actually done with? It's really funny. I'm recording this on the 9/9 portal, and you're supposed to write nine things that you're not taking with you. And so, even though you're listening, that's not on 9/9. I honestly think it's really important. What am I actually done with?


    Lesley Logan 23:02

    Be specific, not this whole thing, but the actual part, the actual piece. I'm done with taking phone calls before 8 a.m. I'm done with people having access to my personal line. I'm done with emails from people who simply could Google the answer, right? What am I done with? Then the next question you're going to journal on is, when I imagine walking away, what does my body do? Do I panic, or do I feel space? So imagine yourself quitting, walking away, being done with whatever the specific thing is, and how does that feel?


    Lesley Logan 23:39

    The next question is, am I making this decision from a space of clarity, or am I making this from a state of spiral or panic, urgency, frustration? And I don't need you to rush your answer. You might even just ask yourself the question: Go for a walk. Your brain loves an open loop, but we're going to build on that for part two. And I think awareness is key for being able to do our next move. And so we're gonna in part two. We're gonna really dive into, you know, is it a pivot? Is a real goodbye? Is it a pivot or a real goodbye?


    Lesley Logan 24:12

    And so, you know, that's part one. That's what I want to kick you off with. So I hope that gives you something to think about for the next couple days before we come back with our second episode in the series. And I love if something, you know, if something I said here really helped you. I would love for you to screenshot this episode, share it on the social feeds that you use, share this text to a friend who needs to hear it. Maybe someone in your life who is going through something and just really wondering: Is it time to quit? Is it time to pivot? This podcast grows because you share it, so please do. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 24:42

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 25:24

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 25:29

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 25:34

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 25:41

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 25:44

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.


    Lesley Logan 25:57

    All right, Be It babe. We're gonna talk about something.


    Lesley Logan 26:05

    Ask and you shall receive.


    Lesley Logan 26:07

    I love how you have time to fix a table. Okay, great.


    Lesley Logan 26:11

    Thank you.



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    26m - Oct 6, 2026
  • 741. Why Saying No Actually Earns You More Respect

    A frustrating hair day turns into a real lesson in boundaries when a teammate knows exactly when to step aside. Lesley Logan explains why honoring limits builds deeper trust, and why the person who says no is often worth keeping close. She also celebrates listener wins around consistency and guilt-free rest, proof that showing up and slowing down both count.


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    In this episode you will learn about:

    • Frustrating hair routine highlights the need for simpler solutions.
    • Recognizing limits and handing the job to the right person.
    • Consistent weekly movement routines worth sharing.
    • Sleeping in is rest, not a screw up to apologize for.
    • Lesley's mantra of week to carry into the weekend.


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 


    Brad Crowell 0:01  

    Fuck yeah! 


    Lesley Logan 0:02  

    Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 


    Lesley Logan 0:47  

    Hey, Be It babe. How are you? Welcome back to our Friday episodes. Oh my gosh. Okay, so this Friday you're hearing this, and I'm about to go into a whirlwind of trains, planes, and automobiles. So we are praying to the travel gods that everything goes well, but today is also a Fuck Yeah Friday, which means we get to vent a little bit, and you get to share some wins, and you get a mantra, and get on your day, and that means I get to share your wins. And so when you send them into the beitpod.com/questions, it really helps because then I can share it with you on the date you might need to hear. You might be stuck in traffic and going, "Oh my god, that's a win I had a month ago, thank God, I'm being reminded of that. Right. Before we get into your win, because being in my communities, you know, you can vent, but you have to have a win. So I'm gonna tell you right now, my hair looks really good on this video if you're watching it. But I've been annoyed with my hair because it feels like it only looks good the day I wash it. It air dries so cute, and then it's a tangled mess, and then I brush it, and then it's never cute again. Don't even come at me with your spray bottles. I've tried them all. I've bought everything that's for type two A hair, aka Irish hair. I've tried everything. It doesn't work, so I'm just frustrated because I just want to have pretty hair without spending an hour on it every day. My makeup only takes eight minutes, right? So, anyways, here's what happened that's a win, my hairdresser, my love, and I was like, "Can we like shave my head? Can we cut it off? Can we do this? And she's, "No, no, no, no, no." And then finally, the girl who cuts hair next to her was wonderful. And I've talked to her every time I come in. I love her. She said, "My hairdresser, who does my hair, dyes my hair. She's cutting your hair. She's going to be the one that does it. She's doing it. And so that girl's, "When am I seeing you? Okay when I get back from tour. So after I record this, I am going to get my hair cut by someone who is going to do a great job. And I love my girl who dyes my hair, but she really truly wants someone else to cut it, and I respect that. Like I actually truly respect that. I think that is so amazing. So a win is also that I have an amazing team around me. Who is I'm not the person who's doing this for you. And I love that she has boundaries like that, so that's a win for her as well. 


    Lesley Logan 2:44  

    All right, your win is from @cori_ca111, "I did a reformer workout 3 times this week, with one of your YouTube freebies." I love reading that. I'm glad you got to enjoy. We've got a couple reformer workouts on there. They're old. You guys have to go look for them, but they exist, so put new ones out every week on OPC. But way to get three in a week-that is amazing. And then this one is from @home_grown_pilates, "I got to sleep in. It was fabulous." I love that you are treating that as a win because I do think so many people go, "Oh, I slept in, I screwed up, and you're like, "Oh my god, it was fabulous! Like way to celebrate taking care of you. 


    Lesley Logan 3:20  

    All right, loves. So the Be It Pod is here for you. It's here to support you. It's here to give you some great ideas for how to be it till you see it. Acting more like the person you want to be before waiting for it to be there. And I just hope that this is so helpful. So please let us know what your favorite takeaways are. What topics do you want us to make sure we're doing episodes on because we are actively finding guests on specific topics you've reached out to us about, and also done doing some solo episodes. 


    Lesley Logan 3:45  

    And here is your mantra: "I am enough just as I am. I'm enough just as I am. Be It babe, you are enough just as you are. Go have an amazing, amazing weekend. Thank you so much. I'll talk to you soon. Oh, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 


    Lesley Logan 4:01  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 4:44  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. 


    Lesley Logan 4:49  

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 4:53  

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. 


    Lesley Logan 5:00  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 5:04  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time. 




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    5m - Oct 2, 2026
  • 740. The Simple Way to Stop Self-Judgment

    Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down the conversation with Jamie Lerner, a well-being therapist and author who left psychotherapy after watching clients use their past as the excuse that kept them stuck. They dig into why society rewards women for wearing the busy badge, what it actually means to look inward, and the internal compass Jamie says everyone is born with.


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    And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.


    In this episode you will learn about:

    • How society rewards women who put themselves last and stay overworked.
    • Brad unpacks the inner knowing Jamie calls a natural internal compass.
    • Five minutes of silence outside as the practice of looking inward.
    • Laughing when you judge others reveals what you actually want yourself.
    • Setting aside ten minutes daily for lovingly curious questions.


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    I actually don't think it's bad to be jealous. I think it is bad to judge yourself for being jealous and not actually taking a moment to know why. What about that thing is making me have the grass is greener?


    Lesley Logan 0:11  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:54  

    Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the insightful convo I had with Jamie Lerner in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one, and then come back and join us, or you can just listen all the way through and then just let your podcast play that one. 


    Brad Crowell 1:11  

    You can start at episode one. We're only 740 in right now.


    Lesley Logan 1:15  

    I know. I mean, so many. It's so many. Today is October 1st 2026. It is ADHD Awareness Month, and you are listening to two ADHD hosts. By the way, just so you know, when we record these, the Adderall is worn off, so.


    Brad Crowell 1:29  

    That's also true.


    Lesley Logan 1:30  

    It's all we don't ever record when we are medicated. So because that would be that would make too much sense. But ADHD Awareness Month shines a light on Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder throughout October. This vital observance, spearheaded by organizations like Attention Deficit Disorder Association, aims to educate the public, reduce stigma, and champion effective treatments. Join the conversation, share resources, and support those navigating life with ADHD. I just want to tell you guys, it's not like a trend to go get diagnosed. If you think that you that's what's going on with you. You should do it because there are really great tools and systems that you can use. You don't have to take Adderall. There's other options. There's other systems you could put in place. But it has been really quite helpful to understand what's ADHD and what's just tired and what's whatever. And oh, I'm going on a dopamine high. Let's adopt a dog. You know, decisions like that. But I highly recommend it. And then the other thing I just want to add is I listened to this really wonderful clip where this woman said that the title ADHD is not really the best because it's what it is is it's a regulation disorder. People with ADHD have a hard time regulating in general. So like we go on highs and lows and highs and lows because it's really hard to regulate. I really like the example of you know those of you who listen to the podcast. Most of you understand, in the 80s and 90s there were those pens that had red, green, black, blue, right?


    Brad Crowell 2:50  

    Sure.


    Lesley Logan 2:51  

    So a neurotypical person will think red, click red, use red, finish the red, right? A neurodivergent person. 


    Brad Crowell 3:00  

    Is that what they'll do?


    Lesley Logan 3:00  

    Yeah, a neurodivergent person with ADHD will go. I had five ideas, all five pen, all five colors at the same time. That's how their brain works. And I thought that if you don't understand what that's like, you that I think it's a good visual. So, anyways, if you hear chewing in the background, that's Darla, and we're gonna let her do it because it keeps her busy, otherwise. 


    Brad Crowell 3:19  

    That's her ADHD (inaudible) also, too, my understanding is that ADHD presents itself slightly differently between men and women, and it's really coming out strong as. 


    Lesley Logan 3:34  

    The largest number of women are going through perimenopause at the same time.


    Brad Crowell 3:37  

    Yes, that is the point I was ultimately trying to eloquently get to, that I am not a woman to be able to say that, but that's happening right now, and so it might be that you have ADHD undiagnosed and don't know it. And if you're thinking, "Oh my god, I can't fucking think anymore, maybe it's because of this, and it's worth going to talk to someone about it. We did, and it was hilarious. Lesley's already told the story, but in five minutes, the psychiatrist was, "Yeah, you have ADHD. I'm giving you boom. You know, you're good. Let's go.


    Lesley Logan 4:10  

    And Brad and I did.


    Brad Crowell 4:11  

    I had to do a friggin' test.


    Lesley Logan 4:12  

    You did all the tests. I was. I don't have time for these tests.


    Brad Crowell 4:16  

    I had to go do a whole computer exam and the whole nine. I mean, I'm glad I did, but also I was. I gotta go all the way back out here to this place. I mean it's like 20 minutes away, but it felt like forever. Anyway, I'm very happy that I am formally diagnosed, and it has been interesting to to be taking medication for something like this because I I just always assumed that I was just getting older and my brain wasn't working the way that it used to, and that's true, I think. But also, I wonder. I don't know. I felt very productive and you know cogent when I was younger, and then things just started to slip away for me, and I just associated that with all the things that happened in my life and. 


    Lesley Logan 4:55  

    Maybe you're going through perimenopause.


    Brad Crowell 4:56  

    Yeah, I must be. I mean, I think I think that's it.


    Brad Crowell 5:00  

    That's the conclusion. I don't even know how I didn't come to that conclusion. 


    Lesley Logan 5:02  

    You know what I will say is the psychiatrist was really thoughtful. She said, "Look, she says what you'll have to understand about yourself is it's you versus the ADHD, and if you can really understand what's me and what's ADHD, it will really help you. As is a child where my ADHD was fully showing up, and people, oh, you're just not applying yourself. Oh, you're just being you're procrastinating. Oh, this, and so really, I'll be completely honest. I actually had a moment of being fucking pissed off because I think my life would be completely different had someone just diagnosed me earlier. Instead, I went my whole life masking, and then I got to a place where my hormones weren't helping me mask anymore, and I was tired of masking. And then I was just a fucking cunt. I was just mean. I was irritable. And now, when I am taking the medication and I'm focused and I'm irritable, I actually know that I am actually irritated. Versus, oh, this is just my. I'm tired. My brain is not able to operate, which means watch the fuck out because now I know.


    Brad Crowell 6:03  

    Now we know.


    Lesley Logan 6:04  

    Now we know. Now we know. And I'm a January Aquarius, and so some of it is we're tired. We're ready. We're moving on. Anyways, moving on. There's a lot of a lot of events and travel. So upLift is our teacher training program. You probably have heard the rumor. It's been something they've been whispering about. But my teacher training program for new teachers or partially trained teachers is called upLift, and it is going to start early next year in many different cities. If you want to know which cities that are going to be in.


    Brad Crowell 6:27  

    Probably around the world, in fact.


    Lesley Logan 6:29  

    That's our goal. That's our goal. At the time we're recording this, I'm looking at the applications right now, and I have some really epic educators that have applied that I'm really excited about. We're working really hard to make sure that next year is the right time for them, but you want to go to xxll.co/uws xxll.co/uws. If you are what are what is this all. 


    Brad Crowell 6:51  

    That's for upLift waitlist


    Lesley Logan 6:53  

    student


    Brad Crowell 6:54  

    student


    Lesley Logan 6:54  

    and you can blame Brad. So go there because I'm updating that waitlist monthly, and those are the people the people who will hear about the locations first. You won't have to wait for the Instagram algorithm to show you something. eLevate is for those who are already trained and you're looking for more of a master's program to study amongst other teachers, and you want to directly study with me. You can look at our live Q and A call that we did earlier this summer. I guess it's at lesleylogan.co/elevate. I will just tell you, we're recording this not when you're hearing it, and at the time of recording, there are two spots left in 2028, and 10 applications that at any time someone could go, yes, I'm ready, but don't let that stop you. Check it out. See, you might get the last spot if that's what you're looking for. Also, eLevate grads are the people who right now can apply to be an upLift educator. So if you were oh I want to be one of those educators, you must have gone through upLift at this time. So check that out. The flashcards. If you didn't know, maybe you love OPC or you're not ready to be an OPC member yet, but you are wanting to study with me, and like the other options are just not what you need right now. You can be a Pilates lover of any level. You can be a teacher of any background. And when you buy the OPC flashcards, you're actually supporting the Nevada SPCA, which is where we got Miss Darla. Go to opc.me/flashcards. We have six decks in there in the set, and they're wonderful. And they're edited by a contemporary trained instructor with contemporary equipment, and they are edited by my sister-in-law, who's never done Pilates. So anyone can read them. And then we have heard so many times people don't know where the posters are. Go to opc.me/posters. Okay, wow, this is a lot of talking. Really quickly, we are headed to Sacramento literally next week, and it's sold out. So you, too bad, so sad. You missed. If you don't have a ticket, you're. We're not seeing you there.


    Brad Crowell 8:36  

    Sacramento because Balanced Body is having a Pilates On Tour. It's also their 50th anniversary celebration.


    Lesley Logan 8:41  

    You can hang out with me at another 50th celebration, but stay tuned for that. We are going to go from Sacramento by another train to San Francisco. I think this sounds like a terrible idea, but this is what we're doing to fly to Cambodia to lead our retreat. And it was definitely an ADHD planned moment, and now we're going to live it.


    Brad Crowell 9:00  

    Oh we're living it.


    Lesley Logan 9:01  

    We're living it. Just thinking about the return trip home. So here's the deal, guys. We're driving to Sacramento with the van.


    Brad Crowell 9:07  

    Which is nine and a half hours.


    Lesley Logan 9:08  

    Nine and a half hours. Okay, sounds fun because it's so much easier than shipping the flashcards. It costs us so much fucking money to do that. 


    Brad Crowell 9:15  

    It's also trying to get the van at the event.


    Lesley Logan 9:18  

    Yeah, but it's not gonna. 


    Brad Crowell 9:21  

    We're gonna park that right out front. We're we're putting that in they're gonna they're gonna valet park that sucker right in front of the entrance.


    Lesley Logan 9:28  

    I know Brad's gonna figure that out because the event is not at their headquarters. 


    Brad Crowell 9:31  

    No, it's at the Hyatt or something. 


    Lesley Logan 9:32  

    It's like a thing, right? Yeah. So, anyways, I'll let you figure that out because I that's not my monkey, not my circus. Then we'll be at the event. Then we're gonna park that van at Ken Endelman's house, supposedly, which we have no idea where that is in regards to the Amtrak. We have to take an Amtrak. Hopefully, there's one left. We take the Amtrak to a BART before the BART shut down on a Sunday night. From the BART to our hotel, and then the next morning we fly out of San Francisco. Part of me is just throw money at this problem and park the van somewhere in San Francisco, but it's San Francisco, and I'm a little worried someone's going to move in. So we're not doing that. Not doing that. So, then. 


    Brad Crowell 10:08  

    No, if we're going to throw money at the problem, we're hiring a private driver from Sacramento.


    Lesley Logan 10:11  

    That's a great idea. But here's what's going to happen: we return back, and we have to do the reverse trip, you guys, we have to go BART to Amtrak, Amtrak to the van, and then a nine and a half hour drive home. And this is the part that I don't think my husband has thought through. So you're hearing it first here. I think he is too. So if you want to go to Cambodia next year, when we're not doing planes, trains, and automobiles, you can get on the wait list. I don't know the link for that. Brad will tell you.


    Brad Crowell 10:39  

    crowsnestretreats.com


    Lesley Logan 10:41  

    Great. January is when we'll open up the early bird. We have so many people interested in 2027. I promise you do not want to wait. 


    Brad Crowell 10:48  

    We had a lot of interest, especially from this summer tour that we just got back from. A lot of interest, and I'm telling you, this past year's trip sold out in three weeks, and I'm sure this one is going to do the same or even faster.


    Lesley Logan 11:02  

    Yeah. Then in November, I'm teaching at basically a Pilates On Tour, but in China, outside of Shanghai, I can't tell you how you're going to sign up for that. But I feel I feel like if you Google it, it will happen. They are not. They've not sent me a link for you. So, but people are excited.


    Brad Crowell 11:17  

    You can find it online.


    Lesley Logan 11:18  

    I'm sure you can. I'm sure you're all here. I'm sure you can all Google, but then because I'm a crazy person, I'm gonna go back to Asia two weeks later to teach at Pilates On Tour Goa.


    Brad Crowell 11:30  

    Which is India.


    Lesley Logan 11:31  

    Yeah, it is India. I think people know Goa. It looks stunning, you guys. And this particular POT, it's the last one of the 50th year celebration, and when you, it's very different because we all have lunch together. It's more like a retreat style. You are there for the whole event. You are going to go to Instagram Pilates On Tour India, and you can sign up through there because.  


    Brad Crowell 11:54  

    It's not on the POT page. It's not on Balanced Body's website.


    Lesley Logan 11:57  

    I mean, you know what? It might be.


    Brad Crowell 11:58  

    It is. It's xxll.co/pot


    Lesley Logan 12:00  

    Okay, do that. What do I know? I'm just the. 


    Brad Crowell 12:02  

    I'm sure it's on there.


    Lesley Logan 12:03  

    You guys, today is October 1st, which means the tickets drop today for the winter tour. So do not miss out. Go to opc.me/tour because.


    Brad Crowell 12:12  

    By the way, if you didn't hear what she just said, the winter tour tickets have just dropped today.


    Lesley Logan 12:19  

    Today, today, today, and we, it's going to be a very big tour. I'm actually flying from Goa to Denver, which doesn't make any sense now that I know the route. I'm coming through Europe, so I probably should have met you in New York. 


    Brad Crowell 12:34  

    Yeah, we're not. We're not doing that. You're coming as close to home as possible, but yeah, we're going to pick her up in in in Denver, and then go from there. But it's exciting to see the route is coming together. We're almost done. I can tell you the first half of the tour is going to take us from we're going to do Fort Collins or just south. There's a smaller town just south of Fort Collins. That's going to be the first tour stop. It's going to go up. There's a couple of stops on the way to Chicago, and there's a bunch more stops on the way to Boston, and then we're gonna scoop back around through New York and then Hershey, we're coming back to you.


    Lesley Logan 13:06  

    We love Hershey. You love us. 


    Brad Crowell 13:09  

    Then we're going down East Coast, but we're gonna cut over to Charlotte, North Carolina, and then we're gonna make our way down to Florida and then back across the country. So those are still TBD. We're working out the-the logistics and all the things. 


    Lesley Logan 13:22  

    By the time you're hearing this, it's worked out.


    Brad Crowell 13:24  

    Oh yeah, it's worked out. Just go to OPC.me/tour. What am I talking about?


    Lesley Logan 13:27  

    We're actually just recording this in the past.


    Brad Crowell 13:30  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 13:31  

    Before it has been because that's how we do life. Okay, we got to move on.


    Brad Crowell 13:34  

    Let's go. Let's go.


    Lesley Logan 13:35  

    So real quick, you guys, as you know, October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and we wanted to spotlight a a project that we actually know the founder of very well. We know Pilates instructors who are part of it. So it's a nonprofit built by the Pilates community, founded in 2012 by Pilates instructor Jill Hinson after she saw firsthand how quickly Reformer work helped two clients recover from breast cancer surgery to regain their strength and mobility. So it's the Core Compassion Project, and realized that most people who could benefit from Pilates couldn't afford it. So, especially when they're going through cancer treatment. So, Core Compassion provides Pilate scholarships to breast cancer patients and survivors. $700 funds 10 private one-on-one sessions with a certified instructor who's specifically trained in post-cancer rehab, which is very important. You can't just show up to any Pilates studio and expect them to be able to support you during this journey, you definitely want someone who understands because they'll probably need what they can also provide is free specialized fitness bras and lymphedema compression sleeves, and then things which are things like survivors are needing, but the insurance doesn't cover most times. Doesn't cover a lot of things anymore. It's 100% volunteer run with a board that includes past scholarship recipients, and every October they rally the Pilates community together through their Compassion MATraiser, where studios and teachers host donation-based classes to fund the mission. If you are a Pilates person listening to this, and probably you are, this is your charity. So find more at corecompassionproject.org, or if you're just someone who wants to support women who are going through this and need this, it's at corecompassionproject.org. Obviously, if you don't have, you can also just supply $5. I mean, they'll take it, I'm sure. So, but $700 gets you gets that person 10 one-on-one sessions, which is really wonderful for someone who can understand what they're going through. So, anyways, if you have a charity you'd like us to look into, or you have a win that you want me to talk about on the FYFs, you can text us at 310-905-5534 or submit it at beitpod.com/questions. Yeah, okay, we're ready to talk about Jamie Lerner, finally.


    Brad Crowell 15:32  

    Woo!


    Brad Crowell 15:34  

    Welcome back. Let's talk about Jamie Lerner. Jamie is a well-being therapist and an author. She helps people get from where they are to where they want to be. After years as a psychotherapist, Jamie realized that having people look back at their past was not helping them move forward. Instead, it was becoming the very excuse that kept them stuck. So she walked away and looked within, discovering that her superpower was her own inner knowing about her own life, and she was trying to figure out how to explain that to others, how they can get back to that themselves. So today, she teaches people to trust themselves, take personal responsibility, and get lovingly curious about their own inner being. So, she wrote a book. It's called The Ever Loving Essence of You. You can find it on Amazon. She also has a service called The Quickie, which is her texting service where you can buy a package of time and text back and forth with her. Those links are going to be in the show notes. But she clearly has been through the psychotherapy couch sessions and was I'm over this myself. I'm I'm going to help people in a different way. It was really cool.


    Lesley Logan 16:38  

    I can't even imagine because I have to be honest. I can't even have friends who repeat themselves and stick get stuck. Like it really, it takes everything in me to listen to someone complain about the same thing for the third time. I cannot. So I could not ever have that job. And she said we we often live in a this victim mentality, and that society actively rewards women for being the victim by putting ourselves last and being overworked, and so it's true because everyone just wears the busy badge, right? I've got the busy badge of honor over here, and look how busy I am, look how tired I am, and look at all the things that I've done. And then guess what, you guys? Let's guess what they're gonna do. When you fail, then they're gonna call you controlling, emotional, emotional perfectionist, some control freak. So you can't win, but it's a false belief that all these other things are more important than our own well-being, and we use, she said, we use being busy as an excuse, choosing to hide behind it simply because we do not know how to include ourselves in self-care, and I think this is really key because I meet so many people who say, well, so it must be so nice for you because you have the time. You don't have kids, so you must have the time. You're right. I don't have kids. I don't have kids. We have two dogs, so I don't. They're not the same. But also, we're very busy. We have three companies plus a fourth in a different country. We have hundreds of members. We have dozens of people on our team. We have a different version of responsibilities. And if I do not take care of myself, I am not going to be able to do these things.


    Brad Crowell 18:06  

    Yeah, we we have a different definition of busy, and it doesn't involve you know kids and soccer games.


    Lesley Logan 18:10  

    I would say different definition of responsibility. We have different responsibilities. So, but I.  


    Brad Crowell 18:15  

    I guess we have a we have the same we have we have the same I'm busy excuse, but just in a different manner.


    Lesley Logan 18:21  

    Yeah, but I also, but I really do think that she is correct that we went. Okay, this. Well, I'm glad that we're re-recording this. You guys, this is the second time we record this. We recorded this before tour, and now we're back from tour. And we were in a city. I will not name the city, but we were in a city, and it was, we walked into a restaurant, which, by the way, the team did not tell me that there's probably a dress code. So I walk in, in cutoff shorts and an oversized T-shirt, with my bright red platform Crocs, okay, so I look like hell, and it was definitely the Real Housewives of that city kind of a restaurant. And we got stuck next to this table of the Real Housewives from that city, and I, five minutes of eavesdropping to their table, and I was, "Brad, I fucking cannot. If this is what having friendships like this is supposed to be about in a city, thank God we don't have kids. I could not." All they did was talk about, oh, it was how's your mom, and then the only reason they would listen is if their mom was sick. Oh, how's your kid? If you talked about your kids doing great, they didn't know what to say, so then they said, "Oh, well, she's struggling with this. Oh my god, mine too. Everyone, the conversation only kept going, and you were only rewarded for what you said if it was all negative and you were a victim and something was wrong. My goodness, you know what my favorite conversations with my friends are, is what they celebrate. Oh, I slayed this. Yeah, I bet you did. I love those conversations. So, anyways, but that's how people are rewarded, and then they get rewarded for putting themselves last because they're definitely looked at badly if they put themselves first by those people. But I would say there's a whole group of people like me who are ready to celebrate you putting yourself first. So, and Jamie, that's what Jamie wants.


    Brad Crowell 19:58  

    And Jamie. Absolutely. One thing I loved that Jamie said was that we are all born with a knowing, which acts as like a natural internal compass. This is very foreign idea to me. I did not grow up with anyone explaining that I could look inwardly and I could understand what I'm feeling and if something is right or wrong for me. You know, it's just not how I was raised.


    Lesley Logan 20:22  

    So I wasn't raised that way, but I know I had this, and that's why I felt like a weirdo, and that's why I was getting like I would get in trouble because the inner knowing was the compass. I don't actually know where East and West is, but I know what felt good, and that what people were wanting me to do did not feel good. Yeah, I didn't know how to do it. I didn't know what I was doing, so I was just.


    Brad Crowell 20:39  

    I definitely wasn't a people-pleaser. I was definitely the rebel, and I did the rebel. 


    Lesley Logan 20:44  

    Yeah, I would say you have an inner knowing. You wore ridiculous clothes every single day. 


    Brad Crowell 20:48  

    Yeah, but it was a little bit of like an FU to the man in a sense, as a teenager.


    Lesley Logan 20:51  

    Yeah, because there's an inner knowing that you that you wanted to do that.


    Brad Crowell 20:53  

    I did want to do that, and I was I always looked out to see how I could stick a thorn in the side of the process without actually getting in trouble, yeah, that's how I rolled. I didn't really want to get in trouble, but I really wanted to cause trouble. Does that make sense? 


    Lesley Logan 21:07  

    You just wanted to see how far you could do without being in trouble because you wanted to feel like you were breaking the rules without breaking the rules. 


    Brad Crowell 21:13  

    Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, you know. But anyway, this inner knowing that Jamie's talking about, she explained because of the contrast of life, society trains us to look outside of ourselves for pretty much everything, right? I mean, the irony is that we have a podcast telling you to look inwardly, but I think that it is just natural for us to look outside of ourselves. Our our parents, our church, our work, our friends, our siblings-you know-we're constantly looking to others for approval, I was the same way, especially when I was younger.


    Lesley Logan 21:43  

    Oh, we're raised to look at other people for approval, especially women. But I'm sure you, too, because even the Boy Scouts are the troop leaders going to give you these badges. Did you do a good enough job? Everything is to get other people's opinions of you to matter, but that's not whose opinion matters.


    Brad Crowell 21:58  

    Yeah, and seeking that external validation causes us to lose the basic sense of can we even trust our own decisions? What do we actually want for us? We don't even know what we want for us most of the time. Well, especially when we were growing up, what we wanted for us was what our parents told us we wanted for us, and then and then like somewhere in there, we're supposed to be oh now I get to choose what I want for me, you know, and and and we don't shift. Oh, you know, we're still looking to.


    Lesley Logan 22:26  

    Well, you never got to practice it.


    Brad Crowell 22:28  

    Right. Yeah, and and her argument is it's very easy for us to get back to looking internally, and she says that there's a trust that gets built when you sit with yourself, and she was talking about it's not even complicated in the sense of this meditation idea that I could never wrap my head around. And she said, "You know, you don't need to do any anything like that. It could just be five minutes of silence drinking a cup of coffee, where you just have a moment of you with you.


    Lesley Logan 22:57  

    Oh my god! I forgot my AirPods yesterday on the dog walk.


    Brad Crowell 22:59  

    Weird. 


    Lesley Logan 23:00  

    I know. I loved it.


    Brad Crowell 23:03  

    Oh, that was like an hour. Yeah. Well, good for you. 


    Lesley Logan 23:06  

    I mean, here's the deal. I loved the first half, and then the second half, I was done with it myself because I'm in my head all day, you know. So I didn't need more time. But so I did listen to a podcast without headphones, and well, the neighbors get to listen to my my true crime. But the first half was just like such a nice. I could hear the birds and all the things, and I was. This is wonderful. Maybe I should just not put them in until halfway.


    Brad Crowell 23:28  

    I mean, I love that.


    Lesley Logan 23:29  

    It's a it's a good intention.


    Brad Crowell 23:31  

    There's value. There's value.


    Lesley Logan 23:32  

    I will say you don't even have to do that. Five minutes is actually not that long, and you you sit out on the front porch, you know, or you could walk around a block, or you could just walk across the street. But you should get outside and be quiet.


    Brad Crowell 23:46  

    So if you want a feeling of coming home to yourself, start to look inward and see what that means. You know?


    Lesley Logan 23:52  

    I'm all. Here's the thing: she does make it sound so simple in a way that I did challenge her. Is it really that simple? Hold on. Is there? I mean, I was Jamie, people aren't gonna think it's that simple, but I think we overcomplicate things, and people have overcomplicated things to sell you something. And she's, it's actually, it is actually simple. And I think sometimes we think, well, then it must not work. But I really did believe, I do, I do trust what she had to say at the end. You know what? I bet you it is that simple, and we just want it to be complicated because then we can't do it. 


    Brad Crowell 24:24  

    Yeah, I mean, but what is it? You know, when you're, what does it mean to look inward


    Lesley Logan 24:29  

    To listen to yourself and not other people?


    Brad Crowell 24:31  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 24:31  

    Oh gosh, I mean, I think it means that you. Well, this is what people won't want to do, and they feel like they're going to let people down because they're doing things for themselves and not for other people. But you, the only we can let people down is if you are actually incapable of being empathetic and loving and and taking and. 


    Brad Crowell 24:47  

    No, that's not what I mean. What's the practice of looking inward? 


    Lesley Logan 24:50  

    I think that's personal.


    Brad Crowell 24:52  

    Yeah, but we have to give them an actual tangible. 


    Lesley Logan 24:55  

    Well, I think Jamie did it in in the podcast. I think it's in these takeaways.


    Brad Crowell 24:59  

    So I'm gonna tell you that sitting with yourself and actually not distracting yourself and having a moment to think, that's.


    Lesley Logan 25:10  

    Yeah, but I'm not gonna tell you right now because I'm looking ahead.


    Brad Crowell 25:12  

    All right, well stick around. We'll be right back. Because that was a great teaser.


    Brad Crowell 25:15  

    Woo! Welcome back. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items that we had with Jamie Lerner on the last episode, what bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted action items can we take away from Lesley's convo with her? She said, "Hey, laugh when you judge others, because what that means is that we're actually judging ourselves because we're projecting. We are projecting, and you know, take it from a psychotherapist to understand the technical elements of all those things, she says it simply means we're just projecting how we feel about ourselves onto others because we're judging them. And what that means is we are not connected to ourselves. We are not looking inward on ourselves at all in that moment. And she said it takes a little bit of practice, but when you start to identify that you're judging others, you should laugh at yourself. So I thought that was really funny. Go laugh with yourself, not at yourself.


    Lesley Logan 26:07  

    Yeah, yeah. No, it's like, hahahaha, I clearly want that. Or there's something about that. How that's so funny. I didn't realize it's something I wanted, or that's something that there's something about that I desire. Or there's you know I actually don't think it's bad to be jealous, I think it is bad to judge yourself for being jealous and not actually taking a moment to know what about that thing is making me have the grass is greener? Oh, there's something about that that you want. Maybe not that exact thing, but there's an energy or an emotion or something. And so I think taking the time to notice what you're jealous of, or we have a couple solo episodes about comparison. I think just came out. Anyways, about comparison, and we compare ourselves when the clarity isn't clear about what we want. And when clarity is clear, you're gonna be more likely to see that someone else doing something has nothing to do with your ability to do something. But when you are comparing yourself to someone else, and that jealousy is there. Then it's a sign, like, "Oh, I'm not clear on what I want. How silly of me to be so hard on myself when I obviously haven't finished planning."


    Brad Crowell 27:11  

    Yeah, she said, "It's an observation of how often you're disconnected in any given moment, and the realization and laughter allows you to reconnect with yourself. So there's no time to judge yourself for judging others. But what about you?


    Lesley Logan 27:25  

    Well, this goes into the question you had about going inward. She said, and I'll go back to the other things that she said, set aside 10 minutes every day. That's not even a half a percent of your day. Set aside 10 minutes every day, or just little moments here and there to get tuned back into yourself. And she said, "You can sit quietly and notice how often we're unkind and cruel to ourselves in a way we would never speak to another person. And she said, "In this time, ask yourself questions that are lovingly curious. Oh, I wonder why I am so interested in what that person is doing, or I wonder why I'm so intrigued by that, or I wonder what would allow me to be able to do something like that. Have some loving curiosity about yourself instead of having demanding immediate solutions. Go of needing an answer and just asking is enough. We can go back to episode one.


    Brad Crowell 28:11  

    Wow.


    Lesley Logan 28:11  

    Episode one is about just being like it is. 


    Brad Crowell 28:15  

    I wonder.


    Lesley Logan 28:16  

    I wonder. You know, and so, opening a loop in your brain, so that you can oh, yeah. I don't think they can read. It's really hard.


    Brad Crowell 28:25  

    It's hard.


    Lesley Logan 28:26  

    It's hard. 


    Brad Crowell 28:27  

    If you're watching on YouTube, we are trying to. There's my 1/3 tattoo on my hand, and it's on for me to see, which makes it very difficult for you to see. So she said, practice this moment by moment, which I also love because.


    Brad Crowell 28:39  

    Wait, what did she say?


    Lesley Logan 28:40  

    She said, "Practice this moment by moment", and that's something I also love because we are so hard on ourselves to be able to do this all the time. No, you do little bits, and over time they add up to lots of bits, and then it takes more of your day. And she said, "Most important," she said, "Know yourself, love yourself, and trust yourself, and laugh a lot with yourself." And I do think I remember my parents always saying, "Laughter brings healing to the bones." 


    Brad Crowell 29:05  

    It's the best medicine. 


    Lesley Logan 29:07  

    It's the best medicine. It's a great core workout. So I couldn't agree more.


    Brad Crowell 29:10  

    That's what they said?


    Lesley Logan 29:11  

    Well, they didn't talk about the core workout, but I added that part. They would take a lesson, go, "Laughter brings healing to the bones."


    Brad Crowell 29:17  

    Wow. I don't think my parents did that.


    Lesley Logan 29:21  

    We had very different childhoods. 


    Brad Crowell 29:23  

    They just tickle monster us.


    Lesley Logan 29:24  

    You you had a very consistent one. Mine was a little bit of a roller coaster.


    Brad Crowell 29:28  

    Healing to the bones.


    Lesley Logan 29:32  

    You know what's something so funny is I was in my Pilates session today, and my teacher Kim was talking to these other two women who were in the group, and they said they said something. He goes, "No, you're not weak. You're impatient." And I laughed so hard as, and they're like, "Oh, I have to put that on my wall. You're not weak. You're just impatient." Yeah, you guys are just expecting yourself to be good about something you just learned yesterday. You're not. It's not a weakness. It's like you're expecting something to happen tomorrow when you just learned how to do it yesterday. You know. So be kind. Have some loving curiosity.


    Brad Crowell 30:10  

    Yeah. 10 minutes will do that. Set aside.


    Lesley Logan 30:13  

    I'm Lesley Logan,


    Brad Crowell 30:13  

    and I'm Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 30:14  

    You're amazing. Go send this to a friend as they hear it. Go laugh with yourself. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.


    Brad Crowell 30:20  

    Bye for now.


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  • 739. How to Get Tuned Back Into Yourself

    Most people were trained to look outside themselves for every answer, and the habit runs so deep it stops feeling like a choice. Well-Being therapist Jamie Lerner joins Lesley Logan to make the case that the knowing was always there, and getting back to it takes ten minutes a day, not a seventeen-point journal and a three-hour workshop. Jamie explains why laughter beats self-judgment, how alignment makes action feel effortless, and why procrastination might be the friend nobody told you about.


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    • How seeking outside becomes the excuse not to look within.
    • Why Jamie says not to share your knowing with anyone.
    • Laughter as the pattern for catching yourself judging others.
    • 10 minutes a day is enough to get tuned back into yourself.
    • Reframing procrastination as time to get into alignment.


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    Jamie Lerner 0:00  

    When we make our own schedules based on our own needs, that we can offer so much more to others because we know what we need for ourselves first and foremost. And if you don't nourish yourself, it's really impossible to assist others because you feel resentful, and that doesn't feel good to other people or to you.


    Lesley Logan 0:21  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world, and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity, and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring bold, executable, intrinsic, and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be it till you see it. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 


    Lesley Logan 1:03  

    Oh my goodness, loves! I am doing this intro with the most knowing, the most calm I could be. So obviously, that's a different, like it's a hummingbird calm. But the most calm and joyful, but thoughtful, and I mean, you're going to hear the word "knowing" a few times in this podcast. We have an incredible guest for you. I'm going to tell you right now. You're going to want to listen to this again. It is just wonderful reminder after reminder after reminder for you, my love. Listening to this because it's so easy to look outside of ourselves and then have frustrations about things that are going on. And our guest today is Jamie Lerner, and she is just going to help you find your absolute wonderful you-ness, your essence, and I don't mean that we're not. And this is not a double woo episode at all. This isn't even a woo. This is 100% authentic for you. I'm so excited to listen, and I hope you hit repeat, and I hope you share it with a friend, and I hope you check out what Jamie is doing if it really resonates with you because my goodness, I know I'm going to listen to this episode a few times because I just so many great reminders of what I knew. But sometimes you just get distracted because life gets crazy, and so this hopefully is your put on repeat when you need that. Here's Jamie Lerner. 


    Lesley Logan 2:18  

    All right, Be It babe, this is gonna be a magical conversation. Get ready. Be inspired, and really excited because we have the Jamie Lerner here, and I'm really thrilled. I got to meet her a while back, and just I'm amazed at what she's doing, and was so excited to talk to her. I had to bring her on. So, Jamie, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?


    Jamie Lerner 2:36  

    Yes. So, I am a well-being therapist, and I used to do psychotherapy, and felt like after a while that was just not working for me or the people that I was supposedly serving. So I shifted out of that, and now doing something completely different, which is assisting people in assisting themselves from getting from where they are to where they want to be.


    Lesley Logan 3:03  

    Well, of course we have to have you on because this is called "Be It Till You See It." So you got to know where you want to be and where you are. So this is the perfect combination. You can help them. I've been trying, but this is not my forte. This is how I do my life. I just kind of act as if I'm mayor already. But you, you know how to do that?


    Jamie Lerner 3:21  

    Well, I just know how to assist people to assist themselves because that is the whole point. That hopefully they don't need me for too long because they're, yeah, they're back to recreating the relationship with themselves, and that's where it all comes from.


    Lesley Logan 3:37  

    Oh, I love that. I also love the idea that the goal is that they don't need you forever.


    Jamie Lerner 3:42  

    Exactly.


    Lesley Logan 3:43  

    Yeah, because I do think sometimes people get a little attached and they feel like they can't do it with some without somebody. I'm a Pilates instructor and I teach a lot of instructors as well to let your clients they need to take ownership of their practice because it's yes, they it's good to have eyes on them and it's good for me to be there for safety. But if when they leave the studio, they're the ones who are walking and running and picking things up, I can't tell them what to do all the time. Otherwise, they don't know how to do it.


    Jamie Lerner 4:10  

    Exactly.


    Lesley Logan 4:11  

    Well, I want to get into. You just said something. It comes from their well-being. It comes from them. I feel like we're probably born with the ability to know who we are and who we want to be, and then I don't know. Maybe we're not, and then but then the world messes things up, and then we lose track of who we are and what we want to do. Is that the case? Is it something that we all have to discover, anyways? Kind of what? What do you see is is keeping people from being taking ownership and having that well-being?


    Jamie Lerner 4:37  

    So I think we're all born with the knowing, and I think just the contrast of life, we tend to be asked to look outside of ourselves for mostly everything, and so there isn't that sense that we could trust ourselves, and so it's much easier to seek outside instead of looking inward for the answer. However, I think it's very easy to get back to that, and when we do, it feels familiar, like coming home to ourselves, and that's when it gets really fun.


    Lesley Logan 5:14  

    Oh, I love that! You are right. It doesn't really matter what your career is. There's always this idea of what are other people going to think, or how do I make sure that I get the validation out there? And it's so easy for that to become-it's a need. I mean, obviously, constructive feedback and things like that are helpful, but somehow that can become a habit of where you're no longer listening to yourself.


    Jamie Lerner 5:37  

    I think that is the case, and it also becomes the excuse. So a lot of people are unaware of how often they use that excuse not to look within. And for most people, it's easier. It's scary when you have to quiet your mind chatter and really start to hear your own voice and your own inner knowing. So we just defer to everybody and everything else. However, it never quite feels right. I mean, who would know better for you than you? Nobody. Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 6:11  

    Oh, I do. I do love that because I mean, it's all. It's always hard for me to. I feel like for my mind to be quiet. My listeners know I'm an Aquarius, so there's a lot in there. A lot of chatter. The ADHD definitely goes strong. But I found ways where I when I fell in love with Pilates, my mind actually quiet got quiet, and I felt like in my body. And so I become kind of obsessed because every time I was in my Pilates and actually getting that mind-body connection, my mind was quiet, and I could hear these thoughts. You don't like to live here anymore, and I'm wow. What a weird thought to have, you know. So I will. We have to find these ways to quiet our mind. Do you have tools for people? Because I mean, most people are told to meditate, and a number of people I know who feel like they can't meditate. It's really makes it feel like one more thing they can't do.


    Jamie Lerner 6:59  

    Yeah and I think the idea of meditation is very intimidating because somehow we feel like there's just one way to do it, and we're never going to do it correctly. And I think meditation is just quieting the mind and being still and connected with yourself, even if it's five minutes, any point in the day where you can be so present that you can receive the thoughts that you're having in a way that's lovingly curious.


    Lesley Logan 7:26  

    Oh, well, that's hard, Jamie, lovingly curious. My listeners are recovering perfectionists and overachievers who are very rarely lovingly curious on themselves. You know what I mean? I find people to now more than ever they're so harsh on themselves. They're so loving towards others. They're so quick to give compliments to other people, and they're so hard on themselves.


    Jamie Lerner 7:47  

    But I think when we give people permission to do it, then it's easier. And I don't think we get that permission often. But to ask someone to do it, even as homework assignment to hear and feel something about yourself that you appreciate. One thing, not something that someone appreciates about you, but something that you appreciate about yourself. And I think that's a lovingly curious invitation.


    Lesley Logan 8:19  

    I do love that. What a great homework assignment. Everyone, write that down. That's your homework for number one. I'm glad you brought that up because one of the reasons I started this podcast is I found myself being in these amazing groups of people and not feeling like I could articulate questions. People had great questions, and I was like, "Oh, that's a great question. Oh, that's a great question." I would learn from their questions, but I was, they go, "Lesley, what's your question?" I'm like, "Oh, oh my God! What's my question? The pressure to come up with a question? And I found my brain judging the question. Oh, you could just look that up, or oh, you could just figure that out on yourself, or actually, that's just like that person's question. So you could probably use this answer. Not allowing myself permission in a space where I was allowed to be curious. So I love that you gave us an assignment because I do think it's kind of hard to be curious when you're an adult. It's easy when you're a kid, and then somewhere along the way, your crazy curious questions can get annoying to someone, or maybe get shut down, or maybe some reason you don't feel like you can ask us anymore. So, are there other curious questions we can lovingly ask ourselves?


    Jamie Lerner 9:19  

    It's all curiosity, and it's all for yourself and about yourself. So, really, there is no judgment whatsoever.


    Lesley Logan 9:29  

    What about the people who have the habit of being so judgy? You know what I mean? 


    Jamie Lerner 9:32  

    They're just all disconnected. So, when you notice that you're being judgmental of another, it's really good to laugh because you understand that you're just projecting how you feel about yourself on another, which means you're disconnected, and so you know you could be laughing all day in a lovingly curious way, just kind of catching yourself and being, oh yeah, here I go again. Jamie, I'm gonna think about you every time I catch myself in judgment of another because it's true. You it is always the thing that you don't like about yourself, but you're doing on them, and because it's interesting, right? Because you can you can have the consciousness that that's what you're doing because now you're aware, but then what do you what do you interrupt the thought with? This is the first time. This is the first time anyone's ever giving me that. But it's great because you're laughing with yourself all day long with yourself, not at yourself, and that becomes an observation of how often you're disconnected in a moment, and then knowing that in the next moment, just the realization and laughter allows you to reconnect with yourself. So there's really no time to judge yourself for judging others. It's just among them.


    Lesley Logan 10:50  

    Oh my goodness. Okay. Well, my mind is blown for the third time already. So early on this podcast, Jamie, you mentioned the journey to getting to being this person to help people because first you were a psychotherapist and now this now you're this well-being coach. We all know life isn't linear and there's all these little obstacles along the way. Can you talk about kind of any Be It Till You See It moments for yourself on how you could? I'm sure there's people that were wondering why are you switching this amazing career that you went to school for. I'm sure there's these different things and how did you kind of handle that or navigate that?


    Jamie Lerner 11:23  

    Well, I was born with the knowing, and I knew that from the moment I was born, and I never turned away from the knowing. So I always heard and continue to always hear my own voice, and I believe that other people felt that way too, because I think that that was my natural state of well-being. My issues were with my mom, who I did not have an emotional connection with at all. It was perplexing to me. How could I be so connected to myself and have no connection with her? But when I went to school for psychology, and then decided I was going to do private practice. It was about psychotherapy and asking people to look back. And I realized looking back is not helping anyone move forward. As a matter of fact, it becomes the very excuse why they don't move forward. And I realized, like, this doesn't feel good to me. I cannot continue to assist people in what I feel is just not feeling good. So I gave it up, and I studied, and I traveled. But mostly, I looked within myself and realized that my superpower is the connection I have with myself and taking personal responsibility. And I think that that's everybody's superpower. However, it's a hard sell. People want to do anything but take personal responsibility. 


    Lesley Logan 12:49  

    Yeah, they will. They will because I will talk to people about a dream schedule or just your ideal schedule because that's going to have you as a priority in it, and they'll come up with every excuse why that can't happen. My kid, this, my mom needs this. My dog is special needs, and all all the things, right? And okay, but at some point, you have to take responsibility for those things so that you can either change it, or you're just gonna live. You can keep living like this, and then don't come and complain to me in this moment that you're doing. 


    Jamie Lerner 13:20  

    Well, we live in this victim mentality society, and we get rewarded for being the victim, especially for women. You know, we get rewarded for putting ourselves last, being overworked, because we have all these other things that are so much more important. And I really feel like we hide behind that because we don't know how to include ourselves in self-care or giving ourselves permission to make time to do things that we really would like to be doing for ourselves, to nurture ourselves, to nourish ourselves so that we can care for others.


    Lesley Logan 13:52  

    Yeah.


    Jamie Lerner 13:52  

    Once again, the permission goes a long way.


    Lesley Logan 13:55  

    Yeah. You know, you bring up something interesting: the nourishment of ourselves with society out there telling every person how they're supposed to look and what they're supposed to be doing, we have this. I thought we were past it, Jamie. I really thought we got we thought we got past it, but now we've got these girls wasting away again. And it's if you are not nourishing yourself, you cannot be connected to yourself. You cannot have inner knowing because your brain is your brain and body are tired. They cannot function. They're in survival states, right? We have to nourishing ourselves as is is is mind-body, but really, like you still got to nourish the body's fuel, so you can connect, right?


    Jamie Lerner 14:29  

    Well, this is true, and we don't have to do it, but it is a really nice option. And I think that when we make our own schedules based on our own needs, that we can offer so much more to others because we know what we need for ourselves first and foremost. And if you don't nourish yourself, it's really impossible to assist others because you feel resentful, and that doesn't feel good to other people or to you.


    Lesley Logan 14:55  

    I couldn't agree more, Jamie. I have, I don't have children, so when I tell people. And women, because mostly it's I'm here to help. That's my, my. I know it's a calling, is giving them permission to prioritize themselves first. And they're, well, you don't have a child, you don't have children. And I was, okay. You are correct, but I don't. You think you want your kid to have someone who has stamina, energy, endurance to have generous love and excitement around them, not tired, exhausted, resentful of because that's going to happen if you are not nourished. Whatever nourishment is, maybe it's a sleep, maybe it's a movement practice. If you are not that, at some point it's going to be you'll be resentful, you'll be jealous.


    Jamie Lerner 15:36  

    But I'm sure the people think you don't, you just don't understand. 


    Lesley Logan 15:39  

    I don't get I don't get it. You're correct, Amy. I don't get it. 


    Jamie Lerner 15:42  

    I mean, you do get it, but that is their excuse why they're not gonna do it. 


    Lesley Logan 15:49  

    Uh huh. Yeah. No. They and and I and I will. I can say. I. You're correct. I don't get your life, but I don't even know that I get a life of another person who doesn't have children either. But I can say, we all all have needs, every single one of us, and whether you have kids or not, you do have to put yourself in that position to take care of yourself. And I do think people have taken. I actually think maybe you know this, Jamie, more than most. I think people are have such a habit of not listening and knowing themselves and taking care of themselves that they wouldn't even know what to do if we gave them the day off to do it?


    Jamie Lerner 16:23  

    Well, first of all, we don't need the day off.


    Lesley Logan 16:25  

    Okay great. 


    Jamie Lerner 16:27  

    It can be 10 minutes every day to get tuned back into yourself. We all can get back there, and it doesn't have to take a lot. It doesn't even have to take a conscious wanting to.


    Lesley Logan 16:39  

    Great, even better, Jamie, because. 


    Jamie Lerner 16:41  

    Yeah, just little moments here and there. Because to say it can happen feels overwhelming for people who don't even know where to start.


    Lesley Logan 16:52  

    Right. So if they're going to start with 10 minutes, what do you suggest they start with? Because I do recall. I remember during the pandemic, I feel like I'm operating in a place of stress, and I actually don't need to be doing that right now. I have all the money, I have a plan, I have all the things. I know what I want to do. So, what would I be doing if I wasn't stressed out? You know, and I had to actually go, "I don't even know," and I had to think about writing out all the things I could be doing. And I do I even want to do these things? So that's how I figured out. But I don't know what what would you say some for someone who's so far away from their knowing, and what would make them feel good. What do they do in those 10 minutes? 


    Jamie Lerner 17:29  

    Well, to sit with yourself is a really nice thing to do, and quiet your mind, and understand that the things that you think about yourself, you would never think about and say to another person. We're very unkind and cruel to ourselves to the point where here we go again is laughter because it's so ridiculous and not true. So it's that little bit of awareness, and then the question is enough. You don't have to have the answer, but just the ongoing series of questions that are lovingly curious to yourself about yourself without the pressure of an answer. It feels good. There's no. It doesn't have to even make sense, but it's kind of moment by moment, and then all of a sudden you realize you do know, you absolutely know, yeah, and then not share it with another because that's where it just goes.


    Lesley Logan 18:23  

    Oh, yeah! I guess that's true. I think that's so interesting, right? I love the idea of just you're saying just sit down, just be still, just quiet your mind. Do I need a journal? All these. Lesley, can you just sit with yourself because


    Jamie Lerner 18:35  

    Sit with some coffee, you know?


    Lesley Logan 18:37  

    Right, because it's going back to that almost like a boredom. We're so used to entertaining ourselves at a red light. People are scrolling because they can't even sit with themselves at a red light. You know, they have to be doing something. And so the idea of just sitting with yourself and asking the question and opening the loop in the brain because you're right, it's in there.


    Jamie Lerner 18:59  

    It's absolutely in there.


    Lesley Logan 19:01  

    So, how the people who I and I want to highlight: don't go tell people. And I think people find that harsh and weird, but like they're keeping a secret. But the reality is, is like a lot of us have people in our lives who are afraid any knowing of ourselves might change how their relationship with us. That's not what they consciously think. I think, but I know that's what it's kind of happening. So then they put doubts and fears in our minds, or they question it because they don't get it. 


    Jamie Lerner 19:27  

    But it's not for them to get, and that's the whole point. This is all for you about you, and it has nothing to do with another person, no matter if it's a husband or a child. Or this is only for you. Your chance to reconnect with your inner knowing, inner being, which is your birthright, and it's all there. But it's really not for another, and it's never about another. If you are feeling upset about something, it's not about another. And you know, have questions about that? What are you feeling upset about? It's not your friend. It's it's never about another, and that's really hard for people to understand. 


    Lesley Logan 20:11  

    It is hard, Jamie, because then they can't blame how their bad day was on someone else. Well, they could, they could, but what what I'm saying is absolutely not true, and it's not even possible. People don't have that much power that we give them to excuse ourselves from connecting, which is what we do. We give people power that they don't even have. Oh my gosh! Do we learn that from our parents? Do we learn that from modeling? Do we learn that from you know what I mean? Because I watch. I have a niece and some nephews, and they watch them and how they see the world. And you're just look at that, and you're just, I hope that never changes. You're like, well, somehow along the way, it's gonna. And so, and then you see people who are adults who are just going for it. Wow, you no one stopped that light, or maybe, or and they overcame it. But do do you think it's learned from if a if a parent (inaudible).


    Jamie Lerner 21:01  

    I think it doesn't matter, and I think the most important thing is to let everyone off the hook. It really doesn't matter where it came from, and it's all around us all the time. But you start to feel really good when you are able to have these inner conversations with yourself about yourself, and really feel like you know who you are because you do. Once again, you are your own greatest resource. Nobody else knows for you, even though you, not meaning you, but the people that feel like they don't know for themselves are the very people telling everybody else what to do.


    Lesley Logan 21:38  

    They are.


    Jamie Lerner 21:39  

    Okay, but do you know what to do yourself? No, you just are going to tell everyone else what to do. Well, you don't know those other people. Yeah, I mean, it's you got to laugh, and it's laughable in a good way. You're not mocking yourself or judging yourself. You're just becoming very curious, and as we become curious about ourselves, it lightens the whole topic.


    Lesley Logan 22:04  

    I okay. I love that you said it doesn't even matter where it comes from because that goes back. It doesn't matter what's in the back. We don't need that. We actually just have to move forward and give ourselves permission to have this loving curiosity. And I do love the laughter thing. This is a slightly different topic, but I think we can go here. I have this wonderful group of women come on a retreat to my house in Cambodia, and within I don't know two hours of us hanging out, I'd heard "I'm sorry" so many times. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And I was, okay. We have to stop saying "I'm sorry." I can't do seven weekdays of "I'm sorry." You, there's nothing to be sorry about. You are allowed to be here. You're allowed. So we are just gonna so I we started screaming at each other anytime someone said "I'm sorry," we started screaming, "Not helpful!" So it's like, it's like laughing. You have to laugh at it because it was, you have to break the thing. You didn't mean to trip on her. You could say excuse me, but I'm, you're not, you don't have to be sorry. You know, it's like this weird habit that we have, just because in the apologizing for taking up space, you know, which makes it harder for you to have loving curiosity because you don't feel like you even should be here.


    Jamie Lerner 23:09  

    Yes, and I think that's so helpful that when you are all together, you say something that interrupts that belief or that pattern, or you know, and I think mostly it's just you don't even know you're saying I'm sorry. Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 23:26  

    So it's like a great, great interruption. Yeah, I think I like it better than the laugh. I like the laughter for the other things. I can laugh to myself because I do. I do think that that's a great pattern interrupt, and I just want to laugh at other people. So I I'm glad you like that. So, you know, it's interesting, right? I'm thinking about some of the different people who have listened this podcast for a long time. People are in my life who are kind of stuck launching. It's interesting, right? Because we never want to tell people they should stop learning, but also there's they're always signing up for another thing, and that's the thing that's going to do it. And so, I guess, how do you know that what you keep doing is actually taking you and launching you versus keeping you in in where you are? You know, I don't know if that question makes sense at all. 


    Jamie Lerner 24:08  

    Yes, and and I think that that alignment is so important. So thoughts and feelings is one, and when we're in alignment with something, then it feels effortless, and it's something that we are really feel inspired by, and it's the feeling of being inspired because you are being inner-led back to yourself about something that you feel really passionate about or really good about, and you haven't discussed with another, and then it feels effortless. It's not something that you have to force. It's not something that you have to seek. You just know, and then you take inspired action.


    Lesley Logan 24:53  

    Oh, it's so interesting, Jamie, that you say all those things. So that's true. It's like those things where you, wow, that just kind of fell into place. We have those things that just fall into place versus those things. Why can't I get this thing going? Or why don't I want? Why am I not signing up for that thing? It's probably you don't want to do the thing.


    Jamie Lerner 25:10  

    That's just called resistance. So you know, and at that point, you realize that it's good to just excuse yourself from it and step back until you can get into alignment with what it is that you think that you want to take action about.


    Lesley Logan 25:25  

    What do you do if getting to alignment feels like the biggest life change that you're not necessarily ready to make? I'll say I'm thinking of a couple listeners, but I'll just use my own self as an example. I remember in 2011, 2012, having the thought, like, I need to get out of the relationship I was in. Well, to do that meant I need a new apartment. I'm gonna pay more rent. I have all these different things, and so I knew the alignment shift I needed to make. But it felt scary and overwhelming, and almost like I didn't have the right tools. And so I had the excuse of going, "Well, I don't have the money, and it's not that bad, and I'll just figure it out. Do you know what I mean?" There's a lot of people who can feel that they're out of alignment, but getting to alignment just feels you're blowing your life up.


    Jamie Lerner 26:06  

    So, what actually happened that allowed you to shift?


    Lesley Logan 26:10  

    I think what actually happened allowed me to shift is a bit more time recognizing the resources that I had. I had to see that. That was the opportunity. I got into a place. I was, "Oh, I actually can't afford to do this."


    Jamie Lerner 26:23  

    Then when that came to be for you, was it easy to shift out of the relationship?


    Lesley Logan 26:29  

    Yeah, I mean, and also I'll say is things blew up all around me. People listen my podcast. It was that time I ended up in a car accident, so my car was totaled, and then the studio I rented from everything. They were like, "We're no longer going to be here." So I have to find a new place to work and a new place to live and a new car. And I actually did it with laughter, and it actually all just fell into place just fine. 


    Jamie Lerner 26:53  

    Because there was no more resistance. 


    Lesley Logan 26:54  

    Yeah, thank God. I mean, I don't know if I would have done that if it had happened while I was still with the person, but it happened after I made this decision, and I was, "Well, I guess this is how it's gonna go." So yeah.


    Jamie Lerner 27:04  

    So I love procrastination. I think procrastination is our friend because it gives us time to get into alignment with the task at hand. And so if someone asks me to do something and it just doesn't feel right to me, I usually say to them, "Let me think about that and get back to you." And then until I'm really ready, going back and forth could be moment by moment, day by day, to either excuse myself from the request or to really feel like, okay, I can do this. I don't commit to anything, and I think that that is really important because when we do make decisions based on what people's expectations are of us, it's not a good outcome. But when we're in a place where it just feels right, always a good outcome. So take your time. All you have is time.


    Lesley Logan 27:59  

    Wow. Well, Jamie, you make it seem like it's so easy, and the rest of us over here making it too hard. Why do we do that?


    Jamie Lerner 28:06  

    Because a lot of this stuff is common sense, and it is too easy. And women, especially, make it overly complicated because we have need to make everything overly complicated. Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 28:18  

    Well, why do we need to? We probably don't need to. We think we do.


    Jamie Lerner 28:22  

    We don't need to. But we, I would say, we unconsciously choose to.


    Lesley Logan 28:30  

    It probably goes back to, I don't know. Maybe it goes back to the feeling of worthiness and deserving, right? Because sometimes that alignment means taking up more space than you have before, or making bold moves, and so then you have to overly complicate it to have this reason of why you're going to do it. I had to people when I left my partner like why, and I was, "Oh, I didn't realize people were going to ask why. I guess I should have seen that coming," and I didn't have. I—it just wasn't. We just weren't right for each other, and that was not a good enough excuse for anyone. "Did he cheat?" No. "Did you fight?" Not a lot. I just didn't have it. So I think sometimes we think it needs to be complicated, and then we so therefore we make it complicated.


    Jamie Lerner 29:12  

    This is absolutely true. But when you're just connected to yourself, you just know, and so you don't need to consult other people. And if someone asks a question and you feel so good about saying it just didn't feel right because it didn't feel right, there are no more questions after that. So when you know for yourself, you just know, and you don't attract the answers that you would get otherwise, or the questions, no one says anything because you're so clear about what you're doing, and you're not asking them for their opinion or commentary. So if you get that, you could just say, "Well, thank you so much, and now I'm going to excuse myself."


    Lesley Logan 29:56  

    Jamie, you paint this. You make it, not that life is easy, but you make it sound like if we could just be in our knowing and alignment, we could have a much easier.


    Jamie Lerner 30:11  

    Yes, life would be so fun, and then we could create anything for ourselves and we could be in relationships with people that were unconditional, and I mean, I have friends. I know they're late all the time, and I choose to go to lunch with them, knowing that they're going to be late, and I'm on time or early all the time. But you know, at a certain point, if it bothers me, then I don't go to lunch with them anymore. But am I going to be upset with who they are? I don't think so. They're consistently who they are, and I am who I am, and that's a nice place to meet people where they are, allowing them to be who they are feels good.


    Lesley Logan 30:49  

    It does feel good, and it's, so, I actually have found because I used to have clients who are late all the time, and they'd always apologize, and I just go, "Here's a deal: you pay for this time to this time. There's someone before you. There's someone after you. So I'm just going to do my thing. Don't apologize to me anymore because I don't want to hear it. And if you only want the 45 minutes, then that's all you want, and so you don't even have to apologize to yourself. But if you want more, you can ask yourself why you're so late all the time. But that's on you to figure it out." And you know what? Some people were just stayed late because that's all they wanted.


    Jamie Lerner 31:18  

    That's who they are. Yeah, not even like that. Just people who are late are late everywhere they go.


    Lesley Logan 31:24  

    Yeah.


    Jamie Lerner 31:25  

    For everything. It's not just for you or your class, and that's okay.


    Lesley Logan 31:29  

    Yeah. Well, and that's just to your point. It was that's what you want, and so I don't feel anything towards you, and so you don't have to worry about—you don't have to apologize because I don't feel like I'm gonna have 15 minutes every single time I have you on my calendar to catch up. 


    Jamie Lerner 31:43  

    So in my other life, my husband would make coffee in an espresso maker, and he—I put the cup there, I start the machine, I turn around, and there before it's even finished or a full cup, he'd pull the cup out, and I'd be like, "Why are you cheating yourself?" And he, "What are you talking about? Why are you cheating yourself out of a full cup of coffee? Why?" And he was, "I don't know." But you know, to frame it that way is true. But he didn't really see it like that. He just saw he didn't feel like waiting. He was impatient, but actually cheating himself out of full cup of coffee. 


    Lesley Logan 32:23  

    Yeah, well, and that's, and to your point, even if that's not how they see it, or if that's how they're always late, it doesn't have to be my responsibility to fix that. We just get to focus on ourselves.


    Jamie Lerner 32:37  

    I think that is always the best thing. Yes.


    Lesley Logan 32:40  

    Jamie, can we do that without being narcissists, though? 


    Jamie Lerner 32:43  

    That is not, narcissists are completely disconnected from themselves. Okay, there's no connection at all. And narcissism is something that affects so many other people. You taking care of yourself and being clear with what you want and who you are, it doesn't affect anyone because the clarity in itself is such a relief for people. Yeah, it really is. You show up differently. You show up in such a way where you're so comfortable in your own skin that it allows people to just take a breath and relax. There's no judgment. There's no expectation. It just, it feels good to be around people who are not in their ego and are just comfortable with themselves.


    Lesley Logan 33:29  

    Yeah, I agree. I know those people, and I love being around them. And there's the people who are not like that. And you're like, "I have to close off my energy box because I.


    Jamie Lerner 33:36  

    But you don't because you're not affected by them. You understand that that's just who they are, and that is absolutely okay. And to think that everybody wants what you have is a big mistake. Most people don't want it. They don't want anything to do with being connected and happy, and they just don't. And that's okay. And we have to allow those people to just be who they are. I mean, it's okay. 


    Lesley Logan 34:02  

    Oh, Jamie. Well, that's a whole other topic, but yes, we do, and also because focusing on them would take us out of...


    Jamie Lerner 34:10  

    alignment and out of connection. 


    Lesley Logan 34:12  

    Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, for the people who are worried that people are going to think they're selfish for taking the time, because you know they have the people in their lives who are going to tell them, "Oh, if you've changed, you feel more selfish now because you're not selfish. You just are more aligned, which means you've probably changed how you engage with them or the time you give them. They'll be babies. They'll be baby connected, baby knowing people. So how do they handle that? Because you mentioned, like, you'll be so sure, and it's just going to be like that. But I just, oh, but there's that. You're like a new baby bird with your knowing and your alignment. How do we help them if someone tries to take it away with that selfish?


    Jamie Lerner 34:50  

    Well, it's just the opposite because when we nourish and nurture ourselves, we are more available to all others, whether it's vibration, physically, emotionally, because we have nourished ourselves, we have connected with ourselves, and then our ability to give is unconditional. We are more present with other people, and to be more present with other people, some of those people get uncomfortable. They are not used to being with someone who's so present, but it's a lovely feeling. It's almost like you can be with someone and not say a word, but you can feel them, and it feels good. And that is true connection with self and others.


    Lesley Logan 35:36  

    Oh gosh, Jamie, I feel like this took like a master class.


    Jamie Lerner 35:42  

    All these things are so simple.


    Lesley Logan 35:44  

    Yeah.


    Jamie Lerner 35:45  

    I mean, these are so many basic things.


    Lesley Logan 35:50  

    I mean, that's the thing, right? Because in the world we live in today with social media, they're going to give you the 17-point journal with the addendum, and then the three-hour workshop with the 152 calls, and so people are told it's supposed to be hard, but it's, you’re making it...


    Jamie Lerner 36:07  

    be fun and easy and quick, very quick. I mean, for me, my most successful clients are the ones that I don't need to be there to assist them anymore. They got it, and you know what? They do got it.


    Lesley Logan 36:25  

    Yeah, yeah. And we can all get it. We can just just. 


    Jamie Lerner 36:29  

    We want it.


    Lesley Logan 36:29  

    Yeah. Okay. Well, hat's the key. Well, that's just it, right? You have to. I think it's. I've read something about any change you want to make. You have to want it and believe it, and then commit to it, and so it's you got to actually do the thing.


    Jamie Lerner 36:45  

    But we don't have to commit to it.


    Lesley Logan 36:47  

    Okay.


    Jamie Lerner 36:47  

    We could just do moment by moment. Commitment is too much. It's too intimidating. It feels impossible. Yeah, just to have some kind of recognition of where you're at with yourself, moment by moment, and then it's the next moment. Maybe today wasn't a good day to connect with yourself, but maybe tomorrow will be better to be more forgiving of ourselves, to be more allowing of ourselves, to give ourselves more grace, let ourselves off the hook, but not let ourselves off the hook because we're blaming someone else. Those are two separate things.


    Lesley Logan 37:25  

    Right. I, okay, well, you've just blown the recovering perfectionist mindset. You can actually just want it and then have it and have it in the moment. And there could be a bad day, and you can just take yourself responsibility, and then you can just try again tomorrow or in another moment.


    Jamie Lerner 37:43  

    Right. Right? And there's no punishment for it. There's no perfection. It's just a moment, and then the next moment. And sometimes I'll allow myself to go down the rabbit hole. I'll say to myself, "Is this thought serving me? No. Am I going there? Yes, I am, because for whatever reason I need to do this. Okay." And then I can see clearly. I'm okay now. I can pull myself out of the rabbit hole, and on some level that was very satisfying. But do I need to do it tomorrow? No.


    Lesley Logan 38:15  

    Jamie. Thank you for that. Because I'm, wow, I don't have to be a monk either. I can just, I can entertain the rabbit hole, but I love what you did. Acknowledge that's what you're doing, ask yourself if you need it, and then go past, get past it. No judgment on it.


    Jamie Lerner 38:33  

    (inaudible) is to blame someone else for sending you down the rabbit hole.


    Lesley Logan 38:37  

    God, yeah. Well, yes. So I'm taking away from this just the sitting still, that's for sure, and then also it's not about, I'm not going to blame the email that came at the wrong time or the person who didn't do the thing I told them. None of that. It's all my own responsibility and the kindness to myself. Because of that, I will continue to show up differently, and people will be affected by that in a positive way around that. And then if something, if they, if I went down a rabbit hole, I cannot blame that it was this person. I have to go, "I took myself down the rabbit hole."


    Jamie Lerner 39:09  

    Yes, and that feels good. It's too good to be responsible for yourself, to have personal responsibility. I love to be wrong. I love when I'm wrong. I do, because I get to learn something about myself. So when I am wrong, I am the first person to raise my hand and say, "You know what? I was wrong." And I am really in this moment learning something about myself, and that's fantastic.


    Lesley Logan 39:33  

    So cool, Jamie! You're so cool. I could talk to you forever. I feel like we need to listen to your words just a few more times. You know, so we're gonna take a brief break and find out what people can find you, follow you, work with you. Because, you know, I think a few of us might need more than one time hearing this. All right, Jamie, where can they do you? Do you do coaching? Do you have sessions? Do you have a book? Like, where can they get your information support? 


    Jamie Lerner 40:00  

    I have a website. It's www.jamie-lerner.com and everything is on there. And it's all so clear that there's not one single question anyone needs to ask me about how you pay, what happens if you, I mean, it's all there. And I have a great service called The Quickie, a lovely texting option, which is my favorite service of all, and I came out with it before COVID, and it worked perfectly because people had to move in with each other. Some people had to move home. There was no privacy, but you just buy a package of time and you text with me, and I text back with you, and lo and behold, you realize you knew the answer the whole time, but it's a great service. It's a book. It's old, but it's not old. It's really timeless, and it's available on Amazon. And it's called "The Ever Loving Essence of You" and it's just a very nice resource for yourself about yourself.


    Lesley Logan 41:04  

    I love this. I love that. I love the, what a genius idea of the texting because it's such a quick hit and a quick reminder, and you can do it in a moment, and you don't have to set up a call because by the time the call comes around, I forgot why I wanted the call.


    Jamie Lerner 41:19  

    And the other thing is too, people talk about how they feel in the moment, but the next moment they don't even remember. After texting, they can go back and read how they felt and what they thought, and then they realize, like, yeah, I really knew this all along.


    Lesley Logan 41:35  

    What a service. 


    Jamie Lerner 41:36  

    It is good, very self-empowering for people.


    Lesley Logan 41:39  

    I love that you are a gem. You have given us, by the way, we could just tell people go back and listen. But I do love my bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What tips do you have for us?


    Jamie Lerner 41:53  

    Know yourself, love yourself, trust yourself, and laugh along with yourself.


    Lesley Logan 42:01  

    Great. Yeah, great. This is a repeater. I think this is just a really nice go back and be reminded because I feel for the first time you've made knowing yourself a little less complicated, and we don't have to set aside 17 minutes to go through a journal that's got side five questions. You could just take a dose of time and sit still with yourself. And we have moments where we can do that throughout any day, even a busy one. Jamie, thank you so much. You guys, you better send this to a friend who needs to hear it. Because if you know yourself and they know yourself, imagine all of the gifts that is going to be in the time you spend with the people around you. So please share this. Tell Jamie Lerner what your favorite part was. Tag the Be It Pod. Let us know. And until next time, well, get to know yourself and then Be It Till You See It. 


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 


    Brad Crowell 0:01  

    Fuck yeah! 


    Lesley Logan 0:02  

    Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 


    Lesley Logan 0:47  

    Be It, babe. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast. Oh my God, guys, we are slaying through episodes more than 740. So I mean, this is insane. I can't believe we're going to be on 800 before we know it, but anyways, that's not our win. That's not it. All right. So on Fridays, it's real talk. It's real life chat with me. I'm just chatting with myself, and hopefully you're enjoying it. And then I share one of mine and one of yours. And so, okay, remember my technology pissy moments a couple months ago. So I've had something happen in my computer three times that no one can explain, and I can show it to people. And Brad has seen it in real time, and it is the whole thing.


    Lesley Logan 1:27  

    But at any rate, my computer would be looking so great, and I would put the charger on. I wouldn't read that there was a charger there, and it'd be the appropriate before anyone tells me something. It's the appropriate type of charger for the computer, and it's plugged in appropriately to an outlet, and that outlet works. And then I've tried other outlets that I know work, and other chargers are the right size and the right currency and whatever, blah blah blah. And so, anyways, I made a Genius appointment. I made a Genius appointment, and I go and I explain to the guy, and the guy is looking at me like I'm a crazy person, and he is checking to make sure that my charging thing is clean and all this stuff. Basically, the long story example of is when your car makes a sound, you take a mechanic, and the sound doesn't work anymore. It's like that. So, of course, there's no way to recreate what happened. And of course, I didn't film myself having the problem that was happening. And next time I will because I felt like a crazy person. And then, of course, they go, "Oh, we'll help you early," only for the guy to go, "Oh, I'm getting off work now, so you have to wait for this other person." And then the other person was just, I think he's. This is really a user error experience. User error. This is not my first MacBook. I know what the fuck I'm doing. I know how chargers work. Do you know who my husband is?


    Lesley Logan 2:34  

    So, anyways, while waiting in purgatory for my computer to reboot and whatever I was going to do, I will say that I did treat myself to headphones I didn't need, but I guess my event is I just think that computer technicians, mechanics, everyone should just be trained in. God, that really sucks. I don't see why that's happening. And what I will say is maybe next time, why don't you do these three things? Because it sounds like you actually are doing all the right things, so would you film it next time and then come back because we can see what's going on? Because we can't see it in the technology. There's nothing. The computer's not telling us anything, and it sounds like you're doing everything right. Blow smoke up my ass. That would be great. Just tell me I did everything right, and what to do next time it happens. And then, even though they didn't do that, did I buy something I didn't need? Fuck yeah, I did, and I am really excited about it. I'm really excited about it. In fact, it probably come a win later on.


    Lesley Logan 3:25  

    But I bought myself these headphones that they also said you don't need those because you have the AirPod Three Pros, and I was, yeah, but they're not noise canceling enough, and you don't understand. Last year I was, this is how dramatic I do sound dramatic. If waterboarding could be a baby's cry, right? That's what it was for 15 hours on a flight. And my AirPods, now they weren't the Three Pros; they were the two. At any rate, they cut. They did nothing. Zero, nothing. I even put a sweatshirt hoodie over me. I tried everything. 17 hours of flight, 15 hours of nonstop crying. So I bought these things. I didn't need. This is not my win, but they also didn't want to sell me that. People don't know what you're talking about. I put them on while the landscaper was doing his leaf blower outside my office, and I barely heard it. I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm gonna have the best flights to Asia. I have three in Q4, three, and I'm gonna have the best ones, all because my computer did something stupid that they couldn't figure out. So my computer actually, my computer was looking out for me. Maybe I shouldn't yell at it so much. Anyways, okay. Thanks for going that journey with me.


    Lesley Logan 4:11  

    My win is my YouTube, my YouTube channel growth. Oh my God, you guys! I don't know if you know this, but my YouTube channel has been a real time, 12-year Be It Till You See It. I didn't ever want to do it. I would get nervous every time I'd film the videos. I would cry during some of the times because you don't even understand. 12 years ago, you couldn't even afford a tripod. My young friends who are listening couldn't even afford a tripod. That was $175 or $125, and even then, it was hard to find the thing would hold the iPhone because you didn't film. Your iPhones. You film with a DSLR. Wow, I didn't even know I would pull those letters out of my mouth. And so we didn't have lights. We didn't have microphones. Oh my God, a microphone so expensive. So, anyways, I used to just yell at the camera. But here we are, 12 years later, and in the last couple months, the channel has been growing so much, and I really have that that win is a collective community effort because I have several people on the team who help me make this magic happen. I met an incredible expert consultant who gave me some really great tips, and I'm so grateful for him. And I'm just grateful for all of you for subscribing to it and being part of it. So it's not the podcast YouTube channel; it's the OPC YouTube channel. Although you can subscribe to the podcast YouTube channel and tell me how you like it. If you like watching the videos, I recognize that I don't look at the camera most of the time on this because I just look around the room because I don't know ADHD is real and it's hard to look at a green dot all day. But at any rate, my online Pilates classes YouTube channel's growth has been so wonderfully organic, beautiful, and it's just nice to see that the work I'm putting out there is something that's helping you and the people are sharing with their friends, and I'm grateful. I'm grateful. I'm grateful. I'm grateful. And if you have yet not subscribed to that, and you want to support this podcast and me, subscribe to my YouTube channel. That's a great way to do it. All right, thank you. That's my win. 


    Lesley Logan 6:16  

    Okay, your win. Ready? @lakesaintlouisliving I did two Pilates classes at two different studios with two tough instructors, and I didn't die. I love it. That's a great win. That's a great win. Brad just did a Pilates session with me today, and he didn't die because you want to know something. You're not going to die. It's going to be hard. Might be uncomfortable, but you're going to find something new in yourself, and you're not going to die. And then that is practice that you can do hard things. See, Pilates is helping you practice. If you don't die during that, you're not going to die in other things. So there you go. Challenge yourself. I love that.


    Lesley Logan 6:49  

    All right, let's get you a mantra and get you on your weekend. I treat myself with kindness and understanding. I treat myself with kindness and understanding. Oh, do you do that? Do you feel a cognitive dissonance? Is that what you have to Be It Till You See It this week? Treat myself with kindness and understanding. Love you so much, Be It, babe. Thank you so much for supporting this podcast any way you can. Subscribing to our OPC YouTube channel, subscribing to OPC, or buying flashcards. We it means the world to us. And by the way, when you buy those flashcards, it supports the Nevada SPCA as well. So look at you supporting so many people with just one action. You are awesome. Go Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 7:25  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


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  • 737. You Have to Know What Success Means to You

    Part one of the comparison series exposed how fast somebody else's goals become your own. Part two is where you take them back. Lesley Logan makes the case that a standard set by your parents, social media, or a season you already left will always feel like falling short, no matter how much you get done. If you have ever hit the goal and still felt behind, this episode will help you build a definition of success that holds up even on a hard day.


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    In this episode you will learn about:

    • The one word swap that changes what you chase all day.
    • How your season should set a fairer standard for success.
    • What burnout reveals about your current metric.
    • Three to five values that make your day easy to score.
    • The old measure of success to retire this week.


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    You have to be it on your own terms before you'll ever see it in your life, whatever it is. Peace, love, true success is something that you're going to define. But also, we got to get there with a regulated nervous system. We can't be an exhausted, burnt out shell of ourselves.


    Lesley Logan 0:16  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:58  

    Hi, Be It babe. Welcome back to our series on comparison, comparisonitis. All right. So last episode, a couple days ago, we exposed our the borrowed scoreboards. We basically talked about how we often are using what our parents or our family or societal expectations are as our scoreboards, whether or not we're good enough person and we've had success. We often are trying to do old life stuff with new life stuff. Sometimes we've even borrowed other people's goals, thinking that that sounds good. I see a lot in business coaching that I do. People are doing something in their studio, and so someone else thinks they have to do it, and then they get stressed out and frustrated by it. But it's, well, that's not part of your business plan. So why did you think if you do it? Well, everyone's doing it. No, they are doing it. Not everyone is doing it. Everybody, there's a lot of reformer students out there. You don't see me thinking that that's a good idea. So, not that it's not, but it's not for me, right? So, and I'm very clear on that. So, I want you to have some that same sort of conviction when it comes to who you are and who you want to become and how you're going to get there. And it's not going to be by using other people's scoreboards and social media's expectations and societal pressures to be something else, because then you're just going to be what they want you to be, right? 


    Lesley Logan 2:07  

    I remember hearing this this line. Oh my God, it would have been like 2011, yeah, 11, and it was if you don't have goals that are clear and your goals, somebody else's goals will become your own. You will be working on towards something. It's either what you want to do or what someone else wants to do. Now, here's the deal: there are some people who love to be a backup babe. That's but that's not what I'm talking about here, right? We're talking about the person you want to become. So, we also in the last episode had some questions you did some homework on. Please make sure you've listened to that episode before coming to this one, because we are going to shift our focus from what looks good on paper to what actually feels sustainable. Some people might even think peaceful or useful, but mostly aligned for you right now. So I really hate the question, and I get it all the time. But what is your definition of success? And I'm really proud to say this. I feel very successful right now. Based on my definition of success, I am successful. I am kicking ass. I'm doing great things.


    Lesley Logan 3:09  

    Now that being said, I'm not done, but I think it's important that you are aware that if you are working towards the person you want to become in your way, and it's very clear, and you're using your own scoreboard, then at the end of this episode, you should be patting yourself on the back. You're very successful, right? But you have to know what success means to you. For me, it is doing the things that I want to do based on the impact I want to have, and prioritizing myself while I do that means I'm in control of my schedule and who and what I say yes or no to.


    Lesley Logan 3:35  

    And when I am out of that alignment, when I feel like I'm working on someone else's timeline or someone else's schedule, then I feel icky and gross, and I have to get back in alignment with my definition of success. But in this moment, majority of the time, I am very much a very successful person. So I need you to understand that for yourself. So go back to the last episode and do those questions if you haven't already.


    Lesley Logan 3:57  

    So first thing we're going to focus on in this episode is the more versus better. So I want you when you are in comparisonitis, or when you're working, when you're putting pressure on yourself to do more. I just need more clients, or I need more time to work out, or I need more of this, or more visibility, or I just need more sit, whatever, blah blah blah. Whenever you hear yourself saying more, I actually want you to pivot it to better. What would be a better client, a better night's sleep, a better fuel source, a better friendship, a better way of taking care of yourself? Not more, right? So instead of more clients, like better clients, instead of more set, it's it's deep relationships instead of more room. It is more spaciousness in my schedule, right? It is better scheduling, better time, better tools and resources.


    Lesley Logan 4:52  

    So replacing more with better, and I think this is really important, right? Because I think we all start to accumulate and we get on this thing and we end up with a bunch of gray shirts because I need more T-shirts. So then you buy some T-shirts and you get more ads for T-shirts, and so you buy more T-shirts and all of a sudden all the T-shirts show up and you whoa! I bought this. I bought a bunch of gray T-shirts. No, that didn't happen to you. I'm the only one who clicks a couple ads and forgot what I did the day before. Yeah, I didn't think so. So really, it's no. I need better quality T-shirts that actually look good after they are washed and look good on me, not just more of them, better ones, right? I know that we're talking about success, and I'm talking about T-shirts, but sometimes it's the easier example to use.


    Lesley Logan 5:29  

    And one of my girlfriends, we talk about this a lot. You know, I've been doing what I've been doing for a long time, so I get asked to do things all the time, and I don't need more big events. I need better ones. So when I am asked, invited, I am very intentional. Who is going to be at this thing? Is this an audience I haven't had access to yet? Is this a way that I can support and make my impact even bigger so that I am not just doing more of the same thing, but I'm doing it better? Got it? I think we got it. 


    Lesley Logan 6:01  

    All right. The next thing is redefining success by your season and your nervous system. So Brad Bizjack has this really cool thing that we all have the same seasons that are in the universe on this earth. We also have those seasons in our life. We have winter, spring, summer, fall. In fall, what do you do? You harvest. It's a harvesting season, right? In the winter, you cocoon in, you, bears sleep. Right, they hibernate, and then in the spring you're planting seeds and really making sure you set yourself up. In the summer you're vacationing. Right, so what is success by the season that you're in, and then also how does that feel? Because it is not success to me if you arrive at the destination of your goal and you're burnt out and you have anxiety and you don't want to do it anymore. 


    Lesley Logan 6:52  

    I've coached a lot of people in Agency who like tell me they want this thing, they go and get this thing, and then they're not happy, and it's really hard. We not go, why can't you just be happy? Like that you you got what you wanted, and all you're doing is finding other things that are wrong in that place. You know, they make big moves because they said that's what they wanted.


    Lesley Logan 7:09  

    They make the big move, and then they are finding bad things over there because there's bad things fucking everywhere, right? But understanding the season that you're in, and then defining the success for that. So if you are, I have a friend who's cocooning right now, and she apologized for something, and I was like, "Well, you are in hibernation. Why are you apologizing for not being able to talk? If you are bare in hibernation, we wouldn't be talking, right? And so I think it's just really, really important that you give yourself permission to be in the season that you're in, and then have a success definition for yourself.


    Lesley Logan 7:44  

    If you are in winter season, not literally necessarily, but mentally, emotionally, goal drivenness wise, you are hibernating. You've harvested. You've just done a lot of work. Then you actually cannot put yourself in a comparison place being in a spring. Cannot do that. You have to hibernate. So, what does hibernation mean to you? What does winter mean to you? If you're in spring in your life, then what do you want to get done in that season so that after your summer you can harvest? What does that look like? Does that look like educating yourself more on something, doing research? Does it look like planting some big seeds? What does that look like? What does that season look like? And then creating a definition of success for you that also allows you to feel safe in your body and get good sleep. You got to get good sleep. Cannot be successful tired. You will die. And the last thing is a practical execution because you know I don't like just good, fun, quippy sayings and inspiration if you can't take action on it. Hello, it is the be it. It's in the be it.


    Lesley Logan 8:52  

    So I need you to have practical execution. So I want you to choose three to five core values, and to measure your days by. I guess you have five, but you have to remember them all, so that you're not relying on vibes or external validation or accolades from other people. I want it to be something you can do this by, right? We've had different guests on who've talked about how at the end of the day they see, like, recap their day to see if they got 1% better. We have some people like Amy Ledin has her cards and she looks at what she did. Did she do the things that was on her card, but and those are great. Like that's kind of it. So you want to have three to five core values that you want to live by each and every day, and then you want to measure your days by that.


    Lesley Logan 9:30  

    So if you say that you have a value of integrity, and you look at your day, and you actually did something that was out of integrity for you, then it's not a time to shame yourself. It's a time to understand. Oh, okay. How can I change that tomorrow? So I'm back in integrity. If you have a value of authenticity, but you found yourself doing things and picking colors based on someone else's branding or pictures or whatever, that is not very authentic, is it? So if authenticity is one of your values, and you look at your day and you realize, wow, you were invited to do something. It would not be authentic for you to say yes to that thing, and you said no. Holy fuck, can you score yourself so high that day, right?


    Lesley Logan 10:09  

    If being integrity is actually doing the thing that you said you would do, and even though there's all these different things that were trying to get to you, but you did the thing that you said you're going to do, even if you feel so tired, you can go, but I did it. I did the thing I said, and I didn't go out of integrity. And yes, life lifed, and I blah blah blah. But I was in integrity, right? So there's just different. I think we just have to be kinder to ourselves, and we can only be kind if we're actually aware of how the rubric that we're scoring ourselves off of. So three to five core values.


    Lesley Logan 10:37  

    If you don't have, if you don't know what your core values are, there's oh my gosh! There's a really good. Just Google 30 core values. Okay, I think James Spark has a sheet on the internet, and you can take a look at this list. Okay, I mean you could just pick the three to five that really stand out to you. Sometimes you'll pick two that are the same. I would actually say and have an integrity and authenticity could be layered, and one of them might be more the word that you're looking for by the definition that you're using, but having core values is good. And if you, I don't know how to pick them. I was like 10 words that I like.


    Lesley Logan 11:08  

    Okay, so then this is what you do: you take your Be It Till You See It life, who you want to be, right? And you are gonna write down things that people say about that person, the version of you you want to be, and then you're going to write down three things you achieved as that person. Write that down. Then I want you to look at the core value list, and I want you to apply a core value to the things people said about the Be It Till You See It version of you and the wins you had when you got to that success. And you will see, oh whoa, these are the things that mean the most to me. And you will just put them down.


    Lesley Logan 11:40  

    At OPC, we have consistency, we have communication, transparency, authenticity, and so it's how we operate, and it's also how our members can know that these are the values we have, and if you have these values, you belong here too. If you have all the same values, we have a couple, right? But these are really, really important because we often go off vibes, and that just doesn't work. I do this all the time. We have a meeting every month about the financial state of our business, and it's because it's too easy to go off vibes, way too easy to go, well, this didn't go as well as I thought, and this didn't go as well as I thought. Then go, whoa, we actually had a great month. So why am I being hard on myself? Oh, because I'm comparing myself to someone else, my old rubric, and I didn't go off the data, not helpful, not helpful, babe. So choose three to five core values that you can measure your days by. 


    Lesley Logan 12:27  

    Okay, it'll also help you understand how to do things in your day. I can't wait to see how you use this because I do think this is a really cool thing that I found in my research for this. And I actually think, especially when you're in comparisonitis, maybe don't do this every day, but if you find yourself in a comparison season of life, this might be the best way to get yourself out of it. So here is your action step this week: just pick one metric of your old scoreboard that you are officially retiring and replace it with a value that protects your piece. So go look at your four to five core values, which one can you replace that old metric by so you can protect your inner peace because you have to be it on your own terms before you'll ever see it in your life, whatever it is. Peace, love, true success is something that you're going to define, but also we got to get there with a regulated nervous system. We can't be an exhausted, burnt out shell of ourselves.


    Lesley Logan 13:19  

    No one says when I my Be It Till I See It, babe. My Be It, babe. That I am looking towards and taking action as if I'm already her is dead and tired. No one is saying that. So becoming the woman who honors her own version of success and saying you're firmly in your choices, even when no one understands your timeline, and that is hard. I know that I disappoint and piss off a lot of people in my personal life, and I'm okay with that because when I do show up with them, I'm the version of me that I want to be around them. It's listening and present and supportive, and it's hard to do.


    Lesley Logan 13:55  

    I guess I wouldn't say I piss, but I probably frustrate them. I'm probably sure they want more. Anyways, your reflection questions: More versus better. So I love this. I hope you did too. So where are you chasing more, more, more, more, more, more? And what could, what would be a better replacement? Is it better, better boundaries, higher quality, that kind of thing? Okay. Next metric is in your last achievement? Did reaching that goal leave you feeling safe and spacious, or fried and anxious? So, if you look at your last achievement, if when the time you got there you couldn't even celebrate because you're so tired, we have to redefine your metric. That is a big sign. Hey, but if you got there and you were so excited you could celebrate and be there and enjoy it, good job. Keep that metric. 


    Lesley Logan 14:42  

    Now, the next thing I want you to look at is, in the current season you're in, what are you allowing success to look like? And then, looking at five or 10 years ago, what was the definition you're off operating off of? If it's the same, my love, I promise you, you're in a different season. And so you could probably immediately take some pressure off your shoulders. So redefine. And lastly, what are your three internal values that would help you to know if today was successful? Make sure you put them on a Post-it. Make sure you start your day looking at that. Make sure you write down action steps you can take to get there. Comparison does suck, but it's also not terrible. And so, what I will say, because I said in the first episode, it's often just a highlighter, a flashlight, a magnifying glass, a little beep beep beep beep beep.


    Lesley Logan 15:33  

    There's something about this that you want, whether it's a vibe, emotion, a value, an impact. There's something that you want, and it's hard to Be It Till We See It. If we can't see the thing that we want, even if it's not the exact thing, I can look at a friend of mine and I can see the ease at which she does some things. I don't actually want to do the thing she's doing, but I can see that ease. And if I hadn't seen that, I wouldn't have known that I actually want that in my life, as I do the thing that I'm doing, right? Does that make sense? So please don't shame yourself if you do compare. Market research is important, but if you are feeling like you're going into a spiral, if comparison is high, then you got to get clear on who you are, what you want to be, and the values that you want to live by to get there.


    Lesley Logan 16:25  

    Be It babe, I hope this is helpful for you. I hope this took the inspiration that a lot of our guests have given us and helped you put it into place where you can apply it to your life today. And I would love to hear what your takeaways are. So please tag the Be It Pod, share the series with a friend who needs to hear it. Maybe you guys can answer these questions together and support each other, and hold each other accountable. And if you have a topic you would like me to go into, if you have questions based on this that I could maybe do some other episodes on, please send them into beitpod.com/questions. And then lastly, to support this podcast, thank you so much for listening. Every download supports this podcast, including the ones your friends do. Reviews help too, and being an OPC member really truly helps this podcast. It's how this podcast is powered. Thank you so much, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 


    Lesley Logan 17:06  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 17:49  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 17:54  

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 17:58  

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 18:05  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 18:08  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.



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    18m - Sep 25, 2026
  • 736. Why Are You Scoring Yourself on Someone Else’s Scoreboard

    Part one of a two-part series on self comparison opens with the hard truth that most people are not behind at all. Lesley Logan traces the borrowed scoreboards we inherit from parents, from past versions of ourselves, and from a social feed built entirely of highlight reels. She unpacks a goal she once wrote down that was never actually hers, and why envy works better as a diagnostic tool than a verdict.


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    In this episode you will learn about:

    • Letting go of what no longer serves instead of accumulating more.
    • Why feeling behind at thirty said nothing about actually being behind.
    • Envy read as a highlight of what matters, not a judgment.
    • How a goal written on a Lululemon worksheet was never actually hers.
    • Four homework questions to answer before the radical success audit.


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    I really do want you to stop outsourcing your metrics of happiness because you are comparing yourself on data that isn't the right data you need to get to where you want to go.


    Lesley Logan 0:11  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:54  

    Hey, Be It babe, welcome, welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast. Today we're talking about self-comparison, and ooh, I don't know if you were raised on this line, but I was raised on self-comparison is a thief of joy. I guess they didn't have the self part. The comparison is a thief of joy, and you know what? It fucking is. So here's the deal: if you have ever looked at someone else's life online or in your community and felt this immediate sinking pit in your stomach telling you that you are behind, or you just see something, and you're just, "Why them? How do they get that?" I feel that for you. I really, really do. I heard a woman say this beautiful line at a talk the other day, and I'm going to have her on the podcast. She is scheduled, so we will have an episode with her, and we'll probably talk about this deeper. But she had said this, like, hit me. She said, "If comparison is high, clarity is low," and I think if that's all you get out of this episode, then I will, then I've done my job. But today we are going to break down the hard truth. You're probably not behind at all, right? And you know this, you know. But let's talk about why are you scoring yourself on someone else's scoreboard? Because that's what comparison is, right? 


    Lesley Logan 1:58  

    When we compare yourself to somebody else, it's just like we're using someone else's life and their scoreboard and going, "We are behind," but really, you're in your own fucking game. So this first part. So on Thursday we'll have a second part. We're gonna just talk about comparison and do a radical success audit because I really do want you to stop outsourcing your metrics of happiness because you are comparing yourself on data that isn't the right data you need to get to where you want to go. This is called "Be It Till You See It," right? If you are using the wrong metrics to "Be It Till You See It," you're going to end up being on someone else's costume. It's going to be, don't even know what that is. "Be it till you are in their clothes." That's not going to work. So here's the deal: I am a 43-year-old woman who is talking to you right now, and oh my god, I think I was a 43-year-old in a child's body my whole life. Maybe not that old, but I definitely couldn't wait to be at the next level in the next stage. And I definitely compared myself to so many people. Being young was so hard. I was so hard on myself because, first of all, I didn't have a lot of money when I grew up, and all my friends really did. At least, if they didn't, it seemed like they did because they went to Disneyland before I could. They had cars when they were 16. I had to buy mine, right? Like there's all these just different things that they're so. Oh my god! I was in the AP classes, and these people were so smart. My B plus was the hardest work of life that I could get. My A minuses were, and they came so easy to them. Came so easy, right? And so I remember going to college, and everybody was like finding their husbands and getting married. And I was really proud to not get married in college.


    Lesley Logan 3:30  

    I mean, because one, my college was super expensive, and two, I'm, thank God, I didn't marry those men, I would have been divorced very quickly, and I probably would have had a life I didn't want to really have a hard time. So, but I do remember after 30, my 30th birthday. I remember just feeling, "Wow, I'm behind. I am behind." Because even though I knew I didn't want kids and that kind of thing, I wasn't married. In fact, I was broken up. I broke up with my partner, and I was semi-homeless, and I had to start over with my studio and blah blah blah, and I just felt behind. Wow, you know. And then it felt every single month of not being in a relationship with the right person was now I'm not going to get married at least until I'm 31. Then it's, you know what I mean, like. And then I just remember feeling I didn't have it all locked down, and I think a lot of women feel that way at a young age, whether or not you want to have children.


    Lesley Logan 4:24  

    There's this thing we've got to get this stuff done early, and as we know, that's not true. But it doesn't mean that it still doesn't feel true, right? It doesn't. It feels true. And there's also the idea, you know, retirement is around the corner. I mean, it's not really around the corner, but I want to retire early, so it's around the corner. Do I have enough money for that? I, I should have had this many members by now, so then I could do X, Y, and Z. And so it's just, it's a really hard time because there does feel like there's a timeline, and that we're trapped, and that we are behind, even if we don't look at other people, because there's just things we want to have done by now, and the reality is, as a business owner, as long as I've been, everything takes longer than we want. It will always have problems, and all of a sudden, you'll have been there, and you'll be looking back, and wow, how did that go? 


    Lesley Logan 5:13  

    Like I was at Brad's birthday party, and with a friend, and he didn't know how we met, and so I told the story. I was like, "Yeah, that was 11 years ago. That's 11 years ago. 11 years ago, when we got married, fuck. Wow, time does fly when you're having a good time. But also, we have to remember that this is a really good time for us to edit, get rid of, let go of things, not just keep accumulating, because it makes it really difficult to find the success that you want if you're trying to carry all the things from the past decades with you. So, what do you have to let go of? Is it friends? Is it a dresser you've just been shoving more shit in? Is it a car? Is it a job? Is it a goal that isn't yours? 


    Lesley Logan 6:03  

    So, for example, before I became a Lululemon ambassador, this would be 14 years ago, 15 years ago. When you come to the house, you'll see that my picture is on the wall here. It's fucking huge, and I don't know what to do with it. So it's just right there, staring at you, the guest bedroom, bathroom. But they had us do this goals thing: one year, five year, 10 year goals, right? And it had to be health related and personal and business or whatever, successful, whatever. And I put down that I wanted to do a yoga teacher training. I liked going to yoga classes. I had done a Pilates instructor teacher training. I was finishing up my second one, and I was, you know, I should do a yoga one because then I can teach yoga classes because that's what everyone does in fitness. They have 17,000 certifications. They could teach all these different formats, and I should do that. And then six months later, when I looked at that sheet, I hadn't even touched. I hadn't even Googled a yoga certification. Didn't even look one up. And guess what? There was one happening in Equinox where I worked, and I didn't even think, oh, I could do that one.


    Lesley Logan 7:00  

    None of that even came to my mind, and so what that meant was I was accumulating goals that weren't right for the success that I wanted to have, and so my love, we really need to be thoughtful about the things that we haven't let go of that no longer are serving a good purpose for us right now.


    Lesley Logan 7:20  

    All right. So next thing I want us to focus on before we get into our homework audit, I want us to talk about the borrowed scoreboard. Right. So this is ideal. We often get goals from our parents, but are often your parents put goals on you. I hear parents talk about their kids today and what school they're going to go to and how they're going to be, and what sports they're going to be in, and I'm, oh my god, do the, and I can't even keep my mouth shut, which has got me in trouble. Do they even like it? And they're going to like it. They get so defensive at me, and I'm, oh, this is I'm not supposed to talk. They're just supposed to talk at me. Okay, noted. But oftentimes our parents have had goals for us, right? And so we feel like we're disappointing people when we don't do those things, and so then not only do we do them or we try to have fun doing them, we kind of keep that goal as part of who we are supposed to be.


    Lesley Logan 8:10  

    We also have past versions of ourselves that we are using still to think about how we are doing things and if we're doing a good enough job. We 10 years ago definitely could handle a 12- to 13-hour workday and sleep and still do all the workouts and eat really well. And the person of me today cannot do that. If I don't get my work done in six hours, that's it. That's all I have, folks. And I have caught myself going, "Lesley. You should be able to do this. You just sit down at dinner and get another fucking hour of work done," and I just can't. So I can't. That's me in that moment comparing myself to an old self, using that old self's scoreboard and brain and things, and social media sucks for this, right? And so goes back to that thing: when comparison is high, clarity is low. If you open up socials and you are feeling bad about yourself when it's over, my dear, there's a big sign your scoreboard is not your own, because you know that it's all a highlight reel. You know that it has to be. That's the only way this works, because you definitely don't know the people that are made fun of for not having it being the weird ones that are doing something stupid on the strip, and it will be embarrassed that someone filmed them doing that. You don't want that, so you put out the highlight reel, and not to say that you should also put yourself up crying because I really hate videos of people crying. I think we know it's a highlight reel, and yet we'll compare ourselves to others. And the thing that you cannot get in 2200 characters or in a three-second hook is all the things that went wrong before that beautiful thing went up, right? 


    Lesley Logan 9:49  

    It is so. I'm pretty transparent here, so I know you guys know how much shit our business has gone through to get the things going. Because if you're a member, we're very transparent with you. If you're a listener, we talk this happened, and then that happened, and we did this, and now we're here, and now it works, and it's great, and so exciting. But it's a journey. But most people don't share that stuff, right? And that stuff also isn't sexy, so nobody wants to listen to it, anyways, because you just sound like a complainer. But the reality is that social media makes us feel like we're always behind, that we're not thin enough, that we're not pretty enough, that we're not doing enough things for ourselves.


    Lesley Logan 10:20  

    My god, to tell you the truth, I hate how I look on this podcast, and yet I will tell you right now, I don't do anything to change how I look on this podcast. But when it comes out, wow, you don't look at the camera, it's like you can't make eye contact. It would be cool, Lesley, if you just did your hair, you know. But the other thing is, is I also know that I don't really care, but it's just there's just something about it because then I see some other beautiful person on their podcast and it's just crisp and clearly filmed in 4,000k or whatever it is, 4k and 4,000k. I sound like that woman who I had podcasts which is it's 20 2000 2026. 


    Lesley Logan 11:00  

    Anyways, they just look so stunning, and I know how. What I that means that they took an hour and a half to set up that podcast to look that stunning, and I could do that too. But we're not doing that because that's not who I want to be on this. But the reality is that social media often has us comparing ourselves and feeling, "Wow, I do not measure up," but you're measuring yourself to somebody else, and all this, all the support that they have that you may or may not have, right? So I think it's really important that we remember that if we're looking at the shiny front, beautiful things that others are putting out there, we are often ignoring the hidden trade-offs of and the daily maintenance of that lifestyle. We pretend they have such a beautiful background, so that means everything is beautiful. No, probably not. Probably that's the stage that they're showing you. I do yoga with this woman, and I was like, your backyard is so pretty. She's, yeah, and if I were to move this computer three inches, you would see how much storage shit is out here, but you don't because this is the perfect space to look, and so just everybody is hiding all the things that they don't want people to see because they're afraid that that will mean that they're not as successful as they are. But that's not true because they are as successful they are with the junk in the background, right?


    Lesley Logan 12:12  

    All right. So we need to shift out of a comparison spiral, right? Obviously, we need to do that. We obviously need to have that as an ability. And what I would just want to say is, if you are able to notice that you are in a comparison spiral, that is the first fucking step, and that's a great thing because most people don't even realize that they are in a comparison spiral until they're spiraled out of control. So we need to use when we feel envy as this diagnostic tool that tells you where in your current life, what that is, what is that highlighting, right? So, if I see that somebody looks so stunning in their podcast and they just look like they actually know how what they're doing and their stats look amazing, it is a sign that I actually care that I want this podcast to be successful. It actually has nothing to do with whether I think I'm beautiful or not, that I'm capable. It has everything to do with. I actually give a fuck. I care. That's why I'm jealous a little bit, right? If I look at someone who looks like they have it all together because they are articulate in how they can share what their goals are, and they have these quippy sentences that they say, and that the comparison is high, clarity must be low. It means that I care about making sure that my points that I get to come across succinctly and effectively, right? So when you notice that you're having a little bit of that, you know, jealous eye, we call Darla Jelly Grace because she, when we give Bayon attention, she comes over wants attention, right? Because she wants attention too. That's why she's jelly of the attention he's getting. So it's okay to see something in someone else and want that for yourself. It is a highlight of the thing, right? And so, if you can use it as this, oh, this is important to me, rather than some judgment tool, right? 


    Lesley Logan 13:57  

    It's a highlighter. It's an expander tool, not one that is talking about how well you measure up or down, right? It's a highlight. It's oh, it's almost like if you think about in the movie Scrooged, which I guess is Charles Dickens, right? When you're visited with the ghosts of Christmas past and present and future, you just see the life that you want the ghost, the ghost of future, Christmas future. This is how your life is going to be. That's what looking at someone else's life and having a little. That means it's something that you want you to have in your future, and so that really helps you and understand what you do have to audit to get that. What you do need to do to train yourself up to do that. What is what you do actually care about? Because sometimes we say we don't care about something, we actually do care about it, right? We do, and that's okay. So just keep that in mind, because sometimes we get envious, and then we get mad at ourselves for being envious, and really, then we miss out on what the envy was trying to tell us. So this is really, really important. You cannot embody, you cannot be your future self if you are trying to step into a costume design for someone else cannot cannot be it till you see it. If what you see is being somebody else and comparing yourself to that, that's you're not able to make decisions as them because you are not them, and that's okay, right? So you can use that person to be an inspiration and put that stuff on your vision board, but it still has to be you doing those things. And so, how would you do it? And that's where the uniqueness comes in. That's where the beauty comes in. That's where why we can have five different computers out there, and I like the one that I like because they designed it for the person that I am, and they market it that way, right? That that kind of thing. So when you see something, you go, "Oh, well, they've already done it, so I can't do it." No, not true, because no one's going to do it like you, whatever the thing is, whatever the it is. 


    Lesley Logan 15:43  

    So since we talked about why we feel like there's a timeline, why we feel pressure, we've talked about the scoreboards, we've talked about comparison actually just being data and information, and I think we're pretty clear that using other people's stuff and then judging ourselves on it is not helping us out. So what I want to do on the next episode is go to the big question: like, what do we put in the place of comparison and scoreboards that are not our own? What do we put in place of that judgment? So in the next episode, we're going to stop questioning our old way and start actively building your custom definition of success that matches your real life, the life you want to have, and your energy and your current season, because that's what's so important, right?


    Lesley Logan 16:30  

    So I do want to give you some homework questions because I think that that will help us get you ready for the next episode. So even if you are banging these two next to each other, just take a moment, and I want you to take. If you have more than three goals, and your top three goals. If you only have three or less than your three goals that you're currently stressing over. So got them. So who taught you that these specific things equal success? So if you are working on goals and you're until I have this, then I can't have that. Who taught you that? Where'd that come from? You might have to do some morning pages on that. Next question. This is more of a cost-benefit analysis. If you magically woke up tomorrow with the exact life of the person you're comparing yourself to, what hidden daily trade-offs or responsibilities, what do you inherit that you actually don't want? So, if you woke up as a person you're jelly of, what do you think? There, what trade-offs would you get? Right? Oh my god, so funny when I think of that. Oh god, I do not want that.


    Lesley Logan 17:36  

    I definitely love my life because, right, because I wouldn't have the husband I have, or the dogs I have, or the house I have, or the morning routine I have, I'd have to. Oh my god! I'd have to have two assistants, right? All right. So that's their next question answer. Next one we call the envy decoder. Think of someone you envied recently, stripping away their specific job or relationship or lifestyle. What is the underlying feeling or energy that they have that your current life is missing. So that person that you envied, what do you do? You think that they have more freedom? Do they have more ease? Do they have more playfulness, more visibility? Take away the actual specifics and what's the energy and vibe that they're embodying that you have a little envious towards. That's going to help you understand what you're being till you see, because you might not even actually want to do the thing that they're doing. You just might want to feel at ease doing the thing you want to do, and they look so easeful. 


    Lesley Logan 18:25  

    Last one is the version of it, you know, the Be It you are trying to be right now actually yours. Are you trying to fit into costume design for someone else? I remember my ex having a party, and I remember being in this fancy dress I had to wear at this party, and I remember looking around this party and going, "I don't even know who these people are." And remember going, "I don't even want to be at this party." And then I looked at the dress, my ex bought me this dress, but I don't love this. I don't like this dress at all, and just feeling whose life is this, right? So it was my reality check, and then I moved out and crashed my car. But anyways, that's a different story for a different day, and they happen kind of over a month apart, but most of the same time. Don't worry. But I want you to do those questions because I think it will really help you in the Be It Till You See It. All right. 


    Lesley Logan 19:21  

    Well, we have another episode coming up on this topic to talk about those things, and I just want to say thank you for listening so very, very much. Please make sure you share this episode with a friend who needs to hear it. Maybe you share your success audit together. Send in your answers to the beitpod.com/questions. I would love to hear them all celebrate as a win. Whatever your aha moment is, you can be anonymous if you want. And if there's a topic you want us to discuss, you can send that there as well, beitpod.com/questions. And lastly, there's several ways to support this podcast. One is making sure we get more downloads by you telling your friends to listen to it. Another way is leaving a review. So if you haven't done that, I know it's really hard to do, but you can do it on Spotify and you can do it on Apple, and it would mean the world to me. Thanks so much. Have an amazing day. Oh, until next time. Go Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 20:01  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 20:44  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 20:49  

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 20:53  

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 21:00  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals..


    Brad Crowell 21:03  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time. 



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    21m - Sep 22, 2026
  • 735. I Can’t Do the Good Work Saying Yes To Everything

    For some, saying no feels like closing a door forever. For others, it is the only way to protect the work that matters. Lesley is sharing why she turned down an opportunity that would have made good money, what she has learned about brands that drop the people who talk about them, and how a win can be as simple as not feeling bad about it. Maybe there is a yes you have been giving away that you should be saying no to.


    If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co.

     

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    In this episode you will learn about:

    • What Instagram affiliate culture used to look like years ago.
    • Why Lesley is being intentional about the companies she collabs with.
    • Why Lesley said no to an invitation even if it aligns with her business.
    • The insecurity Lesley let go of somewhere along the way.
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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 


    Brad Crowell 0:01  

    Fuck yeah! 


    Lesley Logan 0:02  

    Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:48  

    Welcome, Be It babe, to the Fuck Yeah Friday episode that has no script at the beginning. I just wing it every time, and I wung it so poorly. You'll probably hear a blooper in this episode because I. Oh my god! Normally, don't record the FYFs on Tuesday afternoons because normally that's when Brad and I would record a recap. So I think my brain is like, "Oh, it's Tuesday. You're in the pod room. You must be recording a recap without your husband. It's Friday, and we take some time to just be a human being. Don't have to be learning. We can be living. We can be celebrating what we did do together, and you know I got to get a little thing off my chest with you. Hopefully, you're in your car nodding along and understand my pain. Then I share one of your wins, and then you get to send. You get to be inspired by someone's win. You send it in to me. 


    Lesley Logan 1:35  

    So, okay, here's the deal. There's this weird thing that's going on. So, for those who have been on Instagram for a long time, meaning of like being on Instagram, like you didn't have to have a ton of followers, but like everybody wanted to send you a pair of leggings and then give you 10% off as your discount, but also you would sell the leggings and then you would get affiliate money, right? And so years ago, was everyone and their mom was literally in my DMs trying to get me to wear their fucking leggings. Send me a free pair, and then I just have to post, and I get to have an affiliate link and make three cents, right? So that was annoying. Fast forward to okay. Now I actually want to be intentional about the companies I collab with. I want to make sure it's things that we want to tell you about. So being intentional about doing my research, trying the product, reaching out, being an affiliate for them, and then for them to go, you actually haven't sold enough of the product, so we're going to cancel your affiliation with us. So by not selling enough of the product, they wanted 20 sales in a month. You guys, someone have to have a million followers for that because most people know it takes seven to 10 hours of somebody understanding your brand before they buy something from you. So seven to 17 touch points at the least for some purchase. And so I was so frustrated because it has been 30 days. What'd you think I was going to talk about your stuff all day long every single day? Like this is QVC? No. And so it was just so annoying, and it gave me such a bad taste with the brand because that's just you know I would never do with my affiliates. If you want to be an affiliate of ours, we have it for our flashcards and we have it for Agency, and then we have referral bonuses for eLevate and for the retreat. And if you want to be, we don't go. You have to have minimum sales to get a thing. No, what I have seen is if you do really, really well, you might get better payouts. But to just completely drop the people who've been talking about you because they didn't do a good enough job? Weird. I just think it's weird. I think it's gross. It's not. It's and then all these companies like women supporting women. Fuck you. No, you're not. Because you would just allow me to be an.


    Lesley Logan 3:37  

    If you saw me using my affiliate just to buy stuff at discount, okay, that is one thing, but to just feel you can keep talking about we're not going to pay you because you didn't. I don't know something about it just really irks me because wait, that's not that's not how things go. And you know, there's been other companies have taken really really good care of me, really really amazing, and then they got rid of their affiliate program. Very different thing, very very different thing, and so this is not me bitching about that stuff. It's just like the ones you. I don't know. I just think why can't I just tell people about the product that I love and then maybe one a month come to you? Maybe that's it, right? Maybe get one a month. Maybe actually my people already buy your stuff and they're like, oh, Les likes to do it. I'll keep buying more, but you'll never know, right? It's just weird. I don't know. Why can't we just all get along? Why can't we all support each other? That's all. That's what this complaint is about. 


    Lesley Logan 4:25  

    All right. So my win, my win because I think I've like hit that pinata to death. So I had an invitation to do something that, to be honest, would have actually been fine and aligned with the business, and we would have made it work, and probably would have made some good money on it. And I said no because it was going to affect my well-being and my commitments to myself, and my sleep, and my routines. And I have so many friends who work for themselves who will just say yes to every speaking gig, and they will just work from every hotel, and they just wear this badge of busy. And I cannot do that. And it's really interesting because, like, there is this fear that can come up. Oh my god! If I tell people I'm going to say no to things, then people will stop asking me. And I'm sure that's true. I guess it could happen. But I also really do believe that this is not advice for you if you're brand new at the thing you're doing, okay? But I've been doing this for a long time, a long time. I've been doing this a long time, and I also did so much travel, and then no travel because of pandemic, and then a little bit travel, and then so much travel, and I love it, and I would love to go everywhere all of the time. I'd love to say yes, and the truth is, is that I can't do the good work that I'm doing and say yes to every single thing. So I said no to this thing. I said I can't do it this time, but please keep me in mind for the rest, for other things. You know, it's not a never. It's just not a today, and send them on with some other support. And then I didn't feel bad about it, and I also think that that's a win. Like, whoa, wow, what, what? I'm I got rid of some level of insecurity that was vibrating in my brain. Got rid of that somewhere along the way, and I don't know when, but when I did this, I didn't buzz in. Oh my God, you're gonna invite again? Do you want to be invited? Nope, not not insecure at all. So that's my win. That's my win. I said no, I didn't feel bad about it. So see how easy a win can be? 


    Lesley Logan 6:25  

    Now let's do a win of yours. You can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. Okay, same link for everything. Questions, topics. The questions we answer on YouTube, but the topics we do podcast episodes on or find guests. You can send guest requests in. If you send me Michelle Obama one more time, I love her. Can't wait. Would love for her to be. Cannot wait to be of earn the right to interview her. But maybe someone a little more attainable. Yeah. Okay. I love you guys so much. All right. So this is from @sandaburkemovement, "Set up my new reformer!!!" Oh my god, your new Reformer is stunning on you, and it's been so fun to watch your practice just evolve and change, and you know, the strength that you have, and I just am so glad that you're in my life, that I've been your elevated life, and we get to keep doing this Pilates thing together. 


    Lesley Logan 7:09  

    And then this one is from @pilates_muscles, "Connected deeper to my breath, and made my long legs feel feather light and teaser." Oh wow! Breath is so good. The breath is so good. Ah, I love these wins. Thanks for sending them in, ladies. You are amazing. Keep them coming because you'll hear them in the future, right? You won't hear them a week later when you remember the win. You're going to hear it a month or three later and go, "Oh my God, I did that. That's right. I forgot about that. Right? 


    Lesley Logan 7:37  

    All right. Here is your mantra: Relaxation is my natural state. Relaxation is my natural state. Relaxation is your natural state, babe. Go get it. Go Be It Till You See It. Thank you so much for supporting this podcast by listening, by sharing, and by supporting OPC onlinepilatesclasses.com by either being a member or buying our flashcards, you mean the world to me. Have an amazing day. 


    Lesley Logan 8:05  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 8:47  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


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    Brad Crowell 8:57  

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    Lesley Logan 9:04  

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    Brad Crowell 9:07  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time. 


    Brad Crowell 9:22  

    Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview. Oh my fucking lord! What a blooper! Jesus! Wow!



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  • 734. You’ll Know When You’re True to Yourself

    Saying yes to everyone sounds generous right up until you notice who is actually paying for it. Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell recap their favorite takeaways from the conversation with transformational coach, speaker, and author Peter Kolat, also known as Polish Peter, who landed in Detroit at fourteen with no English and rebuilt his life after a recession and a divorce. Brad gets honest about the job he stayed in way too long and what finally made it unbearable.


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    In this episode you will learn about:

    • What the three letters in DEI actually mean without the politics.
    • The costs of saying yes to everyone and everything in your life.
    • The difference between a business plan and a personal life vision.
    • How to spot the signal that you are on the wrong path.
    • Peter's daily practice for hearing yourself think again.


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    Peter Kolat is a transformational coach, speaker, and author who helps people uncover the quiet beliefs holding them back and rebuild on more honest ground. Known as "Polish Peter," he arrived in the U.S. from Poland at 14 with no English, trained as an architect, and later moved into coaching after a personal and financial turning point reshaped his path. Today he's recognized for a direct, no-nonsense style and a talent for naming the limiting beliefs people can't see in themselves. A Robbins-Madanes certified coach, Peter has spoken at more than 100 live events and authored The Authentic Self Rebirth. He co-hosts The Lifeonaire Show and leads a national coaching company.

     

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    Brad Crowell 0:00  

    You'll know when you're true to yourself if it feels like nothing is missing, right? If something is missing, if something feels like it's missing, then you're probably not being true to yourself, right? You're not being your authentic self.


    Lesley Logan 0:12  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Brad Crowell 0:53  

    Take it away.


    Lesley Logan 0:56  

    Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap for my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the authentic convo I had with Peter Kolat, also known as Polish Peter, in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now. Go back and listen to Polish Peter, and then come back and join us.


    Brad Crowell 1:15  

    Yeah, Polish Peter, I love it.


    Lesley Logan 1:15  

    I know. It's on his Zoom call. It says Polish Peter.


    Brad Crowell 1:18  

    That's what he calls himself. Yeah, he explained it in the episode. I kind of had a good chuckle, but yeah, a lot of fun.


    Lesley Logan 1:24  

    I mean, he's Polish.


    Brad Crowell 1:25  

    Well, there's that. I mean, I hope I would hope he's Polish. He better fucking be Polish if he's calling himself Polish. 


    Lesley Logan 1:32  

    And he's not just Polish. He's from Poland. So there's that. All right. So today is September 17th. Here's the deal, guys. We're gonna get down and dirty because you know what? The day before recording this, I'm a little, I'm a little annoyed. So we're in on this stuff. It is whether or not people wanted to celebrate this day. There, we are celebrating it. It is National DEI Day.


    Brad Crowell 1:53  

    It's September 17th.


    Lesley Logan 1:54  

    That's right. It's September 17th. It is National DEI Day. National DEI Day champions our nation's commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion every September 17th, sharing its date with Constitution and Citizenship. Wow, with Constitution and Citizenship Days. I wonder if the people who aren't into DEI have ever read the Constitution or taken a citizenship test. Anyways, it reinforces values of democracy and belonging. I am zesty today, and belonging. Communities nationwide are encouraged to wear blue and unite to celebrate equity in action. Discover resources, participate in discussions, and support initiatives that foster a truly inclusive society. So, Brad put some stuff together.


    Brad Crowell 2:36  

    Yeah, DEI. Here's what each word actually means, but completely stripped of political charge that's been layered with all of the craziness that's been happening.


    Lesley Logan 2:47  

    Okay, by the way, if anyone's triggered by the fact that we're talking about DEI, they're already gone. 


    Brad Crowell 2:51  

    So yeah, this is probably already gone. 


    Lesley Logan 2:53  

    Yeah, but this is for our people who needed to explain it to their family members. 


    Brad Crowell 2:57  

    Well, yeah, I think it's really important. DEI is just this supercharged acronym. We told my dad that our government is going after people about. They've shut down grants to universities because the university has a DEI class. But what is DEI? What does that actually mean? Right. The D stands for Diversity. The E is Equity. The I is Inclusion. But D includes the presence of people with different backgrounds, identities, and experiences in a group or organization. So that's all different backgrounds, identities, and experiences. This includes, but is not limited to, race, ethnicity, gender, age, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic background. Right?


    Lesley Logan 3:42  

    Yeah. If you're poor.


    Brad Crowell 3:43  

    You're DEI, right? National origin, so that could certainly be people from another country. It could also mean religion, and also side note, every fucking person who's ever been in the military.


    Lesley Logan 3:56  

    Yeah, you're DEI. When we told my family member, we're like, you're DEI. I'm like, you are over 65, so that's an age thing. You are a veteran.


    Brad Crowell 4:07  

    Yep.


    Lesley Logan 4:08  

    DEI.


    Brad Crowell 4:09  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 4:09  

    There it is. You are. I have a sweatshirt that says you're probably DEI too.


    Brad Crowell 4:14  

    Yeah. So that's the D. So E is designing systems so that outcomes aren't predetermined by someone's starting point, so it's not the same as equality, giving everyone the same thing, right? This is equity. Equity means adjusting for the fact that different people face different barriers.


    Lesley Logan 4:35  

    Yeah, I mean, if you grow up in a poor area of town in the U.S., that likely means that your school has less funding, which means if you're able to be a straight-A student in your school with less funding, equity means that they see you similarly to someone who went to a very high-end school versus like, "Oh well, you got a 3.8 at this school, but these people have 4.2's." No, they're like, "Oh hi, that's insane, that's amazing, whoa, we should look at that."


    Brad Crowell 5:08  

    Well, it's adjusting. Yeah, exactly. It's adjusting for the fact that there are different barriers of entry. Right? So that's what equity is.


    Lesley Logan 5:15  

    There's also a really interesting thing. You can see it on YouTube. It was going around during 2020 and 2021, where they just put people on a starting line and they ask them questions, right? Did you have this? Did you have that growing up? Did you have this growing up? And you have to take certain steps forward or backward, and then you look and you see people of different socioeconomic backgrounds and races often are behind other places, and it doesn't mean that we take these other people down. It's that we actually go, "Oh, we should actually account for that and give these people an opportunity to even the drawing, give them a better opportunity at life."


    Brad Crowell 5:52  

    I stands for Inclusion. Whether people who are present actually feel welcome, they feel heard, and they're able to participate fully, or whether they're just technically in the room, right? Making sure that everyone has a voice.


    Lesley Logan 6:06  

    It's like in the '80s, or I don't remember when they, for, "Oh well, that board has a woman on the board, but she doesn't ever get to talk, and her points are never listened to." Then it's not actually included.


    Brad Crowell 6:18  

    She's the talking woman on the board.


    Lesley Logan 6:19  

    Yeah.


    Brad Crowell 6:20  

    Right. Yeah. So who is included in DEI? This is where it often gets—I'm just going to sum it all up. This is often where it gets misunderstood. DEI frameworks were born out of civil rights and anti-discrimination work. So, in practice, the groups most often centered are Black, Latino, Hispanic, Indigenous, Asian, women, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities, and veterans. However, the framework itself is not exclusive to those groups. A white man from rural Appalachia with no college degree is considered diverse in a room full of Ivy League professionals, and equity would ask whether he has had the same shot at advancement. Right? So.


    Lesley Logan 7:02  

    But they would never tell that guy that.


    Brad Crowell 7:06  

    Okay, well, the political fight isn't really just about the definition; it's about whether these frameworks produce fair outcomes or create preferential treatment, right? That's the—that is where the argument is: Is it right for us to give a voice to the guy from Appalachia? Are we giving preferential treatment to him, or is it producing a fair outcome? And that's where, you know, that's now where opinion comes into play, right? It's about that and whether institutional programs built around DEI actually deliver on the premise or become performative checkbox exercises, right? So it's definitely easy to just turn into a checkbox exercise. This is where reasonable people land on different places.


    Lesley Logan 7:45  

    Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know that DEI mandates, the wrong word, but values in a company are always going to be perfect. I think everything is going to have flaws, and there's always going to be blind spots to different things just based on experiences, no matter where you land on the board, but I do think that punishing people because they have DEI as a value system or something that's important to them is wrong, and also just assuming that somebody who is of any of the things we said got there because they were just gifted a thing is just ignorant. 


    Brad Crowell 8:22  

    It would also be wrong.


    Lesley Logan 8:24  

    It's wrong to assume. "Oh, there's a person of color, or a poor person, or a woman, or a queer person in a job. It's because DEI." No, every person who interviews for a job still has to get past the interview. They still have to get there. You know what I mean? It's so interesting to me how people think that something is happening at them. We all benefit when there's different people at.


    Brad Crowell 8:51  

    Oh the stats are in. I mean, the, the if you go look at any corporation that focuses on diversity in their company, they perform better as a company. There's not even any question.


    Lesley Logan 9:02  

    100% So I don't know. We obviously, I want to say about Polish Peter, but I just think it's really important. If you're listening, there's a good chance you're probably DEI too in some way, and if you have family members who are really like, they roll their eyes at those letters, I strongly encourage you to look up and see if they fall in under DEI and explain it to them because what sounds like is that they've been brainwashed that people are having a leg up on them, which is not true. And if they just recognized that they also fall under these things, there are systems for them. Like, this is the thing that frustrates me the most. There are systems for people,


    Brad Crowell 9:38  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 9:39  

    Who think that the world is against them. There are these things. You have to look them up. It's really frustrating, but there are these things. I hear about different things that Vegas offers people in different socioeconomic backgrounds and homes. I didn't even know existed. I'm like, how are people hearing about this? But we do have. 


    Brad Crowell 9:55  

    I mean, we're watching The Pit right now. Again, literally. Lesley's on the third time through. I'm on the second time through, and there's in season two. There is a unhoused guy who he needs a bath really bad, right? And he gets in to they they they clean him up and they start talking to him and everything. And the charge nurse, the head charge nurse, says, you know, you need to work the system. The system is there to support you. You have to learn how to work the system. Right? And and so it's shoot that wrong. 


    Lesley Logan 10:25  

    We have some incredible people on our teaching team and and our team who've had things that are outside of their control, just terrible things that just have sidelined their dreams. And not only did they work the system, and yes, it requires you being on long phone call holds and doing the paperwork and and keeping the receipts, but their kids are benefiting from it and 


    Brad Crowell 10:48  

    Yeah, big time. 


    Lesley Logan 10:48  

    So do it. 


    Brad Crowell 10:49  

    In a good way.


    Lesley Logan 10:50  

    Do it.


    Brad Crowell 10:51  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 10:51  

    And also we are voting in the next less than 60 days. Please consider how you are voting and who supports people. 


    Brad Crowell 10:59  

    Well, first off, make sure you vote.


    Lesley Logan 11:01  

    Make sure you vote.


    Brad Crowell 11:02  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 11:02  

    You can vote for whoever you want, but also think about how that person feels about other people.


    Brad Crowell 11:08  

    Yeah.


    Lesley Logan 11:09  

    You know. Anyways, we got to get into it. 


    Brad Crowell 11:11  

    We're going to talk about what's coming up here and what our travel is.


    Lesley Logan 11:14  

    The upLifter, upLift Teacher Training Program. We're actually onboarding our instructors this fall, so. 


    Brad Crowell 11:20  

    Our educators. 


    Lesley Logan 11:21  

    Our educators, for that this fall and upLift is for people who want to become a pilates instructor or people who have had partial trainings who would like to make it a comprehensive training so they can have a career and longevity in this career. So if you are interested in my upLift teacher training program and being able to do that in person with one of our educators, xxll.co/uws. No, we still don't have a link for all these things, but we'll get there probably next year. It's a 2027 goal. All right. eLevate. That is my mentorship program. So that's for those of you who are—if you're like, "Oh, I would love to learn from you, but I'm already trained teacher." That's eLevate. We have a few spots left, and you can actually watch. 


    Brad Crowell 11:57  

    Well, we might be sold out by the time you hear this in September, but yeah, we'll see. At the very least, get on the wait list for future.


    Lesley Logan 12:03  

    Just go and check, and you never know. And we'll figure out a better way to announce this stuff. lesleylogan.co/elevate. But you should go learn about it and see if it's the right thing for you. 


    Brad Crowell 12:12  

    I mean, honestly, the the the reality is this: that 2027 is already sold out. 2028 is almost sold out, right? So if this is something that you're considering, it's getting further out in the future. So now is the time to start thinking about it because, you know, we might already be talking about 2029. 


    Lesley Logan 12:29  

    And I won't even let them pick dates, so we're not even talking. But anyways, I want you in if you want in. I want you in. It's not some elitist thing, by the way. It's just people always, "Oh, I can't believe I got accepted." It's, yeah, you meet the requirements and why you want to join is why I do the program, and so it's a kind of a first-come, first-serve. I'm not one of those hierarchical. Is that the right word?


    Brad Crowell 12:49  

    Yeah, you nailed it.


    Lesley Logan 12:49  

    Yeah, educators where you must have been teaching 30 years, and you must bow down to me and be in my cult. No, I, I really, if you want to learn from me and you meet the why we do what we do and what you need to have done, then it's a first-come, first-serve. So there is no someone had this training and that's why they're in over someone else. Nope, nope. Also, our flashcards. Did you know that if you want to support this podcast and you're not ready to be an OPC member, there's a way to support this podcast by buying our flashcards. And when you buy our flashcards, you don't just support us. You actually support the Nevada SPCA.


    Brad Crowell 13:21  

    Hey, love that.


    Lesley Logan 13:22  

    And they do fucking great work.


    Brad Crowell 13:24  

    Yes.


    Lesley Logan 13:24  

    Yeah. opc.me/flashcards.


    Brad Crowell 13:26  

    We were able to buy all of the dogs in the. 


    Lesley Logan 13:30  

    Not just the dogs, Brad. We were able to pay for 114 shelter animals' food for one week.


    Brad Crowell 13:35  

    That's amazing.


    Lesley Logan 13:36  

    And at the time, they only had 61 shelter animals, so we probably paid for two weeks of. 


    Brad Crowell 13:40  

    That's what I thought. It was two weeks. The way that it worked out was it's two weeks worth of meals for the the animals that they had, the future pets that they had, and we're really proud of that, y'all. Like this is not just Lesley and I saying this. This is your participation with Online Pilates Classes. We are so excited to be able to write that check, and we write it every quarter, and it's because of you.


    Lesley Logan 14:03  

    And also, we should be updating you on Q3 soon. So stay tuned. We'll see how many more animals we we fed, or how many we paid for the adoption fees for. Anyways, posters.


    Brad Crowell 14:14  

    Yeah, people have asked us where the posters are found. The OPC posters. Just go to opc.me/posters, and then real quick, we're gonna rip through this. Yeah, we'll be in Sacramento in October for Pilates On Tour. 


    Lesley Logan 14:26  

    It's sold out.


    Brad Crowell 14:27  

    It is sold out, but we'll be there, and we'll be bringing the flashcards, by the way. And then Lesley and I literally leave our van, and we take the BART into San Francisco, and we are going to hop on a plane to go to Cambodia to host our annual retreat there, which is also.


    Lesley Logan 14:44  

    Well. It's been sold out for a long time, but you can get on. You're making it sound like no one can hang out with us.


    Brad Crowell 14:48  

    No.


    Lesley Logan 14:48  

    You can get on the wailist because we will not sell tickets to 2027 until January. There is space in 2027 hangouts. But you got to be on the waitlist for that.


    Brad Crowell 14:58  

    In November, Lesley is going to be at a Pilates summit in China.


    Lesley Logan 15:02  

    Yes. 


    Brad Crowell 15:03  

    Just outside of Shanghai.


    Lesley Logan 15:04  

    Still have no link for you, but I heard that they're promoting it on the Chinese socials. 


    Brad Crowell 15:09  

    Yes, it is up and out. We're we're working on that.


    Lesley Logan 15:11  

    Tell your friends in China. Yeah, hopefully I can come a lot.


    Brad Crowell 15:15  

    That'd be awesome.


    Lesley Logan 15:16  

    Yeah.


    Brad Crowell 15:16  

    In December, Lesley's going to India. She's going to be in Goa.


    Lesley Logan 15:19  

    There are spaces.


    Brad Crowell 15:20  

    And there are spaces at the Pilates On Tour there, the POT there. So go to xxll.co/pot 


    Lesley Logan 15:27  

    And Goa, you guys, I said yes because when you look at Goa, you too will say yes. And the way they do Goa is so different. They treat it almost like you're going on a retreat. So your ticket covers the resort, the food, the whole thing.


    Brad Crowell 15:39  

    Oh, nice.


    Lesley Logan 15:40  

    Yeah.


    Brad Crowell 15:41  

    You have food there too. That's great.


    Lesley Logan 15:42  

    Well, of course they're gonna feed me. They always do, but everyone you fed.


    Brad Crowell 15:45  

    Not you, I meant the ticket attendees. 


    Lesley Logan 15:46  

    Yeah, they get everything, and then it covers their their end of resort. We're all at a resort together.


    Brad Crowell 15:51  

    Very cool.


    Lesley Logan 15:52  

    It's gonna be like the White Lotus, but not no murders, no affairs.


    Brad Crowell 15:58  

    Awesome, and then Lesley literally flies from India straight to Denver, which you know that we're in Vegas. But I'm driving the van to Denver. She's gonna fly from India to Denver, and I'll pick her up, and we're gonna hit the road for our winter tour for OPC. 


    Lesley Logan 16:14  

    Weird, wild, and crazy, and people think I'm 30 years old.


    Brad Crowell 16:16  

    Yeah, so come join us. Go to opc.me/events opc.me/events. 


    Lesley Logan 16:21  

    And if you're like, oh, I'm gonna do next year's, just so you know, I've accepted nothing for 2027.


    Brad Crowell 16:28  

    For the winter tour?


    Lesley Logan 16:29  

    No, I mean for any of these POTs or


    Brad Crowell 16:32  

    Any of the events, yes. 


    Lesley Logan 16:33  

    Or whatever. We haven't at this moment that we're recording. We have, I've accepted. Oh, I've accepted one thing, but I haven't had the contract on it yet, so. 


    Brad Crowell 16:41  

    That's true. That's true. Oh, actually, before we leave, hold on, stick around, stick around. We are very excited to talk about the charity of the week. So this week's charity is we're going to be highlighting the Americans for Immigrant Justice. It's a Miami-based nonprofit law firm fighting for immigrant basic human rights for nearly 30 years. Since 1996, they provided free legal representation because, unlike criminal court, there's no guaranteed right to an attorney in immigration proceedings. I just want to say that again. We all know that the court provides us an attorney if we need one, right? We do, we do, we get that, yes. But if you are an immigrant, if you're going through immigration proceedings, that is not a guaranteed right, right? So what do you? First off, you might not even know anything about our legal system, and then what? You're supposed to represent yourself? That's crazy.


    Lesley Logan 17:34  

    Well, we have friends who, because of all this ICE shit, are being thrown into representing people because it's hitting the federal courts now, which is not normally how it goes, and they are having to learn immigration shit.


    Brad Crowell 17:44  

    Yeah, and so, yeah, so this organization offers literally free legal counsel. It's all in the Miami-Dade area, so South Florida, but it's—it's—it's amazing. They've provided attorneys to more than 175,000 people from over 160 countries. That's amazing. They're the only provider offering on-site legal help at Miami-Dade's domestic violence shelter. They do not just immigration, but they also do violence, like domestic violence. They've exposed abusive conditions inside detention centers in Florida and on the Texas border. And in 2025, they won a federal injunction blocking a Florida law that would have made it a felony for certain undocumented people to simply be in the state. 


    Lesley Logan 18:23  

    Wow, this is really cool. And also, I'm sure if you don't live in Florida, I bet you they have friends and colleagues in different states.


    Brad Crowell 18:30  

    Yeah, they're four-star rated by Charity Navigator. Your donation actually goes to real on-the-ground work for people who have nowhere else to turn. And you can find out more at aijustice.org. AIjustice.org.


    Lesley Logan 18:43  

    I love that. It's really important. You know, there's a lot of ish happening right now, and it's, it's very scary, and it's all meant to just scare. It's all scare tactics, but also these are real people who are being locked up in places that it's not how it's normally done. They're actually, when people say, "Do it the right way," a lot of these people are. They actually went to their immigration appointment and they got picked up. It takes a long time. So, anyways, please take a look at how you can support people who have immigrated here in your areas. If this organization doesn't work, there's probably a lot of different ways you can support those in your community. Do that.


    Brad Crowell 19:17  

    Yeah, and if you have a recommendation for a charity that we should investigate and check out, send us a text 310-905-5534, or you can submit that to beitpod.com/questions. You can also leave us a win for the Friday episodes, and if you know, you know. Stick around. We'll be right back. All right, let's talk about Peter, known as Polish Peter and sometimes Polish Tony, for his Tony Robbins-esque style. He's a transformational coach, speaker, and author. Born in communist Poland, Peter landed in Detroit in 1991 at the age of 14 with no English and Big Dreams of the USA, shaped by Hollywood movies. He trained as an architect, but after the 2008 recession and a divorce, he found his way into coaching. Today, he helps people like—all the stories holding them back, and asks the tough, sobering questions that people need to hear, rather than what they want to hear. He does have a book. It's called The Authentic Self Rebirth, and we'll put the link in the show notes, so check it out below. 


    Lesley Logan 20:13  

    But he's got such great energy. 


    Brad Crowell 20:16  

    Yeah, my Authentic Birth. You can find it, and he has a book there. It's free right now, apparently, actually.


    Lesley Logan 20:21  

    No, you just pay for shipping handling.


    Brad Crowell 20:22  

    Yeah, awesome. So yeah, yeah, it was a great convo.


    Lesley Logan 20:25  

    I agree. I don't. I think I don't even remember. Remember when the 747s were falling out of the sky, like they were having issues.


    Brad Crowell 20:34  

    Yeah, sure. Like two years ago.


    Lesley Logan 20:35  

    No, more like before COVID. But there was that. Was it really? Yeah, maybe they weren't 747s. Maybe they were—remember the Boeing? There were Boeings, and there was two that the pilots were trying to do something, and the computer was doing the opposite thing. Yeah, and then you were on a plane to New Orleans, and I had to get on a plane to Poland, and it was one of these Boeing numbers, and I started having a panic attack, and you weren't answering your phone because you were on a plane,


    Brad Crowell 21:00  

    I think it was 2023, babe.


    Lesley Logan 21:02  

    No, definitely not. It was before COVID. We lived in LA, and so I'm texting you, "I think I'm gonna die now. I'm going." 


    Brad Crowell 21:10  

    Oh yes, I do remember this.


    Lesley Logan 21:11  

    And I love you so much. Here's where I come down. 


    Brad Crowell 21:15  

    This was your first trip to Poland.


    Lesley Logan 21:17  

    My first trip to Poland, and they made me check my bag, which you know how much I hate because I said it was too heavy, and so of course I found some tequila and some kombucha, and I made myself a margarita at the airport. And I'm walking around drinking my margarita that I made, and I get myself on this plane. I was like, okay, if the plane takes off and nothing happens in 20 minutes, I think we're okay. So I set a timer, and I'm just sitting there with my timer. What? Nothing happened.


    Brad Crowell 21:43  

    What? No idea what you said.


    Lesley Logan 21:44  

    Well, I was just like watching my timer. I was just watching the timer. I was watching 20 minutes tick down, right? Because I was like, "This is—this is when it's going to happen. It's going to happen the next 20 minutes." And this woman next to me, when there was no one in the middle seat, she was, "I'm scared to fly too," and I was like, "Oh yeah, normally no, but this is one of those planes that goes down, so I'm just scared to be on this one." And she started talking about being living in communist Poland.


    Brad Crowell 22:06  

    She did?


    Lesley Logan 22:07  

    Yeah. And she told me it was so wonderful because she talked nonstop. Even my timer went off. She just kept talking, and she told me her whole life trying to escape communist Poland and how her family got to the U.S. and because in communist Poland you couldn't have access to your passport, so you had to have different reasons to get access to it. And then they watched you heavily when you had access to your passport. And she and her family were able to escape Poland and come to the United States.


    Brad Crowell 22:37  

    That's amazing.


    Lesley Logan 22:37  

    Yes, and it was a beautiful story. It was, and then she's like, "And I'm going back to see family." I'm like, so. 


    Brad Crowell 22:43  

    Why would you do that? Okay. 


    Lesley Logan 22:44  

    But it's not communist. Anyways. But it was. I just, anyways, I thought of her when I thought of that story and thought of her when with Peter because how difficult for his family to come here and then to be a child. Now he's in Detroit. How many Polish people are in Detroit. He's in Detroit. He doesn't know English, and English is. You think Polish is hard? English is hard. So, anyways, he operates, and this is probably why, is because he operates under the belief that life happens for me, not to me. And I know we've all heard that before, but you really do have to think about that in a way that's, that helps you because shit happens, and if you really can think about it, he, you know, in 2008 he lost all the things and his partner and all this stuff, and if he can think about this is happening for me and see the opportunities that are there to grow and to become a different person and to have a different life, so he definitely had some really good explanations. He said, imagine banging your head against the drywall, like something's going to give.


    Brad Crowell 23:42  

    Something will give.


    Lesley Logan 23:43  

    It will, and if you live at a flipped house, it will definitely give. But it's not good. You don't want to do that. He does—he said you should figure out what the root cause of the issue was going on. Like, really going back in time, and I think a lot of us stick to the surface level. This happened, so this is the thing. But there's often a first domino that starts the effect. So he also, I really like when he talked about the different patterns that signal a wrong direction, and we have to pivot. And my God, I know we all hate that word. It's still like a trigger word for us. But there's nothing wrong with a good pivot. I don't know. I'm a pivot queen.


    Brad Crowell 24:19  

    I think it's a great skill to have. I mean, it's also an important time to step back and reevaluate.


    Lesley Logan 24:27  

    Well, I was just talking with some eLevate people this week about how sometimes they get so super focused on this one thing in a person doing an exercise, and I love how you are a dog with a bone on that. But you got to zoom out because if you don't zoom out, you're actually missing that these three things are happening, which is probably why the thing you're zoomed in is happening there. And if you don't zoom out, then you're actually going to be going in the wrong direction. Where if you zoomed out and made a pivot, it doesn't mean you're a bad teacher. It actually means you're, you're going, "Whoa, hold on! I have more information, and now I can take us in the right direction." No, that's what.


    Brad Crowell 25:06  

    Well, I really loved what he was talking about. How do we know that we're being authentic? Because that's just be yourself. Just be authentic.


    Lesley Logan 25:13  

    I love this because everyone talks about being authentic. It's so annoying, but I love the word. Yeah, how do you know if you are?


    Brad Crowell 25:18  

    He said when you are true to yourself, he said, "You'll know when you're true to yourself if it feels like nothing is missing," right? If something is missing, if something feels like it's missing, then you're probably not being true to yourself, right? You're not being your authentic self. He also said that if you're living from stories of what the world told you to be, not how you need to be, right? So it's, this goes back to all the, you know, parallel here is like magazines or society telling you what this is how you should do it, and it's not necessarily the right path for you, right? For me, yeah, I agree. Yeah, you know, so I think it's amazing when you are pressured by something outside of you. That could be your parents. That could be your school. That could be your church. That could be whatever it might be. Your job. There's tension. There's obviously tension there. Sometimes the pressure is good. They're helping you with your path, but you know if the pressure is not good, right? It makes me think of my job that I had before I finally quit. Yeah, I mean, look, my parents pushed me to be a better student. You know, that's a good thing. My job pushed me to do things that could I do those things? Yes. Should I do those things? Probably shouldn't have done those things. You know, there was so much turmoil and tension in doing those things, but I was, I felt stuck. Felt super, super stuck. I need to get paid. I need to, you know, that's what's keeping me here. Is the only thing that's keeping me here is the paycheck, right? And I, it became very clear over time. I can't keep operating this way. I cannot keep doing the things I'm doing, you know, because I am not being authentic to myself. I don't believe in the things that I'm doing. I don't, I don't want to be doing the things that I'm doing, but I'm still doing them for some reason, right? And so, you know, I think that there's that internal frustration that you have, and that is a huge indicator that you're not being your authentic self.


    Lesley Logan 27:21  

    Yeah, I think I look back at my job I had in retail, which I do love and I'm really grateful for. But I kept taking promotions, expecting like the next thing to be better, the next thing to be better, and then I'm like, I gotta move cities, and that's gonna make it better. And then it's—you keep saying, "And then once this happens, then it'll be better." And it's actually no, if that keeps happening, there's something missing, and so you're not fully being authentic. And you got to take some time to think about that means and go get to know yourself. You know, go watch Runaway Bride and see how long it took her to figure out what she liked. You know, it takes time.


    Brad Crowell 27:52  

    Yeah, I mean, you know, I think the idea of getting to know yourself will help you create clarity when you have that tension. It's really hard, you know, to step aside and reevaluate things. It often comes with major life change, you know. For him, he was talking about how getting divorced was a reality check, and it made him do a lot of self-inflection.


    Lesley Logan 28:20  

    Self-inflection, reflection?


    Brad Crowell 28:22  

    Inflection.


    Lesley Logan 28:24  

    Self-inflection.


    Brad Crowell 28:25  

    Yeah, right? 


    Lesley Logan 28:26  

    I don't think that's right. I don't want to correct you, but I don't think that's right. Self-inflection?


    Brad Crowell 28:32  

    Maybe it's self-reflection.


    Lesley Logan 28:33  

    It's reflection. 


    Brad Crowell 28:34  

    What is inflection? What does that even mean?


    Lesley Logan 28:36  

    Well, this is when I'm in—I'm inflecting my voice. Like, I'm doing inflection. I'm inflecting this way. I am doing it like this. Like, inflection is like what you do with sounds.


    Brad Crowell 28:47  

    Well, we're gonna inflect in just a minute. So stick around. We'll be right back when we we inflect on those Be It Action Items.


    Lesley Logan 28:53  

    Oh my god, you guys! It's a Friday night.


    Brad Crowell 28:55  

    It's definitely Thursday.


    Lesley Logan 29:00  

    Leave it in. Just leave it in. 


    Brad Crowell 29:03  

    We'll be right back. 


    Brad Crowell 29:07  

    All right, welcome back. Let's talk about those be it action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Polish Peter? He identifies as a recovering people pleaser. He said that if you say yes to everything and everyone except the things that are most important to you, what ends up happening most of the time is the people who are closest to you get hurt the most. I'm going to say that again. If you say yes to everyone else, everyone except for the things that are important to you, the people that are closest to you get hurt the most. That was really interesting to think about. He also pointed out the people who are always told to write business plans, but nobody ever tells you to write a vision for your own personal life. I thought that was also really intriguing. So, but the thing, but let me get back to the thing about the people get hurt the most are the people closest to you. Think about this. This is—this is actually one of the things we talk about with OPC. You gotta put yourself first so that you can be the better you for your family, friends, coworkers, job, whatever it might be. For yourself, you have to put yourself first.


    Lesley Logan 30:20  

    I agree. Also, I was just watching a shitty reality TV show, and these people were with terrible people, and they're, you can watch the people-pleasers trying to make it work, and some of it was manipulation and coercion, but they're trying to people-please their way out of the situation, and


    Brad Crowell 30:35  

    It was some inflection.


    Lesley Logan 30:36  

    Yeah. And other person feel really good, but guess who got hurt? Their friends, their family, the people they cared about, because those people could see this partner is not good for them, and they could see what this person was doing, jumping through hoops to make this partner good for them. And it's, they ended up losing friends and losing connection with family members. And so you ought to be mindful. Yeah, I agree. Your OPC example was perfect. 


    Brad Crowell 31:00  

    Yeah. Moving on to the business plan for your life, like writing a vision for your life. He said to stop being a people pleaser. He wrote out his own vision for his own life, and he blocked out personal priorities in his calendar to ensure those spots were not taken up by others or other commitments when he was usually saying yes. And he said the payoff was when people would ask for his time. He would say, "Hey, let me get back to you on that," and then he would go sit down and he would think, "Does this align with my vision? Is this going to help me with my vision, or is it going to take me further away from my vision?" Right?


    Lesley Logan 31:36  

    I have a filter.


    Brad Crowell 31:37  

    But also that sounds super selfish. Does this align with my vision? Is it going to help me with my vision, or is it going to take me further away?


    Lesley Logan 31:45  

    I think this selfish needs a rebrand.


    Brad Crowell 31:48  

    Right. So self-care isn't selfish. We talked about that a whole lot back in the day, but the idea here is, yeah, it might sound selfish, but because he had not put himself first in the past, his entire life fell apart. So on round two, he was major change needs to happen. I'm going to run all of these things through this filter of how aligned is this thing with what I need for me. In addition to, I'm sure there's ways in there he can do both, but there are certainly things in there that will not serve him at all. And he's, "Hold on a minute. I don't know if I can do this anymore." So good for him. That's a really powerful thing to learn. And now he's helping people with it.


    Lesley Logan 32:33  

    Yeah. I also definitely understand feeling bad when I say no to things that don't align with what I want to do. It's not about—I don't feel bad, right? While this is going on, we were asked to be somewhere for an event, and we're available, but it's the only month to be fucking home, the rest of the year, it's it, and so I said we can't make it because it's the only month not on plane, and I'm really excited for you, and so of course I feel some FOMO. I feel, "Oh my God, are we letting people down?" And also, I can't do it. I will not be present enough for October events, November events, December events. I can't do it. So it's actually not selfish because going back to the people pleasing thing, if I had said yes, then the people coming to our events the rest of the year are going to get an exhausted version of me, so I had to say no, and it's not selfish; it's self-preservation.


    Brad Crowell 33:29  

    Right.


    Lesley Logan 33:30  

    Yeah. Anyways, I like that he said literally every day be with yourself. I do this all the time, so I couldn't agree more. I actually get really annoyed when I can't be with myself for four plus hours. I think it's really important. Find ways to be with yourself. Some people want to be with themselves in movement. Some people want to be themselves meditation, whatever. But you got to be with yourself without the podcast in the ear. I know this podcast, but so as much as I want you to keep listening, find 15 other minutes to be with yourself. But be with yourself. He suggested being in front of a camera or a mirror and just be with yourself and just be quiet. I think that's cool, especially if you don't do things with the camera. I'm in front of a camera all fucking day. I don't want to see my face anymore, so most of my time with myself is not seeing my face. I really appreciate that, but then it's really hilarious because I'll be with myself for four hours, and I'll put a camera. I'm like, "Wow, I walk the dogs like this." But anyways, I couldn't agree more because I think it's really important that you you just take time to be with you without any extra input. So I love that. I'm Lesley Logan


    Brad Crowell 34:35  

    And I'm Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 34:36  

    We're so happy you're here. Thanks for being here. This is episode 734. That's insane! Insane! Insane to me. But thanks for listening, and thanks for sharing this with friends. It's so fun to hear new listeners who are downloading the podcast and their takeaways, and share Polish Peter's episode with a friend who needs to hear it. Join OPC or get our flashcards if you want to support this podcast in other ways. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.


    Brad Crowell 34:58  

    Bye for now.


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  • 733. Reclaim Yourself: Stop Performing and Start Being

    Peter Kolat spent years saying yes to everyone and quietly losing himself in the process. A transformational coach and author, he tells Lesley Logan how a divorce and what he calls his optimistic depression became the turning point that rebuilt his life. Peter breaks down how to catch people-pleasing in the act, write a one-page vision that protects your priorities, and get honest about who you actually need to become. This one is for anyone tired of performing and ready to just be themselves.


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    • The belief that life happens for you rather than against you.
    • Reading the difference between a fear-driven stop and a real pivot.
    • The hidden cost people-pleasing carries into your closest relationships.
    • Writing a one-page life vision that protects your real priorities.
    • Asking the sobering question that reveals who you must become next.


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    Peter Kolat is a transformational coach, speaker, and author who helps people uncover the quiet beliefs holding them back and rebuild on more honest ground. Known as "Polish Peter," he arrived in the U.S. from Poland at 14 with no English, trained as an architect, and later moved into coaching after a personal and financial turning point reshaped his path. Today he's recognized for a direct, no-nonsense style and a talent for naming the limiting beliefs people can't see in themselves. A Robbins-Madanes certified coach, Peter has spoken at more than 100 live events and authored The Authentic Self Rebirth. He co-hosts The Lifeonaire Show and leads a national coaching company.

     

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    Episode Transcript:

    Polish Peter Kolat 0:00  

    Here's the thing: sign. You say yes to everything and everyone except for the things that are most important to you. I know deep down inside. You do know deep down inside. I know I should not be saying yes, but I'm saying yes, right? And what ends up happening most of the time? The people who are closest to you get hurt the most.


    Lesley Logan 0:19  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 


    Lesley Logan 1:02  

    You guys, I'm excited for this conversation. It's really fun. We got to talk a lot of things. We got to talk about rock bottoms, divorce, finding a partner, authenticity, true authenticity, people pleasing. My people pleasers, you know, hear this podcast. It's so good. So Polish Peter is our guest today. He is an author of a book you're gonna want to read, especially if you are, ah, I know I need to be authentic, but authenticity been ruined. We just have a really great conversation around that, and I think this is really going to help those who are feeling a little stuck. Those need a reminder to keep going. Those of you who've just kind of lost the way or have been, why is this happening to me? All great stuff in this episode. So here is Polish Peter. All right, be babe. I'm really excited. This is gonna be a fun conversation. I already know because I've already talked to this person before, and we're just gonna get into it. Polish Peter, who are you? What do you rock at? Well, are you Polish Peter? Is that your formal name? Should we give a last name, or we just go by Polish Peter? 


    Polish Peter Kolat 1:55  

    No, there is a last name. It's called Kolat, Peter Kolat. But what ended up happening over the years in my industry, I've been now coaching people and things like that, I've been referred to as Polish Tony, like in regards to Tony Robbins, and then the kind of Polish Peter kind of stuck with me. So that's how it just happened like that.


    Lesley Logan 2:11  

    I love it. You know, that's how nicknames come about. I used to always go by my last name, and then people just called me LL, and I was going do I want to be LL, and actually, I do. It's like a whole alter ego. I step into a different power. It's super fun. So you're an inspiration. How did we get here? How did that happen? Did you always be someone who was inspiring, like a Tony Robbins, or was there a journey that got you there?


    Polish Peter Kolat 2:34  

    No, I drank some Kool-Aid. No, I think it was. I mean, I think my whole life. I think there was something that I thought I was something bigger than I was meant for something bigger. I don't know. There was some kind of innate kind of a feeling that I wasn't meant to work for someone else. It was always something that I needed to know, do my own path, kind of a thing. So I think there was always something like that. And the more I started, especially after 2011, I went more into this, because people kept telling me, "Listen, I think you should be a coach. I think you should be the person who's speaking to people because of who you are, your story. I think would benefit a lot of people." And when you start looking from that perspective, you start to, okay, let's do it. Let's try it on. See how it happens.


    Lesley Logan 3:20  

    Yeah, I think we're all meant to step into something bigger than ourselves, and some of us follow that calling, and some of us get stuck. So, do you feel like you did something uniquely different that you didn't get stuck like other people? Was it scary to try to do something bigger than you? What was the journey there?


    Polish Peter Kolat 3:38  

    Yeah, I mean that's a really good question. I think that is true. People do get sometimes stuck, and I think for me it was. Think about it this way: every single person in the world has some kind of a story, right? And I don't think these stories are meant to just die. I think the stories are meant to you help other people on their journey because my circumstances might be completely different, but maybe sharing my story with you maybe will help you give you some kind of different impact that you are going to make different choices in life or inspire you or whatever might be. So I think we're all called to do that. Now I think it kept me going is couple of beliefs that I have. One, I have a belief that life happens for me, not to me. So if life happens for me, not to me, then there must be something behind that. You know what I mean, that drives me. The other thing I have this belief that, and sometimes that helped me, sometimes it didn't really help me, is that I don't quit. I don't quit very easily. And what ended up happening, I when I sometimes talk to my students, and this is not the best of analogies, but at some point I came up with, and I just keep using it. Imagine if you're standing in front of a drywall and you're banging against the wall, something is going to give. Either you're going to stop banging your head against the wall, or the drywall is going to break through.


    Lesley Logan 4:52  

    Yeah. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 4:53  

    And when you start looking, not giving up, maybe sometimes you need to pivot a little bit. But if you don't give up in life, I think you will be able to accomplish a lot more and drive you more towards what you've meant to be here on this earth for. You know what I mean? That you go into your calling, sort of speak.


    Lesley Logan 5:10  

    Yeah, like you just got to keep going. And I do think some people get to a wall and they go, "Oh, this is a sign that I'm not meant to do this." That's what I hear people. "Oh, well, there was that door closed and that door closed. This must not be meant for me, or it's leading you down a hallway. That door, you know what I mean." But so, how do you know if you're supposed to keep going or if you have hit the wall and you're going to break? What's the signs that you look for to keep going?


    Polish Peter Kolat 5:39  

    That's a really good question. That's one of those things that we all trying to figure it out, right? 


    Lesley Logan 5:44  

    I was hoping you had the answer. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 5:45  

    Well, I had the answer, right? I mean, let's bring somebody else in the podcast. Maybe somebody else will know. No, but I think what I've discovered up to this point is this: people, when they stop, why am I stopping? Am I stopping because there is a fear that's driving that decision, right, and worry or whatever might be. If it's some kind of a negative emotion, negative decision, negative something, I think I think that's us just stopping, not because we're not meant to go through that door, and also there might be people around you or things that are happening around you that gives you this pattern that says you're going down the wrong direction. Right? And what ends up happening is the pattern around you says keep going, and you feel like, oh, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know if I am ready for this. And all of a sudden you get a call that you want to be speak in front of 10,000 people, and you've spoke in front of 500 at most ever, and this is collectively speaking, you're like, ah, how am I going to do this?


    Lesley Logan 6:51  

    Yeah. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 6:52  

    But, you know, maybe this is an opportunity that you've been kind of working towards. So it requires some faith, requires courage, right? So if I think it requires the courage, requires this little bit of a faith. I think that tells you that you're going down the right direction.


    Lesley Logan 7:08  

    Yeah, yeah. I've had some people go, "I want to speak on these big stages," and but they won't say yes to a stage of 10 people. And it's, well, if you've never spoken in front of 10, it's hard to speak in front of 100. Recently I actually taught a class for over 300 people, and there was some people like, "Oh my god, I want to do that." And you get, yeah, guess what? I had to teach to five people first, and then at some point that got to be 20 people, and then at some point the number was 50, and then this earlier this year, the biggest number of people in one class was 85, and if I hadn't taught the 85, I couldn't have taught 300. I wouldn't know what to do with 300 people. You have to build the muscle up, and I agree. Like there's that. Okay, we have to take a journey back though, because you have a story. So, before you became an optimism, helping coach, inspiring people to find their way. What got you here?


    Polish Peter Kolat 7:55  

    Well, so I was born in Poland during the communist. Poland was communism at that particular point. Then in '89 got abolished. I came here to United States when I was 14 at '91. Not because I wanted to, it's because my mom was already here, and this was a land of opportunity. Money grows on trees here. By the way, I kid you not, Lesley. I actually, as a kid growing up, I had to believe that there was money trees in here. Imagine my disappointment when I came here. Oh, here's the other thing. One, there is no money trees. There was a different conversation about that. But when I was flying over here to United States at 14 years old on a plane, they played two movies. The first movie was by Eddie Murphy.


    Lesley Logan 8:37  

    Coming to America? 


    Polish Peter Kolat 8:38  

    Guess what? Coming to America. Probably complete coincidence, right? Had to be complete coincidence.


    Lesley Logan 8:45  

    Yeah. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 8:45  

    And the second one was Eddie Murphy movie as well, and that was Beverly Hills Cop when he was in L.A. Okay?


    Lesley Logan 8:53  

    Oh my God. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 8:54  

    So I am resisting coming here, but I'm looking at this movie and I'm, you know what? This might not be so bad. You got palm trees, which, I love palm trees. You got beautiful skies, skyscrapers, sports cars. Right? 


    Lesley Logan 9:08  

    Where did you end up? Did you end up in Ohio? Did you get to L.A.?


    Polish Peter Kolat 9:12  

    Well, I ended up in Detroit.


    Lesley Logan 9:15  

    I don't think there's a palm tree in Detroit. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 9:17  

    No, there isn't. So imagine my disappointment, right?


    Lesley Logan 9:20  

    Yeah. Also, in Detroit when they were going down, because I feel like that's about when yeah.


    Polish Peter Kolat 9:25  

    '91. There was the you know Kilpatrick thing later on and all that kind of stuff, right? So there was the whole discussion, and then you know I went to high school, was learning English because I don't know any English, you know. In fact, I remember thinking to myself, wait a minute, am I Polish or am I polish, right? Because the word looks exactly the same, right? I mean, talk about confusing. I mean, you know, language.


    Lesley Logan 9:46  

    Yes.


    Polish Peter Kolat 9:47  

    So got the you know graduate of high school, went to college, got a degree in architecture, which was inspired by my uncle because he built his entire house. Did you know that? And I'm sharing my story. I'm revealing a lot of the belief system right that was driving this thing, my uncle, and so I'm going to architecture. Graduated high school architecture when actually became an architect here in Michigan. I was developing a lot of buildings while I was doing this. Ended up finding my wife, got three kids. After that, we started you know one kid, second kid, third kid, you know. And I in about 2007, I don't know if you remember what happened in 2008, but I saw the writing on the wall here, especially in Michigan, because we got the big three, and I started my own company on the side, and it was a marketing company to be able to help real estate investors and people in real estate, you know, market themselves. So I kind of started seeing the writing on the wall. I went to in about maybe 2009 full time into that, and I started growing this business. Then in 2010, my wife came to me and she said she wants a divorce because guess what? Peter got lost in the entire business. By the way, one of the beliefs that draw of that was the people pleaser. So gotta make sure everybody's happy, right? So there was that conversation, and so after that, for about two years, I went into what I called my optimistic depression. And when I say that, some people get confused. What does that mean? But if you are an optimistic kind of a person, I think you can understand what optimistic depression is, right?


    Lesley Logan 11:17  

    Yeah, you're like you're constantly thinking there's going to be hope on the other side, but you're depressed on the inside too.


    Polish Peter Kolat 11:22  

    Well, yes, that and on the inside, I remember asking myself that question: What the hell is wrong with me? Right? Because how is it that my whole world basically like crashed for me? Yeah, kind of thing. You know what I mean? What the hell's wrong with me? And when people come to me, you okay? Everything good? Talk to me. Right? Guess what my answer was. I'm good. I'm good. I'm great. Yeah, yeah, great. Right, and people could see it. So that's the optimistic depression. So during that particular time, I actually went through what I call my awakening, and I've learned a lot about myself. And because of that, that's when I went into a mastermind. That a friend of mine, he's my best friend Jason brought me into this company, (inaudible). Was in the mastermind group, and as I started learning all about myself, that's when people started saying, "Listen, you should be a coach because you have this way of speaking to people and asking the questions. Sort of like they call me Frank because I'll be can be frank with you. I'll be the person who would ask and people what sometimes they need to hear, and that's not what they want to hear. You know what I mean? So that's why it prompted that, and and that's when the kind of a journey started. And here I am today.


    Lesley Logan 12:31  

    Oh my goodness! Oh, what a journey! That was a difficult time for a lot of people. That 2007, 2008, but also like a lot of great things were born from there. And so it's interesting. Thank you for sharing that. And I just want to go back to the people pleaser part, and then we'll go back to optimistic depression. So we don't want to miss that one. But you mentioned it, and I want to highlight people who are people pleasers. Think, oh, I'm trying to make everybody happy, but in doing that, you make zero people happy, including yourself. And so, can we talk about what should we? What are the signs you're a people pleaser, and how do you stop? Did you stop? Are you still one?


    Polish Peter Kolat 13:01  

    Yeah. Well, hi. My name is Polish Peter. I'm a recovering people pleaser, right? So, I love your laugh, by the way. I think it's awesome.


    Lesley Logan 13:11  

    Thanks. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 13:12  

    So here's the thing: sign. You say yes to everything and everyone except for the things that are most important to you. And you know, deep down inside, you do know deep down inside. I know I should not be saying yes, but I'm saying yes, right? And what ends up happening most of the time? The people who are closest to you get hurt the most, you know, especially you. How do I, you know, deal with that? Well, when I first started this entire process, one of the things I did. I wrote a vision for my life. What I want my life to look like.


    Lesley Logan 13:43  

    Okay.


    Polish Peter Kolat 13:44  

    Right. Because nobody ever tells you to write a vision for your life. They tell you to have a business vision and business plan.


    Lesley Logan 13:49  

    Yeah.


    Polish Peter Kolat 13:49  

    But nobody tells you to have a vision for your life. So I wrote it out. What does that vision look like? On one piece of paper, in present tense. And then I created a calendar that I started putting pieces from that vision to my calendar, so I started putting things in my calendar to make sure that these spots are not taken up. So, for instance, morning routine that I have in the morning, that's in the calendar. Then I put down 3:30 in the afternoon. I had the gym that I wanted to go hit the gym. Then at 6 o'clock, eat dinner. I actually put that in my calendar. People pleaser, we don't do that. I actually put in my calendar. Then between 10 a.m. and 2:30, 3 o'clock, those are my work hours because what ended up happening after my divorce, I want to make sure that I want to pick up and drop on my kids at school. So you know the drop-offs and pick-ups started like you know 9 a.m. and then I started going and seeing, you know, picking up the kids from school about 2:30, so that was a hard kind of a bounce, right? Hard deadline. And the way I was able to say no to people from that point on is because I knew myself that was going to have a hard time saying no. I would say when someone would ask me, "Hey, can you do this for me?" And I would say, "Well, let me get back to you." I think that's okay for people to say it.


    Lesley Logan 15:05  

    Yeah. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 15:05  

    And then I would go, and I would say, hmm, look at my vision. I go, does this align with my vision? Is this going to help me with my vision, or is going to take me further away from my vision? And majority of the time, it would be a no, would be take me away from it. But I would go back and I would say, listen, I would love to do this for you and with you or whatever because I do. That's the people pleaser.


    Lesley Logan 15:28  

    Yeah.


    Polish Peter Kolat 15:28  

    However, my vision doesn't allow me to do that.


    Lesley Logan 15:31  

    Yeah.


    Polish Peter Kolat 15:32  

    But guess what I did? I blamed it on my vision. I'm no longer the bad guy. The vision is. You know me. And then we had the discussion. But that's how I was able to go and eliminate the whole people pleaser thing.


    Lesley Logan 15:42  

    I, okay. First of all, everyone who needs to literally write down in your notes, let me get back to you. Thanks for this. Let me get back to you so you can copy and paste it. So it's just you don't even have to think about it because you're gonna think about it and you're gonna overthink it and you're gonna rewrite it 17 times and you're gonna say yes to the thing because that was faster. So love that. And then I do love the blaming. It's not alignment with what's going on right now. I have, you know, every day someone's pestering me for something, and I have just been, oh, this, that's not gonna, I can't add one more thing to the calendar right now. But I love that you thought about me. Thank you so much. And it kills me because it's like, oh my god, I should, I should be doing more of that. I should be doing all the shoulds, right? But I, Polish Peter, you and I are very similar. I definitely think that you have to know who you want to be, where you want to go, and it has to be in your calendar. Absolutely, must be in your calendar because if it's not in your calendar. It does not get done. But of course, you have to put dinner on in your calendar because if it's if you're someone who's I fuel myself, I take care of myself. It's got to be in the calendar, otherwise you won't. Because hello, I'm ADHD, and I just realize why am I so hungry? Oh, I forgot breakfast. I didn't. I didn't look at my calendar this morning. I really appreciate that. You know, there's a course like the master class and the what's her name? Who, The Devil Wears Prada is based on? She has a course and she says she always thanks people for the work that they did, and then she will just say we're moving into a different direction right now. Thank you so much for that. We're moving, so you don't have to explain anything anyway. You tell the people the new direction. You don't have to overexplain yourself. It's just not in alignment with what is happening in this moment. So thanks so much. Okay, so now let's go back to the optimistic depression because how did you get out of just the habit of saying you're good, everything's great, I'm great. How did you get to be someone who who isn't fake because to me that's faking it right. That's not a Be It Till You See It thing. That's a faking. I'm faking being happy because I'm supposed to be happy. So how did you step out of that habit?


    Polish Peter Kolat 17:33  

    Well, one I had to recognize that I can't hide it. It's impossible to hide it. People can see it because they were coming up to me, so guess what? The people pleaser in me didn't like that, right? Because guess what happens that they can see it. You know what I mean? So that's one. And two, during the whole awakening process, I started looking from all the different beliefs that I've had. Like I said to myself, like what the hell is wrong with me? So my brain went into the conversation. Well, here is the reason what's wrong with you because you got to be very careful the types of questions that you ask yourself because brain is going to give you the answer. Right?


    Polish Peter Kolat 18:10  

    What kind of answer is it going to give you? Well, the one that satisfied that question and it's going to go back to your past and your circumstances and all those kinds of things going to tell you the answer. So as I started looking from that perspective, I started discovering different beliefs that I formed over my course of the life, and then I ask myself, does this help me to get where I want or is it actually hindering me because are these beliefs from the place of fear, worry, or they're actually from the place of abundance I want to live? So then I discover most of them were not, you know, like the people pleaser. I think it's there is a fear-based kind of a way of living, people pleaser, because for me, one of the big things that I discovered that I wanted to feel important, like I matter, like I'm, you know, someone acknowledging me, those kinds of things. So people pleaser with me will say yes to everybody because I wanted to be the guy, right? At the end, it actually costing me a lot. I started discovering that what's costing me, and then I started basically creating a new belief system. You know, getting back to that authenticity, because if I look from that perspective, think about it: when we were four or five years old, were we fearful? Probably not. Were we curious? Heck yeah, we were. Kids are very curious. They're happy. They're in the moment, right?


    Lesley Logan 19:26  

    Yeah. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 19:27  

    They are just full of you know whatever. So what if I just started doing that? You know, I mean, what if I just got back to that basics of it?


    Lesley Logan 19:35  

    Yeah.


    Polish Peter Kolat 19:36  

    And I was beginning to be more present, more intentional in life, and I think that's what helped me get out of this thing. Because what ends up happening? Think about people who are depressed. A lot of times, they are never in the present moment. They're in the in the past or in the future.


    Lesley Logan 19:50  

    Yeah, yeah. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 19:52  

    So hope that makes sense. 


    Lesley Logan 19:53  

    It does. It really does. It's, you know, like they say, if you live in the past, you're going to be depressed. If you live in the future, you're going to be anxious. It's really hard to be in the present. It can be hard to unravel those habits of not just people pleasing, but also trying to hold everything together when you know you don't want people to know that it's not all there. So I really appreciate you sharing that because I think it's really helpful. You know, you're obviously in a different place now, and I would love to hear your Be It Till You See It for attracting the partner you have now because it's not easy to go through a divorce and change like that. Like, do you want to dive into that? Because I read your notes and I thought, oh my god, this is so funny! I hit a rock bottom in 2013 and single and no car and no place to live and blah blah blah. And so I was like, okay, if I want to have a great partner in my life, I have to make space for them. And I had to, and I was, I had to work extra because I had no, I had to buy a new car and get a place to live in L.A.. And so I was like, how am I going to add a partner in this life if there's no life in this life? Like there's not space. So what I did was every morning I poured two cups of coffee. I poured one for me and one for the future Brad. I was like, I'm gonna be with someone who drinks coffee, and I'm making coffee in the morning. That's what I'm gonna do. And then I protected Thursday nights. I'm like, okay, Thursday nights I will say yes to nothing except for a potential date. And if on the day of I don't have a date, then I'm gonna do something for myself. But I'm protecting this for the person I want to be with, so that I can actually go on a date to meet someone. So, what about you? How did you? How did you become someone who could have someone in your life?


    Polish Peter Kolat 21:29  

    Yeah, I love that. By the way, the little things that you did. By the way, did you drink that second cup of coffee? 


    Lesley Logan 21:34  

    Yes, I did. I became like I had. I'm a two-coffee girl. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 21:37  

    All right, so you were like ready to go, right? 


    Lesley Logan 21:40  

    Yes, yes. My day started early, so I just put one in a to-go container and one with me, and I definitely needed that. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 21:47  

    All right, very cool. So listen. So the way I've approached this, is this, I wrote a vision for that future wife, you know, and I wrote a vision from the perspective of who do I want that person to be like. What are some of the maybe the musts, right? Like for instance, I have three kids, so she has to like my kids. My kids have to like her, right? I'm Christian, right? So she's hopefully going to be Christian. I want her to be Christian too, right? And so many different things, right? And there was must, shoulds, should nots, can't, right? All those different things, and then based on these qualities that I wrote on that piece of paper, big page. I mean, it was I don't know, maybe 30, 40 items on there. It was a huge, you know, and because I had this very elaborate kind of vision. And by the way, one that guy Jason Wojo, he actually encouraged me to do this, and I resisted it for a very long time. And then he finally found the wife. I'm like, well, maybe there's something to that, you know. So I finally wrote it and found this girl in January of 2016, and we started dating, and she was meeting these kind of qualities. What had me be able to go and find this girl? Because at the end of this vision that I wrote, I had to ask myself a very sovereign question, and that is this: Who do I need to become in order for that woman to actually show up in my life?


    Lesley Logan 23:07  

    Right.


    Polish Peter Kolat 23:07  

    Because if I'm a deadbeat and I don't want a deadbeat, then guess what? She's probably not going to look for a deadbeat. So who do I need to become in order for that woman to show up in my life?


    Lesley Logan 23:17  

    Yeah.


    Polish Peter Kolat 23:17  

    So that's the things that I started putting into my life to create this, you know, for instance, one of the things I used to do as a people pleaser is this best foot forward kind of a thing, right? When we go meet someone, yeah, I would show up differently, like I'm all put together or whatever might be. What I've discovered is that actually doesn't work very well for me, so I just like let's be authentic, right?


    Lesley Logan 23:42  

    Yes.


    Polish Peter Kolat 23:43  

    People say you have to wait two days to call the girl after you see her. Well, we went on a date, right? I texted her the next morning and say how was everything. You know what I mean? So you start breaking the rules of what the society says how it needs to be. Because if it's the right person, guess what? She's not gonna care either, right? And that's what basically started it all. And here's the thing, crazy thing, Lesley. But the first girl in January dating her, she didn't align because she was not emotionally available for me. Guess was not in that vision emotionally available.


    Lesley Logan 24:18  

    Oh.


    Polish Peter Kolat 24:18  

    So then we went our separate ways, found another girl in what was like March, April of that year. In June 1st, we started dating, and we started dating. And I know that she's very political, you know. And I'm like, man, she talks about politics a lot. And I'm well, if her political views or my political views are sort of similar, and I go in my vision. Guess what's not under the political views. So I added that in there. But I'm like looking probably category of a should, right? So we kept dating, and today we're married. So it's, you know what I mean, it's when you look from the perspective.


    Lesley Logan 24:56  

    I love this story because I think I went to a college where all the girls wrote the list of what they want in someone, and I was just, okay. That's great. You do need to know where you're going. We all have to have a map. Yeah. But also, so many people don't then look at what they need to attract that person. And when you're, if you're finding that you're not attracting the right person, there is, it's hello. It is you thing. It's not a them thing. A lot of people like to blame the dating pool out there, but it's like yes, and also if you keep attracting that person, there's something you're putting out into the world that is a magnet for that. We either repel people or we attract them, and I want to repel people who are not for me always, all the time. I don't want to be someone who's a magnet for things I don't want. So I love that you were okay. I love this, and this is what I want. But I need to be the person who this person would want. And then it's true; people don't realize that when a relationship doesn't work out, it's not like a failure. It's just information on, oh, I didn't realize how important this thing was to me, or actually, I didn't realize that this thing was a should, but it has to be a must because I thought it would I be okay with it, but I'm not, and that's it's just all information that we have to go out and we get to do and we get to figure out and we learn about ourselves dating these people. I love that so much. I think that's so cool.


    Polish Peter Kolat 26:10  

    That's why I said like it's most people there's a big missing element when people don't do this. You know what I mean? That's like who do I need to become? I think that people never ask the question because they're kind of worried and afraid what they might what the answer might be, and they're not willing to grow into that person.


    Lesley Logan 26:22  

    Yeah, yeah. Well, because it means letting go of stories that don't serve you.


    Polish Peter Kolat 26:27  

    Exactly. Because these stories, some shape or form, they do serve them. That's why they're holding onto them.


    Lesley Logan 26:33  

    I agree. I agree. Polish Peter, what are you most excited about right now?


    Polish Peter Kolat 26:38  

    Well, the one thing I'm most excited about is in the book that I released last year, I just want to make an impact in people's lives and be able to help them grow in their own life. So that's the thing that kind of that's my next mission in life, kind of thing.


    Lesley Logan 26:50  

    That's so cool. Okay, well, tell us about the book. Writing a book is not easy. You had to become a writer.


    Polish Peter Kolat 26:57  

    And I'm a talker, I'm a writer. You know what I mean? 


    Lesley Logan 27:00  

    Yeah. How'd you do it? How'd you go from being a talker to a writer?


    Polish Peter Kolat 27:03  

    Well, I will tell you this: one day at a time, kind of a thing. I start with just one paragraph, one paragraph, one paragraph, and then end up being a book, like a 43,000-word book. I was surprised. I even surprised myself. I was like, "What? No way!"


    Lesley Logan 27:14  

    I don't even know how many words are in a regular book. How is that a lot? 


    Polish Peter Kolat 27:18  

    No. So this is about 180-some pages. 


    Lesley Logan 27:21  

    Okay, that's a good size book. Yeah. Okay. All right. Authentic Self Rebirth. I love it. Okay. 


    Polish Peter Kolat 27:25  

    Authentic Self Rebirth. So, basically my own journey, and I'm looking to help people get back to their authenticity. That's the whole book.


    Lesley Logan 27:32  

    So okay, I want to because I love I want only authentic people in my life, and then also because of the internet, the authenticity word has been totally bastardized, ruined. But I don't think you. I think it's still important to have. So, what does authenticity mean to you? How do we know that we're being authentic?


    Polish Peter Kolat 27:52  

    When you're true to yourself, you know what I mean? Think about it this way: we all know deep down inside whether this that who we are is actually like, if you feel like there's something missing, you know, I have this question: like something's off, something's missing, something is not there. Do you know that you're not being your authentic self? And then the other aspect is that if you're living from the stories of what the world told you to be, how you need to be, and we all have this because at some point, Johnny, when he was in the second grade, he raised his hand and he was all excited to give an answer that two plus two equals three. You know what I mean? And the whole class laughed. And now Johnny decided that I'm never going to raise my hand again. I'm never going to speak up because I want to make sure 100% that I'm right. That's you being inauthentic, you know what I mean. Because now, because the world told you that you need to, you made the decision that I cannot speak up, and I think that's what happens for a lot of people that keeps them away from being fearless, to being courageous, being going out there and making things happen in life. You know what I mean? Because I think we all can impact somebody else's life. So when you start looking from that perspective, I had to. When I went through after the divorce, I noticed that a lot of the stuff that I was being was inauthentic because I wanted. I felt like there was deep down inside. I was supposed to be doing something else or being someone else, but I was just performing. There you go. That's the word. It's not about performing; it's about being. Yeah, and I think most people are performing.


    Lesley Logan 29:24  

    Yeah.


    Polish Peter Kolat 29:24  

    Especially on the social medias.


    Lesley Logan 29:26  

    Oh well, that's what it's for.


    Polish Peter Kolat 29:28  

    Yeah, exactly.


    Lesley Logan 29:30  

    I mean, my favorite compliment. My listeners have heard this before. I was, it was 2019, I want to say, and I was in Australia, and I'd finished teaching these workshops, and I wanted to go to this one store before it closed, and so the host was driving me to the store, and we're having some fun. We're in the traffic, whatever. And the host, one of the hosts, is, "You're the same person in real life that you are online." And I.


    Polish Peter Kolat 29:51  

    Right.


    Lesley Logan 29:51  

    Yeah, I don't know. I actually don't know how to be anybody else. I I don't actually know how to do that. Maybe that's the AuDHD in me. Like I don't actually. I really. Don't know. I can only really be myself, and so thank you for that. And it's it's difficult because what happens is people get rewarded for performing, just like little Johnny learned, don't raise your hand, you'll get laughed at. Other people learn, I get attention if I perform, and so it's hard for people to be authentic because on either side, you know, there's these pressures to be something else, or pulling you to be something else. So I agree. A lot of people do perform instead of being. So that's I like. I think authenticity is when you're being. I love that. Yeah.


    Polish Peter Kolat 30:31  

    Because think about. I used to hate my accent. I want to get rid of it as much as possible. I actually because I will tell you this. Doing events around the country now, right? We, you know, and so I speak in front of people. My team, because we have a team that runs it, there is in the back of the room there is a thing called Peterisms, the words and phrases that Peter says that maybe people don't understand or sound something different. I am not allowed to say the word shift because it sounds like something else. Okay? However, guess what? Do you think that stops me from being me, kind of a thing? No, no. And I think that's what I think is missing in life, that authenticity than just being, because people are always looking from the perspective. I need to looking good, right? I think that's another thing that drives a lot of this conversation.


    Lesley Logan 31:20  

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's so interesting. I, you know what, I don't know a single person who likes the sound of their voice, and I don't even, you know, I'm always oh, I don't have an accent, and then I go places that, you know, I do have an accent. I love your accent. I'm, what are you talking about? I don't have an accent because I'm from California and we don't have an accent. But the people in the South, you sound like you're from California. So.


    Polish Peter Kolat 31:41  

    I hear you.


    Lesley Logan 31:42  

    Oh my gosh! Well, I I think you know what's so fun about this Polish Peter is we're all going to be on a journey, and the more we learn about ourselves, the more the better we get at being ourselves. You know, so thank you for going on this with us and sharing your book and your story with us. We're going to take a brief break and find out what people can find you, follow you, be inspired by you. 


    Lesley Logan 32:03  

    All right, Polish Peter, where do you hang out? Where can they buy your book? Where can they learn more about how to be their authentic self?


    Polish Peter Kolat 32:09  

    Well, they can find the book. By the way, thank you so much, Lesley, for having me. It was great being here. They can find the book at myauthenticrebirth.com. That's myauthenticrebirth. They can pick up the book and just pay for shipping and handling there, or literally anywhere the books are sold, like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, anywhere. And you want to hear more of this accent. You want to hear more of these kinds of mind-shift kind of videos. Instagram channel that I'm constantly under. It's called Authentic Self Rebirth. That's the name of the channel.


    Lesley Logan 32:39  

    I love it. Okay, you've given us some really great tips. I mean, quite honestly, like people can be it till they see it with most of what we just talked about. But what bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted steps can people take to be it till they see it?


    Polish Peter Kolat 32:51  

    Be it till they see it. Be literally every day. Be with yourself. Like get in front of the camera, or get in front of the mirror and just be with yourself, and see when you are feeling comfortable or uncomfortable. And you know what ends up happening because most people do not like looking at themselves, right? And do not like being with themselves. So every single day, I would say, get in front of the camera or get in front of the mirror that you just be with yourself and just be quiet. I used to sometimes I do this exercise in our events, and if you want to do this, do that with your spouse or someone that's very close with you. Stand or sit in front of someone that's maybe a foot away from you, and just look at each other quietly without saying anything for five minutes. It will be the one of the longest minutes in your entire life, and you're going to see so many different emotions, so many different things in each other, and it's one of the most powerful exercises I've done with people because you don't say anything, but you are talking the entire time. That makes any sense?


    Lesley Logan 33:57  

    Yeah, yeah. Oh, I agree. People don't sit with our thoughts very much, and it's true. I definitely had no idea that most of my job would be me looking at myself in a camera. You know, you got to do it. It's a you got to do it so you can get over the things that you don't like about yourself, and also get excited about the things you do like about yourself. And you know, I think that's really a really good thing, and I also think so many of us are so busy in our head we're never with ourselves. So I love this. I love this action so great. Polish Peter, you are fabulous. You guys go get his book and share with Polish Peter and myself what were your takeaways, what landed with you. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Maybe you have an optimistic depressed friend who just needs to be called out in a kind way. They won't know until they get to this part that that's why you send it to them.


    Polish Peter Kolat 34:45  

    That's right.


    Lesley Logan 34:46  

    And you know, I think we all have a lot of us have people pleasing to work on. You know, and it's one of the biggest things you can do for yourself. So, thank you for your inspiration, your tips, your wonderfulness. And until next time, everyone, Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 34:58  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 35:41  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 35:46  

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 35:50  

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 35:57  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 36:01  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.



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    36m - Sep 15, 2026
  • 732. Stories We Need to Keep: Remembering 9/11

    Lesley Logan shares her thoughts on the 25th anniversary of 9/11 in this Fuck Yeah Friday, sitting with why remembering the people behind that day matters more the further away from it we get. She shares a funny win about making a new friend at almost 44, and a listener win from a Pilates instructor who called her own class a banger.


    If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co.

     

    And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.


    In this episode you will learn about:

    • Why it's important to keep the stories of 9/11.
    • Lesley's experience and where she was during that day.
    • Reunion with a former podcast guest that needed no apologies.
    • A listener win on teaching a successful all-apparatus class. .
    • Why it's important to recognize your own value.


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    • Homicide: New York – https://www.imdb.com/title/tt31556143
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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 


    Brad Crowell 0:02  

    Fuck yeah! 


    Lesley Logan 0:05  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 


    Lesley Logan 0:48  

    Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Happy Friday! I just looked at the date on this episode, so I also want to just acknowledge that it is September 11th. Today is our Fuck Yeah Friday episode. It is the episode where we can have a little vent moment. We get to share some wins. We do an affirmation. We just are human beings together. And I just want to say, I'm recording this in the past, and I don't know how today feels for a lot of us. You know, I had a whole different thing to vent about, but I think what I most am sad about on this day, as we approach, it's like the 20-ish, it's the 25th anniversary of 9/11, and I know it's hard for people to watch videos and go back to that time. And I also feel like the further we get from it, the more we forget it happened, and it happened, and it affected people tremendously. And I was watching this show on, I think it's on HBO. It's Homicide New York, and it's a Dick Wolf thing. So it's real detectives doing homicide. So it's SVU, but not because it's the real stuff, and they're real New Yorkers or real cops. And however you feel about that, it's really interesting stories. And on the last season that I watched, the last episode was on 9/11, and they told their stories, and they showed these videos, and they showed these photos, and they talked about their families, and they talked about wearing a suit and running, and the health things that they've had afterwards.


    Lesley Logan 2:12  

    And I think I just want to say, I do understand how hard it can be for us to, every year, watch the video of the attack, but I do think it's important that we remember the stories of the people whose lives were lost or affected by this day. I think that that is one of the most patriotic things we can do in a world where it feels hard to be patriotic. To be honest, I don't feel that way about the fourth, but I just want to say on this day, I felt so far away from it when I was when it happened. I was in college in Southern California, so far away and so young. I didn't have a TV, you know. I didn't even get to see any of the footage because all the only TV that I knew about was in the women's dorms, and we couldn't go there. And so I really felt so far away and unaware of how it affected people, the economy, and so I was reading it in People magazine, you know, that kind of thing. So I'll just say, it took me a little longer than I would like to be completely, fully immersed in all that happened. It makes me sad today that there's people who'd even challenge that it did, or how it did, or why it did, and you know, so I miss the time when we just all got together and really loved each other. So, if you lost anyone or you were affected in any way by 9/11, my heart is with you today, and always, because we can't pretend like those things didn't change us, whether or not you were an 18-year-old at college and unsure of what the world was, or you were in New York, right? Gotta take care of each other. 


    Lesley Logan 3:50  

    Now, win my win for today, and it actually has to do with I made a new friend, right? This is a funny win, but I like to share it because I'm an adult. I'm almost 44 years old, but I'm, I made a new friend, and it was really fun. We were, we, she's been on the podcast, so we talked, and I was on her podcast years and years ago, and then we just didn't connect again. And then she thought of me for a thing, and she invited me, and we just picked up where we left off. No apologies for, hey, it's been six years since we talked. None of that. It was just like, and we were vulnerable with things in our life and just honest and no competition whatsoever. We're actually in the same sort of industry when it comes to coaching, and I mean different. She's in fitness and I'm in Pilates, but it was just nice to be with a person and talk. And our husbands got along. We got along with each other's husbands. It was just so much fun, and I just, it just was really nice. And so my win is, I could have easily not gone to the thing, because Lord knows I had 17,000 things to do. I could have easily not hung out for lunch because they need to drive home and I have a thousand things to do, but I think we both needed time, and so I've made a point to make sure that I reach out to her regularly because I am notorious for Aquarius brain. You're in there, and I'm thinking of you. But I just want to say, I don't say yes to everything, but if you are feeling lonely, if you're feeling you're alone on an island, then you should say yes to an invitation. You can always leave. Okay, you always leave. 


    Lesley Logan 5:23  

    Okay, your win that you sent in. This is from @etain_pilates. I apparently taught a banger of a class last night. My girls just loved it. It was all apparatus. Congratulations! That's so wonderful. Good for you. You know what? I love when a Pilates instructor acknowledges that they're fucking badass at what they do. Too many people in the Pilates industry are telling themselves a shitty story about how good they are as a teacher or how were they as a teacher, and all that is doing is allowing these VC firms to come in, open up studios with fake equipment, poorly trained teachers. Those poor teachers don't even know that they're poorly trained. They don't know. They think that they're getting a great job doing the thing that sounds so cool. Looks so cool on Instagram, and meanwhile, the most amazing teachers are over here going, "Oh my God, am I good enough?" Well, you are, you are. So thanks for sharing your win. My loves, topics, wins. Send them in to beitpod.com/questions. I want to hear and share your wins. You will want to hear them on days that are hard, like today, because you are doing some great things in this world. You're making magic happen every single day. You're being it till you see it.


    Lesley Logan 6:26  

    Oh, here's your mantra. This is so good. I am my greatest ally. I am my greatest ally. Babe, you are your greatest ally. So go Be It Till You See It.


    Lesley Logan 6:37  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 7:19  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 7:24  

    It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.


    Brad Crowell 7:29  

    Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.


    Lesley Logan 7:36  

    Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.


    Brad Crowell 7:39  

    Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.



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    7m - Sep 11, 2026
  • 731. Most Decisions Are Not That Big of a Deal

    Part four of the Listen to Yourself series moves from analysis paralysis into aligned action. Lesley Logan makes the case that a dysregulated body cannot make a decision that will still feel good tomorrow. She walks through the reality check she runs on every big opportunity, why most choices are experiments rather than permanent sentences, and what changed when she lowered the stakes on a health decision she wanted to rush. The goal is not a flawless choice. It is trusting yourself to handle the outcome.


    If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co.

     

    And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.


    In this episode you will learn about:

    • The energy exchange to negotiate when a yes costs extra capacity.
    • Why treating a decision as too big keeps you from starting.
    • What an exit strategy reveals about a choice you are avoiding.
    • How to tell a spacious decision from an impressive one.
    • Where the outsized pressure on everyday choices actually comes from.


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    Lesley Logan 0:00  

    You don't want to make a regulated decision and then get dysregulated doing the decision. We don't want to do that. Have a reality check. How does this fit in with my current systems that I need? And if I say yes to this and it imbalances something, that doesn't mean it's a no. It just means I need support around that imbalance. 


    Lesley Logan 0:15  

    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:58  

    Hey, Be It babe! Welcome back to our part four of the listening series, listening to yourself series. Today we're going to move from analysis paralysis into aligned action. We live in a world full of so many pressures and pressures that we put on ourselves, pressures that we think people are putting on us, pressures of just what the fuck is going on out there, and we have to make choices. And there's pressure to make everything that we do look impressive or exciting, so people on social even get excited about it. And it's actually just destroying all of our peace. I was on the Balanced Body podcast, Pilates Perspectives, and I said I'm a reluctant social media person because the reality is, is I really don't like when I have to post things for the likes of it all and the shares of it all. I actually just want to post what I want to post about, and that's kind of how I've moved on with my life. But I feel that pressure to make sure that I look impressive on paper because people are trying to sell tickets to things that I'm going to. So I hear you, I feel you, and it is destroying our peace.


    Lesley Logan 1:55  

    And so we're gonna talk about throwing out the pressure of making a flawless choice because sometimes we think we have to have it all figured out before we can tell people about it, or if we can move forward, and that's not helpful. Instead, focusing on making sustainable decision based on listening to you, so we're gonna help choose that next step so that you can enjoy the next 10-plus years of your life, but without having to solve the next 10-plus years of your life, because that's really difficult to do. Just look up at the last 10 years of all of our lives. Do any of us expect this to happen? No. I cannot believe I'm sitting here recording this episode. At the time I'm recording, I've lived here in Vegas for six years and one month, and I can tell you right now that in 2019, I was not planning on living here until 2023. So shows you what we know about being able to solve the next 10 years.


    Lesley Logan 2:44  

    Okay, so first thing we need to make sure we're doing when we are making decisions and going inward is that we must first be regulated. So we've talked about this in past solo series, but if you are in survival mode, if you're in burnout or panic, if you are really struggling right now, I actually think that the most important thing you can do in making decisions to listening to yourself is actually find a way to regulate. What do you need to do? Is it going to see a therapist and then you can make decisions? Is it journaling? Is it listening to some music? Is it taking a hot bath? What helps you get out of the survival mode, feeling, energy, situation, so that you can then make a good decision? Because I never, I'm, I don't say never. I have made exactly the right decisions from a bad place, but the way I handled it wasn't how I would have liked if I had just waited an hour a day to then do the response. I might have still made the same response, but how I would have handled it would have been different, and it would have created less aftermath. Right? 


    Lesley Logan 3:53  

    Brad and I were talking about something yesterday, and I was just like, "You, you can send this email." And he was at the end of like, I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow because I want to get my thoughts out. And so I think it's just how beautiful when you understand that you're dysregulated. You cannot make a great decision that's going to feel good tomorrow. So get regulated and then make a decision. Do you need to write the thing down? I need to make a decision on this. Okay, great. Then leave that posted out. Go regulate yourself, and then make a decision. You'll just feel better. It'll be so much easier to hear you because otherwise you're hearing those other voices in your head, right? The ones that are not really you. There are different versions of you. There are different people in your life that somehow moved in. 


    Lesley Logan 4:34  

    This is an interesting thought. It came up in my research. I think it has some validity, but I also want to do everything in moderation. So, does this fit your actual life reality check? So, there are big offer opportunities that are going to come in your life, and you do need to consider your current situation, health, energy, and the season that you're in. Because the opportunity might be really great on paper, but a terrible timing right now if you're going to lose sleep or sanity, and so I don't want this to be a rule you live by. Because we adopted Darla, and our actual life reality check, we have a tour in two months, and ideally we'd be home for three months with her before we went on tour because we really want her to be in the routines. We want her to be trained. She's still jumping on people, blah blah blah. So obviously, adopting Darla is a great idea because I was listening to myself and I was, I really love this dog. She's fucking cool, and I can get other dogs with this dog. So I would just say, when doing the actual reality check and listening to yourself, I would make sure that if moving forward you feel expansive, as we talked about in the last episode and the first series of the listening series, if you feel expansive and it doesn't fit the actual life, then I probably would still move forward, but figure out how you can move, how you can make it work. So, for example, with the Darla situation, I said we can adopt her if you can find a trainer who can see us eight times before we leave, because we have eight weeks and I want eight connections with a trainer with her. So we did that, and we found a trainer who'll work on our crazy-ass schedule because it felt expansive to have her. It felt fun to have her. 


    Lesley Logan 6:16  

    So another situation I can share with you: there's an organization that reached out to me, and they want me to teach for them next year. And I have been very adamant that I'm not saying yes to anything before May of next year because I have so much going on, and I want to be home to work on it. And I don't want to be distracted and on planes. And so this opportunity is big, and it is after the timeline I've set. So I'm not having to hem and haw and go against something that I said I wouldn't do, but I also looked at where I am in this season of my year. I've been gone for three weeks. Can I still balance everything that I've already committed to in that month on top of being gone for three weeks? The answer is actually kind of yes, I can. And also, if I'm gonna work a little extra hard to make sure I can balance it, then I have to also ask for X per day, because I'm gonna need the energy exchange to be there, right? Because I can't work extra hard to make sure I get my other commitments done in time to be present there, and then get paid half what I need, because while it is fun and it'll be great on paper and it'll be really impressive on social, it does have to refill my cup and money as energy, right? 


    Lesley Logan 7:30  

    So when you're looking at these big opportunities, you do need to think: Am I losing sleep for this? I'm doing something in the end of this year. I said yes to an event, and it's going to cause me a little extra travel, and I just made sure that I have hotels covered so I can get there a day early. I can stay a day late so I can get my sleep and get caught up on my work before I'm on a plane for 25 hours. Right? 


    Lesley Logan 7:54  

    So there's just some things you have to think about a second longer because dysregulation doesn't mean that you're always triggered and anxious. It could be, oh my God, this is the coolest day. I'm so excited that you're not even thinking about the ramifications of the yes. So listening, right, and then asking for help so that you can take on the amazing opportunity without sacrificing the things that keep you sane. You don't want to make a regulated decision and then get dysregulated doing the decision. We don't want to do that. Have a reality check. How does this fit in with my current systems that I need? And if I say yes to this, and it imbalances something, that doesn't mean it's a no. It just means I need support around that imbalance. What do I need to hire, do, get? Right?  


    Lesley Logan 8:30  

    Third, I think sometimes we have to, in listening to ourselves and making decisions, we do need to lower the stakes a little bit. We tend to think of choices as an experiment or permanent sentences. This is how it's going to be forever. If we can actually think of our choices like this is an experiment, I can try this out. I can always go, "Oh my God! I know I said yes to this, but this is not working out." And for the most part, I mean, there's contracts involved and things like that. But I am maybe annoyingly so quite communicative. I think I could say yes to this. Here's why I have to have everything into you by, so I can stay on top of the other commitments I already have. Here's when I would like to do it by, if that works for you. I had somebody ask me for X, Y, and Z. It wasn't really a decision I could make. I had to do it, and I just said yes. You will have it by Monday of next week. If you need it sooner, let me know. But I wasn't expecting to have to do this this week. So, if you don't mind, I'd like to get to the end of day on Monday, right? And that way, I am telling them I'm a very busy person. I heard you. I see you. I will get you what you need, but this is when you can expect to get it by. That way, they're not bugging me because I don't. I'm someone who's not anyone bugging. I don't want any. I don't let anyone down. So, know that most choices are experiments, and you can change things, especially if you communicate that in the first place. Oh yes, I would love to do this. However, I can only do it on Tuesdays and Thursdays, or I would love to do Y, but I can only do it on the weekends. I have a girlfriend. I'd love to see you, and I can see you on this weekend any day after 2 o'clock. So that way, it's not a perfect sentence because I would hate for it to go. Oh yeah, I'd love to see you. 10 a.m. on Saturday. I'm like, oh, I can't do that. And then I feel like an asshole. No, I literally put it out there in the first place. So the more you listen to yourself and feel, I feel expansive. But this is what has to happen. Great, just share that. It's often not a death sentence, right?


    Lesley Logan 10:19  

    This opportunity Brad was thinking would go one way, and we got information that it's like it's going a different way. And he was so frustrated, and I feel all of your frustrations. And I'm not seeing how this is a bad thing, because we can go yes with all this, and we can go back to this other place and go here's how we can work with you, and it's actually on them. And while it would suck if they don't want to work with us in this capacity, then it wasn't going to be beneficial for us, anyways, right? So lower the stakes of the decision you have to make. Get really clear on it because I think sometimes we think we treat everything like the way parents are treating college. Oh my God, if you don't get into this good school over here, you're going to be a deadbeat. And then that turned in from college to the particular high school that you have to get into, and then that went to the elementary school you have to get your kid into. And if you go to L.A., you are trying to sign a baby up you haven't even had in your body yet, because they got to get into that preschool. Otherwise, they won't get into that elementary school, and they won't get into that, and they won't get into this. Most decisions are not that big of a deal. There are ones that are. There are some decisions that are massive deals, right? There's health decisions that you really have to think about, and that really are going to affect your life. You know, I got information about my breast cancer risk, and when I first got it, it felt like I have to just make this decision, and then that actually made me feel anxious, trapped a bit, frustrated, pissed off. It did not make me feel expansive. It made me feel like it was going to control my life. Then I actually went back to our last episode, got an opinion of someone who went through a very similar thing, just a different experience. She actually did have cancer, and her honesty with me was so beautiful. And then I got information from someone else who also went through something very similar, but even more serious, and that helped me understand. Oh, I'm in a really good situation. I lower the stake. I'm actually getting actually have someone checking on this twice a year. So for right now, the decision that I need to make isn't making me feel expansive. It's making me feel anxious. So let's lower the stakes a little bit. The doctor isn't as concerned as I am treating this right now, and I can take some time to really explore this and treat it like an experiment. And if I was to go with this route, you know, does that feel expansive? What are the pros and cons of that? What does that make me feel like? Okay, that, how does this option make me feel? And I can take the time. And that's even with an important decision. But I do have the time right now. I have the time. Go get your mammograms, ladies. Go see if you can get checked for your risk levels because it's really, really important to me. 


    Lesley Logan 13:01  

    Okay, I think we tend to put some decisions that we have to make in that same high-stakes scenario when they're not there. And so, what if you played around? What if you set the stage? What if you set the tone? What if you set the boundaries? If you was going to go this way, what would you need? That's so helpful, and that's listening to yourself because what I don't want is I don't want you to make a choice that's bold and amazing, and then you second guess yourself, right? I don't want that. I know what that feels like, yeah. And sometimes we do it anyways because you know we're like, oh my God, I got into this. I have the person who can still do it, but that's very different than was that the right decision. I should have done this thing, right? Because of course you're going to have moments where you're doubting yourself, and that's when you get back into whose opinions of you matter. Why are you doing the thing? Listening to your body is that voice that you're hearing even yours? Whenever I'm like, oh my God, how am I going to do this? It's not me. It's the scared people in my my life who were afraid to ruffle feathers. If I listen to me, actually, I don't really worry about ruffling feathers that much. Thank God for being Aquarius. 


    Lesley Logan 14:12  

    All right. So your homework assignment, your Be It Action Items. I want you to take some time to take a decision you have to make, and is this decision leading you toward something that looks cool to outsiders, or is that decision actually spacious and sustainable for you? So, are you making a decision based on what you think other people want you to do, or what other people will think? Are you making it based on what is sustainable and spacious for you? 


    Lesley Logan 14:40  

    The next one is really interesting. I haven't done this one in a while, but if you were to take the next step and you actually hated it, what is the exit strategy? So I do like this one. I just haven't done it in a while, and it is really a good one. So what's the exit strategy? And that kind of is the same thing when you start any business. By the way, you're like, how do I want to exit it? Because how you want to exit actually talks about how you want to set things up, and it can change. But obviously, it's better if you know. So, what's your exit strategy if you actually do hate it? What would you do, right? Because if it is a concrete wall that you created in making this decision, it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. It just means you need to listen a little bit more because it might not be. And then, if you have a way to reverse a decision, then you can do that. 


    Lesley Logan 15:20  

    Lastly, I want you to take a moment and journal about if you're delaying taking action because you're kind of too obsessed with the next decade. Because I do think about, oh my God, in 10 years I'm going to be 53 years old, and then I'm oh my God, how am I going to get the things that I'm working on now to be in the place that I want them to be, so that at 53 years old I could be working on my retirement exit, right? So let me just tell you, you may as well hit dysregulate as a button on my body. It will freak me out. It'll make me actually put too much pressure on everything. Nothing good will come out of it.


    Lesley Logan 15:55  

    So I I want you to ask yourself if you're delaying making a decision because you're making the decision too big and too important. What if you just took one tiny, tiny step of the decision? What if you dipped your toe in the water? Right? Can you take one step and get more data so that then you can listen even more to yourself? Those are your homework and journaling assignments for when you're making decisions and how to listen to yourself. I hope this was helpful. I also just want to say we often worry about the success of decisions we're making, but we define what success means to us, right? If you define what success means to you, if you really define and it really is your definition, you might even find that you're already successful. Then it's not about making a flawless choice. It's about trusting yourself enough to know that you can handle whatever outcome happens. You can whatever the decision is. One of my favorite coaches said, "Your business is not as fragile as you think it is." And I like to think about that on most decisions we have to make. For the most part, they're not gonna create fragility in our life. There are some things that are really big deals, and I hope that we only have to make those decisions. You know, like someone is on life support. That's a big fucking decision, right? Hopefully, they already wrote it down.


    Lesley Logan 17:18  

    But our brain doesn't know how to prioritize what we're going to wear today versus how do I want to invest my money versus like should I call that job back versus you know it doesn't it creates everything as the same pressure so we have to be the ones that actually take that pressure off right and know that we can handle anything. You've succeeded all your worst days you're still here. Thank you so much. I have one more action step for you. I would love for you to identify one decision you've overthinking. It's one decision you've been overthinking. Can you check in with your body, ditch the need to be perfect, and just choose a next align step. My loves, we have to be self trusting before we will ever see the self-trust in our lives, we have to Be It Till You See It. 


    Lesley Logan 18:08  

    That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.


    Brad Crowell 18:51  

    It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.


    Lesley Logan 18:56  

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    Brad Crowell 19:00  

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    Lesley Logan 19:07  

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    Brad Crowell 19:10  

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