Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power is an investigative podcast exploring the rise of the Vineyard movement - from a humble network of churches to a sprawling global empire. Through in-depth research and firsthand accounts, this series examines how power, influence, and ambition shaped the movement&#39;s evolution, often at the expense of those who trusted it most. From its early days under John Wimber to its modern-day scandals, Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power uncovers the hidden costs of empire-building within evangelical Christianity and the well-meaning individuals caught in the crossfire.

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A quick update on the future of Spoiled Fruit.John shares what’s currently in development, including a new episode revisiting the events and stories covered in Season One and bringing listeners up to date on what has happened since.Then, Season Two will widen the lens beyond the Vineyard movement to explore evangelical Christianity in America at large — examining power, leadership, accountability, institutional culture, celebrity, and the systems that have shaped modern evangelicalism.John also introduces a new project currently in development: Who We Become, a podcast about life-changing moments and the people who emerge from them.If the human stories behind Spoiled Fruit have resonated with you, there’s a good chance you’ll connect with what comes next.Learn more and join the mailing list at thisiswhowebecome.com. Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

An Update on Spoiled Fruit - and What Comes Next

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While production continues on Season Two of Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power — which takes a broader look at evangelical movements beyond the Vineyard — John shares a full, uncut conversation with Pastor Doug Warburton, his own pastor and a leader within the ELCA Lutheran Church. In this episode, Pastor Doug offers valuable perspective from a tradition that’s been refining its systems of governance, accountability, and pastoral care for centuries. Together, John and Doug explore how institutional structure can be both protective and redemptive when it’s rooted in transparency, shared authority, and a deep respect for congregational voice. Doug also helps frame what healthy oversight looks like in contrast to the failures uncovered throughout Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power, showing how lessons learned from long-standing denominations might guide newer movements toward maturity and integrity. Pastor Doug Warburton serves within the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) and brings decades of experience in congregational leadership, pastoral care, and denominational governance. His insight offers a grounded, practical contrast to the free-church structures explored throughout Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power, highlighting what institutional wisdom can offer to movements still finding their way. <h4>About the Series</h4> Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power is an investigative series examining how good intentions within church movements can curdle into systems of power and silence. Season Two expands beyond the Vineyard to explore how these same dynamics appear across evangelicalism — and how faith communities can build healthier, more accountable futures. <h4>Follow &amp; Support</h4> Stay connected for updates on Season Two: <ul><li>Website: <a href="http:" rel="nofollow">spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="http:" rel="nofollow">@spoiledfruitpodcast</a></li><li>X / Twitter: <a href="http:" rel="nofollow">@spoiledfruitpod</a></li></ul> If you found this conversation meaningful, please rate, review, and share the episode — your support helps keep these stories alive and heard. Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Doug Warburton

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While Season Two of Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power is in production, John shares one of his full, uncut interviews — this time with Pastor Brian Metzger, one of the most outspoken critics of Vineyard USA’s handling of cases like Duluth Vineyard. In this candid and deeply personal conversation, Brian reflects on his years within the Vineyard Movement, what led him to speak out, and how his faith has evolved in the aftermath. Together, John and Brian discuss systemic leadership failures, accountability gaps, and the difficult balance between loyalty to a movement and loyalty to one’s convictions. Brian’s courage and clarity have made him a respected voice among those calling for reform, and this interview provides essential context for understanding how Vineyard USA’s internal culture allowed harm to persist unchecked. <h4>About the Guest</h4> Pastor Brian Metzger is a former Vineyard pastor and one of the most vocal advocates for transparency, justice, and reform within the movement. His willingness to speak publicly about systemic failures — and to stand with survivors — has made him a key voice in the broader conversation about accountability within modern evangelicalism. <h4>About the Series</h4> Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power investigates the rise, fall, and reckoning of the Vineyard Movement — and what its story reveals about evangelicalism as a whole. Season Two will expand the lens beyond the Vineyard, exploring how power, silence, and institutional loyalty shape movements across the broader church landscape. <h4>Follow &amp; Support</h4> Stay connected for updates on Season Two: <ul><li>Website: <a href="http:" rel="nofollow">spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="http:" rel="nofollow">@spoiledfruitpodcast</a></li><li>X / Twitter: <a href="http:" rel="nofollow">@spoiledfruitpod</a></li></ul> Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Brian Metzger

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Episode Summary:In this powerful and unfiltered conversation, former Vineyard pastor Melody Winderweedle shares her story of being quietly removed from leadership—not for misconduct, but for daring to lead with integrity, inclusion, and pastoral care. In the wake of a high-profile abuse scandal, Melody pushed for transparency, advocated for LGBTQ inclusion, and called out systems of control and exclusion. The response? Silence. Retaliation. And a door quietly closed behind her. Her story is not unique—but it is rarely told so publicly. This interview is part of a continuing effort to surface the voices that churches like to bury. We also contextualize this episode with recent developments at Duluth Vineyard—including internal concerns about new council appointments, allegations of spiritual coercion, power alignment, and a past relationship involving a minor. Despite public promises to be trauma-informed, the church’s actions suggest a troubling return to platforming loyalty over accountability. Meanwhile, when asked for comment, Vineyard USA National Director Jay Pathak declined to respond—deferring instead to regional leaders. Once again, responsibility is passed down rather than taken up. This is the first of two new interviews in this mini-series. The voices may have been pushed to the margins—but they are speaking louder than ever. Guest Bio:Melody Winderweedle is a current pastor and former Vineyard pastor. Known for her compassion, integrity, and spiritual leadership, Melody served faithfully until she was removed for supporting LGBTQ inclusion and speaking up about systemic issues within the church. She continues to advocate for safer, healthier expressions of Christian community. Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Melody Winderweedle

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Thank you to everyone who submitted questions! If you have additional questions not answered in this episode please send them to spoiledfruitpodcast@gmail.com or via our contact form on www.spoiledfruitpod.com Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

BONUS: Q&A

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In this full-length interview, Spoiled Fruit sits down with Ken Wilson, founding pastor of Vineyard Church of Ann Arbor and one of the movement&#39;s earliest and most respected leaders. For decades, Ken was known as a thoughtful, compassionate voice within the Vineyard - until he did something few pastors dared to do: publicly express support for LGBTQ+ inclusion. Despite years of faithful service, Ken was quietly pushed out, his legacy downplayed, and the church he founded taken over by those unwilling to even speak his name. This is the first time Ken has publicly shared the full story of how his journey with the Vineyard ended - not because he left, but because he was no longer welcome. Ken Wilson is the founding pastor of Vineyard Ann Arbor and the author of A Letter to My Congregation, a landmark book in the conversation around faith and LGBTQ+ inclusion. Recently retired from the ministry, Ken continues to write, teach, and advocate for a more expansive and inclusive expression of Christian faith. Resources &amp; Links: www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Ken Wilson

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In Part 2, JT Meyer recounts the aftermath of his decision to speak out. Despite his loyalty to the movement and attempts to engage in good-faith dialogue, JT was met with silence, isolation, and ultimately, exile from the Vineyard. He reflects on what he learned, the pastors who quietly supported him, and what a healthier, more just church could like. This is a powerful look at the human cost of speaking the truth - and the hope that remains on the other side. Content Warning: Includes themes of spiritual abuse, theological conflict, and pastoral isolation. Resources: www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: JT Meyer pt. 2

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In Part 1 of this two-part interview, former Vineyard pastor JT Meyer shares his journey into the Vineyard movement - from his early pastoral calling to his commitment to creating a more inclusive and honest spiritual community. JT walks us through the formative experiences that shaped his theology and pastoral style, and the growing tension he felt as he began advocating for LGBTQ+ inclusion within a system that demanded silence. This is a story of integrity, isolation, and the cost of refusing to compromise your values. Content Warning: This episode contains discussions about church exclusion, spiritual abuse, and LGBTQ+ marginalization. Resources &amp; Links:www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: JT Meyer pt. 1

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In this emotional and unfiltered interview, we hear from Heidi Anderson and her children - former members of Mile High Vineyard, led by current Vineyard USA National Director Jay Pathak. When two of Heidi&#39;s children bravely came forward to report abuse, they went to one of the people they felt safest with: their youth group leader. But that leader failed to immediately report. And instead of care or accountability, the church responded by protecting its own - funding legal support for the youth pastor and eventually removing the Anderson family from the community entirely. This conversation is about what happens when institutional preservation is prioritized over pastoral responsibility - and what it costs the families left behind. Content Warning: This episode contains discussions of sexual abuse, spiritual abuse, and institutional betrayal involving minors. Listener discretion is strongly advised. Resources &amp; Links: www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview - The Anderson Family

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In this powerful and eye-opening conversation, Dr. Paula Swindle helps us put words to the pain many have experienced but struggled to name. A scholar, psychologist, and trauma-informed spiritual care provider, Dr. Swindle brings deep insight into how religious systems - like Vineyard USA - can engage in spiritual bypass, silence dissent, and retraumatize survivors in the name of unity or divine authority. We talk about how spiritual abuse often masquerades as &#34;pastoral care,&#34; why some institutions confuse conflict avoidance with peacekeeping, and how survivors are often labeled as &#34;gossips&#34; or &#34;divisive&#34; simply for telling the truth. If you&#39;ve ever been made to feel like you&#39;re the problem for questioning abusive systems - this conversation is for you. Guest Bio: Paula Swindle is a licensed clinical mental health counselor/supervisor, an associate professor of counseling and the Hickory campus program coordinator for the counseling program.Swindle’s more than 24 years of clinical work includes founding and providing counseling and consultation through the Center for Healing Religious Harm, youth and family therapy, private practice, inpatient and partial psychiatric services and designing and implementing mental health programs in medical settings such as cardiac rehabilitation, pulmonary rehabilitation and oncology services. She is passionate about interdisciplinary work in medical settings.She serves as Vice President of the Catawba Valley Association of Counselors and Therapists and provides clinical supervision services for provisionally licensed counselors in North Carolina. Her research interests include counseling in medical settings and counseling and spirituality, particularly in religious abuse. She is also a co-host of the podcast “Sacred Intersections” with local pastor Reverend Jill Isola, which focuses on the intersection between religion and mental health, particularly in the area of religious trauma and spiritual abuse. Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Dr. Paula Swindle

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In the season finale of Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power, we examine the final stage of Vineyard USA&#39;s transformation from grassroots revival to centralized authority. This chapter traces how real crisis - like the abuse scandal in Duluth - were used to justify a long-planned internal reorganization, giving a small group of leaders near-total control of the movement.We explore how spiritual bypassing, gaslighting, and vague accusations of &#34;gossip&#34; were used to silence dissenters. Through the insights of Dr. Paula Swindle and Pastor Doug Warburton, we define these patterns for what they are: psychological and spiritual manipulation.We honor the survivors - especially those in Duluth - and remember the young woman who lost her life. Because this story is about more than bylaws and policy. It&#39;s about people.We conclude with a call to Vineyard&#39;s largest churches. If even a few demand change, the future could look different. But with 90% of churches already signed onto the new structure, the silence is deafening. Is this the version of Vineyard you still want? Content Warning: This episode discusses spiritual abuse, systemic retraumatization, and suicide. Listen discretion is advised. Call to Action:Share this episode.Contact your local Vineyard pastor.Demand Accountability.Call local and national media and ask them to pick up this story. Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Chapter 8: The God Card - Power, Control, and the Death of Accountability

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This is the full interview with Mandy Cavoto who, along with her husband Matt, were a part of the worship team at Mile High Vineyard in Denver, Colorado. Many opens up about the spiritual abuse, the patterns of manipulation, and gaslighting she experienced there. She also reflects on her deep grief for the community she once loved, the cost of staying silent, and what healing has looked like in the aftermath. This conversation is raw, unflinching look at what happens when loyalty is weaponized and vulnerable staff members are left without protection or support. Whether you&#39;ve been following the story or are just tuning in, Mandy&#39;s story provides essential insight into the systemic failures explored throughout Spoiled Fruit. Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of emotional, spiritual, and institutional abuse, as well as references to traumatic experiences within faith communities. Listener discretion is advised. For resources go to www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com/resources Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Mandy Cavoto

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In this extended interview, former Vineyard pastor Reagan Waggoner shares his deeply personal journey from trusted leader to outspoken critic of Vineyard USA&#39;s handling of spiritual abuse, institutional accountability, and the controversial ReOrg process. Reagan candidly discusses: <ul><li>The troubling dynamics he observed in Vineyard&#39;s national leadership</li><li>His direct challenges to Jay Pathak and the chilling response</li><li>The emotional toll of being investigated for asking difficult questions</li><li>Why transparency, repentance, and reform matter more than institutional perservation</li></ul> This conversation pulls back the curtain on a movement in crisis - and a leader who chose truth over silence, even at great personal cost. Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of spiritual abuse, institutional betrayal, and emotional distress. Listener discretion is advised. Legal Disclaimer: The views expressed in this interview are those of the speaker and do not necessarily reflect the position of this podcast or its producers. All individuals mentioned are presumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law. Resources Mentioned: <ul><li>Spoiled Fruit Website: www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com </li><li>ReOrg Memo Analysis: </li><li>Guidpost Report Summary: </li></ul> Follow us on: Instagram: @spoiledfruitpodTikTok: @spoiledfruitpodcastEmail us: spoiledfruitpodcast@gmail.com Subscribe, rate, and share to help bring these stories to light. Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Reagan Waggoner

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Chapter 7: Crisis as Currency — How Vineyard Leveraged Collapse to Consolidate Power Content Warning: This episode includes references to spiritual abuse, institutional manipulation, and suicide. Listener discretion is advised.In Chapter 7, we examine how Vineyard USA used crisis—real and perceived—to reshape its power structures under the banner of reform. As major scandals unfolded in Duluth and Anaheim, national leaders capitalized on the chaos to push through a sweeping reorganization process known simply as the “ReOrg.” We trace National Director Jay Pathak’s rise to power, exploring how his formation under leaders like Rich Nathan and Michael Gatlin shaped his leadership style—and how patterns of control, suppression of dissent, and spiritual bypassing followed him into his national role. We also break down:•	The striking similarities between the 2020 internal ReOrg memo and the Guidepost Solutions assessment used later to justify structural change.•	How a flawed survey, a narrow assessment scope, and a potentially compromised investigator created the illusion of consensus.•	Why many pastors now believe the ReOrg wasn’t just reform—it was a strategic seizure of control, engineered by those already in power. Finally, we ask: what happens when a movement founded on revival becomes obsessed with survival? And who pays the price when reform is built on the backs of the abused? 💬 Connect:•	💻 Website: <a href="http://spoiledfruitpodcast.com" rel="nofollow">spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a>•	📧 Email: spoiledfruitpodcast@gmail.com•	📱 Instagram / TikTok / X: @spoiledfruitpod 📰 Media inquiries and tips: Contact John Williamson at <a href="mailto:spoiledfruitpodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">spoiledfruitpodcast@gmail.com</a> Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Chapter 7: Crisis as Currency

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📄 Show Notes:In this episode of Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power, John sits down with Tom and Adey Wassink—former Vineyard pastors who led a thriving congregation in Iowa until their decision to fully affirm LGBTQ+ people placed them at odds with national leadership. Their story is one of love, loss, resilience, and rebirth. In this powerful conversation, they speak candidly about the painful process of being pushed out of the Vineyard Movement, the courage it took to stand by their convictions, and the unexpected beauty they found on the other side. Tom and Adey are also the authors of the newly released book, Sanctuary: Queering a Church in the Heartland—a deeply personal and theologically rich memoir that explores what it means to create truly inclusive sacred spaces. 💬 Topics covered:– Their call to create an inclusive church– The reaction from Vineyard leadership– How their congregation responded– Building a sanctuary outside the system– What it costs to live out affirming faith in the evangelical world– Insights from Sanctuary and hopes for the future 📚 Grab the book:Sanctuary: Queering a Church in the Heartland is available now wherever books are sold. Like the music used in this episode? The song you heard is &#34;You Must Go&#34; by Forrest Clay from the Recover EP. It&#39;s available anywhere you find your music! 🔗 Connect:Visit <a href="http://spoiledfruitpodcast.com" rel="nofollow">spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a> for more information, transcripts, and related resources. 📢 Don’t forget to rate, review, and share the show—especially if this episode resonates with your own journey. Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Adey & Tom Wassink

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Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power🎧 Listen now wherever you get your podcasts🔗 <a href="http://www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com" rel="nofollow">www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a> What happens when pastors stay committed to a movement that no longer wants them? In this episode, we hear directly from former Vineyard pastors who sought to create churches that were fully welcoming and affirming of LGBTQ individuals—only to find themselves pushed out, marginalized, or erased. We begin with Ken Wilson, founding pastor of Vineyard Church of Ann Arbor, whose decision to become publicly affirming marked a seismic shift in his relationship with the movement he helped build. We also hear from JT Meyer, Melody Winderweedle, and Tom &amp; Adey Wasink, all of whom paid a steep personal and professional price for choosing integrity over silence. Each of their stories is different. But the pattern is the same: pastors who tried to make room for everyone… were quietly shown the door. This chapter explores the tension between theology, community, and control—and what it costs to be inclusive in a system designed to shut the conversation down. Special thanks to our guests:🙏 Ken Wilson – for his honesty, clarity, and willingness to finally tell his side of the story🙏 JT Meyer – for his courage in navigating a public reckoning with grace🙏 Melody Winderweedle – for sharing her journey with insight and vulnerability🙏 Tom &amp; Adey Wasink – for their transparency, compassion, and continued work building a faith community rooted in love 📚 Learn more about the Wasinks’ journey and their new book, Permission to be Queer and Christian: A Path to Wholeness, available now through https://www.amazon.com/Sanctuary-Queering-Heartland-Adey-Wassink/dp/1641801859 🗣️ If this episode resonates with you, please rate, review, and share the podcast.🎙️ Join the conversation at <a href="http://www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com" rel="nofollow">www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a> or on Instagram @spoiledfruitpod. Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Chapter 6: Love the Sinner, Silence the Pastor

🎙️ Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power – Bonus Episode “A Call for Repentance: Asa Harting on Duluth, Accountability, and the Path Forward” Episode Summary:In this special bonus episode, we sit down with Asa Harting, a former pastor at Duluth Vineyard, who served faithfully for nearly two decades. Asa speaks candidly about what he witnessed behind the scenes as warning signs emerged, trust was eroded, and a community was shaken by revelations of abuse, cover-up, and leadership failure. But this conversation is not about blame—it’s about a plea. Asa shares his heartfelt desire to see repentance, healing, and genuine restoration—not just for the victims, but for the Vineyard movement as a whole. With clarity and humility, he discusses his personal journey, why transparency matters, and what it will take for churches and leaders to truly rebuild trust. This episode is a raw and redemptive look at what happens after the spotlight fades—and the long work of accountability begins. Content Warning: This episode includes discussion of spiritual abuse and institutional failure.🎧 Listen Now On:Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Amazon | <a href="https://www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com" rel="nofollow">spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a>🔗 Related Links:	•	<a href="https://www.netgrace.org" rel="nofollow">GRACE Report Executive Summary (PDF)</a>	•	<a href="https://www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com/ep2" rel="nofollow">Episode 2 – “Metrics Over Mission” (Duluth Deep Dive)</a>	•	<a href="https://duluthvineyard.org" rel="nofollow">Duluth Vineyard’s public statements</a> 💬 Join the Conversation:Have thoughts on this episode? Want to share your story?Reach us at spoiledfruitpodcast@gmail.com or visit the contact form at <a href="https://www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com" rel="nofollow">spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a>.📢 Support the Show:	•	Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts	•	Share this episode on social media	•	Follow us on Instagram, TikTok, and X @spoiledfruitpod Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Asa Harting

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🎙️ Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power – Chapter 5: “The Appearance of Change” After years of warning signs, three independent investigations were launched—GRACE, Trusted HR, and Guidepost Solutions—each tasked with uncovering what went wrong in churches like Duluth Vineyard and Causeway Coast Vineyard, and within Vineyard USA itself. In Chapter 5, we take a closer look at what these investigations found, what they recommended, and how the churches and national leadership responded… or didn’t. We compare the actions taken by Duluth, Coleraine, Vineyard USA, and Vineyard UK &amp; Ireland—and ask whether the reforms put in place are truly meaningful or simply cosmetic. We also examine the new bylaws, employee handbook, conflict of interest policy, dating policy, and child protection policy that Vineyard pastors have been asked to sign. What protections are missing? Who holds the power now? And what happens when churches—like Ann Arbor, Duluth, and Raleigh—begin to push back? ⚠️ Content Warning:This episode includes detailed discussion of spiritual, emotional, and sexual abuse, and the mishandling of misconduct in church settings. It may also include strong language. Listener discretion is advised. 🛑 Legal Disclaimer:The views and experiences shared in this podcast are those of the individuals interviewed and do not necessarily reflect the official position of any organization, past or present. This podcast is for storytelling and informational purposes only and should not be interpreted as legal, clinical, or professional advice. If you or someone you know has experienced abuse in a faith-based setting, we encourage you to seek support from qualified professionals and survivor-advocacy resources.🙏 Special Thanks: Thank you to our guests in this chapter:Ryan Bauers, Kris Sauter, Brian Metzger, and JT Meyer,whose honesty, vulnerability, and willingness to speak up make this series possible. 🔗 Stay Connected: Subscribe and follow Spoiled Fruit wherever you get your podcasts.Visit: <a href="http://www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com" rel="nofollow">www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a>Follow us on social: @spoiledfruitpodExclusive content available soon for subscribers. 🎙️ Credits: Written and Hosted by: John WilliamsonProduced by: John Williamson Productions, LLC Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Chapter 5: The Fine Print of Obedience

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📍 Episode Summary:In this episode of Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power, host John interviews Rebecca Hopkins, an investigative journalist renowned for her in-depth reporting on abuse and misconduct within evangelical churches. Rebecca discusses the challenges of investigating religious institutions, the patterns of abuse she has uncovered, and the importance of accountability in faith communities. 🔗 Resources &amp; Further Reading:•	Rebecca Hopkins’ Articles on Religion Unplugged: Explore her investigative pieces on various religious institutions and figures.•	<a href="https://religionunplugged.com/news/2025/4/22/michael-brown-engaged-in-sexually-abusive-misconduct-report-says" rel="nofollow">Apologist Michael Brown Engaged in ‘Sexually Abusive Misconduct,’ Report Says</a>•	<a href="https://religionunplugged.com/news/tag/IHOPKC" rel="nofollow">Pastoral Team Urges IHOPKC Founder Mike Bickle Banned from ‘Public Ministry’</a>•	Rebecca Hopkins’ Reporting on MinistryWatch: Investigative reports on church networks and leadership accountability.•	<a href="https://ministrywatch.com/churches-are-leaving-the-network-led-by-steve-morgan/" rel="nofollow">Churches are Leaving the ‘Network’ Led by Steve Morgan</a> 🧠 Key Topics Discussed:•	The role of investigative journalism in uncovering abuse within religious institutions.•	Challenges faced when reporting on powerful religious figures and organizations.•	The importance of independent media in holding faith communities accountable.•	Insights into the patterns of misconduct within evangelical movements. 📣 Connect with Rebecca Hopkins:•	LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-hopkins-b523aa189" rel="nofollow">Rebecca Hopkins</a> 📬 Stay Connected:•	Subscribe to Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power: Stay updated with the latest episodes and discussions.•	Follow us on Social Media: Engage with our community and share your thoughts. ⚖️ Legal Disclaimer:The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the guest and host and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any affiliated organization or institution. All individuals mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. While every effort has been made to verify the information shared in this episode, listeners are encouraged to do their own research and draw their own conclusions. This episode may discuss allegations of abuse, misconduct, or other sensitive topics. Listener discretion is advised. Nothing in this episode should be construed as legal advice. If you or someone you know has experienced abuse or misconduct, we encourage you to seek support from qualified professionals or legal counsel. Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Rebecca Hopkins

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🎙️ Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power – Full Interview: Spencer KuvínIn this special bonus episode, we share the full, unedited interview with Spencer Kuvín, the Florida-based attorney representing multiple victims in the ongoing civil litigation connected to Duluth Vineyard, Vineyard USA, Michael and Brenda Gatlin, and Jackson Gatlin.Spencer brings not only deep legal insight to the conversation, but also years of experience advocating for survivors in nationally significant abuse cases—including clients connected to Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Cosby.In this wide-ranging conversation, Spencer discusses:•	How early warning signs were ignored•	What the legal case reveals about institutional patterns of protection•	Why survivors so often face retaliation when they speak up•	And what true accountability in a faith-based system might actually requireThis interview offers essential context for understanding the legal and structural failures at the heart of this story—and what it means for the Vineyard movement and beyond. ⚠️ Content Warning:This episode includes discussion of sexual abuse, spiritual abuse, emotional trauma, and ongoing legal proceedings involving high-profile defendants. It may also contain strong language. Listener discretion is advised. 🛑 Legal Disclaimer:The views and experiences shared in this episode reflect those of the individuals interviewed and do not necessarily represent the official position of any organization, past or present. This podcast is intended for informational and storytelling purposes only and should not be interpreted as legal, clinical, or professional advice. If you or someone you know has experienced abuse in a religious or institutional context, please seek support from licensed professionals and survivor-centered organizations. 🙏 Special Thanks:We extend our deepest thanks to Spencer Kuvín for his transparency, time, and advocacy on behalf of survivors. 🔗 Stay Connected:For more full-length interviews and bonus content, subscribe to Spoiled Fruit: Faith &amp; Power wherever you get your podcasts.Visit: <a href="http://www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com" rel="nofollow">www.spoiledfruitpodcast.com</a>Follow us on Instagram, TikTok, and X (formerly Twitter): @spoiledfruitpod Exclusive content is available for subscribers and supporters. 🎙️ Credits: Guest: Spencer Kuvín, Esq.Written and Hosted by: John WilliamsonProduced by: John Williamson Productions, LLC Support this podcast at — <a rel='payment' href='https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content'>https://redcircle.com/spoiled-fruit-faith-and-power/exclusive-content</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Full Interview: Attorney Spencer T. Kuvin Esq.

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Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power is an investigative podcast exploring the rise of the Vineyard movement - from a humble network of churches to a sprawling global empire. Through in-depth research and firsthand accounts, this series examines how power, influence, and ambition shaped the movement's evolution, often at the expense of those who trusted it most. From its early days under John Wimber to its modern-day scandals, Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power uncovers the hidden costs of empire-building within evangelical Christianity and the well-meaning individuals caught in the crossfire.