This week we saw Michael A's exit from the show. After struggling with the thought of not being with his son for so long, much to Katie's disappointment. We wonder about the likelihood of Michael becoming the Bachelor and what the consequences might be moving forward, as we're suddenly left with just 3 men before Hometowns even begin. We then take a brief detour to discuss the pointless mess that was the Men Tell All, while also somehow entering a Pro Choice v Pro Life discussion, in light of a contestant for Michelle's season seemingly voting for a Pro Life bill. The episode wasn't much, but we did find much to unpack in the pockets of it.

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And we're back! And with good reason, as this week 7 was probably the best episode of the Season so far, with great storylines quickly developing as we head into Hometowns week. But for this one, we'd like to hone in on Michael's situation and how it might go down, and some thoughts on how this season even ends. There's a lot of drama being previewed and we can only let our imaginations run wild as we don our producing caps and predict the end of Katie's season of The Bachelorette.

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Another week, another unnecessarily risky group date as we saw Michael A. suffer a disturbing injury on another ridiculous group date. Something needs to be done about these date ideas already. Also, turns out Hunter's Villain Preview was much ado about nothing. Shocker. We talk about this and more in Week 5 of The Bachelorette Season 17 with Katie.

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Thomas is gone, but was it worth it for the guys to dedicate so much energy to getting him out of the house? Meanwhile, Owl decides to rant way too much about his gripes with the editing of the show. We talk about this and more in Week 4 of The Bachelorette Season 17 with Katie.

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Obviously, Michael A. is an incredible human being. But he never ceases to charm as we learn more about his story. On the complete opposite end, however, Thomas is pretty problematic-- just not for the reasons the show would have you believe. We talk about this and more in Week 3 of The Bachelorette Season 17 with Katie.

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We had mud wrestling. We had dirty talk. We had poop buckets? Katie's season of The Bachelorette continues onto Week 2 with the first group dates and the first one on one. We also saw Aaron and Cody take their still confusing beef to a seeming conclusion. So what happened? We get into it in this latest episode of The Bachelorette Season 17 Episode 2!

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Katie Thurston's Journey to find love Begins! The Bachelorette Season 17 Episode 1 starts us off with some of the usual, and some of the new vibes. With Taysha Adams and Katelyn Bristowe as hosts bringing some much needed change to the hosting energies, following the purge of Chris Harrison. We meet the men, get to know Katie better and the tone is set for this season. On this premiere episode, X and O give their thoughts on the episode, what we expect for the season and even give you some Top Four predictions. So sit back, grab your headphones and join us as we start off a new era of The Bacheror Franchise and a new Season of The Bachelorette!

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We took a while with this one but honestly, for the better because while the Hometowns episode was a certified snoozer, Bachelor Nation was given a LOT to talk about. In this episode, we talk about Taylor Nolan's problematic tweets, Emmanuel Acho being announced as host of After The Final Rose and where the Franchise could go from there and, of course, we break down Hometowns. Where we saw Michelle's students, Rachael plummeting from the sky, Bri's offroading revenge on Matt, and Serena's Canadian...ness.

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** NOTE: this is the second part of this week's episode of Petals & Thorns. In part 1, we have a serious and focused conversation about Chris Harrison and The Bachelor's diversity problems in general. You can check that Part 1 of the episode if you're interested in that subject. This second part is the actual breakdown of this week's episode. Thanks for listening!** - X&O

From 11 women to 4 in a single episode. The "Red Wedding" of Bachelor episodes, if you will. As Heather comes and goes in a single night, she's only the start of a serious trimming of the cast in preparation for our final four and Hometown dates next week. Did Matt make the right choices? And, of course, we need to talk a little more about Rachael Kirkconnell.

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** NOTE: this is the first part of this week's episode of Petals & Thorns. We do go into the episode itself in the second part but felt it was necessary to have a serious and focused conversation about Chris Harrison and The Bachelor's diversity problems in general. Should you want a more direct breakdown of this week's episode, check out Week 7, Part 2. Thanks for listening!** - X&O

Going by the conversation online, Chris Harrison's days as The Bachelor Franchise's sole host are numbered, but is that the whole story? After his interview with Rachel Lindsay over Rachael Kirkconnell's past blew up Bachelor Nation, it seems this conversation is growing louder by the day. But, the data suggests change might not be happening anytime soon.

Would ABC/Warner Bros. fire Chris? Who should replace him? And why is this such a pivotal moment for the franchise?

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So, we need to talk about what's the latest regarding Rachael Kirkconnell's alleged racist past, but especially Chris Harrison's response to the discourse surrounding it (in an Extra TV interview with Rachel Lindsay). The whole situation is concerning and deeply disappointing for several reasons. On the bright side of this past weekend-- we might finally get Katie for Bachelorette?

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FINALLY, the nightmare that is Victoria is gone. But her spirit continues to roam the halls of Nemacolin. Rachel finally gets her one on one with Matt, but we can't talk about it unless we address some uncomfortable allegations floating around Bachelor Nation. This episode (and this week) has been a lot, but maybe we can help you through it.

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Week 4 of Matt James The Bachelor and we have New Women arriving at the house? 5 of them! And the narrative immediately latches on to two of them, for vastly different reasons. We saw the worst of hashtag #feminism, brunch feminism and how ABC is really failing women. But also, one of the new women, Michelle, immediately shakes up our top picks for the season. Chris Harrison, hyperbole enthusiast, says everything is about to change and, for once, it's true. What happens now???

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The Bachelor Matt James' journey continues in Week 3 with A surprising heel turn and a self elimination. And Katie's turn as the soul of the show arrives. Serena P has a one on one that almost doesn't happen at all?? The Bachelor is only getting weirder, and that Group Date only raises the weird bar.

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The Bachelor Season 25 Continues with a deeply frustrating episode.

Matt James going on Two one on ones. Bri and Sarah both sharing hard stories of their upbringing, vulnerability on full display and Matt continues developing the kind of Bachelor he wants to be. Meanwhile, Victoria continues her descent into infamy in record time. That's the frustrating part.

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New Season, New Mansion and New Bachelor. Bachelor's Historic 25th Season begins as its second Bubble Season welcomes Matt James into Bachelor Nation. Aixita and her fiancée Owl reflect on the previous season of The Bachelorette with Tayshia Adams and how The Bachelor can best follow up what was a very high mark in the Franchise. We'll discuss Episode One, First Impressions and even give our Top 4 predictions! We're happy you're joining us and Welcome to Petals and Thorns!

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