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Don Scarbrough on taxes, data centers, and accountability | Town Square Podcast Episode 108 | Candidate Conversations

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You work, pay your bills, and pay your taxes. How much should government ask of you, and how clearly should it explain what happens to that money?

For Don Scarbrough, those questions sit at the center of his campaign for Georgia House District 113. In Episode 108 of the Town Square Podcast, our Candidate Conversations series continues with a candidate who describes himself as a working man, an IT professional, and a Christian constitutional conservative.

He has strong opinions about taxes, public spending, and the role of government. Trey asks him to explain what those convictions would mean for schools, law enforcement, health care, and the data centers drawing so much attention in Newton County.

The conversation also gets into the harder part of running for office: turning a principle into something that can work alongside other lawmakers and serve people who may disagree with you.

A working man with firm convictions

Scarbrough says he did not set out to become a politician. People who knew him encouraged him to run, and he describes his motivation in familiar terms: taking care of his family, practicing his faith, and wanting government to stop making life harder for working people.

That perspective shapes his approach to the District 113 race. He wants voters to understand his principles before they decide whether he should represent them. He also acknowledges that people across party lines have much in common, even as the conversation explores some sharp ideological differences.

When Trey asks about his campaign language opposing the Democratic agenda, Scarbrough narrows his objection to what he calls a Democratic Socialist agenda. His concern, as he explains it, is the growth of government power and its effect on individual freedom. Trey brings the conversation back to affordability and why people who feel shut out of homeownership might become open to different economic ideas.

Taxes and the question of who should pay

Scarbrough uses blunt language to describe his frustration with taxation. But he also says taxes are necessary to support basic services. His argument is that government takes too much, spends too loosely, and makes it too difficult for people to see whether programs deliver what they promise.

He favors exploring a consumption-based tax approach and discusses a simpler system with possible relief for people living in poverty. This is a statement of direction in the interview, rather than a costed legislative proposal. He also recognizes that federal tax administration is outside the office he is seeking.

The discussion becomes especially local when it turns to school taxes. Scarbrough questions why people without children in public schools should have to pay them, including families using private schools and people without school-age children. Trey presses on the shared-service principle behind that argument and asks whether rising property assessments are part of what makes the burden feel so heavy.

It is a real disagreement about how communities fund services. The interview gives voters a chance to hear both Scarbrough’s objection and the questions it raises about paying for public education.

Education and the ability to think independently

Education comes up as both a spending question and an opportunity question. Scarbrough argues that larger budgets should be judged against results. Trey raises the science of reading, phonics, and the importance of getting the fundamentals right.

Scarbrough emphasizes independent thought: students should learn the basics and develop the ability to research, evaluate information, and make decisions for themselves. That concern resurfaces later when he discusses AI and the risk of relying on technology to do the thinking for us.

For local readers, the connection is straightforward. Literacy and critical thinking affect a person’s ability to work, support a family, and participate in community life. The interview explores what Scarbrough thinks schools should accomplish without laying out a detailed education funding plan.

Public safety with an emphasis on training

Scarbrough’s views on crime are informed in part by personal experiences he recounts during the conversation, including a house fire while he was in Iraq and theft from his property afterward. He also describes more recent vehicle break-ins.

He supports law enforcement, stronger enforcement of existing laws, and Second Amendment rights. When Trey asks what safer communities would require, Scarbrough discusses hiring more officers and investing in training, especially constitutional law and knowledge of the laws officers enforce.

He also calls for accountability when judges make decisions involving repeat offenders. He clarifies that his point is about whether a judge should remain in office. Throughout this portion of the interview, his stated priorities are public safety, fairness, and constitutional protections.

An IT perspective that calls for slowing down data centers

An IT background might lead you to expect an enthusiastic pitch for data centers. Scarbrough takes a more skeptical position.

He questions the pace of development, the assumptions behind AI demand, and the consequences for local power, water, and infrastructure. He supports a moratorium while those issues receive closer scrutiny. Trey presses him on the services data centers already support, including cloud computing, business operations, and the platform carrying this very conversation.

Scarbrough acknowledges that data centers are useful. His position centers on how many are needed, whether the technology and demand justify the buildout, and who carries the cost. He also raises concerns about AI errors, bias, privacy, and dependence on technology.

His clearest line is about infrastructure: private enterprises should pay for the demands they create. “Taxpayers do not need to pay for private enterprise,” he says. That principle also drives his skepticism toward public subsidies more broadly.

Follow the money before expanding programs

On Medicaid, Scarbrough says he wants fraud and waste addressed before considering expansion. He argues that government should understand where existing money goes and what it achieves before asking taxpayers to support more spending.

He calls for audits and public access to their findings. His broader goal is to make spending traceable so residents can see what was purchased, what it cost, and whether it worked. The conversation presents his case for oversight; it does not establish how much an audit would recover or whether those savings would meet additional health care needs.

“Accountability is my number one goal here,” he says.

The flashlight candidate

Near the end, Trey gives Scarbrough a memorable description: the flashlight candidate. The idea is to shine a light on spending and let the public see what is happening.

Scarbrough is careful about promising results. He can commit to trying, he says, but cannot honestly guarantee what he would accomplish in a first term. That distinction matters in a conversation full of firm convictions: governing would still require working with other members of the House.

That is why we do Candidate Conversations. Voters deserve time to hear a candidate explain his priorities, respond to follow-up questions, and work through the places where a slogan leaves something unanswered.

Watch Episode 108 and hear Don Scarbrough’s perspective in full. Bring your questions to the messy middle. Unity does not require uniformity.

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Our Candidate Conversation series continues as Trey Bailey welcomes Rev. Dr. Eric Lee, candidate for Georgia Senate District 42.

A young family moves in with relatives, works to get on its feet, and hopes a first home is somewhere within reach. Rev. Dr. Eric Lee knows that experience personally. In this conversation, he recalls receiving food assistance and substitute teaching during the year he began pastoring Springfield Baptist Church. Six months later, he says, his family bought its first home.

Now he looks at his own children and wonders how many young adults can still make that kind of move.

That question runs through Episode 107 of The Town Square Podcast. Lee joins Trey Bailey for our continuing Candidate Conversation series to discuss his run for Georgia Senate District 42 and the priorities he would bring to the Gold Dome. Affordability gets much of the attention, but the conversation also asks what makes a community worth living in and what residents should expect from the people who represent them.

A pastor with family on both sides of the affordability question

Lee and his wife came to Newton County in 1999 with a young son. Their family grew to five children, and his ministry at Springfield grew with the community. He talks warmly about Mansfield Elementary, where his wife worked as a speech therapist and their first three children attended school.

His decision to run is rooted partly in the stage of life he occupies now. He has aging parents and children beginning their adult lives. Healthcare, housing, and the cost of getting established feel immediate when he thinks about both generations.

Lee also describes how ministry has shaped his understanding of influence. He recalls the sense of calm he felt hearing Senate Chaplain Barry Black pray in the aftermath of January 6. The moment helped him think about the importance of bringing his voice into places where public decisions are made.

“It’s not just what you say,” Lee says. “It’s where you say it.”

He sees public service as another opportunity to help people, while recognizing that representing a district means reaching people beyond his own congregation.

Making a first home feel possible again

For Lee, homeownership is one measure of whether hard work can still lead to stability. He wants first-time buyers to have a better chance of purchasing a primary residence, and he argues that competing with corporate buyers can put families at a disadvantage.

He calls for incentives for first-time homebuyers and consideration of ways to limit direct competition from corporate entities. These are priorities he wants lawmakers to pursue; the conversation does not lay out a completed bill or a detailed financing plan.

Trey connects the issue to the character of a neighborhood. A home can give people a reason to invest in the place and the neighbors around them. Lee’s concern is that families who work and save should have a realistic opportunity to put down those roots.

Fuel costs and access to healthcare

Lee also raises shorter-term relief from fuel costs. He suggests considering periods of suspended state gas taxes, with attention to travel seasons and the fuel needs of farmers. His argument is that transportation costs reach beyond the pump and affect the price of producing and moving food.

On healthcare, he supports Medicaid expansion. He points to North Carolina as an example and argues that broader coverage could help Georgians afford care and reduce pressure on hospitals. Trey and Lee connect that discussion to their experience around a hospital board table, where financial decisions have practical consequences for local care.

The proposals give listeners a sense of where Lee would focus. They also leave room for the questions that follow any policy idea: how it would be funded, who would benefit, and how lawmakers would measure whether it works.

Tax relief without leaving schools short

Property taxes bring the discussion directly into Trey’s work on the school board. Families need relief, especially seniors at risk of being priced out of homes they have already paid for. Schools and other public services still need dependable funding.

Lee argues that those responsibilities can be addressed together. He favors looking at relief based on income and says revenue removed from one place has to be accounted for somewhere else. He is skeptical of sweeping promises to eliminate taxes without explaining how essential services would continue.

“We should all have skin in the game,” he says.

He also challenges the idea that a large state surplus, by itself, proves government is meeting its responsibilities. His concern is whether needs in healthcare, education, and infrastructure remain unmet while money sits unused. The conversation makes the tradeoff concrete: a tax decision eventually reaches a classroom, a school bus, a hospital, or a household budget.

Data centers and the need for public answers

When the conversation turns to data centers, Lee resists an easy yes-or-no answer. He describes them as growth that communities will have to manage and calls for a substantial role for local control.

His concerns include energy demands, the distinction between temporary construction jobs and permanent employment, and the information residents receive before decisions are made. He questions the use of nondisclosure arrangements in a process that affects the public.

Trey raises the possibility of appropriately located industrial development helping support local services, while acknowledging the concerns of people living nearby. Lee encourages people to keep learning and to approach educational discussions with an open mind.

The exchange leaves listeners with a useful set of questions: What is being promised? What will the community be responsible for? And how much will residents know before a decision is final?

What wages have to do with community life

Lee supports raising wages, but he does not offer a specific minimum-wage target in this interview. He says employers and economists need to be part of the discussion and acknowledges concerns about the effects on small businesses.

He describes conversations with people whose employees work multiple jobs to make ends meet. The issue, in his telling, is both income and the time left over for living.

Trey follows that thought into the community. If someone can meet expenses with one job instead of several, there may be time to attend a child’s game, volunteer, or participate in church. Lee adds Bible study to the list. It is a small exchange that explains why the conversation keeps returning to quality of life.

Representing the whole district

Lee’s view of community investment includes places where people meet outside political arguments. He talks about the Cricket Frog Trail, local arts events, and Springfield’s support for the Fuzz Run. Those experiences, he says, can help neighbors get to know one another.

Asked what distinguishes his candidacy, Lee says he wants to represent the entire district. He rejects a county-against-county approach and says he is seeking support from people across political affiliations. He wants voters to consider what their communities could become.

That is also the purpose of making time for a full Candidate Conversation. A campaign name on a sign tells you very little about how a person thinks. This episode gives listeners time to hear Lee’s reasoning, weigh his proposals, and decide which questions they want their next state senator to answer.

Watch the full conversation: https://youtu.be/-iZSh6fJfvg

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A data center moves into the conversation. A school needs resources. A family needs medical care, but help is a long drive away. State policy can feel distant until the consequences land close to home.

For Michael Caw, those concerns are connected by a question he says he hears from residents: Are the people making decisions actually listening?

In Episode 106, our Candidate Conversation series continues with the Newborn councilman and candidate for Georgia House of Representatives District 114. Caw joins Trey Bailey and Gabriel Stovall to discuss growth, education, healthcare access, local businesses, and how he would approach representing his neighbors at the Gold Dome.

From testing building materials to serving neighbors

Caw introduces himself with stories from Wichita, Kansas, his move to the South, and a career at Georgia-Pacific testing building materials. The work involved walls, roofs, ceilings, and doors, with safety as a practical concern: Would the materials and hardware do their job when people depended on them?

He returns to that idea of standards throughout the conversation. Working with different people requires flexibility, he says, along with a foundation everyone can build on. He connects that experience to service on the Newborn council and volunteer work with the Newborn Heritage Trust.

Asked why he wants to run for the state House, Caw says residents need representatives who hear their concerns and bring them into the policy process. He describes himself as a fellow constituent seeking to become their advocate.

Data centers and the responsibilities of a neighbor

Data centers are among the concerns Caw says he hears while talking with voters. He questions the scale of their resource use and raises concerns about water, noise, lighting, and the surrounding environment.

“People should be first for those resources,” he says.

Caw recognizes artificial intelligence as a tool, while questioning how much infrastructure is needed and what communities should expect from the companies building it. His test is whether a business will be a good corporate neighbor and participate in the life of the community.

He points to the local merchants and gathering places that help sustain Newborn and nearby Mansfield. For him, economic development should be evaluated with the people already living there in mind.

School funding gets a closer look

When Caw names education as a priority, Trey pauses the conversation to dig into the school funding formula. Caw says Georgia needs to revisit its Quality Basic Education, or QBE, formula and better support schools.

The conversation looks at how the demands on schools have changed, including technology, safety, and the cost of educating students. Caw also calls for residents to take an active role by helping children read, explore their interests, and understand their responsibility to the community.

His view of preparation goes beyond learning to operate the latest device. He emphasizes thinking, communication, and adaptable skills, along with the lessons students learn through art and athletics. The hosts join him in discussing why young people need an education that can serve them through changing jobs and stages of life.

Healthcare that people can reach

Healthcare access is Caw’s third major priority. He describes concerns about ambulance response times and the distance residents in rural areas may need to travel for care. He asks whether more places to stabilize patients before transfer could help families who live far from a hospital.

He also raises access to care for women and children and argues for a stronger regional healthcare presence. Mental health belongs in that discussion, he says, alongside physical health.

The conversation presents his priorities and reasoning rather than a detailed plan for financing or implementing those services. His central argument is that healthy residents and accessible care are investments in the community’s future.

Keeping local businesses and farms in the picture

Asked about supporting businesses, farmers, and working families, Caw starts with buying locally. He describes purchases from a neighborhood merchant as part of a network that supports mortgages, children, jobs, and other businesses nearby.

He wants farmers to have markets for their products and encourages people to develop and share practical skills. That leads to a lighter exchange about artisan businesses, handmade goods, and his own interest in sewing and learning to repair shoes.

There is also a question about how government spends. Caw says public resources have limits and argues that policy should look beyond the next election cycle. He wants leaders to consider who benefits from a decision and whether the investment serves residents over time.

Working together starts with seeing the person

When Gabriel asks about working with Republicans and Democrats, Caw starts with recognizing the other person’s humanity and the people they represent. Listening, patience, and empathy are part of his answer.

“Compromise is not a dirty word,” he says.

Trey recalls meeting Caw at a gathering of local leaders from different political backgrounds. Sharing a meal and talking helped build relationships that could matter later, when those same leaders needed to solve a difficult problem together.

That is a fitting place for this Candidate Conversation to land. Voters deserve time to hear how a candidate thinks, what he prioritizes, and how he responds to questions. Watch the full conversation, consider Caw’s answers, and keep asking questions of the people who want to represent you.

Learn more about Michael Caw’s campaign:

https://cawforgeorgia.com

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A grocery bill. A long drive to medical care. A veteran still trying to get help. When Pamela DeLancy talks about the people she meets on the campaign trail, those are the kinds of concerns she brings to the table.

In Episode 105, our Candidate Conversation series continues with DeLancy, a retired Army colonel and registered nurse running for US Congress in Georgia’s 10th District. She joins us to discuss the experiences that shaped her, why she decided to run, and what she hears from residents across a district that takes serious windshield time to cover.

She is direct about her convictions. She also has stories to tell, beginning long before she ever thought about putting her name on a ballot.

Learning to lead before she had a title

As the oldest of six children, DeLancy describes taking on family responsibilities early. After her parents divorced, her mother worked nights as a licensed practical nurse. DeLancy helped get her siblings up, fed, and ready for school so that the morning could run smoothly when her mother came home.

She also recalls her younger brother’s serious medical needs and the family’s move from Louisiana to Houston to find care. Helping her family was part of daily life. Looking back, she sees those experiences as the beginning of her understanding of accountability and service.

At 17, she asked her mother to sign the paperwork allowing her to join the Army. She saw a way to continue her education, support herself, and send money home. The plan eventually led her into nursing and a military career that lasted much longer than she initially imagined.

From enlisted soldier to Army colonel

Early in the interview, DeLancy corrects the hosts’ notes: her service totaled 39 years, including 31 on active duty and eight in the Army Reserve. She describes beginning as an enlisted soldier, taking college classes while stationed in Germany, and later returning to school full time.

Through ROTC and nursing school, she became an officer. She tells the story of discovering that the Army needed her back on active duty as a nurse, a development she now sees as one of the best turns her career took.

The conversation also addresses the challenges she experienced as a Black woman in leadership. DeLancy says she learned to stay focused on her work and goals even when others questioned her authority. Her advice to younger soldiers was practical: be dependable, meet the standard, and do not let someone else’s behavior determine the course of your career.

Why she decided to run

DeLancy says her decision grew out of concerns about constitutional rights and the direction of the country. She emphasizes the military oath to the Constitution and argues that public officials should serve the people rather than pledge loyalty to a particular administration.

Her experience surviving gallbladder cancer also changed how she thought about the time ahead of her. She describes surgery, chemotherapy, and the importance of advocating for herself as a patient. After a long career of service, she felt called to do more.

There is a candid campaign origin story, too: a YouTube class, advice about raising money, and a prospective campaign manager whose discounted fee was still beyond what she had available. DeLancy kept going. A friend’s phrase, “Pam speaks boldly,” becomes a recurring thread in the interview.

What she hears on the road

Asked what residents tell her, DeLancy returns to affordability. She describes concerns about groceries, housing, fuel, and wages, along with the practical difficulty of finding services in rural communities. Some of the conversations she recounts involve limited access to dental care, maternity care, or a nearby grocery store.

For DeLancy, those issues connect. A job needs to pay enough to support a household, and a community needs the services that allow people to keep living and working there. She argues for stronger wages and career training, including opportunities for people who do not pursue a four-year degree.

She also talks about farmers who want to preserve agricultural land as pressure for development grows. The needs of a rural community, she says, cannot be understood solely from a distance. That is part of why she puts so much emphasis on visiting people in person.

Veterans and the work of getting help

Veterans’ care is one of the most personal parts of the episode. DeLancy describes people she has met who spent years trying to secure benefits, and she recounts her uncle’s experience seeking disability compensation. She says his approval arrived the day before the family buried him.

Her central argument is that veterans should not have to struggle through an exhausting process to obtain support connected to their service. She calls for more consistent access to mental healthcare, with attention to continuing treatment and prevention as well as crisis response.

She also describes an idea for a public-service employment and training program inspired by earlier conservation efforts. In her proposal, veterans and workers who need additional skills could train for jobs that meet needs in their own communities. She connects that idea to rural employment and the care an aging population will require.

Affordability without a magic wand

The hosts ask what Congress can realistically do about food and housing costs. DeLancy acknowledges that Congress cannot simply make prices fall overnight. She discusses supporting locally grown food, scrutinizing corporate pricing, and improving pay so that more families can cover basic expenses.

She also argues that debates about food assistance need to account for what people earn. In her view, it makes little sense to criticize families for needing help while accepting wages that leave them unable to pay for necessities.

Her answers place household stability at the center of her campaign. They also give listeners a useful starting point for follow-up questions about the federal policies, costs, and partnerships that would be needed to carry out her priorities.

Data centers and the people living nearby

When the conversation turns to data centers, DeLancy questions whether the promised economic benefits adequately account for the burdens on nearby residents. She raises concerns about water use, electricity demand, noise, and the protection of farmland.

She argues that developers should bear responsibility for addressing resource needs and community impacts. She also suggests that residents should share more directly in the benefits of projects built near them. These are her policy views and concerns; the interview is not a technical assessment of a particular facility.

The hosts acknowledge that they have heard different perspectives on data centers across the podcast. This conversation adds DeLancy’s priorities to that wider discussion: protect essential resources and ask who receives the benefit when a community accepts a major development.

Voting and the meaning of representation

DeLancy recounts receiving a voter-registration mailing that concerned her and contacting election officials about it. The experience becomes part of a larger conversation about access to voting and the importance she places on constitutional rights. For official registration and polling information, Georgia listeners can use the state’s My Voter Page: https://mvp.sos.ga.gov/s/

The hosts also ask her to identify both a difference and a point of agreement with her Republican opponent. DeLancy draws a sharp distinction between their approaches and says the shared pursuit of the office is the only common ground she can name. It is a revealing answer in a series built to let candidates explain where they stand.

She closes by asking voters to consider a candidate’s values and commitment to representation. Her case for running rests on the idea that serving people has been the consistent work of her life. Hear her make that case, weigh the ideas, and bring your own questions to the conversation.

Watch Episode 105: https://youtu.be/zHkwm1U8VKA

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What does “meeting in the middle” actually mean when the conversation turns to healthcare, immigration, abortion, and the cost of living? It is easy to say we need more cooperation. The harder question is where a candidate is willing to practice it.

In Episode 104, our Candidate Conversation series continues with Jonathan Chavez, a Republican running for US Congress in Georgia’s 13th District. The Conyers resident joins us to discuss the experiences behind his positions, the problems he wants Congress to address, and the places where his answers depart from familiar party talking points.

There is also a surprisingly detailed conversation about loading a dishwasher. Around here, getting to know a candidate includes the person who goes home after the campaign event.

The family and work behind the campaign

Chavez describes a path from Albuquerque to Boston and eventually to Conyers, where his wife’s family helped draw them to Georgia. He talks about raising four children, his family’s decision to homeschool, and the work ethic his father passed down to him.

Those family stories help explain how he approaches opportunity and responsibility. He recalls working as a teenager and learning to keep a goal in view when setbacks came. Today, he says, his children are a central reason he keeps pushing himself.

His professional background brings another perspective. Drawing on his military medical service and work in healthcare administration, Chavez describes leadership as a responsibility to make decisions with the best information available, including information that challenges your first instinct.

Why he wants people who will challenge him

One of the episode’s most revealing stories comes from a military training exercise. Faced with a simulated casualty lying on a grenade, Chavez had to decide how to protect his team while continuing to help other patients. He describes choosing to report the hazard and move the team forward.

The lesson he carried away was about making a decision under pressure, then learning from it. In his civilian work, he says that also means hiring people who will question his approach.

“I need to surround myself with not just yes people,” Chavez says. He wants respectful opposition because someone else may see the angle he missed. That idea becomes a recurring test throughout the conversation: how would it translate from a hospital team to Congress?

Healthcare beyond a yes or no on Obamacare

Healthcare produces some of the most detailed policy discussion. Chavez says he values the Affordable Care Act’s protections for people with preexisting conditions and wants to improve the system rather than reject it wholesale.

He proposes expanding public coverage for certain expensive medical conditions while giving health insurers more ability to compete across state lines, with a minimum coverage standard. In his view, taking on some of the costliest care could create room to press insurers for lower premiums. Those are his proposed changes and expected benefits, not established outcomes.

Chavez connects his ideas to the patients he encounters through his work, including people who struggle to afford copayments. He also describes efforts to shorten inpatient MRI turnaround times and develop cardiac imaging services. For him, the policy question starts with whether people can actually get the care they need.

The discussion leaves room for the implementation questions: how coverage would be financed, how quality would be protected, and what would make the promised savings reach patients. It gives listeners a clearer picture of what he wants to pursue.

Affordability and a different way to collect taxes

On affordability, Chavez discusses housing tax credits, business regulation, and support for small businesses. The hosts press him on the boundary between what Congress can change and what belongs to state or local government.

He also explains his interest in the FairTax proposal, a national consumption tax approach with a monthly household “prebate.” He sees potential in changing how federal taxes are collected, while saying the idea needs more research and questioning whether it would really eliminate the IRS.

For listeners, the useful question is what such a change would mean for a household’s full budget: take-home pay, purchases, and the monthly prebate together. Chavez’s expectations about prices and savings are part of his case for studying the proposal.

Border security and a pathway for longtime residents

Asked what securing the border means to him, Chavez argues for enforcement alongside a more workable legal immigration system. He also says some longtime undocumented residents who have contributed to their communities should have a pathway toward citizenship.

His grandfather’s immigration story helps shape that view. Chavez says this is one area where he differs from some people in his own party, and he describes wanting a process that is faster and better able to vet applicants.

The exchange gets at an important part of Candidate Conversations: a broad campaign phrase can hold very different ideas. Asking the next question is how listeners find out what a candidate actually means.

Schools and measuring student growth

Education brings the conversation back to the relationship between federal support and local decisions. Chavez favors expanding support for students facing poverty, educator development, and students from immigrant backgrounds while giving states and districts room to determine how resources are used.

He argues for measuring students’ progress from their starting points. When students struggle, he wants schools to receive help and resources to improve. He also supports assistance for homeschooling families, while acknowledging that homeschooling is not a workable option for everyone and that public schools will continue to serve families.

Faith, abortion and the limits of party labels

Chavez is direct about his Christian faith and opposition to abortion. He describes those convictions as central to his reasons for running, and he discusses wanting a larger place for prayer and Christian principles in public life.

The hosts also explore how voters weigh competing priorities. A person’s party affiliation does not necessarily tell you what they believe about every issue, or which concern will carry the most weight in their vote. That exchange adds context without resolving the disagreements.

Chavez says he once identified as a Democrat, and he credits conversations with his wife with challenging his views. His willingness to describe that change sits alongside firm positions that some listeners will share and others will question. Both are part of understanding the candidate.

Hear the reasoning and bring your questions

Near the end, the conversation returns to accountability: what should voters expect from the person they send to Washington, and how should they judge the results? Chavez argues for a change in representation and says he does not want a lifelong career in Congress.

This episode offers listeners time to hear his reasoning across several issues, including where he draws a firm line and where he sees room to work with others. Watch the full conversation, consider the proposals, and bring your own questions. That is the work of the messy middle.

Watch Episode 104: https://youtu.be/4b3pWEq1Cv8

Links Mentioned

Jonathan Chavez campaign website - https://jonathanchavezforcongress.com/

FairTax proposal discussed in the episode - https://fairtax.org/about/how-fairtax-works

Watch Episode 104 - https://youtu.be/4b3pWEq1Cv8

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What Ten Dollars a Month Can Do for Your Community

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Ten dollars a month may not sound like the beginning of a community investment strategy. Zayvion Sheppard thinks it is a perfectly good place to start. Get 50 people to commit, and those small gifts add up to $500 a month, or $6,000 over a full year. For a grassroots organization helping students prepare for college or neighbors find work, that can mean something practical.

Zay returns to The Town Square Podcast with an invitation to participate in that kind of giving through For Atlanta. By Atlanta., known as FABA. He also brings a book announcement, an honest account of nearly giving up on the organization, and a reminder that the people who invest in a young person may never see the full reach of what they started.

Making room for everyday donors

Zay describes attending an Atlanta benefit and leaving energized by the generosity in the room. He appreciated what large donors and corporate partners could make possible. He also wondered how more people could experience the same connection to the work without a high price of admission.

That question helped shape what he calls “affordable impact.” The FABA 50 invites 50 people to give $10 a month. It is a way to make regular community giving accessible to people who want to help but may never write a large check.

In the conversation, Zay is candid about how hard it can be to ask. At 22, he has had to challenge his own doubts about whether people will trust him with their money. The response from his network has pushed him to take that trust seriously and to stop assuming the answer will be no.

Raise invest and elevate

FABA’s approach centers on raising money, investing in community organizations, and sharing the stories of what those investments make possible. Zay wants donors to see the people and work behind a contribution.

He points to the Taylor Made Foundation as an example. In his account, FABA’s support helped the organization send five graduating students off to college with dorm-room supplies. Refrigerators, microwaves, toiletries and school supplies may not sound glamorous. For a family getting a student ready to leave home, they are real needs.

Zay also discusses support for after-school learning and workforce development. When asked whether education, housing and employment define the organization’s limits, he clarifies that fighting poverty is the broader purpose. The team wants to find trusted organizations doing effective work, including those that may not fit neatly into a predetermined category.

Finding the people a neighborhood already trusts

The way Zay describes finding partners is refreshingly local. Talk to people. Ask who has helped their children, their families or their neighbors. Pay attention to the organization that keeps showing up, even if its leader is too busy doing the work to promote it.

He wants that community knowledge to matter in funding decisions. Many of the leaders he describes hold another job while running their nonprofits. FABA aims to support their work without adding a heavy administrative burden. Follow-up conversations still matter: What did the support accomplish? What need remains? What could additional funding make possible?

That approach also puts responsibility on FABA. Zay describes board oversight and regular conversations about the organization’s decisions. He tells a particularly personal story about a donor who preferred to hand over cash: a $20 contribution covering two months of support. He does not know what it took for her to spare that money. He knows he has a responsibility to use it well.

The part of leadership people rarely announce

Zay admits that there was a point when he hoped FABA might quietly fade away. The ambition was big, and the team had overcommitted. Then someone at a professional program asked about the organization after Zay had deliberately left it out of his introduction.

That conversation helped him reconsider. Instead of trying to do everything, the team focused on work it knew it could carry out: raise funds, support organizations already serving their communities, and tell their stories. Starting with a small group of partners gave them room to learn how to manage an investment cycle responsibly.

It is a useful part of the story for anyone who has started something and then wondered whether they were qualified to keep going. Zay’s confidence has grown alongside that willingness to narrow the work, ask questions and accept help.

A book about the people who invested in him

Zay also shares that he has completed a manuscript. Its working title is A Dollar’s Worth of Impact, a callback to a story he told during his earlier Town Square appearance. The title and publication plans are still developing.

He hopes the book will speak to young people trying to lead and to the adults mentoring them. Writing it has meant revisiting family support, the loss of his grandfather, and the people who made room for him in places he had never been before.

The central idea is personal. Zay does not describe his path as proof that he was smarter than everyone around him. He points to the time, attention and opportunities other people gave him. He wants readers to consider what a similar investment might mean for someone else.

Taking Newton County with him

The conversation keeps returning to home. Zay talks about his work in government and community affairs at Georgia State University and the relationships he has built in Atlanta. He also makes clear that success elsewhere does not erase his connection to Newton County.

“I like home,” he says.

He connects that attachment to a question he uses to think about community decisions: “And how are the children?” For Zay, the value of an investment may become clearest years later, when a student who received support has the chance to help someone else.

His invitation is practical. Give if you can. Share the work. Introduce FABA to an organization your community trusts. There are several ways to participate, and the first one may be as simple as starting a conversation.

Watch the full conversation with Zayvion Sheppard:

https://youtu.be/zaKh0YOmQYM

Links Mentioned

For Atlanta. By Atlanta. https://foratlbyatl.org/

The FABA 50. https://foratlbyatl.org/the-faba-50/

Taylor Made Foundation https://taylormadefoundation.org/

East Atlanta Kids Club https://eastatlantakids.org/

The Same House https://www.thesamehouse.org/

Newton Education Foundation https://newtoneducationfoundation.org/

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History Is in the Spirit: Rev. Dr. Terrence Evans on Faith Memory and Civic Life

Town Square Podcast Episode 102 | Faith and Community

Watch the conversation on YouTube: https://youtu.be/73cI1WtGUGg

A church can hold a community’s history in ways that a courthouse file or a history book cannot. St. Paul African Methodist Episcopal Church has served Covington since 1878. Its congregation rebuilt after fires, lived through segregation and integration, helped people register to vote, and carried its ministry from Stone Mountain Street to a larger home on Brown Bridge Road.

In Episode 102 of the Town Square Podcast, Rev. Dr. Terrence Evans joins the Faith and Community series to talk about the life behind that history. His story moves from Opa-locka and Miami to Georgia State basketball, eighteen years serving people experiencing homelessness, a call to ministry, and his 2023 appointment as senior pastor of St. Paul AME Church in Covington.

The conversation also offers a plain-language introduction to the AME tradition: why the denomination was formed, how its structure works, and why worship, memory, social action, and grace remain connected.

The Barbershop Test

Before Evans was a pastor, he was Sherry and Willie’s son, a six-foot-seven basketball player from Opa-locka, Florida, and a young man deciding where a scholarship might take him. He knew Miami. Atlanta was new.

Georgia State began to feel like home almost immediately. Evans arrived without having gotten a haircut, asked his coach for help, and was taken straight to a local barbershop. That ordinary act told him something important: he could find community here.

His years as a Panther also shaped his approach to leadership. Evans remembers one coach as quick and direct and another as deeply relational. The second model is especially visible in his ministry now. He believes leaders should offer clear direction, trust people to use their gifts, receive feedback, and pivot when a better path serves the church and the gospel.

Grace in Action at Jefferson Place

After earning a criminal justice degree with a minor in sociology, Evans considered law enforcement. His mother, a Miami police officer, urged him to remain in Atlanta. A summer youth-employment job opened the door to Fulton County government, and an overnight position at Jefferson Place became an eighteen-year vocation.

Jefferson Place was a transitional housing program located in the former Fulton County jail. Evans began by checking residents in at night and later became a case manager. He watched men complete technical training, build businesses, restore family relationships, and move toward stability. He also witnessed relapse, disappointment, and the painful consequences of rules that could not simply be wished away.

That work changed his understanding of ministry before he had a pulpit. “It helped me to see grace in action,” Evans says. “It helped me to see how it is that there are consequences.” Holding those truths together became part of his pastoral formation: compassion does not erase accountability, and accountability does not cancel a person’s humanity.

A Call and an Immediate Assignment

Evans was raised Baptist and did not grow up expecting to enter ordained ministry. While serving at Jefferson Place, raising three children with his wife, and worshiping in an AME congregation, he began to recognize a persistent call. He entered the AME Board of Examiners process and studied at Turner Theological Seminary at the Interdenominational Theological Center.

The transition from preparation to pastoral responsibility came quickly. In 2010, almost immediately after his ordination as an itinerant deacon, a presiding elder told him about a small church that needed a pastor. His first appointment was St. Paul AME Church in Dallas, Georgia. He later served Greater Ward Chapel AME Church in Columbus before being appointed to St. Paul in Covington in June 2023.

There is a fitting symmetry in beginning and continuing his pastoral work at congregations named St. Paul. There is also a consistent thread: Evans’ ministry grew from service, relationships, and the belief that God was already present in places he had not expected to go.

What African Methodist Episcopal Means

For listeners who have seen the initials without knowing the distinctions, Evans breaks the name into three parts. African points to a church founded by people of African descent. Methodist identifies its Wesleyan theological roots and disciplined approach to Christian life. Episcopal describes a structure of governance led by bishops, with pastors appointed to congregations and layers of accountability that extend from the local church to the denomination’s General Conference.

Evans describes a connectional church rather than a collection of independent congregations. St. Paul belongs to the East District of the Atlanta North Georgia Annual Conference, within the Sixth Episcopal District. Local church conferences, quarterly conferences, district and annual conferences, and the denomination’s quadrennial General Conference each have a role.

The structure can sound complicated from the outside. Evans sees strength in its checks, relationships, shared doctrine, and wider mission. The local congregation is rooted in Covington, but it belongs to an international church.

A Church Born from Worship and Protest

The AME story begins with the Free African Society, organized in Philadelphia in 1787 by Richard Allen, Absalom Jones, and others. After Black worshipers at St. George’s Methodist Episcopal Church faced racial discrimination, Allen and others pursued a place where people of African descent could worship freely and serve one another fully. Allen established Bethel in 1794, and in 1816 representatives of Black Methodist congregations formed the African Methodist Episcopal Church.

Evans emphasizes that this history is not only denominational history. It is American history. The church grew from a refusal to accept dehumanization inside Christian worship and from a commitment to mutual aid, religious autonomy, and the full dignity of Black people.

That founding story still asks something of the church. Evans argues that remembering injustice is not an exercise in resentment. It is a way to understand the cost of progress, honor those who endured and resisted, and recover the church’s responsibility to serve people whose dignity is still challenged.

St. Paul Carries Its History Forward

St. Paul’s own story reflects that resilience. Founded in Covington in 1878, the congregation rebuilt after multiple fires and continued serving across generations. Its history includes voter registration and civil rights work, and that legacy now lives through its Social Action Ministry.

The congregation hosts a polling place, organized a candidate forum, and works with community partners to help new voters understand the political process and identify the offices and people on their ballots. Evans is careful about the distinction: this is nonpartisan participation, not an instruction about whom to support.

The point is access and responsibility. Local elections can be decided by a handful of votes, while many residents do not know who represents them or how local offices affect daily life. For St. Paul, encouraging informed participation is connected to the sacrifices of people who fought for voting rights.

When the congregation moved from its historic site to Brown Bridge Road, some members worried about leaving physical history behind. Evans offers a line that captures the transition: “History is not in the walls. History is in the spirit.” A larger campus did not discard the story. It gave that story more room to continue.

What a Sunday at St. Paul Feels Like

Evans describes St. Paul as a congregation where a visitor should feel like family. The service follows a recognizable AME order that includes the doxology, prayer, Scripture, music, and preaching. First Sundays lean more traditional, with hymns that carry theology and memory across generations. Contemporary music has a place too.

Evans calls himself a teacher and storyteller more than a “whooper,” though he acknowledges that the energy can rise. He often works from the lectionary and has also begun preaching in series. Preparation matters, but so does listening. He describes preaching as a collective moment shaped not only by the person in the pulpit but by the congregation’s response, silence, faces, and later conversations.

Sunday school begins at 9:30 a.m., and worship begins at 11 a.m., as stated in the episode. St. Paul AME Church is located at 13108 Brown Bridge Road in Covington. Visitors can learn more at https://www.stpaulamecov.org.

A God Who Is Available

Asked what he would say if all of Newton County and the surrounding community were listening, Evans returns to grace: “We have a God that is available.” He means available in success and disappointment, trauma and healing, clarity and uncertainty.

His own path gives the statement weight. The young athlete did not know he would become a pastor. The county employee did not know that overnight work in a transitional housing program would become ministry. The newly ordained deacon did not know a pastoral appointment was waiting before he left the building.

Faith, in Evans’ telling, is not an escape from community life. It is a reason to enter it with humility, memory, service, and hope. St. Paul’s history belongs to Covington, but its work is happening now, in worship, voter education, hospitality, and the ordinary relationships through which a community learns to see one another more fully.

Links Mentioned

Watch Episode 102 on YouTube: https://youtu.be/73cI1WtGUGg

St. Paul AME Church in Covington: https://www.stpaulamecov.org

St. Paul AME Church history and pastor biography: https://www.stpaulamecov.org/about-us

African Methodist Episcopal Church history: https://www.ame-church.com/our-church/our-history/

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The Cost of Staying Home: Clint Crowe on Property Taxes Housing and Data Centers

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For many homeowners, affordability is no longer an abstract campaign issue. It is the tax bill on a house they have owned for decades, the price of a starter home their children cannot afford, and the argument over whether new development will ease the pressure or create new costs.

Representative Clint Crowe brings several perspectives to that conversation. He represents Georgia House District 118, chairs the House Public Safety and Homeland Security Committee, serves on Ways and Means and four other committees, and has worked in law enforcement and real estate. In Episode 101 of the Town Square Podcast, he explains how those experiences shape his approach to taxes, housing, data centers, and the work of representing a district that includes parts of Newton, Butts, and Monroe counties.

This Candidate Conversations episode presents Crowe’s record and positions in his own words as voters prepare for the November election.

A Career Built Across Public Safety and Real Estate

Crowe was first elected in 2020 and took office in 2021. Before entering the legislature, he volunteered with a fire department, worked as a 911 dispatcher, served in law enforcement, and built a real estate company with his family. He describes those jobs as different versions of the same work: dealing with people, solving problems, and trying to find an outcome that competing sides can accept.

His family story also informs the way he talks about public service. Crowe and his wife, Kristie, raised two sons and later adopted a great-niece and great-nephew who came to live with them as very young children. He says his decisions at the Capitol affect his own children and grandchildren along with the rest of the district.

Why Legislation Moves Slowly

Crowe offers a practical explanation of a process that often looks needlessly slow from the outside. A House bill may pass through subcommittee hearings, a full committee vote, the Rules Committee, and the House floor before beginning a similar path in the Senate. Tax referendums and some other measures require a two-thirds House vote rather than a simple majority.

He argues that the friction is intentional because state policy must work across communities that differ sharply in population, tax base, and public-service needs. Crowe says committee hearings are among his favorite parts of the job because local officials and residents can explain how a proposal would affect them before lawmakers vote.

The Property Tax Question

The longest policy discussion begins with residents who fear being priced out of homes they already own. Crowe says he has heard from seniors on fixed incomes who cannot keep up with rising property-tax bills. His guiding view is that a primary residence should eventually become secure from that pressure. In his words, a homeowner should not have to “continuously rent that from the government for your entire life.”

Crowe discusses House Bills 581 and 92, including the effort to limit increases in taxable value through a floating homestead exemption. He also describes a proposal that did not pass in the most recent session: replacing property taxes on homesteaded homes with revenue from an additional one-cent sales tax and other funding sources.

He acknowledges the central tradeoff. Local governments and school systems depend on property-tax revenue, and a sales tax spreads costs to renters and consumers as well as homeowners. Crowe argues that visitors would pay part of the sales tax, while communities with weaker retail activity would need another way to replace lost revenue. The episode does not pretend that the arithmetic is simple.

Housing Costs Begin Before Construction

Crowe also connects affordability to the shortage of homes within reach of first-time buyers and public-safety employees. Drawing on his real estate background, he says permitting delays, minimum square-footage rules, low-density requirements, infrastructure costs, and limited housing supply all raise the final price paid by a buyer.

He supports local planning and zoning, but questions rules that prevent smaller or less expensive homes even when they meet accepted safety standards. His concern is that every delay and development cost eventually appears in the home’s sale price. The policy tension is familiar: communities want control over growth, while the same restrictions can narrow the supply of attainable housing.

Data Centers and Local Control

The conversation then moves into one of Newton County’s most contentious subjects. Crowe opposes broad moratoriums on data centers and believes local comprehensive plans should determine where major industrial uses belong. He points to Stanton Springs as an example of placing a data center inside an established technology and industrial area rather than near homes.

Crowe frames data centers as infrastructure tied to artificial intelligence, economic competition, and national security. He also recognizes the concerns that residents raise about electricity, water, noise, tax incentives, and the number of permanent jobs. He argues that large users should pay for the infrastructure their projects require and that local governments must use new revenue in ways that benefit their residents.

Several statements in this part of the interview, including Crowe’s claims about foreign misinformation and water-use patterns, are his assessments as presented in the episode. His broader position is clear: he favors case-by-case local decisions, careful siting, and financial safeguards rather than a statewide stop.

Showing Up as the Measure of Representation

When asked why voters should return him to office, Crowe emphasizes responsiveness. He recounts a conversation with a Democrat who disagreed with him on several issues but voted for him because, as the voter put it, “I know you show up.” Crowe says he wants residents to judge him by his positions and his accessibility rather than by the party label alone.

That answer fits the larger conversation. Crowe does not claim that every policy problem has an easy fix. He argues instead that experience, access, and a willingness to explain a vote matter when the issues involve competing taxpayers, local governments, schools, businesses, and neighborhoods.

Episode 101 gives District 118 voters a sustained look at how Crowe reaches those judgments. The purpose of Candidate Conversations is to let voters hear that reasoning directly and decide how well it matches their own priorities.

Links Mentioned

Watch Episode 101 on YouTube: https://youtu.be/XjBIapdxdqI

Georgia General Assembly member directory: https://www.legis.ga.gov/members/house/5002

Crowe for Georgia: https://croweforgeorgia.com/

Georgia General Assembly legislation search: https://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/all

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Episode 100: From Furious to Curious with Kamal Carter of A Long Talk

One hundred episodes ago, The Town Square Podcast began with a simple conviction: people who see the world differently should still be able to sit together, ask honest questions and search for understanding. We call it “unity, not uniformity.” For our 100th episode, we found a guest whose life’s work feels almost tailor-made for that mission.

Kamal Carter is the president and co-creator of A Long Talk About the Uncomfortable Truth, an organization that helps people interrupt ignorance and bigotry in real time. Its work reaches locker rooms, boardrooms, schools, churches and other places where people with different histories and perspectives must learn to function as a team.

That made Carter more than a fitting guest for this milestone. It made him the perfect one.

Two Dads Who Wanted Something Better

A Long Talk did not begin as a polished national initiative. It began during the pandemic with Carter and his business partner, Kyle Williams—two former educators and two fathers who wanted a safer, more humane world for their children.

Carter traces his instinct for service even further back. One of his grandfathers was a Tuskegee Airman who modeled excellence, discipline and responsibility while also carrying the pain of being treated as less than after serving his country. That family history taught Carter that achievement should be joined to service and that each of us can choose to leave the world better than we found it.

The immediate spark for A Long Talk came after one of Williams’ sons attended a protest in Washington, D.C. An accusatory exchange with a college basketball teammate escalated through text messages and FaceTime. Williams contacted the coach, expecting to talk the next day. Instead, the coach called that night—and listened.

That conversation changed the temperature. The coach asked for resources, began taking action on his campus and helped prove that a difficult exchange did not have to end in injury or estrangement. Within six weeks, Carter and Williams were helping convene a conversation with 107 college basketball coaches. What started with one father, one coach and one hurting student began spreading across athletics, education and corporate life.

Information + Empathy = Action

Carter describes the A Long Talk formula plainly: “information plus empathy equals action.” The goal is not to drag everyone to the same opinion. It is to create an environment where people can speak honestly, listen carefully and respond to harmful statements without either freezing or exploding.

That distinction matters. A conversation leaves room for questions, reflection and boundaries. A confrontation becomes a contest to win. Carter argues that people retain the right to their beliefs, but organizations also have the right—and responsibility—to establish what conduct belongs in their locker room, workplace, church or civic space.

The work begins with grace and what Carter calls “progress over perfection.” If people fear that one awkward phrase will get them banished, honest conversation becomes nearly impossible. But grace is not passivity. A Long Talk trains people to step in when language is harmful and to replace an instinctive blast of anger with disciplined curiosity.

Go From Furious to Curious

When an inflammatory statement lands, most people do one of two things: freeze or react at full force. Carter offers another option—go from furious to curious. That does not require pretending the statement was harmless. It means regulating the first reaction long enough to understand what was said, why it was said and whether the speaker has ever seriously examined it.

Curiosity can also change who carries the burden of responding. If a sexist comment is made in a room where only one woman holds leadership, why should everyone look to her to challenge it? A colleague can intervene. A teammate can ask the question. A bystander can become an active participant in protecting the culture.

Carter calls critical thinking “kryptonite to ignorance.” It forces a careless generalization into the light, where the person who made it must explain, reconsider or openly own it.

CPR for a Difficult Conversation

The practical tool A Long Talk teaches is CPR: clarify, probe and redirect.

Clarify begins with a deceptively simple question: “What do you mean when you say…?” The key is to repeat the person’s actual words and then remain quiet. Rather than supplying the accusation and the verdict, the listener gives the speaker room—and responsibility—to explain.

Probe moves deeper. A question such as “How do you think that would make your mother, sister or teammate feel?” invites the person to consider impact, not merely intent. Redirect then asks what language or action would support the people affected and the values the group claims to share.

Like any skill, CPR requires practice. Carter tells participants to expect mistakes, extend grace and build new conversational muscle memory through repetition.

We Put CPR to the Test

This episode does more than describe the method. Carter coaches Trey and Gabriel through a hypothetical claim that “everybody in Newton County is racist.” By returning the exact words, asking questions and testing the sweeping logic against real relationships, the exercise demonstrates how curiosity can expose the weakness in a generalization without dismissing the pain that may sit underneath it.

It is uncomfortable work. That is the point. Carter reminds us that the aim is not perfection on the first try; it is becoming ready to respond well when the real moment arrives.

Why This Conversation Belongs in Episode 100

For 100 episodes, The Town Square Podcast has tried to make room for the messy middle: a place where disagreement does not require dehumanization and unity does not require uniformity. A Long Talk is pursuing that same hope through training, role-play and a growing community of people prepared to interrupt harm.

Carter says it may take only one or two brave people in a room to begin changing its culture. That is both a challenge and an encouragement. We do not have to wait for a president, a movement or a massive national campaign. We can begin at a dinner table, in a team meeting, at church, on a school board—or behind a podcast microphone.

One hundred episodes in, that still sounds like work worth doing.

Links Mentioned

Watch Episode 100 on YouTube: https://youtu.be/XjBIapdxdqI

A Long Talk: https://alongtalk.com

A Long Talk resources and CPR Protocol Study Guide: https://alongtalk.com/resources

A Long Talk on social media: https://www.instagram.com/alongtalk2020/ — @alongtalk2020

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A church can add square footage without building community. It can fill seats without helping people feel seen. And it can say “everyone’s welcome” without ever proving it at the door.

Pastor Justin Adams believes the proof comes in what happens after people arrive.

In Episode 99 of the Town Square Podcast, Trey Bailey and Gabriel Stovall welcome Adams back for a candid conversation about the growth of NEW LIFE Praise Center, his own recovery story, the church’s non-denominational identity and a ministry philosophy rooted in a simple promise: “Everyone’s welcome—and we mean it.”

A Foyer Built for More Than Foot Traffic

When Adams sums up the past few years at NEW LIFE, he uses one word: growth. The church began the year with “expansion” as a theme, then watched it become something tangible. A new 3,200-square-foot, glass-walled foyer—built with help from local contractors who donated time and materials—gave the congregation a place to gather before and after services.

The addition matters to Adams because the life of a church is not confined to the service itself. He describes families lingering, conversations continuing and a room full of noise and laughter. In church language, it is fellowship. In everyday language, it is people who genuinely want to be together.

The Testimony Behind the Welcome

Adams has lived in Covington for nearly 30 years, but his path to ministry was not tidy. He speaks openly about addiction in his late teens and twenties, a marriage in danger of falling apart and attempts at jail, rehabilitation, therapy and counseling that did not produce lasting change. Then, nearly 20 years ago, he accepted an invitation to church.

He says one encounter with Jesus changed the direction of his life. He has remained sober since, and that experience shapes the way he talks to people who wonder whether their own story is too broken to be redeemed: “If he’d done it for me, he can do it for you.”

That transparency is not a side note to Adams’s ministry. It is central to it. His testimony gives him a common language with people facing addiction, anger, depression, family strain or shame. The point is not to compare wounds. It is to show that grace is not an abstract doctrine—it can meet a person in real life.

Rooted in Scripture, Open About the Questions

NEW LIFE Praise Center is non-denominational, which Adams explains plainly: the church is not affiliated with a larger denominational organization. Its teaching centers on Scripture, Jesus Christ, salvation by grace through faith and a strong belief in the work of the Holy Spirit.

That commitment shows up in the pace of the church’s teaching. The congregation spent two years studying the Gospel of John verse by verse. At the time of the conversation, Adams was nine weeks into the first chapter of Revelation—an intentionally careful approach to a book often reduced to confident timelines and conspiracy theories.

Adams is willing to tell people where he lands, but he also presents interpretations held by different scholars and theologians. His non-negotiable is the center of the book itself: the revelation of Jesus Christ, written to encourage believers facing persecution.

What “Everyone’s Welcome” Looks Like

At NEW LIFE, the welcome is meant to be literal. Adams says people may walk through the doors whether they are atheists, longtime Christians or somewhere in between—regardless of culture, class, race, creed or sexuality. They can sit, listen, sing and expect someone to greet them with kindness.

That does not mean the church avoids convictions or difficult conversations. It means belonging in the room is not reserved for people who already have everything together. Adams connects that culture directly to his own story: he was once the person who arrived at church carrying the visible aftermath of addiction, and someone welcomed him anyway.

The church also does not use formal membership. Instead, it offers Next Steps classes for people who want to understand its history, beliefs and practices, along with Faith Grounded classes for newer believers. Small groups, age-based Life Teams and serving teams create paths for relationships and discipleship across generations.

Preparing People to Go Back Out

For Adams, church is not the finish line. It is where people are prepared to serve beyond the building.

He says NEW LIFE partners with several public schools in a typical year. The church has helped stock clothing, hygiene supplies and food at Porterdale Elementary School; supported teacher-attendance incentives; and, by invitation, Adams has led voluntary Bible studies for teachers at Cousins Middle School before the school day begins. The congregation also supports recovery ministries, collects food for local pantries and sends groups to help with community outreach.

Its reach has expanded beyond Newton County as well. Adams describes a developing missions partnership in Honduras, with church-supported volunteers serving wherever the need may be—food distribution, dentistry, health care, teaching or construction.

Healthy Growth Over Growth for Its Own Sake

Asked what comes next—another service, a larger building or multiple campuses—Adams gives an answer leaders do not always like to give: he does not know.

What he does know is that bigger is not the ultimate goal. Healthy is. He wants believers to mature from spiritual newborns into people who help form other disciples: “Parents reproduce.” In his telling, the next frontier is strengthening families, raising leaders, reaching the next generation and building beyond the current congregation.

The buildings and schedules may change. The mission does not: help people find hope, healing, community and Jesus.

That is also why this conversation matters beyond one congregation. In a community where faith traditions often overlap—and sometimes collide—it helps to hear a pastor explain not only what his church believes, but how those beliefs shape its welcome, teaching, service and vision for the future.

As the hosts put it near the end of the episode, you do not really know until you go. And Pastor Justin will probably wave when you walk in.

Links Mentioned

NEW LIFE Praise Center — https://newlifepraisecenter.net/

NEW LIFE Praise Center address: 8111 Brown Bridge Road, Covington, GA 30014

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A Newton County Life Takes a New Turn

Chris Haymore has spent most of his life in Newton County. His father returned here to teach and coach when Chris was six months old, and Chris later built his own career in local education: teaching and coaching at Rutledge Academy and Eastside, serving as an administrator at Alcovy, and finishing as principal at Mansfield Elementary.

Now the longtime educator is taking on a different kind of leadership assignment. As pastor of Wesley Methodist Church of Covington, Haymore is helping plant a congregation, guide its worship and discipleship, and prepare for a permanent home of its own.

The transition is not as unrelated as it may look. Haymore says both roles begin with people: listening, treating others with respect, managing competing expectations, and accepting that leadership sometimes means disappointing someone. The schoolhouse and the sanctuary require different skills, but both call for patience, preparation, and genuine care.

A Walk-On’s Lesson in Preparation

Before the administrative offices and the pulpit, there was Sanford Stadium. Haymore walked on at the University of Georgia and practiced for two years under Vince Dooley. He is quick to downplay the resume line, but he still ran between the hedges in silver britches and shared the field with names such as Tim Worley, Keith Anderson, Rodney Hampton, and Bill Goldberg.

The lasting lesson came from scout-team work. Haymore watched how practices were organized, how drills were timed, and how coaches made limited time count. “It’s not about quantity. It’s about quality,” he says. That same instinct for preparation followed him into coaching, education, and now ministry.

What Makes Global Methodism Distinct?

Wesley Methodist is part of the Global Methodist Church, a newer denomination rooted in the historic Methodist tradition. Haymore describes it as holding a more conservative, traditional understanding of Scripture while retaining familiar Methodist doctrine and worship. The conversation is careful not to caricature the United Methodist Church or other Christian traditions; the goal is to explain what Wesley Methodist believes and how those convictions are practiced locally.

At the center is the Wesleyan understanding of grace. Haymore discusses prevenient grace - God at work before a person recognizes it - along with convincing, sanctifying, and glorifying grace. He also explains John Wesley’s emphasis on Christian perfection, not as flawless performance, but as a life being made perfect in love through the work of the Holy Spirit.

That emphasis moves faith beyond a single decision. Methodist discipleship historically involves formation, accountability, Scripture, prayer, and service. Haymore points to the small groups and “bands” associated with the Wesleyan tradition. At Wesley Methodist, that takes practical form through Disciple Bible Study, a Tuesday group that studied the Global Methodist catechism and planned to move into Acts, and a developing men’s Bible study centered simply on the Gospel of John.

Sacraments, Scripture, and the Shape of Worship

Wesley Methodist recognizes two sacraments: baptism and Holy Communion. The congregation baptizes infants as well as older believers, connecting the practice to covenant, the household baptisms described in Scripture, and the belief that God’s grace is already at work. Communion is ordinarily celebrated monthly, even though Haymore notes that John Wesley encouraged Christians to receive it frequently.

Sunday worship follows a recognizable Methodist rhythm: a call to worship, prayer, hymns, the Apostles’ Creed, pastoral prayer, Scripture, preaching, offering, and a closing hymn. The music is blended, with traditional Methodist hymns joined by soloists, an ensemble, piano, and guitar. Haymore often begins with the lectionary, which places Old Testament, Psalm, Epistle, and Gospel readings before the church across a three-year cycle. He does not follow it mechanically, but appreciates that it “forces you to do the hard ones” instead of allowing a preacher to remain only with favorite passages.

A Sweet Spirit in a School Gym

For now, the congregation worships in the gym at Peachtree Academy. Sunday school begins at 9:45 a.m., and worship begins at 11. Visitors are met at the door, people gather and talk, chairs fill the gym floor, and a loyal “peanut gallery” claims the bleachers in back.

Haymore describes the atmosphere with a phrase the congregation uses often: “There’s a sweet, sweet spirit in this place.” That warmth is more important than a dress code. Some worshipers wear coats and ties; others come in shorts. Haymore’s priority is straightforward: “I just want to get them in there.”

Children’s and youth ministry are also part of the church’s developing life. In the episode, Haymore discusses bringing Champ Young - an Eastside High School assistant principal and athletic director - into youth leadership, joining two familiar Newton County worlds: church, school, and coaching.

A Church Building Written With Scripture

Wesley Methodist is also constructing a permanent home on roughly 30 acres purchased from the Callaway family. Haymore describes a 10,000-square-foot building with a 300-seat sanctuary, a steeple, stone and exposed wood details, an altar, a raised pulpit, a communion rail, and a kneeling bench. The property also includes a pond and an old cabin that the congregation hopes to put to use.

Before the walls closed, members wrote Scripture passages and prayers on the building’s beams. Leaders even carried a smaller beam to members who could not attend, giving them the opportunity to add their own words. The symbolism is hard to miss: the new church is literally being built around Scripture and prayer.

At the time of recording, the congregation hoped to be in the building by Christmas, while acknowledging the uncertainty that accompanies any construction schedule. Until then, the church is already doing what Haymore believes a church should do: growing as a family, serving its neighbors, making disciples, and working to further God’s kingdom.

Why This Conversation Matters

The Faith and Community series is not an exercise in ranking denominations. It is an invitation to understand the convictions, practices, and people behind the church signs scattered across Newton County. In this episode, Global Methodism becomes less of an institutional headline and more of a lived local expression: grace that transforms, discipleship with accountability, worship rooted in Scripture and sacrament, and a church family making room for newcomers - even if they arrive at 11:05 and head straight for the bleachers.

Links Mentioned

·    Watch Episode 98 on YouTube

·    Wesley Methodist Church of Covington

·    Global Methodist Church

·    Global Methodist Church beliefs and governance

·    Catechism for the Global Methodist Church

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Politically Homeless, Still Hopeful

Marshall McCart returns to The Town Square Podcast for a candid trip through political burnout, public surveillance, permanent standard time, Covington music history, and the stubborn hope that keeps him from hanging up his boots for good.

Marshall McCart has spent roughly 25 years kicking at political anthills.

Sometimes the ants bite back.

On Episode 97 of The Town Square Podcast, the writer and local-history enthusiast behind The Piedmont Chronicles returns nearly a year after his first appearance. The self-described “semi-professional anthill kicker” arrives with fewer political sparks flying than usual—but not because he has stopped paying attention.

He is tired.

After years of party politics, grassroots advocacy, citizen journalism, and public argument, Marshall has pulled back to ask a difficult question: after all that banging against the proverbial brick wall, what is there to show for it?

That question opens a wide-ranging conversation about public trust, political identity, technology, music, family, local memory, and the possibility that the sensible center is larger than the loudest voices make it appear.

When political engagement becomes political exhaustion

Marshall traces his civic involvement through the Libertarian Party, the GOP, independent efforts, grassroots groups, and his work with The Piedmont Chronicles. He has not stopped caring about local issues, but he has deliberately unplugged from some of the daily political combat.

Part of that fatigue, he says, comes from feeling politically homeless. He does not recognize himself in the loudest parts of the MAGA movement, and he has no interest in the socialist wing of the Democratic Party. If those are the only choices being offered, he argues, a great many people are being left without a political home.

That is where the Town Square idea of the “messy middle” comes in.

Marshall’s sharpest political observation may also be the episode’s most hopeful: the opposing fringes can dominate attention without representing most people. “The messy middle is the majority,” he says. The challenge is getting that majority to stop treating exhaustion as surrender—and to start building relationships broad enough to matter.

Flock cameras and the price of security

The conversation turns local when Trey and Marshall discuss automated license plate readers, including the Flock camera systems now familiar along roads, near schools, and across multiple jurisdictions.

Both acknowledge the strongest argument for the technology: it can help law enforcement locate wanted vehicles, develop leads, protect campuses, and solve serious crimes. Marshall does not wave those benefits away. His concern is what happens when a powerful tool built for a legitimate purpose becomes part of a much larger surveillance network.

The question is not whether the cameras can be useful. It is whether usefulness alone should settle the debate.

Marshall argues that privacy and Fourth Amendment concerns deserve more than a shrug—especially when ordinary people who are suspected of no crime have their vehicle movements captured and made searchable. Trey wrestles with the same tradeoff from the perspective of school safety: a little more warning can matter enormously, but that does not erase the civil-liberties question.

Their practical conclusion is refreshingly unglamorous. If residents object, the answer is not vandalism. It is coalition-building, public comment, and votes before city councils and county commissions when contracts come up for approval or renewal.

A surprisingly serious argument about the clock

Marshall has another long-running civic cause: ending the twice-yearly time change.

But he is not campaigning for permanent daylight saving time. He wants permanent standard time—what he calls natural time.

His case begins with winter mornings. In the western portion of a time zone, permanent daylight saving time can push sunrise uncomfortably late. He also points to the disruption people experience when clocks spring forward and fall back. His preferred answer is not to keep rearranging the clock, but to return to standard time year-round.

Trey gives him room to make the full argument, and Marshall brings the enthusiasm of a man who has apparently been waiting 15 years for somebody to ask.

Rock and roll is not dead

Then the episode changes key.

Marshall is a lifelong musician whose musical Mount Rushmore begins with Led Zeppelin and Steely Dan. He and Trey trade favorite records, marvel at John Bonham’s impossible-sounding right foot, and swap stories about the strange studio tricks producers use to capture the right tone.

The conversation becomes a piece of Covington and Newton County music history. Marshall remembers a spring 1996 show at the Wiley farm in North Oxford, where his band Southern Freight shared the bill with Trey’s Rocketboy. There was a homemade stage, a natural amphitheater, hundreds of people, and—if memory serves—a bass player in a dress. The statute of limitations has probably expired.

They name-check musicians, bands, old venues, and friendships that formed a local scene: Sweet Harmony, Fox Hill Road, Chris, Jon and Scott, Hannah Thomas, Thomas Tillman, Corey Crowder, Drew Parker, and others. Marshall also sends listeners toward King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard and Black Pumas, while Trey makes the case for the Appalachian rock of Cigarettes @ Sunset.

The thread running through it all is not nostalgia for nostalgia’s sake. It is the way music preserves a community’s memory. A farm show, a Christmas-light rivalry, a set at a local pub, or a band that lasted only a season can still become part of the story a town tells about itself.

Homeownership, the economy, and the American promise

Because Marshall also works in real estate and real estate education, the conversation eventually returns to economics. He describes the Covington, Newton County, and East Metro market as location-dependent and generally steady, while noting that values and sales activity can vary sharply by property and neighborhood.

The larger discussion is less about a market forecast than about ownership itself. Trey wonders what happens when younger adults are told to believe in the American dream but cannot see a realistic path to owning a home or building a stake in the system. Marshall connects that frustration to a political economy dominated less by open competition than by alliances among big government, big business, and other concentrated interests.

Whether listeners share every part of that diagnosis or not, the underlying concern is worth hearing: people invest in a system when they believe they can belong to it.

The reason he has not quit

Near the end, Trey asks Marshall what gives him hope.

Marshall pauses, then comes back to faith and people.

“I believe in people,” he says. There are bad actors, certainly, but there are also a great many people who care about their neighbors and want life to be better for their children. The world will never be perfect, but that does not excuse us from trying to improve the piece of it within reach.

Marshall says he will get back into the fray at some point. For now, the anthill kicker is catching his breath, listening to a little Zeppelin, and waiting for the right moment to lace up the boots again.

That may be the messy middle in its most honest form: tired, skeptical, occasionally cranky—and not quite ready to give up.

Links Mentioned

1.   Watch Episode 97 on YouTube: https://youtu.be/NYvszSlLlKk

2.   The Piedmont Chronicles: https://www.thepiedmontchronicles.com/

3.   The Town Square Podcast: https://www.thetownsquarepodcast.com/

4.   Support The Town Square Podcast: https://www.thetownsquarepodcast.com/donate

5.   Flock Safety license plate readers: https://www.flocksafety.com/products/license-plate-readers

6.   Fox Hill Road: https://www.foxhillroad.com/

7.   Cigarettes @ Sunset: https://www.cigarettesatsunset.com/

8.   King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard: https://kinggizzardandthelizardwizard.com/

9.   Black Pumas: https://www.blackpumas.com/

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Data Centers, School Budgets & Speaking Your Mind with Larry Cox

One of the greatest challenges facing local communities today isn't a lack of information—it's determining which information to trust.

That theme surfaced repeatedly during Episode 96 of The Town Square Podcast as Rockdale County Board of Education member Larry Cox joined Trey Bailey and guest co-host Dr. Gregory Brown for a wide-ranging discussion about public education, school funding, and one of Georgia's hottest local government topics: data centers.

Known throughout Rockdale County for his "Speak Your Mind" podcast, Cox has built a reputation for saying exactly what he thinks. Whether listeners agree with him or not, one thing is certain—he rarely leaves anyone wondering where he stands.

But this conversation wasn't simply about opinions.

It was about understanding how decisions are made and why good public policy requires more than headlines and social media posts.

From Construction to Community Leadership

Before entering public office, Larry Cox spent more than three decades in the construction industry, serving as Vice President of the highway division for one of the Southeast's leading concrete cutting companies.

His work has taken him across airports, military installations, and major interstate projects throughout the Southeast. That background shaped the way he approaches government.

Rather than viewing public service through an ideological lens, Cox says he tends to approach problems the same way he approaches construction projects: identify the issue, gather the facts, and solve the problem.

That practical mindset eventually led him to seek public office after years of community involvement.

A Different Kind of Campaign

When Larry Cox first ran for the Rockdale County Board of Education, he wasn't well known.

His second campaign was very different.

Rather than avoiding controversial issues, Cox openly campaigned on changing district leadership, reducing spending, restoring classroom discipline, increasing transparency, and pursuing additional tax relief for senior citizens.

According to Cox, voters weren't looking for vague promises.

They were looking for someone willing to explain exactly what he intended to do.

Now, roughly halfway through his first term, he believes much of that campaign agenda has already begun taking shape.

School Boards: What They Actually Do

One of the most helpful portions of the conversation focused on a question many citizens misunderstand:

What does a school board actually do?

Cox explained that while many residents expect school board members to solve day-to-day operational issues, Georgia law assigns boards three primary responsibilities:

• Hiring and evaluating the superintendent
• Fiscal oversight of the district
• Establishing board policy

Everything else is largely delegated to district administration.

That distinction matters because many of the complaints school board members receive are actually operational concerns rather than governance issues.

Understanding that difference helps citizens better direct their questions and expectations.

School Budgets Are More Than Numbers

The conversation then shifted toward one of Trey Bailey's favorite themes—viewing a school budget as a moral document.

Every budget reflects priorities.

Every dollar spent communicates what a district values.

But budgets also represent something else: the burden placed on taxpayers who fund those priorities.

Larry Cox argued that districts must consider not only what happens inside the classroom but also the financial realities families face outside school.

He challenged listeners to think about the "whole child" differently.

While educators often define the whole child through academic, emotional, and social support, Cox suggested another perspective.

Children spend far more time outside school than inside it.

If excessive taxes make it harder for grandparents to buy medicine or families to afford housing, those financial pressures ultimately affect students as well.

For Cox, stewardship means balancing educational investment with community affordability.

Why School Funding Is So Complicated

The discussion naturally moved into Georgia's school funding formula.

School districts receive much of their funding through the state's Quality Basic Education (QBE) formula, but local property taxes remain a critical piece of the equation.

That creates challenges.

Enrollment shifts.

Healthcare mandates increase costs.

Retirement obligations grow.

Meanwhile, districts often have little control over many of those expenses.

Cox described how Rockdale County reduced its operating budget while simultaneously absorbing state-mandated cost increases—a reminder that reducing spending on paper often requires significantly larger internal cuts.

The conversation also explored the long-term sustainability of relying so heavily on property taxes to fund public education.

Both hosts agreed that conversations at the Georgia Capitol will likely continue for years as lawmakers search for more sustainable funding models.

Finding the Next Superintendent

Another timely topic involved Rockdale County's search for its next superintendent.

Rather than discussing specific candidates, Cox shared the qualities he believes matter most.

He wanted someone with demonstrated success—not simply theories or promises.

He wanted a leader who understood fiscal responsibility.

And perhaps most importantly, he wanted someone prepared to make difficult decisions if enrollment declines eventually require districts to redraw attendance zones or repurpose school facilities.

Those aren't easy conversations.

But leadership often requires preparing for tomorrow's challenges rather than reacting to yesterday's problems.

(At the time of airing this episode, Dr. Stephanie Johnson has been named the new superintendent of Rockdale County Schools, click HERE for the press release.)

The Data Center Debate

The second half of the episode focused on one of the fastest-growing issues facing communities across Georgia.

Data centers.

As artificial intelligence continues expanding, demand for large-scale computing facilities has exploded.

With that growth has come concern.

Residents worry about water usage.

Electricity demand.

Noise.

Environmental impacts.

Tax incentives.

Infrastructure.

Rather than relying on internet searches or social media discussions, Larry Cox spent weeks interviewing mechanical engineers, acoustic engineers, and leaders from Georgia's Public Service Commission.

His goal wasn't to convince people.

His goal was to understand the facts.

Those interviews challenged several assumptions he previously held.

According to experts featured in his series, modern data centers increasingly rely on closed-loop or waterless cooling systems that dramatically reduce ongoing water consumption.

Infrastructure costs, Cox noted, are generally paid upfront by developers rather than existing ratepayers.

Georgia's electrical grid, according to Public Service Commission leadership, is being expanded alongside this growth rather than after it.

While public debate often centers on potential risks, Cox argues communities should also carefully evaluate economic opportunities—including expanded commercial tax bases that could eventually reduce the tax burden on homeowners.

He also acknowledged that earlier generations of data centers created many of the concerns still circulating today.

Technology, however, continues to evolve rapidly.

Separating Facts from Fear

Perhaps the most important takeaway from Episode 96 had nothing to do with school budgets or data centers.

It had to do with information.

Throughout the discussion, the hosts repeatedly encouraged listeners not to settle for headlines or viral posts.

Instead, they urged citizens to attend meetings.

Ask questions.

Read source documents.

Listen to experts.

Evaluate competing claims.

Only then can communities make informed decisions about issues that will shape their future.

In an era where information is abundant but trust is scarce, thoughtful civic engagement remains one of the most valuable tools citizens possess.

Final Thoughts

Episode 96 reminds us that healthy communities require more than strong opinions.

They require strong conversations.

Whether discussing public education, taxation, or emerging technologies, lasting solutions are usually found somewhere in the messy middle.

That has always been the mission of The Town Square Podcast.

Not uniformity.

But unity.

Built one conversation at a time.

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Candidate Conversations — Episode 95 of The Town Square Podcast

Georgia’s 13th Congressional District is holding a political sprint. After the death of longtime Congressman David Scott, the state scheduled a July 28 special election to fill the remainder of his term. There is no party primary: Democrats and Republicans appear together on what Fayth Park calls a “jungle-style ballot,” and a runoff follows if no candidate wins a majority.

It is a compressed job interview for a seat representing communities across Clayton, DeKalb, Henry, Gwinnett, Rockdale and Newton counties. In Episode 95, Park joins Trey Bailey—Gabriel Stovall was away following a death in his family—to explain why she entered the race and what she would try to accomplish during the short term.

A blue-collar childhood and a wrestler’s path to Georgia

Park grew up as the youngest of four in a blended, blue-collar California family. Her father worked as a mechanic before also teaching, and her mother stayed home. One of Park’s strongest childhood memories is the family dinner table: “We didn’t have everything … but we always had each other growing up.”

Athletics became her route to higher education. Park wrestled on scholarship at an Oregon community college and later at Emmanuel University in Georgia. She earned a business degree, completed a master’s degree in positive psychology and worked as a graduate assistant for women’s wrestling at Life University. She also discusses her experience wrestling boys and explains why she strongly supports protecting separate opportunities for girls and women in sports while treating every person with dignity.

Georgia became home through school, church, her husband and eventually a house in Clayton County—purchased on the same day she graduated with her master’s degree. Now 29 and the mother of a young son, Park frames the race as a call to service, not the next rung in a political career.

“People … want someone who’s going to show up”

The decision came quickly, but not, Park says, as a sudden bolt of inspiration. After Scott’s death, she researched how a special election worked, discussed the possibility with her husband, family, church and friends, and decided she could not remain on the sidelines. She points to previous advocacy against child trafficking and exploitation as part of a longer pattern of civic involvement.

During the campaign, Park says she attended more than 50 events across all six counties. The lesson she heard repeatedly was less ideological than practical: “People at the heart of it just want someone who’s going to show up and listen to them after the election.”

Park describes herself as a conservative and a political outsider running a grassroots campaign without PAC or party funding. Her Christian faith is central to her identity, but she says her goal is to compete for every vote and work across party lines on problems that directly affect the district.

Data centers: growth, resources and the need to slow down

Data centers become the episode’s most detailed policy discussion. Park says residents across the district are worried about developments approved near homes, schools, hospitals and farmland, particularly when local input appears to arrive after major decisions are already in motion.

She does not argue that data centers or artificial intelligence should disappear. Instead, she calls for a pause on new development in sensitive areas until impact studies examine energy, water, infrastructure, noise and quality of life. She also raises questions about consumer privacy, who can access the enormous amount of information stored by these facilities, and whether highly specialized buildings can be repurposed if technology moves elsewhere.

“I’m not against the data centers. I’m not against the growth or technology or economic revenue for a neighborhood or a county,” Park says, “but not at the expense of the character of our communities and our resources as well.”

For long-term economic development, she wants the district to look beyond what she calls a short-term money grab. She identifies healthcare, aviation, logistics, skilled trades and apprenticeships as industries that could create durable local career paths—especially if young people can train, work and build their lives in the communities where they grew up.

Healthcare access that became personal

Park makes healthcare tangible through her own family. While pregnant and covered by a state plan, she says her available hospital choices were roughly 45 minutes from her home in the Ellenwood–Rex area. Her family later learned that moving to her husband’s employer plan would cost them about $700 per month while the employer contributed another $2,300.

Her answer is more competition, more choices and better value for what families and businesses already pay. She also wants a system that rewards preventive care instead of becoming financially engaged only after a person is sick. “Healthcare should be about caring for people,” she says, “and not navigating this system that’s impossible to afford.”

Immigration, education and the national debt

On immigration, Park argues for a secure border and a legal immigration process that is safe, fair and functional. She says the current system strains housing, healthcare, businesses and local law enforcement while leaving people pursuing legal entry waiting for years. Her stated priority is ensuring American citizens can access the services they need.

On education, Park supports reducing the federal role, increasing school choice and returning decisions closer to families and local communities. She favors more pathways into trades and apprenticeships rather than treating a four-year degree as the only route to a stable life. She also supports preserving protections such as Title IX and voices concern about the cost of higher education and student debt.

Federal spending is another generational issue for her. Park argues that Congress should be held to the same basic discipline families face at the kitchen table: set priorities, eliminate waste and ask hard questions about every dollar. “My son didn’t ask for $40 trillion in his country’s debt,” she says, adding that Congress has a responsibility to balance the budget.

“Show up, listen, and fight”

Park closes by returning to the idea of public service. She says she is not seeking a title or a lifelong career in politics, and that running for Congress is not the destination—serving people is.

“Voters deserve someone who remembers who they work for,” Park says. “I will show up, I will listen, and I will fight for the people of this district.”

Voters can agree or disagree with her prescriptions. Candidate Conversations exists to let them hear the reasoning, experience and temperament behind those positions before making that decision.

What voters should know

Election Day is Tuesday, July 28, 2026. The special election fills the remainder of the current congressional term. All candidates appear on one ballot, and a candidate must receive more than 50 percent of the vote to win outright. If no candidate reaches that threshold, the top two will meet in an August 25 runoff.

Voting details vary by county and precinct. Voters should confirm that they live in the 13th Congressional District and check their assigned polling location through Georgia’s My Voter Page before heading out.

Candidate Conversations is not an endorsement. It is an invitation to listen closely, compare the candidates and make an informed choice.·       

Watch Episode 95 on YouTube: https://youtu.be/spFm7bzu58Q

Fayth Park for Congress: https://votefaythpark.com/

Georgia My Voter Page: https://mvp.sos.ga.gov/s/

Newton County GA-13 Special Election Information: https://www.newtoncountyga.gov/m/newsflash/home/detail/840

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Ancient Faith, Daily Prayer, and a New Anglican Church in Covington

For many Christians, words like liturgy, Anglicanism, the Daily Office, and the Book of Common Prayer can sound like they belong in a church-history classroom—or at least somewhere with stained glass, incense, and a vocabulary quiz waiting at the door.

But for Father Justin Clemente, these aren’t museum pieces.

They are living tools: ways Christians have worshiped, prayed, learned, and followed Jesus together for centuries. And now, Fr. Clemente is bringing that tradition to Covington through a new congregation called Lamb of God Anglican Church.

In Episode 94 of The Town Square Podcast, Fr. Justin joins Trey Bailey and guest co-host Dr. Gregory Brown for a wide-ranging conversation about Anglican history, embodied worship, structured prayer, church leadership, and what Fr. Clemente describes as a “quiet revival” among young men searching for a deeper and more rooted expression of Christian faith.

It’s part theology lesson, part church-history tour, and part introduction to a new local congregation.

And, somehow, it remains a conversation ordinary people can follow.

“The Most Important Title I Have”

The conversation begins with a question that many people outside Anglican circles may wonder about: Why call a priest “Father”?

Fr. Clemente explains that, within the parish, the title is intended as a term of spiritual trust and endearment—a picture of someone called to offer fatherly care in Christ. But before any ministerial title, Fr. Clemente describes himself more simply.

His most important identity, he says, is “redeemed child of God.”

Then comes husband, father, Anglican priest, writer, editor, and—because, as he jokes, he is apparently “a glutton for punishment”—church planter once again.

Fr. Clemente previously spent a decade planting a church in western Maryland, where his family lived for 18 years. After moving to Georgia, he served at Holy Cross Cathedral in Loganville. He also writes and edits for Anglican Compass, a national resource designed to explain Anglican belief, worship, and practice with clarity.

His most recent book, At the Cross: Reflections on the Stations of the Cross, explores the 14 biblical Stations of the Cross as a devotional journey through Christ’s passion.

Fr. Clemente describes meditating on the cross as being like trying to hold the ocean in your hands. You cannot contain the whole thing—but you may be able to receive a drop and understand its depth a little more.

That image sets the tone for much of the episode.

This isn’t about knowing everything at once.

It’s about slowing down long enough to see more.

What Is Liturgy?

One of the episode’s most helpful sections begins with a basic question: What does liturgy actually mean?

Fr. Clemente describes liturgy as the work of the people—the shape and substance of what Christians do together in worship in response to God’s grace. Anglican worship also emphasizes that God is the primary actor: Christians gather not only to offer worship but to receive God’s gifts.

And every church has a liturgy.

Some churches write theirs down. Others follow an unwritten pattern that members understand instinctively. There may be opening music, announcements, prayer, preaching, an invitation, and a closing song. Change that order too dramatically and people quickly realize that even an “informal” church has expectations about how worship should proceed.

The real question, then, isn’t whether a church has a liturgy.

It’s what that liturgy teaches—and what kind of people it forms.

Worship You Can See, Hear, Smell, Taste, and Touch

Anglican worship is deliberately physical.

Scripture is read aloud. Congregants stand, kneel, speak, pray, exchange the peace, receive consecrated bread and wine, and sometimes experience the scent of incense moving through the sanctuary.

Those practices are not meant to be empty ceremony. Fr. Clemente explains them as ways of involving the whole person in worship.

Incense, for example, recalls biblical images of prayer ascending before God. It marks important moments: the gathering of the congregation, the reading of the Gospel, Communion, and the church’s movement back into the world. By the time worshipers leave, the aroma may literally remain on their clothing—a physical reminder of their calling to carry the “aroma of Christ” into the coming week.

The Gospel reading may be carried into the congregation rather than delivered only from a distant platform. The table remains visually central. White robes, or albs, are intended not to draw attention to the person wearing them, but to point toward baptism, purity in Christ, and the worship of heaven depicted in Scripture.

For Dr. Brown, the educator at the table, the multisensory nature of the service raises an interesting point: people learn in different ways. When worship involves hearing, seeing, tasting, touching, and even smelling, theological truth can move beyond abstract explanation and become something the congregation experiences together.

Liturgy teaches.

But it also forms.

Anglicanism: Protestant and Catholic?

The conversation also attempts something ambitious: explaining Anglican history in plain English.

Fr. Clemente places Anglicanism within the long history of Christianity in Britain, rather than beginning its story solely with King Henry VIII or the Protestant Reformation. He describes an English Christian heritage reaching back into the early centuries of the church and continuing through figures such as Patrick and the Celtic missionaries.

At the Reformation, Anglicanism chose reform rather than complete reinvention.

One metaphor offered during the conversation compares the church to a house. The foundation—Jesus Christ—remains secure. But over time, parts of the house may need repair, cleaning, or restoration.

Anglicanism, in Fr. Clemente’s telling, seeks to hold together the best of Protestantism and the historic catholic tradition, using catholic in its broad sense of the universal Christian church.

That means a high view of Scripture alongside deep respect for the early church, historic creeds, sacraments, ordered worship, bishops, priests, deacons, and the accumulated wisdom of Christians who came before us.

It also means acknowledging that the church can make mistakes.

As Fr. Clemente puts it, the church cannot ultimately fall—but it can trip.

Bishops, Priests—and the People of God

Anglican church government includes a visible structure of bishops, priests, and deacons, but Fr. Clemente is careful to explain that this does not eliminate the role of ordinary members.

A local congregation is typically guided by a vestry composed primarily of lay leaders and headed by the rector or senior priest. Regional churches belong to dioceses under bishops, while broader provincial structures connect Anglicans across larger geographical areas.

The result is neither purely congregational nor exclusively clergy-driven.

There is order, Fr. Clemente explains, but the people of God still have a genuine role and responsibility in the life of the church.

The episode also distinguishes the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA) from the Episcopal Church in the United States. Fr. Clemente describes the Anglican Church in North America, founded in 2009, as a movement committed to historic, biblically faithful Christianity after serious theological divisions within the Episcopal Church.

He acknowledges that separation came at a cost for many early leaders and congregations. But the deeper issue, he says, was whether the church still believed and proclaimed the Gospel—including the call for every person to repent, believe, and receive the grace of God.

The Book of Common Prayer: “Scripture Arranged for Worship”

Perhaps the most immediately practical part of the episode centers on the Book of Common Prayer.

Fr. Clemente’s description is refreshingly simple:

It is “Scripture arranged for worship.”

Rather than replacing the Bible, the prayer book organizes biblical language into patterns of personal, family, and corporate prayer. One of its best-known practices is the Daily Office, which provides forms for morning prayer, midday prayer, evening prayer, and Compline before bed.

Most people will not pray every office every day.

That isn’t the point.

The point is to develop a sustainable pattern that brings Christians repeatedly back to Scripture, the Psalms, confession, thanksgiving, intercession, and prayer for the church and the world.

Fr. Clemente describes the Daily Office as a rock for his family during the previous year. For Trey, learning to use it sparked a renewed hunger for Scripture and prayer.

But Dr. Brown raises an important objection: Can written prayer become little more than reading someone else’s script? What about the personal concerns that do not appear on the page—the hurting ankle, strained marriage, depression, anger, or fear someone actually brings into the room?

Fr. Clemente responds with one of the episode’s strongest analogies.

The prayer book is like a fireplace.

The fireplace provides form and structure. The person brings the fire.

Written prayers do not prevent personal prayer; they give it a framework. They also train Christians to pray beyond their immediate concerns. A person left entirely to spontaneous prayer may repeatedly return to the same subjects and phrases. Historic prayers introduce other needs, biblical themes, and ways of approaching God.

In that sense, the Daily Office is both prayer and discipleship.

It gives us some reps.

The “Quiet Revival” Among Young Men

So why plant another church?

Fr. Clemente says he did not initially plan to return to church planting. After a decade of doing that work in Maryland, he moved to Georgia and served at Holy Cross Cathedral.

But the desire returned.

Part of that calling grew from a pattern he began seeing among young men. Again and again, they told him a version of the same story: They had become serious about Christianity, discovered historic Christian teaching online, and arrived at church looking for someone to help them grow.

Some have called this a “quiet revival.”

Fr. Clemente is less concerned about the label than the pastoral reality in front of him. Something different is happening, he says. Young men are seeking tradition, discipline, theological depth, and a faith substantial enough to shape their lives and families.

But enthusiasm alone is not enough.

Those men need pastors. They need community, correction, encouragement, and protection from the ditches waiting on both sides of the road.

Lamb of God Anglican Church hopes to meet some of that need by being confidently Anglican, deeply traditional, and genuinely welcoming.

A New Anglican Community in Covington

Lamb of God Anglican Church is still in its early stages.

At the time of this recording, the congregation was meeting on Sunday evenings at 4 p.m. at Lily & Sparrow Mercantile in Covington. Fr. Clemente expresses gratitude to Jason and Noelle Cosby for opening their space to the emerging church community.

The immediate priority is not creating an impressive Sunday production.

It is forming a people.

Fr. Clemente wants first-time visitors—especially those unfamiliar with Anglican worship—to encounter a hospitable community that will not make them feel foolish for not knowing when to stand, kneel, speak, or remain silent.

The goal is to combine conviction with welcome.

Or, as Fr. Clemente puts it, to say both: “This is who we are,” and “Come and see.”

That invitation becomes his final message to the community.

Anglicanism can be explained through history, theology, polity, liturgy, prayer books, robes, incense, and sacraments. But Fr. Clemente believes its strength is ultimately experienced in worship and life together.

If something in the conversation stirred your curiosity, his invitation is simple:

Come and see.

Links Mentioned

• Watch Episode 94 on YouTube: https://youtu.be/ng0jCBUobN4
• Lamb of God Anglican Church: https://loganglican.org
• Anglican Compass: https://anglicancompass.com
• Fr. Justin Clemente’s book, At the Cross: https://anglicancompass.com/book/at-the-cross/
• Lily & Sparrow Mercantile: https://www.lilyandsparrow.co
• Luther Rice College & Seminary: https://www.lutherrice.edu

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The Next Chapter: New Voices, Big Ideas & What’s Ahead

Sometimes the best conversations happen when there’s no guest sitting across the table.

After several weeks of candidate interviews and election coverage, Trey Bailey and Gabriel Stovall return for a wide-ranging conversation about life, community, travel, family, and the future of The Town Square Podcast.

The episode begins with reflection on the recent Candidate Conversation series, which gave local voters an opportunity to hear directly from individuals seeking public office. Rather than debates or rapid-fire questions, the goal was simple: create space for honest conversation and help listeners better understand the people behind the campaigns.

For Trey and Gabriel, that approach perfectly reflects the mission of the podcast—creating unity without demanding uniformity.

Life Beyond the Podcast

A lot has happened during the brief break between episodes.

Trey shares the excitement of watching his twin daughters graduate from Eastside High School and begin the next chapter at the University of Georgia. Orientation brought excitement, information overload, and the realization that college arrives much faster than parents expect.

Gabriel talks about preparing for a much-needed vacation after balancing journalism, ministry, and community leadership. For the first time in more than two decades, he’ll be able to completely unplug from both professions simultaneously—a rare opportunity that he’s determined to embrace.

The conversation also pauses to acknowledge the passing of longtime Richmond County Board of Education member Walter Eubanks, serving as a reminder that life is both precious and unpredictable.

Why Travel Changes Perspective

One of the highlights of the episode is Trey’s reflection on a family trip through England and Scotland.

Instead of focusing on major tourist attractions, the family intentionally spent time in small fishing villages, rural countryside, and the Scottish Highlands. From driving narrow roads lined with towering hedges to exploring tiny island communities known for producing world-famous Scotch whisky, the experience offered something deeper than sightseeing.

It offered perspective.

As beautiful as the United Kingdom was, Trey admits that returning home reminded him how much he appreciates living in America.

The conversation isn’t about comparing nations or claiming one is better than another. Instead, it’s about recognizing that travel often deepens appreciation for home while broadening appreciation for other cultures.

Gabriel echoes that sentiment through his own international experiences, noting that seeing the world often strengthens gratitude for the place we call home.

America Through Someone Else’s Eyes

The discussion naturally shifts to the FIFA World Cup currently being hosted across North America.

One of the unexpected joys has been watching international visitors experience American culture for the first time.

Social media has been filled with visitors discovering everything from Buc-ee’s to Atlanta lemon pepper wings—and, perhaps most importantly, ranch dressing.

It’s a lighthearted reminder that every culture has something unique to offer, and sometimes the simplest experiences become the most memorable.

Those moments also reinforce one of the recurring themes of The Town Square Podcast: genuine relationships begin with curiosity rather than assumptions.

The Future of The Town Square Podcast

Perhaps the biggest announcement of the episode is where the podcast is headed next.

After more than ninety episodes, Trey and Gabriel believe it’s time to expand—not by changing who they are, but by growing what they do.

One exciting addition will feature young people taking over the microphones.

Inspired by conversations with students through the TaylorMade Foundation and other community partnerships, the hosts plan to dedicate future episodes to student voices, allowing the next generation to lead conversations that matter to them.

It’s an opportunity to showcase future journalists, communicators, civic leaders, and storytellers while giving listeners a fresh perspective on community issues.

The hosts are equally excited about another new format: bringing together guests who approach important topics from different viewpoints.

Not debates.

Not arguments.

Simply conversations.

The goal is to model respectful dialogue between people who may disagree while helping listeners understand the humanity behind different perspectives.

As Trey says, people often discover they agree on far more than they initially assumed.

Expanding Beyond Newton County

The Town Square has always been rooted in Newton County, but the conversation is beginning to grow.

Future episodes may feature leaders from neighboring communities including Jasper, Rockdale, Walton, Morgan, and Henry counties.

Each community faces unique opportunities and challenges, yet many are navigating similar questions about growth, education, development, public safety, and community identity.

Learning from one another benefits everyone.

A Podcast That Continues to Grow

As the hosts reflect on more than ninety episodes together, they’re grateful for the audience that has made the journey possible.

Whether listeners agree with every opinion expressed or challenge ideas presented on the show, they remain committed to creating a space where thoughtful conversation matters more than winning an argument.

That’s what “unity, not uniformity” has always meant.

Looking ahead, listeners can expect:

• More community leaders
• More regional voices
• Youth-led episodes
• Conversations featuring differing perspectives
• Expanded coverage across East Metro Atlanta
• Continued commitment to respectful dialogue

The format may evolve.

The guests may change.

The geography may expand.

But the mission remains exactly the same.

Because communities become stronger when people choose conversation over caricature and curiosity over conflict.

The next chapter of The Town Square Podcast is just getting started.

Visit www.TheTownSquarePodcast.com for all of the episodes, blog posts, advertising opportunities, and so much more.

After a full season of Candidate Conversations, The Town Square Podcast is back to regular programming — and Episode 92 brings us right back into the heart of what this show was built to do.

This week, Trey Bailey sits down with Detective DJ Seals of the Covington Police Department for a conversation that is equal parts informative, funny, practical, personal, and deeply local.

If you’ve been around Covington or Newton County for any amount of time, there’s a good chance you know DJ Seals — or at least you know his voice.

Some know him from radio. Some know him from law enforcement. Some know him as the booming, joyful voice announcing Miracle League baseball games. Others know him from his years of community service, public safety work, and willingness to show up wherever he is needed.

But in this episode, listeners get a fuller picture of DJ Seals: the broadcaster, the detective, the fraud investigator, the storyteller, the community servant, and the guy who has somehow lived enough interesting chapters to make Trey compare him to “the most interesting man in the world.”

DJ, of course, laughed that off.

But by the end of the episode, it was pretty clear Trey wasn’t completely wrong.

From Radio Voice to Detective Seals

The conversation begins with DJ’s name — literally.

DJ stands for Daniel Jonathan, though almost everyone has always called him DJ. That made things especially amusing when he worked in radio, because people naturally assumed “DJ” was his radio name.

It wasn’t.

It was just his name.

DJ talked about his early days in radio, including time at WGFS 1430 and later with Atlanta’s 104.7 The Fish. Trey remembered first connecting with him during his Eastridge Church days, when the church was hosting concert events and The Fish brought out its van and promotional team.

That radio background matters because it helps explain part of what makes DJ such a compelling guest. He knows how to tell stories. He knows how to communicate. And now, in his role with the Covington Police Department, he is using those same skills to educate the public about fraud, scams, identity theft, and personal safety.

DJ previously served with CPD before stepping away after a serious car accident and later moving into the world of law enforcement software. In that role, he worked with agencies across all 50 states and eight countries, helping teach best practices around real-time crime centers, drone systems, investigations, SWAT support, and technology tools.

But recently, a conversation with Chief Brent Fuesting led DJ back to the badge.

He had gone to the police department to drop off backpacks his church had prepared for homeless individuals and children who may be present during difficult law enforcement scenes. Those backpacks included small items like fidgets and comfort tools — simple things that can help a child regulate during stressful moments.

One conversation with the chief turned into another.

About a week later, DJ was back with the Covington Police Department.

Fraud, Forgery, Identity Theft — and a Changing World

DJ now focuses heavily on fraud, forgery, identity theft, and scams.

Some of that work is familiar to him from his earlier law enforcement career, but the world has changed dramatically. Identity theft was still a relatively new concept when DJ first worked in this space. Laws were still catching up. Technology was evolving. Investigators often had to do much of the work by hand.

Today, the tools are better.

Unfortunately, so are the criminals.

DJ explained that the core work of investigation is still the same, but the process has changed. Technology gives investigators more ways to track patterns and gather information, but it also gives scammers more ways to deceive, manipulate, and hide.

And the scams themselves have evolved.

The old stereotype was the “Nigerian prince” email — someone promising gold bars or a giant inheritance in exchange for a fee.

DJ said today’s scams are often much more realistic.

They look official.

They use familiar institutions.

They rely on public information.

And most importantly, they are built around emotion.

Fear and Love: The Two Big Hooks

One of the strongest themes from the episode is DJ’s explanation that modern scams are less about greed and more about emotion.

The old scams often worked by promising people money.

Today’s scams usually work by creating fear or exploiting love.

Fear shows up in fake toll notices, fake warrant threats, fake court documents, fake postal service claims, and fake Federal Trade Commission threats. A person receives a text, email, or phone call saying they owe money, missed court, have a warrant, or need to pay immediately to avoid arrest.

Love shows up in relationship scams.

DJ said relationship fraud is one of the biggest things he is seeing right now.

These scams often begin on social media. A stranger comments on a photo, sends a message, finds a point of connection, and slowly builds trust. It is what DJ described as a “long con.” The scammer may spend weeks or months building what feels like a real relationship.

Eventually, the request comes.

Money for a car repair.

Money for a child.

Money for travel.

Money for a medical issue.

And once money starts moving, the losses can become devastating.

DJ shared that his own aunt lost $180,000 in a relationship scam before the family knew what had happened. DJ confirmed that these stories are not rare, and they are heartbreaking because the victim often believes the relationship is real.

That makes the investigator’s job even harder.

DJ said one of the most difficult parts is not simply investigating the crime. It is helping the victim understand that they have been deceived.

There is grief.

There is shame.

There is embarrassment.

And DJ was clear: victims should not carry that shame.

These scammers are professionals. This is what they do. They are trained, organized, and skilled at manipulation.

The Rise of Bitcoin Scams

Another major warning from DJ: be extremely cautious if anyone asks you to pay through a Bitcoin ATM.

Fake warrant scams, relationship scams, and other fraud schemes increasingly route victims toward Bitcoin machines. The scammer tells the victim to deposit thousands of dollars into a Bitcoin ATM to clear a warrant, pay a fee, help a loved one, or resolve an urgent problem.

DJ explained why this is so dangerous.

Traditional financial institutions can be subpoenaed. Banks have fraud departments. Investigators can track certain transactions.

Bitcoin is different.

It is largely unregulated, often international, and can be extremely difficult to recover once money is sent.

DJ described Bitcoin as the “Wild West.”

His advice was blunt: if someone is asking you to put money into a Bitcoin machine, that is almost certainly a scam.

Fake Warrants, Toll Texts, Funeral Scams, and More

DJ walked through several common scams circulating right now.

One is the fake toll text. Many people have received messages claiming they owe money for unpaid tolls. Those scams became so widespread that scammers eventually shifted into other tactics.

One newer version is the fake warrant scam.

A person receives a document or message saying there is a warrant for their arrest because they missed court. The document may include real-sounding language, fake seals, judge names, county references, or courthouse addresses.

But DJ said there are usually clues.

The county may not match.

The judge may be from the wrong jurisdiction.

The address may be wrong.

The language may sound official, but the details do not hold together.

The problem is that panic makes people miss those clues.

DJ told the story of a friend who was standing at a gas station, ready to put thousands of dollars into a Bitcoin machine because he believed he had a warrant. DJ told him to walk away, calm down, sit in his truck, and actually read the document.

Once the panic faded, the errors were obvious.

Another emerging scam DJ mentioned is the funeral scam.

Scammers read obituaries, gather family information, identify the funeral home, and call grieving relatives pretending to be from the funeral home. They may claim that insurance did not cover a final bill and ask for a credit card payment.

It is cruel.

It is targeted.

And it works because people are grieving and vulnerable.

Social Media: Would You Do This in Person?

DJ offered a simple rule that may be the most memorable piece of advice from the episode:

Would you do this in person?

Would you give a stranger on the Covington Square $5,000 because they said their car broke down?

Would you walk up to someone you have never met and tell them about your grandkids, your dog, your family, your church, your schedule, and your personal life?

Most people would say no.

But online, the barrier feels lower.

There is a screen between people. There is a sense of safety. A person can seem kind, familiar, interested, and trustworthy.

DJ said that is exactly what scammers exploit.

His advice is not to stop talking to people altogether. It is to keep your guard up. Ask questions. Verify details. Do not assume a person is who they claim to be simply because they know a few facts about you.

And if someone begins asking for money, gift cards, Bitcoin, favors, or urgent help — slow down.

Ask questions.

Call someone you trust.

Call DJ.

Call law enforcement.

Do not let urgency make the decision for you.

Protecting Older Adults and Vulnerable Loved Ones

One of the most practical parts of the conversation centered on family members and caregivers.

DJ said he currently has cases where the victim did not initiate the report. A caregiver or relative noticed something odd and reached out because they suspected their loved one was being scammed.

That matters.

If you have an older parent, aunt, uncle, grandparent, or friend who spends time on social media, pay attention.

Not in a controlling way.

In a caring way.

If you see unfamiliar people commenting frequently or appearing in their online circle, ask gentle questions.

Who is that?

How do you know them?

Where are they from?

Have they asked you for anything?

DJ said those questions can help identify a scam before money is lost.

He also emphasized that many victims are not careless or foolish. Many are lonely, trusting, grieving, or simply unaware of how sophisticated these scams have become.

And some are very tech savvy.

This can happen to anyone.

Fraud Prevention Classes for the Community

One of the most encouraging parts of the episode is that DJ is not just investigating these crimes after they happen.

He wants to prevent them.

DJ is offering free fraud prevention conversations for schools, churches, civic organizations, retirement communities, and other local groups. These sessions are designed to be practical and conversational. He wants people to bring questions, share concerns, and learn how to spot scams before they become victims.

He made it clear that these are not credit repair classes or technical financial seminars.

They are awareness conversations.

What scams are happening right now?

What should people look for?

Who should they call?

What are the red flags?

How do families protect vulnerable loved ones?

DJ’s goal is simple: if one person recognizes a scam before sending money, it is worth it.

To schedule a fraud prevention conversation with Detective DJ Seals:

Phone: 770-385-2127

Email: daniel.seals@covingtonpolice.com

The Team Behind the Badge

DJ also made a point to emphasize that this work is not done alone.

He talked about the detectives and officers at CPD who each bring different strengths to the table. Some are especially strong with social media. Some are strong with research. Some specialize in other investigative tools or processes.

When a case gets complicated, the team works together.

DJ said he has never had a problem asking for help, and he sees that as a strength.

That spirit of teamwork matters because fraud cases can involve multiple victims, stolen identities, out-of-state actors, international phone numbers, fake accounts, financial records, and larger criminal networks.

Sometimes a small local case reveals a much larger machine.

DJ said when investigators can identify patterns and connect cases, they may be able to bring in larger agencies and pursue bigger targets.

The goal is not just to catch the small cog.

The goal is to expose the larger network.

The Joy of Miracle League Baseball

After a heavy conversation about scams, fraud, fear, and vulnerability, the episode ends on a joyful note.

For many in Newton County, DJ Seals is the voice of Miracle League baseball.

He has been announcing games for more than 11 years, and it is obvious that the Miracle League holds a special place in his heart.

DJ told the story of how his wife first heard that the league needed help with announcing. He showed up, sat down, and quickly realized there was a lot of space between names being called.

So he started calling the games like a real baseball broadcast.

A kid hit the ball, and DJ launched into full announcer mode.

The crowd loved it.

The players loved it.

And he has been doing it ever since.

What began with four teams of six players has grown dramatically. DJ said the most recent season included 16 teams and 195 players.

He described Miracle League as a place of pure joy — so much so that he joked it deserves the title “the happiest place on earth.”

For DJ, it is also personally restorative.

After a difficult day, he can put on his Miracle League jersey, head to the field, hear the first song, and feel the weight of the day lift.

That part of the conversation captures something important about DJ Seals.

Yes, he is a detective.

Yes, he investigates serious crimes.

Yes, he works fraud cases that involve real pain and real victims.

But he is also deeply connected to the community in ways that go beyond the badge.

He serves.

He shows up.

He brings joy.

And he uses his voice — literally and figuratively — to make Newton County a better place.

Final Thoughts

Episode 92 is a reminder of why The Town Square Podcast exists.

This is not just a show about politics, elections, or public issues. It is a show about people who are working in different corners of the community to make life better, safer, stronger, and more connected.

Detective DJ Seals brings a rare combination of humor, experience, compassion, technical knowledge, and old-fashioned community care.

He understands the scams.

He understands the victims.

He understands the systems.

And he understands that education may be one of the most powerful tools we have.

Whether you are a parent, caregiver, church leader, business owner, older adult, or just someone who has ever received a suspicious text message, this episode is worth your time.

Because the scams are changing.

The criminals are getting better.

And the best defense is a community that knows what to look for.

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In this Candidate Conversations episode of The Town Square Podcast, Trey Bailey sits down with Commissioner Demond Mason, the current Newton County Board of Commissioners representative for District 2 and a candidate for re-election.

Mason shares how his journey began far from Newton County, growing up in Tulsa, Oklahoma, before moving to Georgia, buying his first home in Newton County, and eventually feeling called into public service. What began as a desire to serve his community through ministry, outreach, and local involvement eventually became a run for county commission in 2018.

For Mason, public service is deeply connected to ministry. He describes elected office as a way to serve people, listen to their concerns, educate residents about how government works, and advocate for the needs of his district.

Throughout the conversation, Mason reflects on nearly eight years in office and points to several District 2 projects he is proud of, including the widening of Salem Road, improvements at Denny Dobbs Park, the county’s first splash pad and skate park, the new Senior Enrichment Center, and ongoing work toward a future recreation and aquatic center.

A major theme of the episode is growth. District 2 is the smallest commission district geographically, but Mason notes that it carries the highest population density in Newton County. Because of that, he says infrastructure, commercial development, public safety, and quality of life are all deeply connected.

Mason discusses his support for economic development, including new retail growth along the Salem Road and Brown Bridge corridors, and explains how he tries to balance residential growth with the need for restaurants, entertainment, services, jobs, and commercial investment closer to where District 2 residents live.

The conversation also explores public safety, including Mason’s support for increased sheriff’s office funding, more deputy presence in District 2, and the creation of the Westside precinct. Mason says visible law enforcement presence is an important quality-of-life issue for residents.

Trey and Mason also talk about the role of partisanship in local government. Mason, a Democrat, emphasizes that while candidates may run under party labels, governing requires serving everyone. He says residents do not ask for road repairs, trash pickup, or county services as Democrats or Republicans — they ask as people who deserve responsive government.

Toward the end of the episode, Mason highlights issues he believes deserve more attention, especially Newton County’s unsheltered population. He discusses efforts to connect housing, mental health resources, substance abuse support, workforce training, and job placement into a more complete pathway for people in need.

As Mason asks voters for another term, he frames his candidacy around servant leadership, accessibility, experience, and unfinished work in District 2.

For more information on Commissioner Demond Mason check out his website here: Demond Mason 4 Commissioner

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In this Candidate Conversations episode of The Town Square Podcast, Trey Bailey sits down with Tamara Strong, candidate for Newton County Board of Commissioners District 2, for a conversation about community, public safety, youth programs, transparency, and what she believes leadership should look like in Newton County.

Strong describes herself as a lifelong Newton County resident, wife, mother, woman of faith, and community advocate. She shares that her motivation for running comes from a desire to serve people and help ensure residents feel heard by local government.

Throughout the conversation, Strong returns often to the phrase at the center of her campaign: “Your Voice, Our Future.” For her, that means listening to constituents, hosting town halls, improving communication from county government, and making decisions with the people of District 2 in mind.

A major topic in the interview is growth. Strong says many residents she has spoken with are concerned about whether Newton County’s infrastructure, public safety staffing, teachers, firefighters, deputies, and services can keep pace with continued development. She also says residents are asking for more opportunities and programs for young people, including progress on a long-discussed youth center.

Public safety is another major theme. Strong discusses her belief that county commissioners have a responsibility to work closely with law enforcement, fire services, and emergency response agencies to help keep the community safe. She also shares concern about ambulance response times and says she would like Newton County to revisit how emergency medical services are handled.

The conversation also explores transparency, accessibility, and unity. Strong says she would like to see more town halls, better communication, and more opportunities for county officials and community agencies to work together. She points to a community event she helped organize with the health department, fire services, sheriff’s office, and local families as an example of what she calls “One Newton.”

Outside of politics, Strong shares her love for family, faith, cooking, barbecue, and community gatherings. She closes the episode by encouraging voters to make their voices heard in the May 19 primary.

Find out more about Tamara Strong at her campaign Facebook page: Elect Tamara Strong for District 2 Commissioner

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In this episode of The Town Square Podcast, hosts Trey Bailey and Gabriel Stovall continue the Candidate Conversations series with Jodi Lewis, candidate for the Georgia House of Representatives in District 118.

District 118 includes the south side of Newton County, extends down Highway 36 into BOE/BOC District 1, includes all of Butts County, and covers much of Monroe County. It is a geographically large and politically diverse district — one that Lewis says deserves active representation, clear communication, and leadership that is willing to listen across party lines.

Lewis introduced herself as a Newton County homeowner, mother, entrepreneur, and first-time candidate. She moved to Covington in 2017, bought her first home in 2020, and has three daughters, including a bonus daughter serving in the United States Navy. She shared that her maiden name is actually Covington, joking that when she moved to Georgia, the city seemed to be “calling her name.”

Professionally, Lewis brings a background in criminal justice, counseling, marketing, communications, and entrepreneurship. She earned her undergraduate degree in criminal justice from Fayetteville State University, followed by two master’s degrees — one in professional counseling and another in public relations and marketing. After working in the mental health field, she transitioned into marketing and launched her own firm in 2012.

Lewis said her work has included marketing strategy, legal case amplification, advocacy communications, and organizing one of the largest Caribbean-themed cruises. She also shared that her company was recognized by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce as one of America’s Top 100 Small Businesses in 2024 and won recognition for a healthcare marketing campaign tied to breast cancer research.

When asked why she decided to run, Lewis said she was initially contacted by an organization called The Fighting 50, which encouraged her to consider public office. After conversations with the organization and her family, she began to see the campaign as a natural extension of work she had already been doing — advocacy, communications, problem-solving, and public engagement.

Her family’s support helped solidify the decision. Lewis said her daughters and parents reminded her of the work she had already done, the countries she had traveled to, the businesses she had built, and the advocacy she had been part of. That encouragement pushed her to step into the race.

Lewis also said she did not believe any candidate — Democrat or Republican — should simply be handed the opportunity to represent a district. In her view, public office should be earned through listening, engagement, and work.

Throughout the conversation, Lewis returned often to a central theme: people want to be heard.

As she has campaigned across the district, Lewis said the response has been encouraging. She described voters as excited that someone is knocking on doors, asking questions, and giving them an opportunity to share their concerns. Even when people disagree with her politically, she said many have still been willing to engage.

The top issues she said she is hearing from voters include healthcare costs, housing affordability, property taxes, and the rising cost of everyday life.

Lewis said many residents moved to communities like Newton, Butts, and Monroe counties to avoid the high cost of living found closer to Atlanta. But as housing prices rise and new homes are built in the $400,000 to $500,000 range, some residents are beginning to feel those same financial pressures following them.

She connected those concerns personally to her own daughters, saying young adults are beginning to wonder whether they will ever be able to afford homes of their own.

When asked how she would approach affordable housing from the state level, Lewis said she brings what she described as a common-sense and analytical mindset. She argued that complex problems require more than slogans and that elected officials should focus less on claiming credit for legislation and more on whether policies actually improve people’s lives.

Lewis emphasized that she is not a career politician and said she believes politics has too often become like a football game, with each side more focused on winning for its team than solving problems for the people watching from the stands.

Her background in communications also shaped much of the conversation. District 118, as Trey noted, is politically diverse and now leans Republican after redistricting. Lewis, running as a Democrat, said reaching voters across that landscape requires more than speeches and campaign talking points. It requires communication, explanation, and relationship-building.

She argued that many elected officials need stronger communication skills, especially when it comes to explaining complicated policy decisions to everyday voters. Lewis said voters may not always know the name or number of a bill, but when the issue is explained clearly, they often have thoughtful opinions about it.

One of the strongest moments in the episode came when Lewis shared a story about meeting two Republican women at City Pharmacy restaurant on the Covington Square. After introducing herself as a candidate, Lewis said the women told her they were Republicans. Her response was that she wanted to talk with them and better understand their perspective.

That conversation continued beyond dinner, eventually moving to their home, where they talked for hours. Lewis said they did not agree on every issue, but they better understood one another’s experiences and perspectives by the end of the conversation.

For Lewis, that kind of exchange represents what politics should look like: honest, respectful, curious, and focused on finding shared concerns.

That story fit naturally with the mission of The Town Square Podcast — stepping into the messy middle, not to force agreement, but to create understanding.

The discussion then moved into affordability, taxes, and the balance between growth and responsibility. Lewis said she believes growth can be good for communities when it is planned strategically and produces a return on investment. As an entrepreneur, she said she understands that growth should eventually help pay for itself.

At the same time, she pushed back against simplistic arguments around taxes. Lewis said she would love to eliminate taxes, but basic community needs — roads, schools, public safety, and services — still have to be funded. The issue, in her view, is not simply whether taxes exist, but whether government is using public dollars wisely and producing results for the people.

Education became one of the most passionate parts of the conversation.

Lewis said success for students in District 118 means opportunity — not just in one form, but holistic opportunity for every student. She talked about literacy, safety, mental health, workforce readiness, school funding, and accountability.

She shared that she pulled her youngest daughter out of a Newton County high school because of concerns about safety, mental health support, and disruptions that affected her ability to focus. Her daughter is now graduating a year early, working full-time, and exploring entrepreneurship.

Lewis said Georgia must be willing to learn from places that have improved literacy outcomes, including Mississippi, which has been widely discussed for its major improvements in reading achievement. She said the state should be humble enough to study what works elsewhere and apply those lessons.

A major part of the education conversation focused on Georgia’s school funding formula, often referred to as the QBE formula, which was created in the 1980s. Trey noted that the formula dates back to a very different era — a time before modern school technology, today’s safety concerns, and many of the current expectations placed on public schools.

Lewis said it troubles her when elected officials talk about the need to update the formula but have been in positions to help change it for years. If elected, she said she would want to understand why it has not been updated and what barriers are preventing reform.

She also questioned whether Georgia should be proud of large budget surpluses when schools, healthcare, and families are still struggling. Lewis argued that a surplus should not be treated only as a bragging point if the state is not adequately meeting the needs of children and families.

The conversation then shifted to one of the most personal and powerful parts of Lewis’s public advocacy work: Miya’s Law.

Lewis explained that she became involved after receiving a call that a young woman named Miya Marcano was missing. Miya’s father was connected to the Caribbean cruise community that Lewis helps organize. Initially, Lewis stepped in to help manage media attention and organize information so the family could focus on finding Miya.

Miya was later found deceased. Lewis described the grief of sitting with Miya’s family and the immediate conviction that something had to change so other families would not experience the same tragedy.

Lewis helped support the family in launching the Miya Marcano Foundation, raising awareness around missing persons cases, and advocating for stronger tenant safety laws. She described helping families understand what to do when a loved one goes missing, assisting with media outreach, and pushing law enforcement to take cases seriously.

Miya’s Law focuses on tenant safety, including longer notice before apartment entry, stronger background checks for employees entering units, and better logs of who enters apartments and why. Lewis said versions of the law passed in Florida, Nevada, and Virginia, and that she would like to see similar tenant protections pursued in Georgia.

When asked what that advocacy taught her about legislating, Lewis said it showed her the importance of understanding the process, identifying key players, and being willing to work across party lines. She said sometimes getting something done may require allowing someone else’s name to appear on a bill if that is what helps it pass.

For Lewis, the point is not political credit. The point is impact.

She also spoke about the role of public communication in getting legislation passed. In her advocacy work, Lewis said public awareness helped create pressure and momentum. She argued that when people understand an issue and care about it, they can help move lawmakers to act.

As the conversation moved toward closing, Gabriel asked Lewis how she would turn individual conversations — like the one she had with Republican voters at City Pharmacy — into a long-term way of representing a diverse district.

Lewis said the answer starts with authenticity, openness, curiosity, and a willingness to sit down with people. She said she wants to understand why people believe what they believe, even when they disagree with her. She also emphasized focusing on issues that directly affect District 118 rather than allowing national political fights to distract from local concerns.

For Lewis, the issues facing District 118 are practical: affordability, housing costs, healthcare, property taxes, school safety, law enforcement support, and community trust.

She closed by encouraging voters to learn more about her by visiting her campaign website, following her on social media, or simply searching her name online. She said she welcomes questions, challenges, accountability, and direct conversation from voters.

Lewis made clear that she is “in it to win it,” but also said she is in it to work. She described the opportunity to potentially represent District 118 as an honor and said she wants to earn the support of voters.

As with every Candidate Conversations episode, the goal of this conversation is not to tell listeners who to vote for. The goal is to give voters a clearer picture of the person asking to represent them — their story, their priorities, their leadership style, and their approach to public service.

Jodi Lewis website: https://jodilewisforgeorgia.com

Election Day for the primary is May 19, and as Trey reminded listeners, May matters.

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