Join Gemma Hoskins, the beloved advocate from Netflix&#39;s The Keepers, and veteran crime podcaster Shane Waters as they revisit the unsolved murder of Sister Cathy Cesnik, a young nun whose mysterious death in 1969 has haunted Baltimore for decades. Who Killed Sister Cathy? goes beyond the documentary, bringing you new interviews, fresh perspectives, and revelations that have never been heard before. Together, Gemma and Shane are relentless in their pursuit of the truth, unraveling secrets and untold stories that point to a conspiracy that shook a community to its core. This is not just a podcast—it&#39;s an ongoing investigation that seeks justice for Sister Cathy and comfort for those who loved her.We also welcome you to Shane&#39;s main crime series podcast, with more than 34 series: Foul Play.

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Shane and Gemma discuss the courageous decision of Liz, a former medical assistant, to come forward publicly with her experiences working for Dr. Christian Richter. Liz&#39;s account adds a chilling and previously unknown layer of detail to the tangled narrative surrounding the Sister Cathy case and the alleged criminal activities linked to both Richter and Joseph Maskell. Throughout the episode, Liz recounts her time in Dr. Richter&#39;s office, painting a disturbing picture of the doctor&#39;s conduct and the enigmatic circumstances she witnessed, connecting the medical establishment to the broader and more sinister network of abuse, complicity, and systematic cover-up. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

78: Inside Richter's Office

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Shane and Gemma delve deeper into the unsolved murder of Sister Cathy Cesnik with an enlightening interview with &#39;the brother,&#39; a religious figure who shares his unique and personal perspective on Sister Cathy&#39;s life and the events leading up to her tragic disappearance and death in 1969. The brother offers a rare glimpse into his own interactions with Sister Cathy, reflecting on the path that led her from teaching within religious institutions to the devastating circumstances surrounding her murder. His recollections add important new dimensions to our understanding of Sister Cathy&#39;s final months and the powerful forces that may have viewed her as a threat. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

79: The Brother - Unveiling Hidden Paths

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The 80th episode of the series features a profound and moving discussion with Teresa Lancaster, a pivotal figure from the acclaimed Netflix documentary series The Keepers. Teresa courageously shares her harrowing experiences of abuse within the Catholic Church and her relentless, decades-long pursuit of justice and accountability. In this episode, Teresa delves into her book Safe N Socks, a poignant narrative chronicling her deeply personal story and shedding essential light on the systemic issue of abuse within the Church. She speaks candidly about survival, resilience, and the ongoing fight for accountability that has defined her life since she first came forward publicly. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

80: Safe in Socks - Teresa Lancaster's Journey

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Shane and Gemma are honored to host Jean Wehner, a key figure from the Netflix documentary The Keepers, along with her brother. This episode offers a deep and moving dive into Jean&#39;s newly published memoir, Walking with Aletheia, which chronicles her extraordinary journey of discovery, healing, and truth. Jean&#39;s story of resilience and courage captivated audiences worldwide, and here she provides listeners with an intimate and unguarded look at her experiences, the challenging process of recovered memories, and what it truly means to pursue truth when powerful institutions have invested everything in burying it. A deeply moving conversation about healing and accountability. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

81: Walking with Aletheia

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Shane and Gemma sit down with Jean and Teresa from the Netflix documentary The Keepers to discuss the courts, the church, and the cops. In part one of this two-part conversation, the focus falls squarely on the status of the four-year Maryland Attorney General investigation into clergy abuse within the Archdiocese of Baltimore. Jean and Teresa invite listeners to stand up for truth and actively support all survivors of child sexual abuse by using their voices, making noise, sending messages to officials, and demanding the accountability that has been denied for decades. The discussion examines where the legal system stands and what must change to deliver long-overdue justice. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

82: Teresa & Jean - the Courts, the Church and the Cops, Part 1

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In part two of their conversation with Jean and Teresa from The Keepers, Shane and Gemma continue to examine the troubled intersections of the courts, the church, and law enforcement in the Sister Cathy case. The discussion delves deeper into the systemic failures that have allowed perpetrators of clergy abuse to avoid accountability for decades. Jean and Teresa share their personal perspectives on what meaningful justice would look like for survivors, the significant emotional toll of their sustained advocacy work, and the vital importance of continued public pressure on institutions that have historically prioritized self-protection over the welfare and safety of survivors. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

83: Teresa & Jean - the Courts, the Church and the Cops, Part 2

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Shane and Gemma welcome a distinguished guest, William Ortiz, a retired FBI Special Agent and decorated Marine Corps veteran. With his extensive experience in federal law enforcement and as the founder of Ortsec, a professional polygraph service company, William brings invaluable insight into the science and practice of polygraph examinations. The episode explores the intricacies of how lie detector technology works, its established role in law enforcement investigations, and its potential application to cold cases like Sister Cathy&#39;s. The discussion examines both the capabilities and the acknowledged limitations of polygraph technology in the pursuit of truth. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

84: The Truth in the Machine - Understanding Polygraphs

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The Maryland Attorney General&#39;s investigation into the sexual abuse of children by clergy in the Archdiocese of Baltimore has concluded with a devastating 456-page report. The document details the sexual abuse of more than 600 victims at the hands of 158 Catholic priests within the Archdiocese. Attorney General Brian Frosh has turned the comprehensive report over to the courts and asked that it be released to the public, stating that his investigation uncovered numerous and systematic attempts to cover up the abuse. This episode examines the findings, their implications for survivors seeking justice, and what the report reveals about the institutional mechanisms that enabled decades of abuse. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

85: Transparency and Accountability at the Archdiocese of Baltimore

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Gemma and survivor Donna find themselves at the forefront of a critical moment in the fight against clergy abuse in the Archdiocese of Baltimore. This episode captures the charged atmosphere of a pivotal press conference where SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests), their attorneys, Gemma, and Donna unite to advocate for the full public disclosure of a comprehensive report documenting child sexual abuse within the Church. The episode presents this significant legal and moral battle in full, as survivors demand transparency and meaningful accountability from an institution that has invested decades and millions of dollars in resisting both. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

86: Uniting for Survivors - The Battle for Transparency

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Who stands to gain? This episode examines the complex web of Archdiocesan bankruptcies and their troubling connection to Sister Cathy&#39;s unsolved murder. After funneling extensive financial resources into fighting against survivors in Maryland courts to preserve the statute of limitations, the Archdiocese of Baltimore has opened a new legal front -- filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The Archdiocese appears willing to spend millions more in legal and court fees to essentially create their own form of limitations period, a strategy that has become disturbingly common among dioceses facing clergy abuse claims across the country and around the world. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

87: Bankruptcy and Betrayal - How Bankruptcy Shields Predators

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In this thought-provoking episode, hosts Gemma and Shane delve into the profound implications of the Maryland Attorney General&#39;s landmark report on clergy abuse. Joined by advocate and paralegal Mary Beth and survivor Kim, the episode offers an in-depth analysis of the report&#39;s most significant findings and their impact on the ongoing struggle of survivors seeking justice and acknowledgment. Listeners are drawn into a substantive discussion about how the report sheds new light on the traumatic experiences of abuse survivors and what the documented patterns of institutional cover-up mean for the pursuit of justice in the Sister Cathy case and well beyond. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

88: Reflections on the Attorney General's Report on Clergy Abuse

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Shane undertakes a meticulous examination of the Attorney General&#39;s extensive report on child sexual abuse within the Archdiocese of Baltimore. With careful and deliberate attention, he reads and analyzes key sections of the landmark report, shedding light on the distressing findings and the systemic failures that allowed such abuses to persist unchecked for generations. The episode navigates through the documented web of institutional cover-ups, the devastating and lasting impact on hundreds of victims, and the wholly inadequate response from the Archdiocese. This direct examination of the official record places the documented evidence in essential context for dedicated listeners. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

89: AG Report - A Tale of Abuse and Cover-Up

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Shane and Gemma dive into a dramatic and unexpected new twist in the unsolved murder of Sister Cathy. They are joined by Ronnie Norpel, whose parents were personal friends with Gerry Koob, a Jesuit priest who was close to Sister Cathy and has long been considered a significant person of interest in the case. Ronnie shares shocking allegations against Koob and reveals that he often brought Sister Cathy to her parents&#39; house for visits. This episode explores the critical questions surrounding Koob&#39;s relationship with Sister Cathy, the secrets they may have shared, and how these personal connections relate to the broader web of corruption and cover-up. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

90: The Jesuit Seminarian

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In this episode, recorded as 2022 drew to a close, Shane and Gemma are joined in Maryland by Catherine Rentz, a seasoned journalist and producer, along with John Benam, the acclaimed Director of Photography known for his work on The Keepers. Catherine takes listeners deep into a compelling story that unravels against the backdrop of 1970s Maryland. At the center of this narrative is a doctor whose meticulous preservation of evidence from sexual assault examinations may hold critical keys to understanding the full scope of abuse that occurred in the Archdiocese. The episode explores how these carefully preserved medical slides could still advance the pursuit of justice decades later. Who Killed Sister Cathy? is an ongoing investigation into the unsolved murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik. Subscribe and follow for new episodes. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

91: Slides of Hope: A Doctor's Quest for Justice

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In this episode of Foul Play, Shane and Gemma discuss the significant developments and unanswered questions surrounding the disappearance and murder of Sister Cathy Cesnik. They outline a detailed timeline leading up to and following her disappearance, touching on key events and interactions with people close to her. The episode also delves into the potential involvement of certain individuals, the investigative efforts by the police and FBI, and the forensic analysis of evidence. They address numerous listener-submitted questions, providing comprehensive answers and exploring various theories around the case.Visit us online at <a href="http://itsfoulplay.com" rel="nofollow">itsfoulplay.com</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

92: Sister Cathy, A Timeline of Events and Key Insights

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In this episode of Foul Play, Shane and Gemma pick up where they left off, completing the intricate timeline of events surrounding the disappearance and murder of Sister Cathy Cesnik. They shed light on pivotal moments, uncover new connections, and discuss the lingering questions that continue to haunt this decades-old case. Listeners will also hear thoughtful responses to more submitted questions, as Shane and Gemma explore fresh perspectives and theories that deepen our understanding of the tragedy. Join them as they continue their pursuit of justice and uncover the stories that demand to be told. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

93: Sister Cathy, Continuing the Timeline

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In this episode of Foul Play, Shane and Gemma are joined by Mike, an expert in detecting deception through body language, as they dive deep into the perplexing case of Sister Cathy. The trio scrutinizes the most promising suspects and unpacks intriguing visuals from The Keepers, shedding new light on evidence that has long baffled investigators. Combining detailed analysis with engaging discussion, they explore the nuances of witness behavior and the subtle cues that may reveal the truth behind the murder. Tune in for an insightful and suspenseful investigation that challenges everything you thought you knew about this cold case. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

94: Lies, Truth, and The Keepers

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Shane Waters and Gemma Hoskins sit down together for the first time in over a year for a wide-ranging conversation about the unsolved 1969 murder of Sister Catherine Ann Cesnik in Baltimore, Maryland. Known to millions through the Netflix documentary The Keepers, Gemma has spent more than a decade investigating what happened to Sister Cathy, the young School Sister of Notre Dame who taught English and drama at Archbishop Keough High School. She was found dead two months after her disappearance. This episode is a Q&amp;A, recorded live with questions submitted by listeners through the show&#39;s Facebook community.The Investigation: Timeline Questions and New DoubtsListeners asked about the timeline of the night Sister Cathy Cesnik disappeared on November 7, 1969. Father Gerard Koob, who was in a relationship with Sister Cathy, claims he called the police at 11:30 PM after arriving at her apartment. The police report says the call came at 1:30 AM, a two-hour gap that remains unexplained. Koob says he and Father Peter McKeon found Cathy&#39;s car around 3:30 AM during a walk, but the police report credits McKeon alone with the discovery.Gemma corrects a long-standing detail from The Keepers: the car was not found directly across the street from Cathy&#39;s apartment at Carriage House. It was actually found one court up the street, on Carriage Court, around a curve and out of direct line of sight from Lantern Court. She also confirms that the image of Sister Cathy&#39;s car shown in The Keepers was digitally placed into the scene by producer Jessica Hargrave as a visual aid. The steering wheel appears on the wrong side because the original police impound photo was flipped to match the camera angle.Shane and Gemma discuss the suspicious letter Father Koob claims Cathy wrote to him, a handwritten love letter dated 12:30 AM on the Monday before she disappeared. The letter was found in the morgue notes rather than the detective&#39;s case file. Shane points out this means it was likely turned over after Cathy&#39;s body was found in January 1970, not when she first went missing. A profiler formerly with Scotland Yard analyzed the letter&#39;s content and concluded it was not written by Sister Cathy. Koob did not pass his second polygraph examination.They also examine a separate letter Cathy wrote to her sister Marilyn, postmarked after the disappearance, which was admitted into evidence with the Baltimore County Police but has since gone missing. Shane raises the question of whether Father Koob could have written the letter to Marilyn as well, noting the parallels to the other letter and the movie ticket alibi.New Evidence: The Mary Statue at St. Clement&#39;sGemma shares a story that has not been widely reported. Approximately two years ago, Eva Nelson, a publicly identified survivor of Father Joseph Maskell&#39;s abuse, told investigators she remembered watching Maskell bury something in the backyard of the St. Clement&#39;s rectory in Lansdowne. Police obtained permission from the current property owner and brought in ground-penetrating sonar equipment. Detective Josh Battaglia, the current investigator on Sister Cathy Cesnik&#39;s case, was present at the dig.After two visits and multiple excavations, they found a broken statue of the Virgin Mary buried beneath a large bush that had once been small when Eva was a child. Eva recognized the statue immediately. A nun at St. Clement&#39;s had given it to her for protection, telling her, &#34;Mary will always protect you.&#34; Father Maskell found the statue, broke it in front of Eva, and forced her to watch him bury it. The discovery validates Eva&#39;s memory of events that took place decades ago.Historical ContextSister Catherine Ann Cesnik was a 26-year-old School Sister of Notre Dame who taught English and drama at Archbishop Keough High School in Baltimore. She disappeared on November 7, 1969 after leaving her apartment to run errands. Her body was found on January 3, 1970 in a wooded area in Lansdowne. Her murder has never been solved. Father Joseph Maskell, a Catholic priest and school counselor at Keough, was later accused of sexually abusing dozens of students throughout the 1960s and 1970s. Multiple survivors have said they believe Sister Cathy was killed because she was about to report the abuse. Maskell died in 2001 without facing criminal charges. The case was the subject of the 2017 Netflix documentary series The Keepers.Content WarningThis episode discusses clergy abuse and violence.Frequently Asked QuestionsWho is Gemma Hoskins?Gemma Hoskins is a retired Baltimore teacher and former student at Archbishop Keough High School. She has spent over a decade investigating the murder of her former teacher, Sister Cathy Cesnik. She was featured in the Netflix documentary The Keepers and authored a book about herself and the case. She was named Maryland Teacher of the Year in 1992.What happened to Sister Cathy Cesnik?Sister Catherine Ann Cesnik disappeared from her Baltimore apartment on November 7, 1969. She had gone out to run errands, including a stop at a local bakery. Her car was found near her apartment that night. Her body was found on January 3, 1970. Her murder remains unsolved.What was found buried at St. Clement&#39;s?Police used ground-penetrating sonar to search the backyard of a former rectory associated with Father Maskell in Lansdowne. They found a broken statue of the Virgin Mary that a survivor remembered Maskell burying in front of her decades earlier.Who is investigating Sister Cathy&#39;s case today?Detective Josh Battaglia of the Baltimore County Police Department currently handles the investigation into Sister Cathy Cesnik&#39;s murder. He took over from Corporal Robin Teal after her retirement.Crisis ResourcesIf you or someone you know has been affected by abuse:US: RAINN National Sexual Assault Hotline, 1-800-656-4673US: Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline, 1-800-422-4453UK: NSPCC Helpline, 0808 800 5000UK: Rape Crisis England &amp; Wales, 0808 500 2222 Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

95: The Mary Statue and Unanswered Questions

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Shane Waters and Gemma Hoskins continue their first sit-down in over a year, working through the second half of the questions listeners submitted through the show&#39;s Facebook community. This is the follow-up to &#34;The Mary Statue and Unanswered Questions, &#34; a wide-ranging conversation about the unsolved 1969 murder of Sister Catherine Ann Cesnik in Baltimore, Maryland. Known to millions through the Netflix documentary The Keepers, Gemma has spent more than a decade investigating what happened to Sister Cathy, the young School Sister of Notre Dame who taught English and drama at Archbishop Keough High School.The Persons of InterestListeners asked about the figures who have circled this case for years. Gemma explains why &#34;Brother Bob&#34; has never been publicly identified, how the nickname came to stand for more than one man, and why she has stepped back from the theory she put forward in her own 2019 book. She and Shane talk through how a single murder sits at the center of a web of other abuse and other suspected crimes, and why that makes Sister Cathy&#39;s case so difficult to untangle.New Questions Around Father KoobGemma describes the women who have come forward in recent years with accusations against Father Gerard Koob, and walks through why, in her understanding, charges have been so hard to bring, including questions of jurisdiction and corroboration, since only some of the accusers were abused in Maryland. She recounts asking Detective Josh Battaglia to put her questions to Koob directly. Koob, who was the subject of a 2023 Baltimore Banner investigation by reporter Justin Fenton, continues to deny wrongdoing and says listeners are thinking of a different man. He has not been charged.Who Knew, and the Attorney General&#39;s ReportShane and Gemma discuss how much the staff at Archbishop Keough may have known, and why so many people went quiet after Sister Cathy was killed. They place it in the context of the Maryland Attorney General&#39;s 2023 report on clergy abuse in the Archdiocese of Baltimore, a 456-page document detailing the abuse of more than 600 children across decades and the conclusion that &#34;no parish went untouched. &#34; That history is part of what is driving the Archdiocese&#39;s current bankruptcy.Joyce Malecki and the Sealed FilesThe conversation turns to Joyce Malecki, the 20-year-old whose 1969 murder near Fort Meade has long been discussed alongside Sister Cathy&#39;s. Gemma updates listeners on the 2023 exhumation of Joyce&#39;s body, the family&#39;s still-unanswered request for thousands of pages of FBI files first sought in 2014, and the letter Senator Chris Van Hollen carried to the White House on their behalf. Shane makes the case for why physical evidence in an unsolved murder should never be destroyed.Cathy&#39;s FamilyGemma reflects on why Sister Cathy&#39;s family chose to step out of the spotlight after The Keepers, the heartbreak of learning their loved one&#39;s death may not have been random, and the dignity of their decision to protect their own peace.Content WarningThis episode discusses clergy abuse and violence.Frequently Asked QuestionsWho is Gemma Hoskins?Gemma Hoskins is a retired Baltimore teacher and former student at Archbishop Keough High School. She has spent more than a decade investigating the murder of her former teacher, Sister Cathy Cesnik, and was one of the central figures in the Netflix documentary The Keepers. She was named Maryland Teacher of the Year in 1992.Has anyone been charged in Sister Cathy&#39;s murder?No. The 1969 murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik remains unsolved, and no one has ever been charged.What is the Maryland Attorney General&#39;s report?Released in 2023, the report documented decades of child sexual abuse within the Archdiocese of Baltimore, naming Father Joseph Maskell among its most prolific abusers and identifying more than 600 victims across the Archdiocese.Who is investigating Sister Cathy&#39;s case today?Detective Josh Battaglia of the Baltimore County Police Department currently handles the investigation. He took overfrom Corporal Robin Teal after her retirement.Crisis ResourcesIf you or someone you know has been affected by abuse:US: RAINN National Sexual Assault Hotline, 1-800-656-4673US: Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline, 1-800-422-4453UK: NSPCC Helpline, 0808 800 5000UK: Rape Crisis England &amp; Wales, 0808 500 2222 Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

96: The Suspects and the Silence

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Shane Waters and Gemma Hoskins close out their reunion by going down the list of the people who appeared in the Netflix documentary The Keepers, where they are today, who is still fighting, who has found peace, and who the world has lost. It is a warm, reflective conversation about the unsolved 1969 murder of Sister Catherine Ann Cesnik, the young School Sister of Notre Dame who taught English and drama at Archbishop Keough High School in Baltimore, and about the community of survivors, investigators, journalists, and filmmakers her case brought together.The Investigators and AdvocatesGemma gives an honest update on her own life, recovering from a broken hip, stepping back from the day-to-day advocacy, and finding peace in a quiet home in the woods. She talks about her fellow amateur investigator Abbie Schaub, who remains active in the legislative fight and helps run the official Keepers community online.The SurvivorsShane and Gemma share where the survivors are now. Jean Hargadon Wehner, known as &#34;Jane Doe&#34; in the case, is doing meaningful work and published her memoir, Walking with Aletheia. Teresa Lancaster, &#34;Jane Roe, &#34; became an attorney and a leading public voice for survivors, helped pass Maryland&#39;s 2023 Child Victims Act, and wrote her memoir, Safe in Socks. Donna testified in Annapolis for the Child Victims Act and helped get Father Neil Magnus added to a public list of credibly accused clergy. They also remember Charles Franz and several of Sister Cathy&#39;s former students, including Kathy Hoback, the student Sister Cathy once shielded from Father Maskell, who passed away thispast year.The Journalists and ExpertsThey remember journalist Bob Erlandson of the Baltimore Sun, who covered the case as it happened and died this past year at 94, and renowned forensic pathologist Dr. Werner Spitz, who died in 2024 at 97. Shane and Gemma also revisit Delegate C.T. Wilson, the abuse survivor who championed the Child Victims Act, and journalist Tom Nugent, whose reporting first brought the case back into the light.The FilmmakersGemma catches listeners up on the team behind The Keepers, director Ryan White, producer Jessica Hargrave, and cinematographer John Benham, whose work since the series includes the Oscar-nominated, Peabody-winning documentary Come See Me in the Good Light. And, of course, they give a nod to Kim, who edits this very podcast.What Comes NextShane and Gemma agree to keep going as the story unfolds, and invite listeners to suggest the people they would still like to hear from.Content WarningThis episode discusses clergy abuse and violence.Frequently Asked QuestionsWhat is The Keepers about?The Keepers is a 2017 Netflix documentary series about the unsolved 1969 murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik, a Baltimore nun and teacher, and the allegations of abuse at Archbishop Keough High School that may be connected to her death.Who were Jane Doe and Jane Roe?Jean Hargadon Wehner was known as &#34;Jane Doe&#34; and Teresa Lancaster as &#34;Jane Roe, &#34; two survivors whose accounts were central to The Keepers. Both have since written memoirs and become advocates for other survivors.What is the Maryland Child Victims Act?Passed in 2023, the Maryland Child Victims Act removed the time limits on lawsuits for survivors of child sexual abuse. Survivors featured in The Keepers, along with Delegate C.T. Wilson, were instrumental in its passage.Is Sister Cathy&#39;s murder solved?No. The murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik remains unsolved more than fifty years later. Crisis ResourcesIf you or someone you know has been affected by abuse:US: RAINN National Sexual Assault Hotline, 1-800-656-4673US: Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline, 1-800-422-4453UK: NSPCC Helpline, 0808 800 5000UK: Rape Crisis England &amp; Wales, 0808 500 2222 Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a>

97: The Keepers, Where Are They Now

The Ongoing Investigation Into Baltimore's Deepest Mystery

Join Gemma Hoskins, the beloved advocate from Netflix's The Keepers , and veteran crime podcaster Shane Waters as they revisit the unsolved murder of Sister Cathy Cesnik, a young nun whose mysterious death in 1969 has haunted Baltimore for decades. Who Killed Sister Cathy? goes beyond the documentary, bringing you new interviews, fresh perspectives, and revelations that have never been heard before. Together, Gemma and Shane are relentless in their pursuit of the truth, unraveling secrets and untold stories that point to a conspiracy that shook a community to its core. This is not just a podcast—it's an ongoing investigation that seeks justice for Sister Cathy and comfort for those who loved her.

We also welcome you to Shane's main crime series podcast, with more than 34 series: *Foul Play.*