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E48. The Healing Quest: Using D&D to Level Up Family and Group Communication with Riley Fairgrieve, LPC, NCC

39m | Dec 16, 2025

Welcome back for the next journey of The Family Express Podcast with Kathryn de Bruin, LMFT and Ronda Evans, LMFT where our destination is resilient and connected families. Our guest today is Riley Fairgrieve, LPC, NCC. Riley speaks about the use of therapeutic tabletop role play gaming in families and peer groups -- in his case, D & D, Dungeons and Dragons.

Kathryn de Bruin is an ICEEFT Certified EFT Trainer. Kathryn and Ronda are both licensed marriage and family therapists, EFT supervisors and therapists, and AAMFT Approved Supervisors.


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Other resources mentioned in this episode:

The Kids Table (Videos of one family playing DnD): https://youtu.be/xSUgl6BHj0g?si=g99ObOl7GaXM2HeQ

Roll in the Family (Family Friendly Charity Event where 3 sets of parents and their kids played with a masterclass GM): https://youtu.be/4xnfQ4KjfSg?si=gBTjPVqx9UYEzypI

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