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LIVE w/ Alex Jordan & Courtney Rawlings : Who Benefits When America Stays At War

39m | May 27, 2026

Peace talks with Iran don’t just face obstacles overseas, they run straight into a buzz saw at home. Kelly Vlejos is joined by Quincy Institute colleagues Alex Jerdon and Courtney Rawlings, co-hosts of Always at War, to unpack a Memorial Day weekend news cycle that swung from talk of a US-Iran breakthrough to renewed strikes and a full-blown meltdown from the usual hawks.


We dig into the messaging coming from prominent pro-war voices, including the claim that America must “negotiate while fighting,” and why that framing turns diplomacy into a stepping stone for escalation rather than a way out. We also question the contradiction at the heart of so much cable news commentary: if Iran was supposedly “decimated,” why is the answer always more bombing and more open-ended objectives? Along the way, we connect the debate to intelligence realities, including repeated assertions that the Iranian nuclear weapons narrative does not match the available assessments.


The conversation widens to the bipartisan politics that make peace harder, with Democrats sometimes attacking negotiation from the right, and to the deeper culture of the Washington foreign policy blob on display in the Monk debate featuring Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer versus Victoria Nuland and Mike Pompeo. We close by tying it to the core question behind Always at War: what incentives, myths, and moneyed interests keep the United States locked into permanent war logic.


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Chapter Markers

  • 0:31 Welcome And Subscribe
  • 1:53 Tulsi Gabbard And Iran Whiplash
  • 4:39 Hawks Push “Negotiate While Fighting”
  • 8:46 Ted Cruz And War Narrative Spin
  • 15:11 Can Trump Ignore The Pressure
  • 21:38 Democrats Undercut Diplomacy
  • 25:09 Monk Debate And The DC Priesthood
  • 34:01 Always At War And Profit Incentives
  • 38:18 Final Thoughts And Thanks


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