In this episode, we discuss the tragic story of Alexandria "Ally" Kostial, a promising young student at the University of Mississippi.

Ally's life was cut short when she was shot dead by a fellow student at a remote fishing camp near the campus. We explore Ally's dreams and aspirations, her love for fitness and flowers, and her complicated relationship with Brandon Theesfeld.

The investigation unfolds as surveillance footage, text messages, and evidence lead to Brandon's arrest.

Ultimately, Brandon Theesfeld is found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. We remember Ally and the impact she had on her loved ones.

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In this episode, we delve into the perplexing case of George Allen Smith IV, who vanished under suspicious circumstances from the MS Brilliance of the Seas cruise ship in July 2005.

As we uncover the details, we find ourselves questioning whether foul play was involved. Blood stains in Smith's cabin and on the ship's side hint at a possible tragic fate, leading authorities to suspect homicide.

The investigation takes unexpected turns, involving individuals last seen with Smith and raising theories of robbery gone wrong.

We also explore the impact of Smith's disappearance on cruise ship passenger rights, prompting reforms for greater transparency and protection. Join us as we unravel the mystery and discuss the aftermath of this haunting incident.

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In this episode, we delve into the suspicious circumstances surrounding the murder of Alan Helmick.

From a car fire incident to a supposed robbery, there were many potential leads for the police to follow. But as the investigation unfolded, it became clear that someone close to Helmick was responsible for his death. We explore the possible motives for the crime, including Helmick's wealth and his wife's alleged forgery.

Join us as we uncover the twists and turns of this intriguing murder case.

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Athalia Ponsell Lindsley was a well-known American model, Broadway dancer, and political activist who also appeared on the television show Winner Take All. She was born in Toledo, Ohio, to a wealthy family and spent a significant portion of her life in New York City.

Lindsley made an unsuccessful bid for state senator and planned to run for a seat on the St. Johns County, Florida Commission. During a county meeting in October 1973, she mentioned that her life had been threatened.

On January 23, 1974, Lindsley was attacked on the front steps of her home by a white middle-aged male wearing a white dress shirt and dark dress pants. She was struck nine times with a machete and nearly decapitated. The perpetrator was never identified, and Stanford, who was indicted, was acquitted after a two-hour jury deliberation. Critics have accused the police of botching the investigation and tainting evidence. Her murder occurred four months after she married James "Jinx" Lindsley, a former mayor of St. Augustine and successful real estate agent.

The murder remains unsolved to this day. Lindsley had an ongoing feud with her neighbor Alan Griffin Stanford Jr. regarding the six stray dogs she took in that barked incessantly.

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Lynlee Renick, a mother-of-two from Missouri, was convicted in December 2021 of the murder of her husband, renowned ball python breeder Ben Renick. She was found guilty of second-degree murder and armed criminal action by a jury after prosecutors presented evidence of an intricate murder plot she had orchestrated with the assistance of two accomplices.

The episode will provide further insight into the investigation and trial of the case.

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In this episode, the case takes place in Silver Lakes, Hesperia, California, where Sabrina and Rob Limon lived. 

The couple lived in a comfortable house with their two kids and were part of a close-knit community, the "Wolf Pack," who enjoyed boating, barbecuing, and swinging. 

Sabrina and her friend sometimes hooked up with each other while their husbands watched, and then they would all have sex with their own spouses in the same room. However, while Rob enjoyed this, Sabrina began to feel guilty about it, as it conflicted with her Christian beliefs. Eventually, Sabrina's feelings towards the swinging lifestyle became a source of tension between her and Rob.

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Michael Peterson is a novelist and former mayoral candidate who was charged with the murder of his wife Kathleen. Kathleen was found dead at the bottom of the staircase in their home.

The police suspected Michael of the murder and found blood splatters throughout the house and on his clothing. During the trial, the prosecution presented evidence that Michael had a financial motive for killing Kathleen, as well as evidence that he had been having affairs with men for years.

Michael was found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The case remains controversial, with some people believing Michael was wrongly convicted and others convinced of his guilt.

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Michael Peterson is a novelist and former mayoral candidate who was charged with the murder of his wife Kathleen. Kathleen was found dead at the bottom of the staircase in their home.

The police suspected Michael of the murder and found blood splatters throughout the house and on his clothing. During the trial, the prosecution presented evidence that Michael had a financial motive for killing Kathleen, as well as evidence that he had been having affairs with men for years.

Michael was found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The case remains controversial, with some people believing Michael was wrongly convicted and others convinced of his guilt.

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Jarmecca Yvonne "Nikki" Whitehead was found dead in the bathroom of her Conyers, Georgia, home in 2010. 

She had been beaten with a vase and stabbed repeatedly. Her 16-year-old identical twin daughters, Jasmiyah and Tasmiyah, were arrested four months later and charged with murder. In 2014, both pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter and were sentenced to 30 years in prison. 

The twins were initially raised by their great-grandmother and were honor roll students and Girl Scouts. In 2007, their mother requested custody of them but they clashed, resulting in counseling and juvenile court appearances. Whitehead regained custody on January 5, 2010, and was killed eight days later. 

Evidence implicated the twins, including bite marks attributed to wounds inflicted by their mother during the fight. The medical examiner called the killing a crime of passion and not likely to have been performed by a stranger. The twins are currently serving their sentences in separate prisons within the Georgia Department of Corrections.

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In this episode of Housewives of True Crime, hosts Gretchen and Tab discuss a graphic murder case that took place in Bethesda, Maryland. The victim, Jayna Murray, was a sales lead at a Lululemon store in an outdoor shopping center. On March 11th, 2011, Jayna and her coworker, Brittany Norwood, were closing up the store when Brittany attacked Jayna and brutally murdered her. The hosts discuss the details of the case and the aftermath of the trial. They also share their thoughts on the Lululemon brand and their personal experiences with buying knockoff leggings.

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In this week’s bonus episode of Housewives of True Crime, Gretchen and Tabitha talk about a case recommended by Angie, one of the fans of the show. This case is shocking, sickening, saddening, and much more. At a glance Jade Janks looks like a very successful interior designer who came from a broken family and living with her stepfather Tom, a butterfly farm owner. However, their relationship had always been toxic, and things take a sudden turn for the worse when Jade discovered something deeply personal that prompts her to hire a fixer to “take care” of her stepfather.

The fixer never shows up, prompting Jade takes matters into her own hands. She is eventually arrested for murdering Tom by heavily intoxicating him and her case goes to trail garnering immense media attention at the time.

Listen in as Tabitha and Gretchen talk about Jade and her complex relationship with Tom and what she discovers on his computer that prompt her to take matters into her own hands. This crime episode is as shock as it is sad and will leave you wondering whether justice was served and whether everyone got what they deserved.

“I never got confident enough to take the naked pictures. No effing way.” (Gretchen 23:00)

 

“I think that him being a butterfly farmer is probably your first red flag..” (Tabitha 44:13)

 

In This Episode

●       (00:53) Tab and Gretchen catch up on the gossip.

●       (01:05) Talking about Irish car bombs and Gretchen’s top party.

●       (03:40) New development about Stephen Smith and the Murdaugh connection.

●       (07:55) Talking about Gretchen’s feet, barefoot shoes and flipflops.

●       (09:30) Tab and Gretchen discuss this week’s case suggested by Angie Pankhurst.

●       (10:28) The case of Steve Jenks and Jeanette Smith and their daughter Jade.

●       (11:00) Jeanette’s menta illness, the marriage falling apart and Steve taking care of Jade.

●       (11:52) Jade reconnects with Jeanette, her stepfather and brother and moves in.

●       (13:40) Jeanette’s arrest, Jade started her own interior design company.

●       (16:20) Tom starts a butterfly farm and gives Jade the power of attorney.

●       (17:37) Discussing the toxic relationship between Tom and Jade and their criminal records.

●       (21:12) Jade discovering naked pictures of her on Tom’s computer.

●       (25:57) On Jade finding a fixer on Facebook named Alan and their plan about Tom.

●       (27:47) Jade heavily dozes Tom as she awaits the fixer who is a no show.

●       (31:10) On Alan sending Brian to assist in his place, who also bails after meeting Jade.

●       (36:19) Jade gets pulled over, and eventually is arrested.

●       (40:40) Discussing the statement Jade gives to Tom’s family.

●       (43:01) Tab and Gretchen give their thoughts on Jade’s behavior, feelings, and actions.

●       (45:30) Tab and Gretchen talk about Tom and whether he deserved to die.

 

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In this week’s episode of Housewives of True Crime, Gretchen and Tabitha talk about a celebrity crime case involving the Robert Blake who just passed away recently. Today’s episode focuses on Bonny Lee Bakely who was shot and killed under suspicious circumstances in a car, as her husband, the famous actor Robert Blake was in the restaurant where they had just concluded dinner.

Listen in as Tabitha and Gretchen talk about Bonny’s life of hustle from an early age, her 9 marriages, her relationship with Robert Blake and side hustles that made her many enemies.

“It's fun because the lifeguards are still here. It's open rain or shine. And yeah, the lifeguards are doing it because, you know, that's all they do on these days that nothing's happening. So, they're all out there and they're like shredding. It's really fun to watch.” Tabitha (05:12)

“I also found it ironic that Alec Baldwin posted a tribute to Robert Blake upon his passing. This is what it said. I know some people will have some harsh feelings about him. He had some dramatic entanglements. But I want to remember the talented actor he was okay. To which I say. Sit the fuck down, Alec. Okay. Are you ever going to learn when to shut up?” Gretchen (58:00)

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In this week’s episode, Gretchen and Tabitha talk about a crime that is as unconscionable as it is frightening. This crime is the epitome of invasion of privacy and destruction of lives. Rarely, you come across a crime where the victim or victims that have led care-free lives until suddenly, a new discovery changes everything for them. And the worst part is, even though they haven’t been physically harmed, the emotional scars that develop as a result of this discovery, causes them to live in pain for the rest of their lives.

Gretchen and Tabitha talk about Dr. Donald Cline, a fertility doctor from Indiana, who conceived numerous children without disclosing himself as the sperm donor to his patients. As of today, that number is 94 offspring. They talk about how a 35-year-old Jacoba, who was told that she was adopted, uncovered this disturbing truth using sites like ancestory.com and 23 and Me.

“Oh, got through medical school so it’s got the brains, the brain gene.” - Tabitha (11:26)

Listen as both talk about the case in detail and go over tough moments that include Jacoba and her siblings meeting Dr. Client in person for the first time, who came to the meeting armed with a gun. You will learn about Angela Genote, the reporter who air the story and also met the disgraced doctor who pleaded him to drop the story altogether. Finally you will also hear about the obstacles the criminal justice system faced in prosecuting Dr. Cliene based on vague or unclear laws, lack of surety of how to pursue despite having DNA evidence and how Dr. Client got off with a $500 fine and suspended sentence. Its’ all happening here today on Housewives of True Crime.

“That just begs the question, what did Dr. Cline do with all that jizz.” Gretchen (31:25)

In This Episode

 

●       (0:50) Tabitha and Gretchen talk about spring break, vacationing locations and Gretchen’s new guest.

●       (06:12) Tab and Gretchen talk about this week’s case.

●       (08:30) Jacoba calling Dr. Donald Cline for the first time.

●       (10:05) 23 and Me, Ancestory.com, and discovering 7 half siblings.

●       (11:26) Discovering who is her father is.

●       (14:50) Angela Genote reporting the story.

●       (15:45) Cline’s children meet Jacoba to confirm her suspicions.

●       (19:15) Jacoba and the siblings meet an armed Dr. Cliene.

●       (20:07) On Jacoba receiving scripture from Dr. Cline and responding in kind.

●       (21:05) Dr. Cline meets the reporter at a Panera and begs her to stop reporting the story.

●       (23:16) Dr. Cline’s dark past and accidental fatality and newfound faith.

●       (30:22) Talking about Dr. Cline shady solo practice and his colleague’s perception of him.

●       (36:00) Discussing the difficulties in prosecuting the doctor legally based on current laws.

●       (39:05) On Dr. Cline getting subpoenaed, DNA tested and the truth coming out at last.

●       (41:30) Tab’s outrage at Dr. Cline getting a suspended sentence and $500 fine.

●       (42:20) The siblings and Jacoba go on Dr. Phill show.

●       (45:57) Where is Dr. Client now.

 

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The saga began in 2021 with the brutal murder of Murdaugh's wife and son, which was quickly followed by Murdaugh's own shooting in what was later revealed to be a staged crime. As the investigation unfolded, it exposed deep-seated corruption and unethical practices within the legal system in South Carolina.

After months of investigations, Murdaugh was finally indicted on charges related to the murder-for-hire plot against him. In September 2021, he pleaded guilty to charges of conspiracy to commit insurance fraud and wire fraud, among others. He was sentenced to life in prison for his role in the crimes.

The case also involved Paul Murdaugh, Alex's son, who was awaiting trial for his alleged involvement in a fatal boating accident in 2019. The accident resulted in the death of a 19-year-old woman. Paul was also found dead at the family's hunting lodge in June 2021, just days before the murders of Alex's wife and son. The case against Paul was dropped following his death, but questions still remain about his involvement in the accident and his connection to the later crimes.

The resolution of the case brings a sense of closure for the families of the victims and the local community, which has been rocked by the revelations of corruption and unethical behavior among attorneys in the area. However, the case also serves as a cautionary tale of the consequences of unchecked power and corruption. Alex Murdaugh's guilty plea and life sentence are a reminder that justice will eventually be served, even in the most complex and high-profile cases.

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The saga began in 2021 with the brutal murder of Murdaugh's wife and son, which was quickly followed by Murdaugh's own shooting in what was later revealed to be a staged crime. As the investigation unfolded, it exposed deep-seated corruption and unethical practices within the legal system in South Carolina.

After months of investigations, Murdaugh was finally indicted on charges related to the murder-for-hire plot against him. In September 2021, he pleaded guilty to charges of conspiracy to commit insurance fraud and wire fraud, among others. He was sentenced to life in prison for his role in the crimes.

The case also involved Paul Murdaugh, Alex's son, who was awaiting trial for his alleged involvement in a fatal boating accident in 2019. The accident resulted in the death of a 19-year-old woman. Paul was also found dead at the family's hunting lodge in June 2021, just days before the murders of Alex's wife and son. The case against Paul was dropped following his death, but questions still remain about his involvement in the accident and his connection to the later crimes.

The resolution of the case brings a sense of closure for the families of the victims and the local community, which has been rocked by the revelations of corruption and unethical behavior among attorneys in the area. However, the case also serves as a cautionary tale of the consequences of unchecked power and corruption. Alex Murdaugh's guilty plea and life sentence are a reminder that justice will eventually be served, even in the most complex and high-profile cases.

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In this week’s episode of Housewives of True Crime, Tabitha and Gretchen discuss the case of Laura Heist of Lititz, Pennsylvania. This case is truly unique. There is no murder. No foul play. Yet it garnered so much attention that Dr. Phil got involved. 

“I know that it’s called Letitz, but I like to say little tits. Lil Tits, sounds like a rapper.” Gretchen – (07:41)

On February 8, 2002, Brenda simply disappeared after dropping her kids off to school. Within days, Brenda’s friends and family were contacted and the police issued a ‘be on the lookout’ for her. Lee was even regarded as a suspect in the sudden disappearance and had to take a polygraph to clear himself. A $5000 reward was announced for any news that would lead up to her. Despite all that, no solid leads turned up.

“Brenda might be a bad Brenda. Brenda might be a Karen.” Tabitha (12:20)

Finally, 7 years after Brenda was declared legally dead and 11 years after the disappearance, a breakthrough occurs – Brenda is found alive, living as a vagrant in Florida. This discovery occurred when she was arrested for narcotics and false ID. She had met another man and had even vacationed with him to the Caribbean. However, after that relationship ended, she went into a life of cleaning houses, stealing IDs and smoking marijuana, never once thinking about her 2 kids. 

Eventually she realized she had had enough and went into a police station to confess her true identity. When news of this came out, it garnered so much media attention that even Dr. Phil went to see her in prison. She is currently living under care at a facility in Texas.

This case is a difficult one for Gretchen and Tabitha. Join them in today’s podcast as they debate what mother would just abandon her children and vanish for 11 years. They also talk about the possibility of Brenda and her children, now adults, reuniting, and what happened to the $100,000 life insurance policy that was paid out to her husband Lee after Brenda was declared legally dead. This is one episode you don’t want to miss. Watch it now on Housewives of True Crime.

In This Episode:

• (05:53) – Gretchen and Tabitha talk about the case of the day, Brenda Heist.
• (06:30) – Discussing the name ‘Lee’ and how uncommon it is today.
• (07:30) – Making fun of the city name Lititz, Pennsylvania.
• (08:45) – Brenda and husband Lee separate after 20 years of marriage.
• (11:45) – Talking about porkchops and segway to the 3-part Elvis episode.
• (14:21) – Children coming home from school to find Brenda missing.
• (15:40) – Lee takes a polygraph, loses his job, and sells his home.
• (20:00) – On Brenda being declared legally dead after 7 years.  
• (22:20) – Breakthrough! Brenda found alive from Key Largo, Florida after 11 years.
• (25:30) – How Brenda ended up in Florida as a vagrant, and eventually turned herself in.
• (28:30) – Lee and Brenda’s daughter learn Brenda is alive.
• (30:23) – Discussing new twists in the case and Brenda’s activities.
• (31:03) – On Brenda meeting Jim Steward at Outback Steakhouse.
• (33:15) – On Brenda vacationing in the Caribbean and touring the countryside.
• (34:53) – How the relationship with Jim ended.
• (37:29) – Brenda becomes a nanny and house cleaner.
• (39:00) – Talking about Brenda’s social interactions, stealing IDs, and numerous arrests.
• (47:37) – Getting arrested for false identification and carrying marijuana. 
• (48:50) – On Brenda’s turning herself in and giving them her true identify.
• (51:06) – Dr. Phil goes to prison to meet Brenda.
• (52:19) – Discussing Brenda pleading for forgiveness with her kids.
• (54:30) – How her kids feel and whether they will reunite at some point.
• (55:15) – Brenda reunites with her mother.
• (55:20) – What is Brenda doing now.
• (56:45) – What happened with the insurance money Lee collected.

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In this week’s episode of Housewives of True Crime, Tabitha and Gretchen discuss a case from Cameron Park, California.

The conversation focuses on Todd Winkler and the suspicious circumstances surrounding the murder of his wife Rachel. Tabitha and Gretchen start things off nicely by exchanging Presidents Day wishes but then things take a sudden turn as dirty secrets and grim details emerge about the day of the crime. Nothing is off the table in this episode as Gretchen and Tabitha talk about affairs, being cheated on, and whether women should keep the ring if it doesn’t work out.

“I don’t want to brag but I’ve been cheated on multiple times, believe it or not people.” – Gretchen (19:58)

From the outside, Rachel and Todd Winkler looked like a normal couple living together with their three children. Todd was an ex-F16 fighter pilot and Rachel was General Manager working near the airport. But nothing about their marriage was normal. Both had their fair share of dirty secrets including Todd faking a car crash to collect insurance money and Rachel having an affair with the maintenance man.

“By the way she did not hide her love affair with her neighbors. They saw James all the time. So maybe she just didn’t give a shit. Oh right, he is fixing my pipes at home. He is cleaning everything!” – Tabitha (18:18)

When word of the affair reached Todd, he confronted James about it to no avail. Things come to a head when Rachel decides to divorce Todd and confront him about the custody of the children. A scuffle ensues and Todd stabs Rachel citing self-defense. However, crime scene investigators find contradictory evidence and combined with the mysterious death of Todd’s wife from a previous marriage under similar circumstances, they arrest him and Todd is subsequently sentences to 26 years to life in prison. The children are sent to live with their grandparents. Heartbreak, humor, deception, and twists; it’s all happening on today’s episode of Housewives of True Crime.

In This Episode:

• (00:49) – Gretchen and Tabitha talk about President’s Day. 
• (02:32) – Tabitha talks about her husband getting kidney stone surgery on Valentine’s Day
• (05:49) – Getting ready to talk about today’s case.
• (06:00) – Tabitha and Gretchen talk about Cameron Park, California
• (08:08) – Talking about Todd Winkler, his wife Rachel and his 3 children.
• (09:25) – Tabitha goes over Rachel’s early life and upbringing.
• (10:50) – On Rachel meeting Todd and getting married 3 weeks later.
• (11:56) – Rachel getting a job near the airport.
• (13:00) – The dirty little secrets of Todd and Rachel.
• (14:18) – Talking about Todd getting caught shoplifted.
• (14:32) – Todd’s problem with lying about cancer and faking a car crash for insurance money.
• (15:02) – Tabitha talks about her pet peeve. 
• (16:06) – Comparing relationships, celebrities, and Instagram.
• (16:40) – Gretchen talks about the Brad and Jennifer breakup.
• (17:10) – On Rachel having an affair with James.
• (19:30) – On Todd confronting James.
• (20:00) – Gretchen on being cheated on multiple times.
• (20:30) – Tabitha on what she did when she found her boyfriend was cheating on her.
• (22:30) – Rachel deciding to divorce Todd and confronting him with the news.
• (22:50) – Todd version of events after the confrontation.
• (24:24) – Todd stabbing Rachel in self-defense.
• (26:15) – Talking about the crime scene, scissors marks, and neighbor’s account.
• (29:09) – Rachel’s last works before she died.
• (30:10) – Talking about the death of Todd’s second wife, Cathy.
• (35:30) – Todd collecting Cathy’s life insurance after her death.
• (36:49) – Todd is taken into custody and charged with Rachel’s murder.
• (37:30) – Tabitha plays Todd’s crazy court room outburst.
• (38:25) – Todd is found guilty and gets 25 years to life.
• (39:13) – On Rachel’s dad taking custody of the children.
• (40:00) – What happened to James, his wife and daughter afterwards.
• (41:01) – On Rachel keeping the ring James gave her.
• (41:25) – Tabitha and Gretchen discuss whether women should keep the ring or give it back.

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In this week’s episode of Housewives of True Crime, Tabitha and Gretchen talk about a case that is as unbelievable as it is insane. You have got to listen to this one because you simply cannot make this stuff up. Today, the focus is on Joyce McKinney, a former Miss World USA participant and her life of obsession, seduction, and manipulation.

Born in 1949 in North Carolina, Joyce was a pageant girl growing up and went on to be a contestant at Miss World 1973. She was very attractive and was said to be the complete package with the full blond beauty queen bombshell look, a great smile and bubbly personality, and an IQ of 168 to go with it (so she claims).

At 26, Joyce moved to Salt Lake City where she met Kirk, a Morman, who she fell in love with instantly. However, Kirk’s mother doesn’t approve of her not being Mormon. Joyce too is not impressed with Kirk’s mother and fat shames her. 

“So basically, why I am explaining all of this is so you get a feel for this beautiful, eccentric, self-centered, total bitch that is Joyce McKinney.” – Gretchen (16:52)

When Kirk goes away for missionary work, she doesn’t reveal his whereabouts to Joyce. That’s when Joyce’s obsession goes into overdrive. She hires a private investigator who successfully locates Kirk in England. She also meets Keith who advises her to hire a pilot and a bodyguard to fly to the UK, rescue Kirk and bring him back. 

She does exactly that and flies to England where finds Kirk and sends Keith to the Church to bring him out to meet with her. She then takes Kirk to a cottage and seduces him for 3 days. Meanwhile, the church, worried that Kirk has suddenly gone missing, contacts local authorities and news outlets. When Kirk returns to the church, he changes his story, and says that he was tied up, seduced and raped for 3 days by Joyce. Both Joyce and Keith are arrested soon after and the media crowns Kirk, the Manacled Mormon.

“Oh, he popped it up huh, after you tie him up” – Tabitha (26:26) 

“Joyce also doesn’t believe raping a man is possible. She says you can’t put a marshmallow in a parking meter.” – Gretchen (26:38)

This became mainstream news and lots of reporters and people turned up at Joyce’s bail hearing making her a celebrity in an instant. Joyce, being extremely resourceful, manages to get fake travel documents for both her and Keith and get stateside. This outrages the British media who in turn dig into her past and track down a man called Steve who eagerly spills the beans of Joyce’s other embarrassing secrets.

Joyce’s obsession with Kirk doesn’t end as she is arrested again in 1984 at Salt Lake City airport where Kirk works. After that incident, she lives quietly but becomes very paranoid of reporters trespassing on her property. She gets mauled by her guard dog and after that takes a liking to another dog, Booger who stays loyal to her until his death. Joyce takes that loss to heart and instead of losing Booger, flies to South Korea to get him cloned and comes back with 5 clones and moves to California.

Joyce is arrested again in 2019 for a fatal hit and run of a 91-year-old Holocaust survivor. She is deemed unfit to stand trial and is sent to a mental hospital where she is today.

In This Episode:

• (01:04) – Gretchen and Tab start off by talking about cocktails and crystal lights.
• (03:28) – Tabitha on taking notes unknowingly on the shared notepad.
• (04:38) – Tabitha talks about her experience at a fancy spa. 
• (05:56) – Gretchen on back to driving her car and met Greg from the car dealership. 
• (08:21) – Introducing this week’s case from Alison Russel.
• (08:50) – Joyce McKenny – A quick introduction 
• (10:02) – Gretchen outlines Joyce’s upbringing and early life 
• (10:35) – Tabitha and Gretchen talk about IQs 
• (11:19) – On Joyce moving to Salt Lake City in 1975 at age 26. 
• (13:05) – Joyce’s dream comes true as she meets Kurk who drove a corvette.
• (14:10) – Joyce meets Kirk’s mother, first impressions and fat shaming.
• (16:02) – Tabitha and Gretchen talk about Donne and Marie Osmond’s appearance on the Joy Behar show. 
• (17:10) – Kirk going on missionary work.
• (17:40) – Joyce hires a private investigator in California.
• (18:03) – Joyce meeting Keith, an architect who had it bad for Joyce.
• (18:25) – Discovering Kirk’s whereabouts and deciding to fly to England with a pilot and bodyguard.
• (19:20) – How Joyce recruited the pilot and why he got onboard.
• (22:42) – Finding Kirk and the pilot’s apprehensions.
• (23:55) – Keith meets Kirk, and he reunites with Joyce.
• (24:43) – Joyce takes Kirk to a cottage to seduce him.
• (25:51) – Tying up Kirk with handcuffs and ropes and making sweet love.
• (26:49) – Dancing at Hard Rock Café and Kirk discovering news about his kidnapping.
• (28:12) – Kirk goes back to Mormon church and changes his story, says he was kidnapped, strapped to bed, and raped for 3 days.
• (28:32) – Kirk makes news and becomes the Manacled Moron.
• (29:44) – Joyces reaction to the news.
• (30:04) – Joyce and Keith getting arrested after a setup.
• (30:45) – Joyce holding up a sign that catches media attention.
• (31:10) – On Joyce writing two letters and hiding within her.
• (33:00) – Joyce facing the media at her bail hearing and becoming a celebrity.
• (34:35) – On Joyce walking the red carpet and being photographed with John Travolta and Joan Collins.
• (35:41) – Joyce getting travel visas for herself and Kirk using fake birth certificates to fly back to the US.
• (37:18) – Media looking into Joyce’s past and finding Steve.
• (38:18) – Steve spilling the tea on Joyce; free magazines.
• (40:51) – Putting a listening device in Joyce’s dog’s collar.
• (42:25) – Joyce learning of the Real McKinney story and almost committing suicide.
• (43:25) – Joyce fleeing the hotel after meeting her parents and biting her father.
• (44:00) – Joyce gets arrested in Salt Lake City in 1984 where Kirk worked.
• (45:25) – Tabitha and Gretchen on Joyce fat shaming Kirk’s wife and making fun of Kirk’s job.
• (47:00) – Joyce being paranoid afterwards and getting mauled by her dog.
• (48:00) – Joyce loses her dog Booger and flies to South Korea to get him cloned.
• (49:43) – A documentary on Joyce’s life came out in 2010.
• (51:09) – Discussing Keith, Steve, and Kirk and their whereabouts. 
• (52:34) – Joyce suing the makers of the documentary and being delusional.
• (54:20) – Gretchen views on how Joyce is portrayed in the documentary.
• (54:50) – Burglarizing charges against Joyce in November 2004.
• (55:39) – Joyce moves to California with her 5 cloned dogs.
• (56:11) – Tabitha and Gretchen talk about the condition of the cloned dogs.
• (57:02) – Joyces arrested again in 2019 in the fatal hit and run of a 91-year-old Holocaust survivor.
• (58:20) – Current location of Joyce at the mental hospital.
• (59:10) – Tabitha and Gretchen talk about a new movie being made on Joyce’s life.

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For this week's case, Tabitha takes us back to the Lonestar state and focuses on the tragic murder of Belinda Temple and the jarring investigation to capture the culprit.

Belinda Temple was a special education teacher, and her husband David Temple was a former football star turned football coach in Katy, TX. They met in college, fell in love, got married, and Belinda gave birth to their son, Evan. They were living the perfect family life, with an unborn daughter on the way as well.

“David was instantly attracted to Belinda and friends said that they were just one of those perfect couples.” - Tabitha (13:17)

On January 19th, 1999, everything changed. Belinda got a call that Evan was sick and needed to be picked up from daycare early. Because of a work meeting, David was asked to pick Evan up. After the meeting, Belinda went to her in-laws to pick up some soup for Evan and headed home. David told Belinda he was taking Evan to the park, but instead made a series of detours and went back home after awhile. 

David got home and found Belinda in their closet with a shotgun wound to her head. Police were called and an autopsy determined Belinda Temple was murdered execution style. As the husband and the person who found Belinda, David is the primary suspect for investigators. David does not convince investigators of his innocence, but there is no concrete evidence pointing at him as the murderer.

As police continue their investigations, other potential suspects begin to surface. As these other suspects and people close to the Temple family start to talk, the shiny cover of the perfect family gets shattered as a completely darker side of the picture perfect relationship between David and Belinda is revealed…

“Yeah, it's like there's being a dick and then there is extra.” - Gretchen (39:38)

The twists and turns on this murder case cannot be missed! Gretchen and Tab have plenty to say about the David and belinda Temple case and both gals do not hold back on their opinion’s of David in this instant classic episode of Housewives of True Crime. 

In This Episode

• (0:20) Gretchen and Tab gab about the cold weather and crazy field trips that kids go on
• (6:16) We are back in Texas for this week’s case
• (9:19) Katy, TX is a football town and David Temple was the hometown football star
• (12:45) David met his future wife, Belinda Lucas, in college
• (17:56) The day Belinda Temple and her unborn daughter are tragically executed
• (27:20) Police begin their investigation, and David their primary suspect
• (32:40) Police also investigate student Riley Joe Sanders as a suspect
• (35:38) Police receive a tip to question teacher Heather Scott who was having an affair with David
• (38:01) Throughout the investigation, we learn David did not treat Belinda well
• (45:40) Prosecutors brought the case to the grand jury in 1999, but there was no trial due to lack of evidence
• (46:17) In 2004, new evidence emerges typing David to the murder of Belinda
• (47:10) Famed prosecutor Kelly Seagler managed get David charged guilty for Belinda’s murder
• (48:59) An evidence mishap and a law change overturned David’s case in 2016
• (50:12) David was tried and found guilty again in 2019
• (51:44) David’s trial for sentencing is set to begin in March 2023
• (52:16) Tab and Gretchen share their thoughts on David’s case

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For this week's case, Gretchen takes us to the Lonestar state and focuses on the small town of Bryan, TX. Our story centers on elderly neighbors Geraldine Lloyd and Etta Jean Westbrook. These ladies were widows and friends who lived on the same street together in 2007. 

Etta Jean was a loving woman who spent her time making pottery and being active in her church. Geraldine was focused on looking after her daughter, Kelly Sifuentez, and her grandchildren after Kelly’s marriage fell apart. Kelly spiraled and engaged in many reckless behaviors, including drug and alcohol issues. Worst of all, she engaged in a romantic relationship with 14-year-old Christian Olsen. Kelly and Christian dated for years until Christian was finally 18. It was at this point that tragedy would come to the town of Bryan, TX.

“So obviously, Kelly, with the drugs and the statutory raping, is not a good choice maker.” - Gretchen (20:35)

After a windstorm, police went through the neighborhood, checking on everyone. This is when Etta Jean was discovered dead. After an autopsy, it is discovered she was murdered, so police begin a homicide investigation. Etta Jean’s credit cards were stolen, and the now 18-year old Christian Olsen has them. After interrogating Christian, police search Geraldine’s home where Kelly and Christian are living. Tragedy strikes again as Geraldine’s body is discovered in the backyard, and she has been dead for months. Now, police have a double homicide on their hands, and all fingers point to Christian and Kelly. 

“They went back to Kelly, and basically, she just pinned it all on Christian.

She said she was asleep when it happened, and she didn't turn him in because she was afraid she would go to prison as well.” - Gretchen (34:44) 

In This Episode

• (0:59) Gretchen and Tab gab about why January sucks, alcohol, and catch up on their week
• (8:09) Geraldine and Etta Jean - widows and BFFs 
• (11:15) Gretchen discusses Geraldine’s turbulent relationship with her daughter Kelly
• (17:14) Gretchen discusses Kelly’s marital problems, reckless behavior, and inappropriate relationship with 14-year-old Christian
• (22:21) After a windstorm, police found Etta Jean dead from head trauma 
• (23:26) After an autopsy reveals homicide, police start investigating Etta Jean’s death
• (24:50) Etta Jean’s children discover someone is using their deceased mom’s credit cards
• (25:44) Kelly’s boyfriend, Christian, is now a suspect
• (26:35) Christian and Kelly are interrogated separately by investigators
• (27:41) Christian admits to killing Etta Jean
• (30:10) Even with Christian’s confession, police believe Kelly was involved
• (30:46) Police get a warrant to search Kelly’s house and discover Geraldine is missing
• (31:21) Kelly’s ex-husband tips off police to Geraldine’s death and find her body in the backyard - she had been dead for six months
• (31:28) Kelly said Chrisitan killed Geraldine, and she kept the secret out of fear of being blamed as an accomplice
• (34:13) Police talked to Christian, but he didn’t talk
• (36:03) Police eventually charged Christian with the murders of Etta Jean and Geraldine, and Kelly was charged with conspiracy to commit murder
• (37:00) After the trial, Christian was found guilty and sentenced to death
• (37:24) Christian’s parents begged for their son to be spared
• (38:50) Kelly took a plea for 30 years but hung herself in prison
• (39:27) Christian was spared the death penalty in 2016 and is serving life in prison
• (41:18) Takeaway from the case and a bizarre hiking story from Tab
• (43:27) Smells and Grethen’s life hack
• (46:24) Tab discovers the perfect way to murder your family

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