For church planters, elders and pastors, we live in remarkable times. The demands upon church leaders are sky-high while the credibility of the church has suffered many blows. A pandemic, civil unrest, political polarization, church scandals—pastors and planters are weary and discouraged with the growing complexity of their call. They need engagement and encouragement —they need to remember why ministry is worth the cost; they need to know how to be resilient, how to bounce forward in such a season.Hosted by Bob Lepine, in each episode you&#39;ll meet thought leaders and ministry veterans who are changing and advancing planting and pastoring through their passionate pursuit of Christ. Every guest you listen to, every topic you learn about, and every new idea you discover on this podcast will be aimed to help strengthen your resiliency so you can run long and finish well.

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In this enlightening episode of &#34;The Bounce,&#34; host Bob Lepine and author and pastor Cary Schmidt delve into the critical issue of ministerial exhaustion and how to maintain resilience in pastoral roles. Schmidt, drawing from his extensive experience and his new book, Steady Strength, shares personal insights on reversing the dangerous drift toward depletion that many leaders face. The discussion opens with an exploration of the personal and professional challenges Schmidt has encountered over his 34 years in ministry, particularly focusing on his transformative last 11 years revitalizing a struggling church in New England. This episode not only illuminates the paradox of pastoral strength—where true power is found in acknowledged weakness and dependency on God—but also offers practical advice on developing a sustainable ministry lifestyle that prioritizes spiritual, emotional, and physical well-being. Through a blend of theological insight and practical wisdom, this conversation aims to equip pastors with the tools to thrive in their calling by fostering a gospel-centered life that embraces limitations and cultivates genuine strength.This episode is a must-listen for any church leaders looking to navigate the complexities of pastoral duties while ensuring their own spiritual health remains a priority.

Cary Schmidt: Embracing Weakness, Cultivating Strength

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In this thought-provoking episode of The Bounce, host Bob Lepine engages with Sam Allberry, pastor and author, in a deep dive into the concept of gospel-centered culture within churches. Tackling the challenging realities of pastoral ministry, they explore the themes of honesty, grace, and truth, as discussed in the book You&#39;re Not Crazy: Gospel Sanity for Weary Churches, co-authored by Alberry and Ray Ortlund. The conversation uncovers the often-unspoken struggles within theologically conservative circles to foster environments where vulnerability is not just accepted but encouraged. Alberry shares personal anecdotes and wisdom on creating a church culture where members can freely confess and find support, emphasizing the importance of living out the gospel in community life. This episode offers listeners a candid look at the nuances of building a gospel-centered church, aiming to equip leaders with the tools to nurture an environment of grace and truth.

Sam Allberry: You're Not Crazy

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In this episode of The Bounce, host Bob Lepine dives into the world of church residency programs with Dave Harvey, Dave serves as the president of the Great Commission Collective. They explore how these residency programs are revolutionizing pastoral ministry and church planting, akin to medical residencies, by providing on-the-job training and mentorship for future church leaders. Dave also shares insights from his extensive experience in ministry and his recent book, &#34;Stronger Together,&#34; emphasizing the importance of alignment and collaboration among churches. The conversation also covers the practicalities and benefits of establishing residency programs, the pivotal role of mentors, and how the Great Commission Collective supports these initiatives through resources like the church planter residency kit. This discussion is not just theoretical but deeply practical, offering guidance on how churches of all sizes can contribute to gospel ministry expansion through well-structured residency programs. Join Bob and Dave as they unpack the vision and mechanics behind these transformative programs, highlighting their potential to nurture the next generation of church leaders.

Dave Harvey: How To Begin A Residency Program in your Church

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In this thought-provoking episode of The Bounce, host Bob Lepine is joined by Rosaria Butterfield to discuss her latest book, “Five Lies of Our Anti-Christian Age,” challenging prevalent misconceptions within Christianity. Rosaria addresses the urgent need for mature voices in the ongoing cultural conversation. The discussion navigates through the five lies Rosaria exposes in her book, tackling issues from homosexuality to feminism. Throughout, they emphasize the importance of love for enemies, proximity without compromise, and the need for Christians to be well-trained warriors in a hostile world. The episode concludes with a bold call to Christians to engage in the battle for truth with kindness, grace, and an unwavering commitment to biblical principles. Rosaria Butterfield has also written “Secret Thoughts of an Unlikely Convert” and “The Gospel Comes with a House Key.” She is married to Kent Butterfield, a Reformed Presbyterian pastor in North Carolina, and is a homeschool mother, author, and speaker. <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode:</h3>-Rosaria’s latest book, “Five Lies of Our Anti-Christian Age”: <a href="https://rosariabutterfield.com/five-lies" rel="nofollow">https://rosariabutterfield.com/five-lies</a>-”The Gospel Comes with a House Key” book: <a href="https://rosariabutterfield.com/the-gospel-comes-with-a-house-key" rel="nofollow">https://rosariabutterfield.com/the-gospel-comes-with-a-house-key</a>-”Secret Thoughts of an Unlikely Convert” book: <a href="https://rosariabutterfield.com/secret-thoughts-of-an-unlikely-convert" rel="nofollow">https://rosariabutterfield.com/secret-thoughts-of-an-unlikely-convert</a> - Great Commission Collective: <a href="https://www.gccollective.org" rel="nofollow">https://www.gccollective.org</a>

Rosaria Butterfield: Five Lies of Our Anti-Christian Age

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Join host Bob Lepine as he sits down with Sam Black for this impactful episode of The Bounce. Sam is the Director of Life Change Education at Covenant Eyes, and he shares his personal journey and the ministry&#39;s mission to address the often overlooked issue of pornography within the church. Covenant Eyes is an accountability software, which serves over 500,000 people weekly, creating a community of support and fostering lasting freedom from pornography.  The conversation delves into the prevalence of pornography in the church, where at least two thirds of men and one third of women say they have an ongoing struggle with pornography. Sam addresses the three common factors contributing to ongoing struggles: early exposure, repetitive use, and underlying trauma.  Bob and Sam explore the impact of pornography on various church ministries, emphasizing the need for a holistic approach to healing. Sam provides practical insights into breaking the cycle of shame, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability, support groups, and equipping pastors to address this issue. Join Bob and Sam and they discuss the pervasive influence of pornography and the transformative power of a safe and supportive healing process. <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode:</h3>- Sam Black’s book, “The Healing Church: What Churches Get Wrong about Pornography and How to Fix It”: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Church-Churches-Wrong-Pornography-ebook/dp/B0BW817DKJ" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Church-Churches-Wrong-Pornography-ebook/dp/B0BW817DKJ</a> - Covenant Eyes: <a href="https://www.covenanteyes.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.covenanteyes.com/</a>- The Covenant Eyes app can be found on the <a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?gl=US&hl=en_US&id=com.covenanteyes.androidservice" rel="nofollow">Play Store</a> and <a href="https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/covenant-eyes-quit-porn-now/id335318146" rel="nofollow">Apple App Store</a>, and is compatible with Windows and Apple computer products.- The Victory app can be found on the <a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?gl=US&hl=en_US&id=com.covenanteyes.victoryandroid&pli=1" rel="nofollow">Play Store</a> and <a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/victory-by-covenant-eyes/id1593067468" rel="nofollow">Apple App Store</a>- Great Commission Collective: <a href="https://www.gccollective.org" rel="nofollow">https://www.gccollective.org</a>

Sam Black: How A Church Can Address the Pornography Epidemic

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On this episode of The Bounce, host Bob Lepine is joined by Chris Moles for a vital conversation about the shocking prevalence of domestic violence within the church and how pastors can be equipped to address it. Join Bob and Chris as they discuss proactive steps for pastors, including preventative measures, recognizing signs of abuse, and educating oneself with key resources. The conversation navigates the delicate balance of responding to abuse disclosures, confronting abusers, and providing support to victims. The episode aims to equip pastors with insights and tools to address this critical issue within their congregations, and concludes with how to handle redemptive situations when there is hope for transformation in an abusive individual. Chris is senior pastor of the Chapel in Winfield, West Virginia and an ordained minister with the Christian and Missionary Alliance. He is a certified biblical counselor with the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors and the International Association of Biblical Counselors. Moles is a contributor to the West Virginia intervention curriculum used throughout the state prisons, correctional facilities, and community organizations.  <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode:</h3>- Chris Moles’ website: <a href="https://www.chrismoles.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.chrismoles.org/</a> - Chris Moles’ book, “Caring for Families Caught in Domestic Abuse: A Guide toward Protection, Refuge, and Hope”: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Caring-Families-Caught-Domestic-Abuse/dp/1645072584" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Caring-Families-Caught-Domestic-Abuse/dp/1645072584</a> - Men of Peace: <a href="https://www.menofpeace.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.menofpeace.org/</a> - Justin &amp; Lindsey Holcomb’s book, “Is It My Fault?: Hope and Healing for Those Suffering Domestic Violence”: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Fault-Suffering-Domestic-Violence/dp/0802410243" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/My-Fault-Suffering-Domestic-Violence/dp/0802410243</a> - Focus Ministries: <a href="https://www.focusministries1.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.focusministries1.org/</a>- Called to Peace Ministries: <a href="https://www.calledtopeace.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.calledtopeace.org/</a>- Clarity in Action: <a href="https://clarityministry.org/" rel="nofollow">https://clarityministry.org/</a>

Chris Moles: Addressing Domestic Violence as a Pastor

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On this episode of The Bounce, Dr. Timothy Z. Witmer joins us to talk about the themes of his book, “The Shepherd Leader: Achieving Effective Shepherding in Your Church.” Tim is professor emeritus at Westminster Theological Seminary and has served as a local church pastor in a number of settings.Join host Bob Lepine and Tim as they delve into the necessity of having a plan, while remaining adaptable to changing circumstances, as illustrated through real-life experiences of implementing and reimagining shepherding strategies in various church contexts. Bob and Tim also discuss topics within shepherding like church membership, accountability among elders, the indispensable role of prayer, and much more.For pastors seeking to move their churches towards a biblical model of shepherding or exploring ways to enhance their existing shepherding structures, this episode provides invaluable insights and practical strategies. Join us as we uncover the heart of a shepherding ministry and the critical role it plays in nurturing and growing a thriving congregation. <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode:</h3>- Tim Witmer’s book, “The Shepherd Leader: Achieving Effective Shepherding in Your Church”: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shepherd-Leader-Achieving-Effective-Shepherding/dp/1596381310" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Shepherd-Leader-Achieving-Effective-Shepherding/dp/1596381310</a> - Tim Witmer’s book, “The Shepherd’s Toolbox: Advancing Your Church&#39;s Shepherding Ministry”: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shepherds-Toolbox-Advancing-Shepherding-Ministry/dp/1629955310" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Shepherds-Toolbox-Advancing-Shepherding-Ministry/dp/1629955310</a> - Great Commission Collective: <a href="https://www.gccollective.org" rel="nofollow">https://www.gccollective.org</a>

Timothy Z. Witmer: What it Looks Like for a Pastor to be a Shepherd Leader

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In this episode, host Bob Lepine is joined by author Samuel James as they delve into the world of digital engagement and its profound impact on our lives. They discuss Samuel’s book, &#34;Digital Liturgies: Rediscovering Christian Wisdom in an Online Age,&#34; examining how our habits on the internet shape our thoughts and beliefs.As they look at the impact of the digital universe, Bob and Samuel address the challenges pastors face in ministering effectively within a culture consumed by digital distractions, addressing social media’s intentionality in evoking negative emotion and the impacts of extensive online content consumption versus deeper, contemplative reading. Included in their conversation are helpful tools to manage digital consumption and rein in distractions.There is an invitation to live a life of radical peace amidst the noise and distractions of the digital age. Join Bob and Samuel as they explore these transformative concepts and their implications for our lives and ministries. <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode:</h3>- Samuel James’ book, “Digital Liturgies: Rediscovering Christian Wisdom in an Online Age”: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Liturgies-Rediscovering-Christian-Wisdom/dp/1433587130" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Liturgies-Rediscovering-Christian-Wisdom/dp/1433587130</a> - Great Commission Collective: <a href="https://www.gccollective.org" rel="nofollow">https://www.gccollective.org</a>

Samuel James: Ministering in the Digital Universe

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Join host Bob Lepine as he welcomes guest Ryan Welsh in this thought-provoking episode of The Bounce. They delve into the complexities faced by youth ministries today navigating the shifting cultural perspectives on gender identity and sexuality.  Emphasizing the need to navigate this terrain with both grace and truth, they discuss the tensions that arise when compassion and doctrinal stance collide. The episode underscores the need to equip youth with a solid theological understanding of human embodiment and sexuality while acknowledging the societal pressures they face. Through real-life anecdotes and scriptural insights, they challenge listeners to navigate these sensitive conversations with love, empathy, and intellectual rigor. Ultimately, they emphasize the importance of maintaining gospel integrity while engaging in compassionate dialogue within and outside the church community.Ryan Welsh is the Lead Pastor at Restoration Church in Southlake, Texas. He is also a PhD candidate at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode:</h3>- Carl Trueman’s book, “Strange New World: How Thinkers and Activists Redefined Identity and Sparked the Sexual Revolution”: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Strange-New-World-Activists-Revolution/dp/1433579308" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Strange-New-World-Activists-Revolution/dp/1433579308</a> - Nancy Pearcey’s book, “Love Thy Body: Answering Hard Questions about Life and Sexuality”: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-Thy-Body-Answering-Questions/dp/0801075726" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Love-Thy-Body-Answering-Questions/dp/0801075726</a> - Great Commission Collective: <a href="https://www.gccollective.org" rel="nofollow">https://www.gccollective.org</a>

Ryan Welsh: Biblical Sexuality and Gender in Youth Ministry

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Host Bob Lepine is joined by Nathan Knight for this episode of The Bounce. They discuss Nathan&#39;s book, “Planting by Pastoring” and talk about the modern church planting movement, questioning its emphasis on certain values over biblical principles. Nathan suggests a need to refocus on biblical ideals rather than business ideologies. They discuss the challenges and joys of church planting, emphasizing the importance of treasuring Christ together. They also grapple with measuring spiritual growth, emphasizing the difficulty in quantifying spiritual depth but suggesting key indicators like the clarity and biblical fidelity of sermons, the church&#39;s focus on praising Christ, and the congregation&#39;s increasing delight in spiritual matters.Join Bob and Nathan as they talk about church planting, and how we can think more biblically about it and be encouraged even if our metrics aren&#39;t measuring the standards of success that we think they ought to be measuring.Nathan pastors Restoration Church in Washington D.C. and serves on the lead team for the Treasuring Christ Together church planting network. Nathan and his wife Andi live in Washington D.C with their two sons. <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode:</h3>- Nathan Knight’s book, “Planting by Pastoring: A Vision for Starting a Healthy Church”: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Planting-Pastoring-Vision-Starting-Healthy/dp/1433588110" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Planting-Pastoring-Vision-Starting-Healthy/dp/1433588110</a> - The Am I Called Assessment: <a href="https://gccollective.org/AmICalled#:~:text=The%20Am%20I%20Called%20Assessment%20test%20is%20designed%20to%20help,the%20GCC%20Church%20Planter%20Profile" rel="nofollow">https://gccollective.org/AmICalled#:~:text=The%20Am%20I%20Called%20Assessment%20test%20is%20designed%20to%20help,the%20GCC%20Church%20Planter%20Profile</a>. - Great Commission Collective: <a href="https://www.gccollective.org" rel="nofollow">https://www.gccollective.org</a>

Nathan Knight: Planting by Pastoring

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In this episode of The Bounce, host Bob Lepine welcomes guest Keri Folmar, a pastor’s wife living in Dubai and author of &#34;How Can Women Thrive in the Local Church?&#34;. In their conversation, they address potential challenges pastors may face in complementarian contexts and the importance of encouraging women to engage deeply with theology and study the Scriptures. Keri shares practical advice for women in the local church, including the importance of gospel-centered living, active participation in church gatherings, balancing service and learning, and embracing the church as a family. Join Bob and Keri as they talk about how to ensure that women in our churches are involved, participating, influencing, and speaking into the life of the church. <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode:</h3>- Keri Folmar’s book, “How Can Women Thrive in the Local Church?”: https://www.amazon.com/Women-Thrive-Local-Church-Questions/dp/1433572192- Great Commission Collective: https://www.gccollective.org

Keri Folmar: How Can Women Thrive in the Local Church?

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In this episode of The Bounce, host Bob Lepine welcomes guest Alistair Begg to discuss the concept of forgiveness as a merciful response to others. They delve into the importance of forgiving our debtors, the supernatural nature of forgiveness, and the need for the world to see the true nature of the kingdom of God. Alistair shares insights from his new book, &#34;The Christian Manifesto&#34; and reflects on the challenges and opportunities of living out these principles in a divided society. The episode also explores the need for self-reflection when pointing out flaws in others, the impact of Woodstock and the United Nations, and the importance of genuine apologies and seeking support. Join Bob and Alistair as they provide thought-provoking perspectives on forgiveness and kingdom living. Timestamped Overview[00:02:27] Manifesto compels readers to examine principles.[00:04:43] Jones and Stott&#39;s teachings on Christian living.[00:08:10] &#34;Short book packs big punch on kingdom&#34;[00:11:34] Forgiveness and love are supernatural and necessary.[00:14:32] Challenge: Material values vs. Jesus&#39; priorities.[00:17:51] Importance of contextualizing and understanding Jesus&#39; messages.[00:20:37] Open hearts, open doors; embrace vulnerability.[00:22:32] Jude warns about troublemakers, self-reflection needed.[00:26:21] Hope for change through prayer and compassion.[00:29:21] Alastair Begg&#39;s book and ministry overview. Resources Mentioned in this Episode- Alistair Begg&#39;s book &#34;The Christian Manifesto&#34;: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Christian-Manifesto-Life-Changing-experience-blessing/dp/1784989185/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1UJBS9MQNPIXO&keywords=Alistair+Begg%26%2339%3Bs+book+%26%2334%3BThe+Christian+Manifesto%26%2334%3B&qid=1697557784&sprefix=alistair+begg%26%2339%3Bs+book+the+christian+manifesto+%2Caps%2C110&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/dp/1784989185/</a>- Truth for Life website: <a href="https://www.truthforlife.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.truthforlife.org/</a>- The Great Commission Collective: https://www.gccollective.org

Alistair Begg: Navigating Forgiveness in a Divided World

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In this episode, we look at how to support struggling pastors with Garrett Higbee, a seasoned pastor and leader in ministry. In this episode, Garrett shares his insights on the challenges pastors and ministry leaders face, as well as the importance of humility, accountability, and teachability. We&#39;ll be diving into topics such as the unrealistic expectations placed on pastors, the need for rest and retreat, building a culture of trust within leadership teams, and the importance of self-awareness and emotional intelligence.Garrett Higbee has always held a passion for counseling, but it was his personal journey and salvation in the early 1990s that sparked his understanding of the struggles and doubts faced by those in ministry. Initially naive to the challenges within the church, Garrett dove headfirst into ministry work, only to discover that pastors and church leaders were not immune to their own personal battles. Determined to address these issues and create a healthier environment within the church, Garrett dedicated his career to counseling and supporting pastors and leaders on their own spiritual journeys. Through his work, he aims to foster a church culture where everyone can thrive and embrace the gospel without the burden of politics or pretense. <h2>Timestamped Overview</h2>[00:04:24] Elevated temptation for caregivers, pastors, leaders.[00:08:20] The dangers pastors face: fear, isolation, conflict.[00:10:09] Growing EQ, prioritizing truth, love, and wisdom. Pleasing God and man.[00:13:56] Loneliness and fear of judgment in leadership[00:17:12] Conviction from sin leads to growth.[00:22:34] Cross pollinization, trust, outside help, resilience, soul care.[00:25:40] Sermon preparation must deeply impact the preacher.[00:27:10] No need to go elsewhere in Scripture. Personal reflection leads to humility, sharing with others.[00:30:24] Effective by God&#39;s design: walk, withdraw, sharpen, refuel, return.[00:33:51] Marriage, kids, ministry, prayer walks - partnership.[00:38:51] Humility, accountability, and teachability essential for success.[00:40:43] Emptying oneself, humility, and the cross. <h2>Resources Mentioned in this Episode</h2>Coaching and training resources available through GCC: https://www.gccollective.orgTwelve Stones: https://twelvestones.org/

Garrett Higbee: Supporting Struggling Pastors

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In this bonus episode of The Bounce podcast, we have a fascinating conversation between Dave Harvey, the president of the Great Commission Collective, and Paul David Tripp. They delve into a challenging season of ministry that Dave experienced and discuss the important lessons he learned during that time. From relying on God&#39;s grace to navigating the complexities of organizational crises, Dave shares his insights and reflections as a pastor. This conversation offers encouragement and wisdom for pastors who have faced their own difficult seasons of ministry. Dave Harvey has been no stranger to challenges and organizational issues throughout his career in ministry. With over 41 years of marriage to his wife Kim, the past twelve years have been particularly unconventional and unprecedented for the couple. Prior to this period, Dave had already led a large church in the Philadelphia area, constantly dealing with the problems that arise when working with a congregation. However, around 2010 or 2011, the decibel level of challenges seemed to increase dramatically. The denomination that Dave was a part of faced intense scrutiny and their leader had to take a leave of absence. In this crisis, Dave was appointed as the interim president and chairman of the board to steer the organization through this tumultuous time. It was a crucial moment where someone needed to step up and take charge. <h2>Timestamped Overview</h2>[00:05:12] Leadership in crisis: unprepared, but trusting God&#39;s sovereignty.[00:08:33] Group split over different perspectives, navigating disagreement.[00:10:23] Recognize lack of control, trust decision-makers. Uphold principles during organization crises.[00:14:18] Breaking relationships, disagreement, protecting the church, personal sins.[00:20:39] Thinking about history shapes your identity as God&#39;s child. Accepting your weaknesses and God&#39;s grace fosters appreciation and hunger. Self-righteousness devalues grace and creates a false sense of arrival. Original sin undermines personal responsibility.[00:23:38] Sin distorts self-perception; need others&#39; voices.[00:26:12] Planting churches and connecting gospel-centered leaders. <h2>Resources Mentioned in this Episode</h2>Paul David Tripp&#39;s podcast: <a href="https://www.paultripp.com/podcast" rel="nofollow">https://www.paultripp.com/podcast</a>&#34;When Sinners Say I Do&#34; by Dave Harvey: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/When-Sinners-Say-Do-Discovering/dp/0976758261/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3QTKVXRSQULXR&keywords=%26%2334%3BWhen+Sinners+Say+I+Do%26%2334%3B+by+Dave+Harvey&qid=1696861256&sprefix=when+sinners+say+i+do+by+dave+harvey%2Caps%2C235&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/When-Sinners-Say-Do-Discovering/dp/0976758261</a>&#34;The Plurality Principle&#34; by Dave Harvey: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Plurality-Principle-Maintain-Thriving-Leadership" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Plurality-Principle-Maintain-Thriving-Leadership</a>&#34;Stronger Together: Seven Partnership Virtues and Devices That Subvert Them&#34; by Dave Harvey: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Stronger-Together-Partnership-Virtues-Exponential-ebook" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Stronger-Together-Partnership-Virtues-Exponential-ebook</a>

BONUS Dave Harvey: Leading Through Crisis

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In this episode, our host Bob Lepine sits down with special guest Jim Davis, pastor at Grace Church in Orlando and co-author of the book &#34;The Great Decurching&#34;. Get ready for an enlightening conversation as they discuss the significant religious shift happening in our country, specifically focusing on the phenomenon of &#34;Dechurching&#34;. What causes people to leave the church? How can pastors and church leaders effectively address this issue? Join us as we dive deep into understanding evangelicalism and exploring practical ways to minister in a changing landscape.Jim Davis is a man who understands the complexities of faith and the challenges that come with shifting beliefs. Drawing from his knowledge of the Bible, he recognizes the inevitability of having false prophets and individuals who may appear devout but lack a true connection to the kingdom. Jim&#39;s deep understanding leads him to believe that genuine faith comes from the regenerative power of the Holy Spirit. When considering the future of Christianity, Jim acknowledges that the children of those who have distanced themselves from the church, also known as the decurched, are likely to be unchurched themselves. However, he also makes a surprising discovery - many decurched individuals still hold orthodox beliefs. In fact, their adherence to orthodox teachings often surpasses that of the average churchgoer today. Through his insights and understanding, Jim Davis offers a unique perspective on faith, emphasizing the need for spiritual authenticity and recognizing the evolving landscape of Christianity.<h3>Quotes</h3>&#34;We can&#39;t just assume that everybody that&#39;s outside of the church is a weed or is harmful or is going to undermine the church. We actually have to believe the best in people and extend hospitality, but also address the destructive decisions and make sure that the church is aligned with God&#39;s intentions.&#34; - Jim Davis&#34;Deconstructing is a good word, but really what needs to happen is we need to deconstruct our own beliefs and figure out, &#39;Do they align with Scripture? Do they align with the traditions that we&#39;ve been a part of? Do they align with the wisdom of the ages?&#39; And not just think of ourselves as the ultimate epistemological authority, where we then judge Scripture and tradition and wisdom based on our own experiences and our own wisdom.&#34; - Jim Davis<h3>Timestamped Overview</h3>[00:09:11] 90s decurching: mainline churches &amp; political left. Non-Christians acknowledged freedom, thanks to 90s internet. Political polarization and extreme positions emerged. Deturching on secular right happening faster.[00:10:35] Three research phases identify religious shift patterns.[00:15:41] Ginger questions traditions, prioritizes personal experience.[00:19:08] &#34;Sociological factors impacting church attendance and belonging&#34;[00:20:42] Importance of decurching and its personal impact.[00:25:32] Fewer churches and Christians impact society greatly.[00:27:57] Machine learning identified five distinct groups including exvangelicals who have no desire to return. It&#39;s important to understand their stories and offer support.[00:32:30] Individual leaving gym class seeks fresh start. Mentioned moving back home. Editor suggests church for fresh start. Grateful response. Uncertain if she followed through.[00:36:17] Belief in best, avoiding extremes, backdoor.[00:39:40] Pastoring: defending, equipping, working, and achieving together.[00:41:56] Importance of adapting gospel and ministering effectively. <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode</h3>As In Heaven - Podcast hosted by Jim Davis, exploring how the kingdom of God intersects with various aspects of life. <a href="https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/podcasts/as-in-heaven/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/podcasts/as-in-heaven/</a>&#34;The Great Decurching&#34; by Jim Davis and Michael Graham - Explores the phenomenon of dechurching and the religious shift happening in the country. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310147433/" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310147433/</a>The Great Commission Collective - https://www.gccollective.org<h3> </h3>

Jim Davis: The Great Dechurching

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On this episode of The Bounce, Bob Lepine chats with Dr. Danny Hinton about his Ph.D. thesis on kids who remained committed to their faith after graduating high school and becoming disciple-makers. They discuss the current state of youth ministry, the importance of holistic development, and the need for churches to focus on equipping their existing congregation to spread their faith confidently. Dr. Hinton also mentions the Downline discipleship ministry, which has locations across the Midwest, and his unique challenge in finding churches and organizations that intentionally raise disciple-makers for his nationwide study. Additionally, they touch on the importance of apologetics, the role of parents vs. youth leaders in influencing young adults, and the challenges youth pastors face.Danny Hinton is an experienced youth pastor who witnessed 75% of church kids abandoning their faith by the end of their freshman year in college. He discovered that those who remained faithful did so because of an extraordinary family or personal discipleship. Realizing that this wasn&#39;t enough, Danny started defining the end goal of youth ministry as developing authentic relationships with Christ, understanding theology, resisting philosophical movements, and becoming disciple-makers. He then set out to find 18 to 29-year-old disciple makers in America, which was a difficult task. Danny wanted to contribute to the scholarly conversation. After conducting extensive research, he found that the real win for youth ministry is producing disciple-makers who share the gospel and disciple younger believers. <h3>Timestamped Overview</h3>[00:03:42] Church youth leaving faith at alarming rates.[00:07:38] Selected churches and organizations surveyed for discipleship study.[00:11:01] Family discipleship is not correlated with disciple-making.[00:15:36] Parents and living faith are influential in discipleship.[00:18:39] Mom and youth leader most influential, evangelism lacking.[00:21:51] Measuring authentic faith; launching point for adults.[00:25:09] Non-believers challenge church youth, meet a mentor.[00:30:17] Unlikely connections shape children&#39;s faith communities.[00:33:40] Apologetics is theology in practice.[00:39:02] Program focuses on equipping kids for ministry.[00:44:35] Tethering salvation to a tree brings growth.[00:47:07] Small group discusses passing on faith.[00:49:05] Fascinating conversation promoting lifelong discipleship. <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode</h3>1. The Great Commission Collective (GCC): https://gccollective.org2. Downline: <a href="https://www.downlinelittlerock.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.downlinelittlerock.com/</a>

Danny Hinton: Rethinking Next-Generation Ministry

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On this episode of The Bounce, Neil Shenvi explores the philosophical debate surrounding the problem of evil and God&#39;s role in defining morality. The speaker addresses &#34;defeater beliefs&#34; like the claim that evolution disproves God. Later, the episode delves into the importance of a historical Adam in the story of Christ and the doctrine of salvation. Additionally, the speaker discusses rational Christian apologetics and engaging with different audiences. Neil Shenvi graduated from Princeton with a spiritual outlook but without religious beliefs. He met his wife, Christina, there who was a devout Christian. After falling in love with her, he began attending church with her, where he met Christians who were intellectually advanced and forced him to consider whether Christianity was true. Reading C.S. Lewis&#39; &#34;Screwtape Letters&#34; repeatedly helped him understand Christianity and human nature. He struggled with questions about Christianity but Christina&#39;s admission that she didn&#39;t have all the answers showed him that she was worshipping a real God and not a God created by her. This led him to believe that Christianity might truly be the objective truth. <h3>Timestamped Overview</h3>[00:03:13] From doubter to believer: How I found Christianity.[00:12:55] &#34;The Gospel: A Rational Argument for Christianity&#34;[00:19:22] &#34;Debunking Evil: Is God to Blame?&#34;[00:23:42] &#34;Evolution and Evil Don&#39;t Disprove God: Reasons Why&#34;[00:32:31] &#34;The Importance of Historical Adam in Theology&#34;[00:36:59] Why More Evidence Will Not Change Hearts[00:41:27] &#34;Overcoming Cowardice in Spiritual Conversations: Tips&#34;[00:44:18] New book explores why critical theory conflicts with Christianity.[00:46:45] Controversial book explores critical theory and Christianity.[00:49:42] &#34;Biblical Critical Theory: A New Perspective?&#34; <h3>Resources Mentioned in this Episode</h3>Why Believe?: A Reasoned Approach to Christianity by Neil Shenvi: https://www.amazon.com/Why-Believe-Reasoned-Approach-Christianity/dp/1433579383Critical Dilemma: The Rise of Critical Theories and Social Justice Ideology―Implications for the Church and Society by Neil Shenvi and Pat Sawyer: https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Dilemma-Theories-Justice-Ideology_Implications/dp/073698870XThe Great Commission Collective (GCC) website: gccollective.orgBiblical Critical Theory: How the Bible&#39;s Unfolding Story Makes Sense of Modern Life and Culture: https://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Critical-Theory-Unfolding-Culture/dp/0310128722The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis: https://www.amazon.com/Screwtape-Letters-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652934

Neil Shenvi: Apologetics and Defending Your Faith

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On this episode of The Bounce, the focus is on the challenges of dealing with difficult people in churches. Jim Newheiser, director of the Christian counseling program at Reformed Theological Seminary in Charlotte, shares his insights on how pastors and church leaders can navigate these challenging situations. The podcast encourages pastors and gives them fresh energy to tackle ministry challenges. Bob Lepine, our host, also shares the importance of leaving a review for the podcast and listening to previous episodes. The episode looks at why apologetics are essential for pastors and training people to defend their faith. Overall, this podcast is produced by the Great Commission Collective, a group of churches committed to expanding the gospel by planting churches and strengthening leaders in local churches.Jim Newheiser is a church leader who has experienced the challenges of building community in smaller churches. He has witnessed people come to church expecting to find all the programs they need, but when faced with the reality of a smaller congregation, many simply complain and leave. Jim&#39;s approach to this problem is to empower church members to start their own ministries, as he did when a group of parents wanted a youth group for their children. While most of the families eventually left for churches with established programs, Jim&#39;s leadership demonstrates the importance of community building in even the smallest of churches.Timestamped Overview[00:09:56] Focus on pleasing God, not people. Trust God for satisfaction in ministry. Don&#39;t be dependent on people, be dependent on God.[00:12:52] Be submissive to church leaders and join a local church; refusal to join is like self-excommunication.[00:15:49] A speaker received unhelpful critiques after a conference, including suggestions to address different topics, and others&#39; opinions represented on behalf of groups. The COVID pandemic exacerbated divisions between church factions. Some attendees also criticize the pastor&#39;s compensation package.[00:22:08] People who leave the church can be difficult to resolve. It&#39;s best to wish them well and help them find another church where they&#39;ll be shepherded. Focus on taking care of those who want to be in the church, and leave those who leave to their own choices.[00:24:08] People who think they have a calling to ministry should be recognized by the church. God will tell the congregation if someone is called to preach. Frustrated individuals who pressure leaders to give them opportunities may not be trustworthy and it&#39;s important to get to know them first.[00:26:38] Maintaining church unity and purity is important, and a plurality of leadership can help deal with divisive people. The Bible provides guidance on correcting opposition with kindness and gentleness, and discipline may be necessary for sinfully divisive individuals. Pastors should avoid defending themselves excessively in these situations.[00:28:40] Church divisions over unimportant and secondary issues, with some individuals promoting heretical views and others being doctrinally divisive. The author suggests firm action, including asking for repentance or expulsion from the church.[00:36:53] Relying on wealthy donors can be both positive and negative for small struggling churches, as some may demand influence and abandon the church if they don&#39;t get their way, leaving pastors and congregations in a difficult situation.[00:38:54] Don&#39;t be surprised by suffering, watch over your own soul, recognize God is sovereign, protect your family, love your enemies, and focus on where God is working, not on trouble.[00:41:29] Reasons for leaving ministry: loss of Biblical qualifications, burnout, loss of desire, seeking wise counsel, untenable situations, family suffering. Endure through difficult times before making a sudden decision.Resources Mentioned in this EpisodeReform Theological Seminary in Charlotte: https://rts.eduNeil Shenvi&#39;s book &#34;Why Believe&#34;:<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Why-Believe-Reasoned-Approach-Christianity/dp/B0B4QNJGDJ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2ITD6BC4DQFKR&keywords=why+believe&qid=1684809160&sprefix=why+believe%2Caps%2C145&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Why-Believe-Reasoned-Approach-Christianity/dp/B0B4QNJGDJ</a>Great Commission Collective: https://gccollective.orgThe Gospel Coalition: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/9Marks: https://www.9marks.org/Acts 29 Network: https://www.acts29.com/Desiring God: https://www.desiringgod.org/Ligonier Ministries: https://www.ligonier.org/Gospel-Driven Church: https://www.gospeldrivenchurch.com/Gospel Project: https://www.gospelproject.com/Christianity Today: https://www.christianitytoday.com/The Gospel Coalition Podcast Network: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/podcasts/Together for the Gospel: https://t4g.org/ Banner of Truth: https://banneroftruth.org/us/Christian Counseling and Educational Foundation (CCEF): https://www.ccef.org/Biblical Counseling Coalition: https://biblicalcounselingcoalition.org/

Jim Newheiser: Handling Difficult People

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On this episode of The Bounce, we dive into the importance of mission and multiplication in local churches. We discuss how pastors need to share their vision with their congregations and identify gifted people to help with New Testament missions. Dave Harvey has been working in church planting for over three decades and has written a book that makes a case for partnerships between churches. We also explore the importance of sending away the best people to bring encouragement and nourishment to the local church. It&#39;s not about building a monument to a leader&#39;s legacy, but about flourishing in the season one is called to lead. Join us as we explore what it takes to extend the life cycle of the church and pass it on to the next generation.Dave Harvey is the president of Great Commission Collective, an organization with the mission to plant churches and strengthen leaders. He leads the organization&#39;s efforts to multiply leaders, elders, planters, churches, and networks. Their partnership with local churches goes beyond simply planting them, but also includes providing training, coaching, and care to pastors and leaders. With a focus on both planting and strengthening churches, Dave Harvey and his team are dedicated to the growth and development of the local church.&#34;We&#39;ve got to recognize that there are people that are gifted that way and not only identify and release them, but have the church recognize the beauty of that, the importance of that, and then how exciting it is that the church gets to be a part of that.&#34; - Dave Harvey Timestamped Overview[00:07:34] The importance of gifted people in local churches working together to fulfill the New Testament mission and the need for an understanding of the apostolic function in modern times.[00:11:39] Prioritizing local church doesn&#39;t mean exclusivity, but recognizing other ministries that result in and reproduce churches. These outside ministries must be accountable to a local church, but the church should recognize and release gifted individuals to be part of them.[00:14:42] Church health requires mission and a focus on something beyond the entity itself to thrive. Church planters often experience a shift in attention towards the church entity rather than mission. Multiplication and reproduction are essential for renewing the church and bringing in vital nutrients.[00:19:11] Churches have life cycles, and their longevity depends on multiplying and carrying out their mission. Leaders must come to terms with this and focus on flourishing in the present while preparing for the future.[00:22:06] Renewal through mission is crucial for extending the life and vitality of the church. Mission and sacrifice keep the dynamic of the church alive and prevent it from becoming sterile. Sending away best people encourages and nourishes the local church.[00:26:18] The text discusses the importance of multiplying disciples and passing on knowledge to others for multiplication to occur. The goal is to instill the idea of multiplication from the fundamental level of discipleship to the growth of a church.[00:28:41] The importance for pastors and elders to be convinced of the significance of church partnerships, and to lead the church through the process of considering and understanding the benefits that partnerships bring. This can be achieved by orienting the elders, discussing and looking at Scripture, and involving network representatives, before introducing the idea to the church in a preaching series or personal relationship.[00:32:14] Money is a way to express faith and commitment, but church planting is more effective in shaping culture and extending the life of the church through mission and multiplication. Planting qualified individuals and supporting them cultivates enthusiasm and excitement within the church community that transcends its local boundaries.[00:34:54] Quality of church life depends on giving and not just growth. Importance of training and sending leaders, and giving away ministry, money, and people for transformational impact and getting the gospel to the next generation.Resources Mentioned in this Episode&#34;Stronger Together&#34; by Dave Harvey: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Stronger-Together-Partnership-Virtues-Exponential/dp/0310140226" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Stronger-Together-Partnership-Virtues-Exponential/dp/0310140226</a>All Dave Harvey Books: <a href="https://revdaveharvey.com/books/" rel="nofollow">https://revdaveharvey.com/books/</a>&#34;The Pastor&#39;s Justification&#34; by Jared C. Wilson: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pastors-Justification-Applying-Christ-Ministry/dp/1433536641/" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Pastors-Justification-Applying-Christ-Ministry/dp/1433536641/</a>&#34;The Trellis and the Vine&#34; by Colin Marshall and Tony Payne: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Trellis-Vine-Colin-Marshall/dp/1925424669" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Trellis-Vine-Colin-Marshall/dp/1925424669</a>Northwood Church: <a href="https://northwood.church/" rel="nofollow">https://northwood.church/</a>- Website: Glocal.net&#34;The Art of Neighboring&#34; by Jay Pathak and Dave Runyon: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Art-Neighboring-Building-Genuine-Relationships/dp/080101459X" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Art-Neighboring-Building-Genuine-Relationships/dp/080101459X</a>The Great Commission Collective: https://gccollective.org

Dave Harvey: Stronger Together and the Importance of Partnerships in Extending the Life of the Church

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On this episode of The Bounce, host Bob Lepeen chats with Pastor Dean Insera about the importance of childlike faith and following Jesus on the journey toward becoming a true disciple. They discuss the meaning of repentance, the significance of developing healthy habits, and the role evangelism plays in disciple-making. They also touch on the topic of gender and sexuality from a biblical perspective. With a focus on empowering pastors to make disciples, this episode offers practical advice for cultivating a thriving Christian life, featuring helpful resources like Dean&#39;s Bible study &#34;Marks of a Disciple&#34; and his books on purity culture. Tune in to learn more about how to become an authentic disciple of Christ.Dean Inserra is a pastor and author based in Tallahassee, Florida. He is the pastor at City Church in Tallahassee and has written several books, including The Unsaved Christian and Purity. Dean&#39;s Bible study on the subject provides insight into what a healthy, thriving disciple of Christ looks like compared to a generic churchgoer. His book, The Unsaved Christian, discusses the difference between casual cultural Christianity and authentic biblical Christianity in our culture today. Dean&#39;s work and writing have made him a valuable resource in the world of church planting and strengthening pastors.Timestamped Overview[00:05:29] Being a faithful Christian involves following Jesus and not just having nominal cultural Christianity. Discipleship and evangelism are both important aspects of faith.[00:09:06] Don&#39;t mistake the secondary benefits of faith for the gospel itself. Jesus is not just a source of guidance or motivation, he is the savior and invites us to live with him.[00:10:38] Use material possessions as tools to lead people to Christ instead of emphasizing their temporary benefits. Forgiveness of sins and being reconciled with God through Christ is the primary need. Share personal experiences to connect with the person and point them towards the gospel.[00:14:13] The speaker apologizes for being on the phone and explains that the first marker of a healthy Christian life is a repentant life - not just at conversion, but constantly being aware of and turning away from sin. Repentance is necessary to understand the kindness, love, and holiness of God.[00:15:37] Regular repentance through prayer and confession, not playing &#34;attorney&#34; in our relationship with God, and listening to others&#39; feedback is important for believers to maintain the right pattern of life.[00:21:29] Discipleship is about cultivating healthy habits and routines, rather than solely focusing on authenticity and feelings. These habits should include prayer, reading the Bible, and attending church, which connect us to God&#39;s voice, ear, and body. There are no strict rules for when to engage in these habits, as long as they are practiced consistently.[00:24:10] Creating healthy habits in prayer and faith is important, like having a plan or reading plans/apps. We should value these habits as much as physical activities and not get caught up in trendy ideas about authenticity.[00:35:05] Rejecting gender and sexual norms is rejecting God as per the example in Romans 1. The Bible is clear on gender and sexuality, and rejecting them is rebelling against God. However, one can struggle with cultural immersion or family members who do not follow these norms. The Bible&#39;s teaching on gender and sexuality is as clear as love your neighbor and Jesus rising from the grave. Paul chose same-sex relations as an example of rebellion against God. Ultimately, our problem is a posture of rejecting God for what we want, not just in sexuality.[00:38:12] The speaker believes that incorporating evangelism as part of discipleship is important and that churches should prioritize creating a culture of inviting friends and celebrating baptism. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of evangelizing to the people we know, rather than just targeting atheists and agnostics.[00:41:51] Build relationships and trust with churches that prioritize caring for people and preaching the word over style. Ensure clean and friendly children&#39;s ministry and a welcoming environment. Avoid political and insensitive topics. Confidence in the whole experience is crucial for inviting others.Resources Mentioned in this Episode&#34;Marks of a Disciple&#34; by Dean Inserra: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Marks-Disciple-Bible-Measurements-Growth/dp/153597866X" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Marks-Disciple-Bible-Measurements-Growth/dp/153597866X</a>- City Church in Tallahassee (Dean&#39;s church): <a href="https://www.citychurchtallahassee.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.citychurchtallahassee.com/</a>- &#34;The Unsaved Christian&#34; by Dean Inserra: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unsaved-Christian-Reaching-Cultural-Christianity/dp/0802418805" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Unsaved-Christian-Reaching-Cultural-Christianity/dp/0802418805</a>- Bethlehem Seminary: <a href="https://bcsmn.edu/" rel="nofollow">https://bcsmn.edu/</a>- The Great Commission Collective (GCC): https://gccollective.org

Dean Inserra: Authentic Discipleship

A podcast on Pastoral Resiliency

For church planters, elders and pastors, we live in remarkable times. The demands upon church leaders are sky-high while the credibility of the church has suffered many blows. A pandemic, civil unrest, political polarization, church scandals—pastors and planters are weary and discouraged with the growing complexity of their call. They need engagement and encouragement —they need to remember why ministry is worth the cost; they need to know how to be resilient, how to bounce forward in such a season.

Hosted by Bob Lepine, in each episode you'll meet thought leaders and ministry veterans who are changing and advancing planting and pastoring through their passionate pursuit of Christ. Every guest you listen to, every topic you learn about, and every new idea you discover on this podcast will be aimed to help strengthen your resiliency so you can run long and finish well.