River gives a very cool update on the WNBA draft and coach Dawn Staley's comments on trans women in sports. Next, an incredible question leads to a nuanced conversation about internalized transphobia and judging other trans people. Then, what's the correlation between transness and "giftedness?" A listener writes in to commiserate with River's comments about holding dual identities. Finally, how do we feel about transness and aging?

Link: https://transadvocacyok.org/

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Gabe and River both had great experiences in New York... separately. Then, rapper Cuee joins the show to talk about the business of being a queer rapper, his political and creative inspirations (and what it means to be a loverboy), and redoing your old albums post-transition aka (Taylor's Version) (Trans). Plus, performing at Lawrence, Kansas' first Pride, being an incredibly confident stud in high school, and how he and ESPN's Katie Barnes got their boarding school to change their uniforms.

Cuee: https://cueemusic.com/

https://www.instagram.com/cueemusic/

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Adrian sends a fantastic email about cherry-picking horror stories from the state of Florida that has River cheering in his seat. Then, trans casting director Charlie Hano joins the pod to talk about auditioning dos and don'ts, the constantly changing landscape for what trans looks like in entertainment, and his own transition story born from a dream.

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Gabe wants to find River a husband at a sports bar, even though River is in his "hetero era." The duo talk about all kinds of topics, including looking for unconditional love, dying their beards, relating to Ken in the Barbie movie, masculinizing facial filler, and whether everyone hates being a woman. Should trans people boycott Florida? Gabe and River address an email about an NYPD ad appearing at the end of an episode, and the tragic murder of non-binary student Nex Benedict.

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Writer, actor, producer, host, lover and friend Vico Ortiz joins the podcast to talk about therapy, attachment styles and astrology, their drag style, coming out as polyamorous and one million other fascinating topics. Plus, which host did Vico go on a date with? (You’ll never guess.)

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Gabe and River are finally caught up on episodes enough to discuss the Free Palestine movement and the genocide in Gaza. Thank you to the listener who left the comment that sparked this conversation. Then, a listener writes in asking what Gabe and River's feelings are about cis men now that they've transitioned. It gets spicy!

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Hey friends, some of the audio sounds different in places due to recording in Zoom. Thanks for your patience. Love you!

River and Gabe discuss the childhood toys or interests that they later believe were trans. (The 80s were wild for River and boy's dolls.) Then, The Owl House's Avi Roque joins the pod to talk about vocal health and testosterone's impact on their career in voice acting and audio books. This is a feel good one, babes.

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Gabe and River discuss fundraising for Gabe's new trans movie they're directing. They also answer a listener's question about whether they're trans enough to medically transition and about having doubts. Then, they talk about the ongoing mockery of "they/them" pronouns not just by young people, but as a larger political Boogeyman, and about the many trans writers in the science fiction writing sphere. Gabe goes into their love of Star Trek, The People's Joker, and bisexual villains. Plus, more about Peter Parker being trans-coded. 

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River's comedy special is out!! Hooray!! How do you play it if Hollywood can't place you? River and Gabe share some very personal experiences! What gift have they each gotten from fans, what does it mean when someone's therapist recommends your comedy, and how do parasocial relationships work? Plus, Gabe is dating a famous podcaster! Then, we answer your emails and Ko-Fi comments! Two college baseball players are dating and it's incredible! River gives a little history of gay baseball players.

Link: https://www.outsports.com/comingout/2023/10/11/23910340/cole-philpott-aiden-phipps-college-baseball-bisexual-lgbtq-boyfriends-ncaa-coming-out

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Gabe and River give advice to a listener that wants to support and connect to their gender questioning partner. Then, the first openly trans athlete in professional American hockey and two-time champion Harrison Browne joins the podcast to talk about coming out while playing a professional team sport, the juicy drama of women's sports, and the history of gendered sports rules. Plus, the tough question: why hockey?

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A listener writes in asking River and Gabe if they have to come out as trans at work as they start transitioning. Then, The Trans Therapist Alo Johnston joins to talk about honing his specialty in working with trans clients, the benefit of shared experiences, and whether you're trans ENOUGH.

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How often do trans men think about the Roman Empire? River went to Thanksgiving with two celebrities. Then, the duo answer your listener questions about connecting to your body through sports, recommendations for acting monologues as a trans guy, gendered experiences on the school bus, hot tips on oral minoxidil, growing butt hair, being a cis listener, and getting a binder. They also discuss top surgery for everyone! This episode has everything! Write in to the show at theknewguyspodcast@gmail.com

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Gabe and River talk about their experiences in the men's restroom after a listener writes in worried about being misgendered there. What does River use to stand to pee? How much longer can Gabe use the women's room? And what is "low disclosure?" Then, performer and "guinea pig dad" Maze Felix joins the show to talk about how ASL interpreting created queer and trans community for them, their journey leaving Ohio and having top surgery with a community care team, and the meaning of the identity "trans non-binary."

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Astrologer Jessica Lanyadoo comes onto the pod and reads both River's and Gabe's astrological charts, blowing both their minds. It gets deep. Then, she reads Gabe and River's compatibility. Plus, what do the stars say about gender and masculinity? This is a wholesome and emotional one. Get into it.

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River is back! How to say no! Visiting Japan! A 21-year-old goes viral for pretending to be his own mother in drag and somehow everyone loves it! Then, the duo go over all your mail. Jamie wants them to expand on the idea that certain cishet people are queer. Two people have advice on beard growth and minoxidil. River's name twin asks Gabe if feminine clothing just feels "safer" or if this is born out of fear. Then, overthinking internalized transphobia. And finally, high school reunions!

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Author of "Inverse Cowgirl" Alicia Roth Weigel joins Gabe on the podcast for a FASCINATING conversation about the realities of the overmedicalization of intersex children, the connections between the transgender and intersex communities, and the gift of being born outside society.

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Gabe is also sporty, okay!! And River has advice for not beating yourself up after games. Then, the duo discuss tips for growing beards and how to embrace shaving. Then, Scottish writer Ely Percy joins the pod to talk about agender identity/community and how they came to know themselves. Mx., riddles, representations, cancellations and more. This one gets into everything!!

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Do you own a podcast studio? We want to record the show in it! First, the duo pay tribute to ally Laura Ann Carlton, the shop owner murdered in Lake Arrowhead for hanging a Pride flag. Rest in Power. Then, they break down the latest Journal of the American Medical Association study that shows 99 percent of people who get top surgery do NOT regret it. And further statistics comparing different regrets. What were both Gabe's and River's feelings and experiences before, during, and after their own top surgeries?

tw: gun violence, suicidal ideation

Doctor's Who: Radical Lessons From The History of DIY Transition

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/doctors-who-gill-peterson

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River and Gabe discuss Gabe's "activity" (now called Trans Action) of the week which was gathering hundreds of opinions on before and after photos of people who have undergone medical transition. They have different opinions! Then, the duo give advice to an agender listener who worries about losing their connection to their past self. And finally, they're joined by the incredible Sage "King Femme" Rosenberg for an all-encompassing and complicated conversation about non-binary identity, Black Judaism and queerness, and other SPICY topics and takes. L'Chaim!

Our Cameos: cameo.com/gabesdunn & cameo.com/riverbutcher 

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Finally, we read and answer your listener emails! It gets spicy! Gabe and River discuss funding Gabe's T4T movie which needs your help! And, yay: River's BRAND NEW comedy special comes out mid-September! River shares what he's learned from injuring himself during a baseball game. He also had deep feelings seeing Le Tigre in concert. And finally, journalist and trans media consultant Tuck Woodstock joins the pod to talk about the way trans issues are reported on, the criminalization of transness, dealing with TERFs, and how Tuck's nudes changed Gabe's life.

To donate to Gabe's movie:

Venmo and Cashapp: gabesdunn

Paypal: gabe@youandiyouandmefilm.com

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