For some, engaging in politics looks like watching particular cable news or social media networks and then amplifying whatever voices align with their own particular values or biases. But perhaps the key to healthy political engagement isn’t about spending time watching C-SPAN, but instead is about focusing on the people we are becoming.

In this last episode of season 5 of The Disrupters, Kaitlyn Schiess welcomes Michael Wear, founder of the Center for Christianity and Public Life. Together they explore the necessity of spiritual formation as an essential part of civic involvement and discuss the “election stress syndrome” that many have experienced after 2016. Wear also offers insights from his upcoming book The Spirit of Our Politics to challenge conventional ideas of what it means to be a faithful Christian in the realm of politics.

Tune into this fascinating conversation on navigating the intersection of faith and politics with wisdom and grace.

This episode highlights the following themes:

• The spiritual discipline of political engagement or abstention
• Distinction between meaningful political participation and political passivity
• The role of character and deep listening in transforming political discourse

Links from this episode:

• Get to know more about Michael Wear
• Learn more about the Center for Christianity and Public Life
• Check out Wear’s IVP book, Compassion (&) Conviction
• Check out Wear’s upcoming book, The Spirit of Our Politics
• Uncover insights from Politics is for Power by Eitan Hersh
• Read the document, Montgomery Improvement Association 
• Learn About Mack McCarter, Founder of Community Renewal in Louisiana
• Learn About the Impact of Lead for America, American Connection Corps

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When surrounded by all the needs in the world, people can become overwhelmed and paralyzed to even begin to engage politically if at all. But instead of thinking about every issue to engage in, perhaps the way forward is to find areas of deep focus and personal interest.

In this fascinating dive into the convergence of personal faith and public life, host Kaitlyn Schiess welcomes Kathryn Freeman, a voice of experience at the intersection of theology and political advocacy. 

Freeman's journey is a testament to the power of pursuing deeply personal issues as the means to shape one’s public advocacy. Her nuanced understanding of political theology, shaped by both African American church traditions and seminary education, provides crucial insight into how churches and believers can navigate the everyday needs in their communities without getting overwhelmed by the broader political landscape.

Tune in to this episode to discover healthy ways to pursue local political engagement in a sustainable manner that reflects Christ-led, neighborly love.

This episode highlights the following themes:

• The need to limit oneself in political involvement
• The profound political legacy of the African American church
• Relationship-building and its significance in community advocacy

Links from this episode:

• Get to know more about Kathryn Freeman

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

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✅ Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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The impact of empire has far-reaching implications for the church, the nation, and the world. Even Christians who would claim that the kingdom of heaven is the only true ultimate rule and reign can find themselves complicit in supporting and furthering the empires of our current age.

Former presidential candidate Mark Charles wanted to show a different way forward, using the political process to speak truth to power. In this thought-provoking episode, host Kaitlyn Schiess speaks with Charles about lessons learned from his political run and the ways in which trauma has had a particular impact on the white majority in this country.

With a focus on healing historical trauma and rethinking the two-party system, Charles shares a compelling vision for a more inclusive and just future. His perspectives on political reform and communal trauma are not to be missed.

Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of how history shapes modern politics and explore ways to contribute to a more just and equitable society.

This episode highlights the following themes:

• The influence of historical trauma on contemporary politics
• The damaging effects of the two-party system on American society
• Confronting and dismantling systemic white supremacist ideologies

Links from this episode:

• Get to know more about Mark Charles
• Check out his book co-authored with Soong-Chan Rah, Unsettling Truths
• Check out Rachel MacNair’s book, Perpetration-Induced Traumatic Stress

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

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✅ Social Media Manager: Allie Noble

✅ Production Assistant: Isis Toldson and Christine Pelliccio

✅ Podcast Art: Kate Lillard

✅ Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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For many Christians, disillusionment with the church has become more common as a result of institutional distrust and trauma. But internal confusion can also present people with an opportunity for self-examination and contemplation.

In this episode, renowned theologian and ethicist Russell Moore joins Kaitlyn Schiess to discuss the essential work of self-reflection, accountability, and honesty in the face of cynicism. Through prayer, Scripture reading, and engagement in community, Moore encourages listeners to grow from the positive aspects of processing disillusionment. 

What can it mean to be sober-minded, hopeful, and discerning in institutional or political spaces come 2024? Moore suggests that reckoning together with the uncertainty of what lies ahead may be a communal starting place for the church.

Tune in to be challenged by this week’s theme: that personal, internal repair must precede external progress. 

This episode highlights the following themes:

• Processing betrayal, cynicism, and wisdom
• Observing and learning from both positive and negative role models
• Discerning a faithful attitude for the 2024 election season

Links from this episode:

• Listen to The Russell Moore Show
• Follow Russell Moore on Instagram
• Read Russell's book, Losing Our Religion

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

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✅ Producers: Maila Kim, Helen Lee, Travis Albritton, and Andrew Bronson

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✅ Social Media Manager: Allie Noble

✅ Production Assistants: Isis Toldson and Christine Pelliccio

✅ Podcast Art: Kate Lillard

✅ Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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How do the intertwining threads of love and justice weave a powerful narrative of transformation within the fabric of communities?

In this episode, host Kaitlyn Schiess engages in a thoughtful conversation with guest Amy Williams, who has worked in gang intervention and restorative justice for over 29 years.

Together, they explore practical avenues through which Christians can actively contribute to the restoration and flourishing of their neighborhoods, viewing the process through the lenses of love and justice.

Williams emphasizes the importance of walking alongside the community rather than attempting to lead from a distance. Her lived experience reveals that by immersing herself in the daily life of her neighborhood and embodying love, she has become a vessel for infusing hope into countless lives, particularly those of the incarcerated youth.

Her story highlights the importance of doing internal work to sustainably serve others. Williams has had to identify and address unhealthy leadership patterns, seeking support through community, prayer, and mentors, all of which contribute to her continued impact on lives.

Williams' experience also shows that churches can't just come with pre-packaged programs. Understanding the communities - their assets and needs - becomes imperative. Consistency and presence within these communities are foundational in establishing trust for partnership; it's not about one-time events, but continual engagement and support.

Tune in to hear more of Williams' wisdom on dealing with failure, mentoring the next generation, and allowing God's plans to prevail.

This episode highlights the following themes:

• Trusting God for ministry outcomes
• Cultivating healthy leadership by recognizing human limitations
• Highlighting community voices in the process of seeking solutions

Links from this episode:

• Get to know more about Amy Williams

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

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✅ Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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When most people hear the word "politics," their minds immediately go to partisan battles, ideological divisions, and the dysfunction of 24-hour news cycles. 

This episode challenges the conventional notion of politics. Instead of focusing solely on partisan battles, ideological divides, and the often chaotic media cycle, it explores a more profound perspective with guest Luke Bretherton, a professor at Duke University and an expert in moral and political theology.

Bretherton wants listeners to see politics as something that's a part of human nature, not just about political parties or policies. Everyone engages in politics in some way as social beings, and it's up to them whether they do so constructively or destructively. The question is whether people will form common life respectfully through relationships of give-and-take, or take destructive paths that undermine their ability to live together in diversity.

Join host Kaitlyn Schiess and Luke Bretherton in this episode as they present an inspiring vision of how faith and citizenship can become unifying forces rather than divisive ones, grounded in the virtues of understanding and respecting others.

This episode highlights the following themes:

• The theological meaning of politics and Christian nationalism
• Expressing Christian beliefs in a pluralistic society
• Founding community through relationships, not nationalism

Links from this episode:

• Get to know more about Luke Bretherton
• Check out Bretherton’s book, “A Primer in Christian Ethics”

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

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✅ Special offer: Visit ivpress.com and use the code IVPOD25 for 25% off any IVP resource mentioned in this episode.

✅ Producers: Maila Kim, Helen Lee, Travis Albritton, and Andrew Bronson

✅ Sound Engineering: Honest Podcasts

✅ Social Media Manager: Allie Noble

✅ Production Assistant: Isis Toldson

✅ Podcast Art: Kate Lillard

✅ Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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Cultivating neighborliness may not seem to have much long-term impact, but its capacity to bridge diverse communities and ignite lasting connections demonstrates that it can actually have profound and far-reaching effects on our society.

In this episode, host Kaitlyn Schiess engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Shannan Martin about her remarkable journey of cultivating neighborliness in her community through the twin pillars of civic engagement and nurturing relationships. 

Throughout the conversation, Martin not only redefines what true hospitality can look like in the midst of busy family life, no matter one’s temperament and personality, but she also makes the case that a key way to love one’s neighbors is to get involved in local politics.

Her journey is a testament to the idea that meaningful change begins at the grassroots level, reminding us that each one of us has the potential to make a life-changing, kingdom-building impact right where we live.

We invite you to tune in to this enlightening conversation and discover how you can play a part in loving your neighbors in unexpected ways that you may never have before considered.

In this episode, we highlight the following themes:

• Practical ways to get involved in the community and build neighborliness
• Building relationships across differences
• Engaging locally to influence outcomes



Link from this episode:

• Get to know more about Shannan Martin

Check out Martin’s book:

• Start with Hello
• Falling Free
• The Ministry of Ordinary Places

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

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✅ Producers: Maila Kim, Helen Lee, Travis Albritton, and Andrew Bronson

✅ Sound Engineering: Honest Podcasts

✅ Social Media Manager: Allie Noble

✅ Production Assistant: Isis Toldson

✅ Podcast Art: Kate Lillard

✅ Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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American evangelicalism, at the intersection of faith and politics, has been a focal point of public discourse for decades. From presidential elections to heated policy debates, evangelicals have significantly influenced the nation's political landscape.

While faith often motivates individuals to seek positive change, it can also become entangled in complex challenges, leading to what many describe as political dysfunction.

In this episode, host Kaitlyn Schiess delves into this complex dynamic in a conversation with Walter Kim, the president of the National Association of Evangelicals. 

Schiess and Kim discuss the challenges of defining what it means to be an evangelical and how the inherent differences of those who identify as such can lead to misunderstandings. They also tackle the larger societal issues at play, such as the mix of power, sin, and differences, which can create the perfect storm for political dysfunction. The historic and philosophical complexities of religion and society in America further compound the problem, made even more complex by the growing diversity in the US.

Kim shares his wisdom on navigating these turbulent waters, emphasizing the importance of expanding our capacity for love, listening, and understanding. He encourages us to break bread with both those we agree with and those we might perceive as enemies. Following Jesus' example, Kim explains how this approach can transform our character and our witness as followers of Christ.

If you're looking to better understand the challenges of American evangelicalism's engagement with politics and how to respond with grace, this episode is a must-listen.

In this episode, we highlight the following themes:

• Causes of political dysfunction in American evangelicalism
• The role of evangelicals in political dynamics
• Insights into the traditions that influence evangelical thought

Links from this episode:

• Get to know more about Walter Kim
• Learn about the National Association of Evangelicals
• Read Walter’s article, “Biblical Faith for Our Common Life in Complex Times”

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

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✅ Podcast Art: Kate Lillard

✅ Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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We live in a polarized world where conversations, particularly political ones, have evolved into a battlefield of words, frequently leaving emotional scars. 

These discussions are no longer just about perspectives and opinions but deeply rooted emotions and personal experiences. 

But have we ever paused to reflect on the connection between our emotional reactions, our bodily responses, and these complex dialogues?

In this episode, host Kaitlyn Schiess explored this topic with therapist and author Aundi Kolber. With her deep knowledge in trauma and body-centered therapies, Kolber brilliantly combines faith and psychology, providing a fresh lens to view our reactions during challenging discussions. 

Having undergone traumatic experiences herself, Kolber's insights come from a place of genuine understanding and empathy.

To delve deeper into this topic and prepare ourselves for the tumultuous election season, tune into the full episode. You’ll be encouraged to create spaces where you can voice thoughts, listen with empathy, and uphold boundaries, all while remaining attuned to your emotions and bodies. It's more than just a political discussion; it's about forging human connections in an often disjointed world.

In this episode, we highlight the following themes:

• The impact of beliefs about created matter on our emotions and bodies
• Building up a tolerance for feeling and experiencing emotions
• Navigating political conversations with emotional awareness

Links from this episode:

• Know more about Aundi Kolber: https://aundikolber.com
• Check out Aundi’s books: Try Softer and Strong like Water

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

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✅Social Media Manager: Allie Noble

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✅Podcast Art: Kate Lillard

✅Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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Although there are notable examples of evangelical churches with overt ties to political leaders and leanings, many churches take a more ambivalent posture. Many pastors are loathe to even mention politics or political issues from the pulpit. But perhaps they can learn from the example of Black church leaders. As this week’s guest Tyler Burns explains, in the Black church a pastor's role often extends far beyond the walls of the church. They are not solely spiritual leaders but can also exert significant influence within their communities, especially in the realm of politics.

Burns is a dedicated pastor and advocate for community engagement and political involvement. With host Kaitlyn Schiess, they centered on the multifaceted responsibilities and opportunities for pastors when it comes to community and politics, and how Christians in the majority culture can learn from the experiences of often-marginalized voices in the church.

In a society marked by short-lived, emotional change, Burns encouraged pastors and ministry leaders to prioritize deep, transformative soul work. This approach involves going deep within oneself to understand the origins of anger and frustration and to engage with the community before speaking loudly on important issues.

To learn more, to tune in and discover the valuable perspective and insights that Burns and Schiess shared.

In this episode, we highlight the following themes:

• The importance of pastors engaging with their community and being political
• Debunking the popular narrative about charismatic churches and their political affiliations
• Acknowledging the role of grief, recognizing mistakes, and taking responsibility for complicity.

Links from this episode:

• Know more about Tyler Burns: https://chasingjustice.com/tyler-burns
• Listen to Tyler’s podcast: https://chasingjustice.com/podcasts

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

Books to add to your reading list:

• Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley
• Thinking in Tongues by James K.A. Smith

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✅ Social Media Manager: Allie Noble

✅ Production Assistant: Isis Toldson

✅ Podcast Art: Kate Lillard

✅ Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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With another election season approaching, how can Christians navigate the challenging political landscape without losing their souls? 

In this season, we’ll dive deep into the topic of engaging in politics while remaining spiritually grounded and relationally connected.

I'm your new host, Kaitlyn Schiess, and together, we'll embark on a journey of thought-provoking conversations with a diverse range of experts and individuals who bring invaluable firsthand experiences from the world of politics. 

Our esteemed guests include Pastor Tyler Burns, therapist Aundi Kolber, and theologian Luke Bretherton, among others.

Plus, we'll hear from some people who've been in the political trenches themselves, like Michael Wear, the president of the Center for Christianity and Public Life, and Shannan Martin, a current candidate for City Council in Goshen, Indiana. 

Through their stories and insights, we'll be inspired and equipped to navigate the challenges of representing Christ faithfully in our public lives.

So, make sure to subscribe to "The Disrupters" on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the IVP YouTube channel, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Our first episode with Tyler Burns drops on October 16, so mark your calendars. 

Let's shake things up and have some real talk about faith, politics, and personal growth. 

In this episode, we highlight the following themes:

• The challenges of engaging in politics as a Christian
• Kaitlyn’s background in political theology and books authored
• Preview of topics and guests for the season

For its fifth season, hosted by Kaitlyn Schiess, The Disrupters podcast from IVP asks the question, "What does it mean to disrupt ourselves?" Join Kaitlyn as she explores the ways that Christians can prepare themselves—spiritually, emotionally, and relationally—to faithfully disrupt the church and the world. Pastors, scholars, activists, and therapists share their own experiences of formation and transformation to educate and inspire listeners who seek lasting change, both within themselves and in their communities. 

✅ Special offer: Visit ivpress.com and use the code IVPOD25 for 25% off any IVP resource mentioned in this episode.

✅ Producers: Andrew Bronson, Maila Kim, Helen Lee, and Travis Albritton

✅ Sound Engineering: Honest Podcasts

✅ Social Media Manager: Allie Noble

✅ Production Assistant: Isis Toldson

✅ Podcast Art: Kate Lillard

✅ Theme Song: "People" by Lightmuzik

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00:00 - Introduction

00:29 - Kaitlyn Schiess's background and interest in politics

01:30 - Preparing for an election season holistically

02:01 - Guests and interviews in upcoming episodes

02:28 - Episode subscription information

02:39 - First episode with Tyler Burns on October 16

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We've got some exciting news to share—we’re introducing a new voice and a fresh perspective to season 5. Welcome to the next host of The Disrupters, Kaitlyn Schiess!

Before we jump headfirst into all the exciting things this season has in store, let's take a moment to reflect on our journey so far. We deeply appreciate the work of our former host of seasons 3 and 4, Nancy Wang Yuen, who enriched The Disrupters with her unique perspective and thought-provoking conversations. In this transition episode, Nancy officially hands the baton to Kaitlyn, and they offer a sneak peek into what to expect from season 5.

Continuing the hallmark theme of disruption that characterizes The Disrupters, this season we are approaching the theme by asking how people of faith are to pursue disruption of themselves in order for the church, world, and culture to change for better. Through the shared insights of Kaitlyn and her guests, we'll be peeling back layers to uncover the underlying factors within ourselves that contribute to political dysfunction and cultural shifts.

So, mark your calendars for October 16, 2023 and get ready to embark on this new chapter of The Disrupters. Engage with us, challenge us, and let's continue our tradition of compelling conversations and disruptions that lead to a greater flourishing.

In this episode, we highlight the following themes:

• The future of The Disrupters and what Season 5 holds
• Kaitlyn’s expectations and aspirations for the new season
• Nancy's journey with The Disrupters and reflections on her time as host

About the Host:

Kaitlyn Schiess is a writer, author, and doctoral student enrolled at Duke Divinity School, where she is pursuing studies in political theology, ethics, and biblical interpretation. She attained her ThM in systematic theology from Dallas Theological Seminary in the year 2021. One of her notable works is The Liturgy of Politics: Spiritual Formation for the Sake of Our Neighbor, (InterVarsity Press, September 2020). Her writings on theology, politics, and culture have been featured in various publications, including Christianity Today, The New York Times, Christ and Pop Culture, CT Women, RELEVANT, Sojourners, Fathom, and the Christian Research Journal.

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00:00 - Introduction

00:33 - Nancy's Reflections and Handoff

01:40 - Nancy's podcasting approach & thoughts on Kaitlyn

03:56 - What to expect in season 5

06:07 - Continuity and evolution of The Disrupters podcast

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Content warning: This episode contains sensitive content about sexual assault. Former movie mogul Harvey Weinstein was recently sentenced to an additional 16 years in prison on top of his current sentence of 23 years for sexual assault. In this bonus episode of The Disrupters, Nancy Wang Yuen speaks with Weinstein’s former assistant, advocate, and activist Rowena Chiu. She left the film industry after being victimized by Weinstein in 1998. The 2022 film She Said tells the story of the New York Times investigation that led to Weinstein’s history of abuse and misconduct against women; Chiu is portrayed by actor Angela Yeoh in the film. For Rowena, watching her own story play out in a film evoked complicated feelings: “It is absolutely true that I'm super proud of it, and I think it's a major achievement. It is also an incredibly difficult movie for the individual survivor to watch,” says Chiu. “It's going to be difficult for me not to feel that the story is out of my control.” In this episode, Nancy talks to Rowena about how she copes with that tension, how being a Christian has made it difficult for survivors of sexual misconduct to receive support from the church, and how she has learned to tell a deeply difficult story with courage and clarity. To learn more about how issues of sexual misconduct and abuse affect faith communities, check out The #MeToo Reckoning by pastor and survivor Ruth Everhart. Use the code DISRUPT at ivpress.com for 30% off and free US shipping of The #MeToo Reckoning. *** Resources mentioned in this episode include: Rowena Chiu's op-ed piece in the New York Times Rowena Chiu's Sojourners article Trailer for She Said She Said by Jodi Kantor and Megan Twohey

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In recent years there has been much cynicism regarding Christians’ role in American politics, especially from younger generations. Kaitlyn Schiess, a doctoral theology student at Duke Divinity School and author of Liturgy of Politics: Spiritual Formation for the Sake of our Neighbor (IVP), understands those challenges. “A lot of young people today, who want to stay in the church or really truly believe the gospel and want to to take Scripture as authoritative in their lives don't know how to reconcile the fact that the people that taught them to care about the gospel and taught them to care about what Scripture said, didn't seem to actually want to do those things when it really came down to it politically.” But where Kaitlyn lives, she’s seen young white evangelicals “act like [they’re} the first person to do this” type of justice work when “there is [already] a rich tradition of the Black church being deeply involved in politics here.” She cautions that especially for white evangelicals, “If you want to partner, if you want to learn…that's great. If you want to start a brand new thing, like no one's ever thought of this, you're pretty quickly going to be humbled.” Disruptions discussed in this episode: Liturgy of Politics: Spiritual Formation for the Sake of our Neighbor The Bible and The Ballot: Using Scripture in Political Decisions The Ballot and the Bible: How Scripture Has Been Used and Abused in American Politics and Where We Go from Here Bernie Sanders Liberty University Speech Raphael Warnock 2022 Georgia Senate Race Acceptance Speech Michael Wear

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For those not paying attention, it might seem as though Deb Liu, the CEO of Ancestry.com and the author of Take Back Your Power has been on a straightforward path to success her whole life. Despite Chinese cultural norms that tend to favor boys over girls, Deb’s parents were incredibly supportive, accepting her for who she was: “[My father] took us fishing, he taught me how to shoot. We went crabbing and shrimping. He treated us like he would any other boy or girl. And it was really great. I had such a wonderful childhood with him.” But great parents couldn’t fully protect Deb from what was seen as normal in the American south, “where people just brutally bullied you for being different,” according to Liu. For someone in her position, overcoming these kinds of experiences is often cited as a reason for success and not a barrier. But for Liu, it’s more complicated than that: “That taught me so much resilience, and yet gave me so much resentment at the same. I had to spend a lot of time really breaking through that…I used that resentment. I used it to actually help me accelerate my career, to get to college, to achieve so much. And yet at the same time, it was really hurting me too, because that chip on my shoulder of ‘I'm going to prove to them that I'm better than they think I am, that I'm more than they assume I am,’ really hurt me in the long term.” Disruptions discussed in this episode: MommySchool.net The Purpose Driven Life The Five Love Languages The Righteous Mind Why We’re Polarized Forward

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In this series, Nancy Wang Yuen is joined by co-host New York Times bestselling author and historian Jemar Tisby for a miniseries exploring the Christmas season through the lenses of race, gender, and class. They examine some of the implicit and explicit messages that permeate Christian Christmas culture and that we often enjoy and consume indiscriminately. In part 4, Nancy and Jemar discuss the obsession with white Santa and the ways that cultural representations often distract from the heart of the season, Jesus Christ.

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In this series, Nancy Wang Yuen is joined by co-host New York Times bestselling author and historian Jemar Tisby for a miniseries exploring the Christmas season through the lenses of race, gender, and class. They examine some of the implicit and explicit messages that permeate Christian Christmas culture and that we often enjoy and consume indiscriminately. In part 3, Nancy and Jemar discuss what it actually looks like to have people of color fully represented in Christmas movies.

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In this series, Nancy Wang Yuen is joined by co-host New York Times bestselling author and historian Jemar Tisby for a miniseries exploring the Christmas season through the lenses of race, gender, and class. They examine some of the implicit and explicit messages that permeate Christian Christmas culture and that we often enjoy and consume indiscriminately. In part 2, Nancy and Jemar discuss the proliferation of the Christmas Rom-Com, and the cultural tropes that often come alongside them.

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For the next four episodes, Nancy Wang Yuen is joined by co-host, New York Times bestselling author and historian Jemar Tisby for a miniseries exploring the Christmas season through the lenses of race, gender, and class. They examine some of the implicit and explicit messages that permeate Christian Christmas culture and that we often enjoy and consume indiscriminately. In part 1 of this series, our hosts discuss the reasons for doing a series like this at all and also share about their own personal experiences with Christmas through their unique perspectives as Christians of color for whom the phrase “white Christmas” has a completely different connotation. You will learn, you will laugh, and you will never see the Christmas season in the same way again. Join us in dreaming of a not-white Christmas this year!

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Michael Chang is a legendary tennis player, primarily known for his improbable 1989 victory as a teenager at the French Open, among his many successes. But for Chang, that is not his primary legacy. “I've never thought of tennis as just being tennis,” says Chang. “I've always positioned it as a way to touch lives, to share my faith, to inspire young people…young Asian athletes in particular.” It’s a perspective that has helped Chang see his sports career, however successful it has been, in the proper light: “Whether I was winning, whether I was losing, whether it was a very, very close match, the perspective of knowing that this doesn't change who I am or how I'm loved was a great comfort for me.” As the only Asian American male player to hoist a major tennis championship trophy, Chang provided a joyous moment for people of color and especially Asian American fans during a time of tennis’s heyday in the era of white American tennis stars such as Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi. As a Christian on tour, Chang never shied away from naming his faith as a core piece of his identity. Decades later, his fans still remember how much of a disruption he was to the sport, long before the Williams sisters and Naomi Osaka became household names. Enjoy this conversation with Michael Chang, who still holds the record as the youngest man to ever win a major tennis championship. Disruptions discussed in this episode: 30 for 30 Documentary “American Son” Announcement Michael Chang vs Ivan Lendl - 1989 French Open Beyond Colorblind: Redeeming Our Ethnic Journey “Let's come together to end the hate,” essay by Michael Chang =

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