Rob Ray is my guest. He is a Los Angeles artist examining technology in public/outdoor spaces through immersive installations, interactive electronics, experimental videos and sound compositions. He is also a senior human-centered designer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in La Cañada Flintridge, California. He leads the design practice for the OpsLab's ProtoSpace augmented reality (AR) platform. Rob prefers he/his pronouns.

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The ventilator website is: https://medeng.jpl.nasa.gov/

Opposable Thumbs is: https://www.opposablepodcast.com/