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The Neuroscience of Resistance in Sales and Leadership — Travis Hahler

Episode 574
37m | Nov 3, 2026

70% of organisational change initiatives have failed to hit their goals for three decades straight. Travis Hahler argues that’s not a leadership problem or a motivation problem. It’s biology. When you ask someone to change, you’re asking them to abandon routines their brain built specifically to save energy, and that triggers a protective response they can’t simply decide their way out of.

Jason Marc Campbell sits down with Travis Hahler, neuroscience informed change strategist, senior director of global strategy and transformation at Salesforce, and author of Rethinking Resistance. Travis explains why your highest performers resist change hardest, why discounting never solves a real objection, why urgency stops working once everything becomes urgent, and why acknowledging the downsides upfront is what actually builds trust.

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👂Listen out for:

Resistance isn’t rebellion, it’s biology

Why high performers push back the hardest

The two root causes: energy and protection

Burning platforms only work if they’re rare

Get curious instead of sweetening the deal

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🔗 More from Travis:

Website: travishahler.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travisdhahler/

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