- 260: Mississippi Youth Pastor Arrested, Evangelist Behind Bars, and Other Updates from the IFB
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On today's episode, I'm breaking down a couple of headlines of abuse within the Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement, giving some expanded thoughts on Jill Duggar's book Counting the Cost, and sharing a really fascinating portion of my conversation with a Bob Jones University graduate I encountered on my other podcast, Film School'd.
SOURCES REFERENCED:
Nic Corl: https://jimspub.riversidesheriff.org/cgi-bin/iisinfo.acu?bkno=202337728G
Conner Coleman Arrest: https://www.leader-call.com/news/free_news/youth-minister-charged-with-molestation/article_fa9ac5a4-5402-11ee-b413-8ba0675540a3.html
Benjamin Garlick Arrest: https://www.wgnsradio.com/article/83231/evangelist-guest-pastor-at-a-variety-of-churches-arrested-on-multiple-rape-of-a-child-charges-in-murfreesboro
Timeline of David Hyles' alleged abuses: https://www.preacherboyspodcast.com/david-hyles-update-the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same
FULL INTERVIEW WITH NICK MATTHEWS ON THE FILM SCHOOL'D PODCAST: https://youtu.be/AwFnWnSLbTo
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Prepare for an intimate and inspiring evening of storytelling, song, poetry, and art featuring a diverse line-up of thriving survivors…
The 1st Annual Story Jam is happening in St. Louis!
Be they cults, high-demand groups, organizations or companies, spiritually abusive churches or families, or high-control schools or programs, our stories can shed light on the dynamics that held us captive.
If you have been involved in a “power over” abusive environment and are willing to listen to cautionary tales and miraculous misadventures (miraculous because we got out and survived!), we hope you’ll join us for an intimate evening of creative performances by fellow cult survivors and advocates!
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For the first time, discover the unedited truth about the Duggars, the traditional Christian family that captivated the nation on TLC’s hit show 19 Kids and Counting. Jill Duggar and her husband Derick are finally ready to share their story, revealing the secrets, manipulation, and intimidation behind the show that remained hidden from their fans.
Jill and Derick knew a normal life wasn’t possible for them. As a star on the popular TLC reality show 19 Kids and Counting, Jill grew up in front of viewers who were fascinated by her family’s way of life. She was the responsible, second daughter of Jim Bob and Michelle’s nineteen kids; always with a baby on her hip and happy to wear the modest ankle-length dresses with throat-high necklines. She didn’t protest the strict model of patriarchy that her family followed, which declares that men are superior, that women are expected to be wives and mothers and are discouraged from attaining higher education, and that parental authority over their children continues well into adulthood, even once they are married.
But as Jill got older, married Derick, and they embarked on their own lives, the red flags became too obvious to ignore.
For as long as they could, Jill and Derick tried to be obedient family members—they weren’t willing to rock the boat. But now they’re raising a family of their own, and they’re done with the secrets. Thanks to time, tears, therapy, and blessings from God, they have the strength to share their journey. Theirs is a remarkable story of the power of the truth and is a moving example of how to find healing through honesty.
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➡️ My appearance on the Surviving Bob Jones University Podcast: https://bit.ly/3LrOfQi
➡️ 30 Days of Courage (FREE Virtual Event for Survivors): https://www.courage365.org/thirty
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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy38m | Sep 17, 2023 - 257: How Bob Jones University Treats Survivors | Erin Burchwell
Erin Burchwell is a Columbus, Ohio-based florist, designer and illustrator. She grew up as a faculty kid on the campus of Bob Jones University, an extremely conservative Christian college known for its strict rules and controversial beliefs. In 2014, Erin interviewed with GRACE, an independent ombudsman who reviewed the University’s mishandling of sexual assault reports. She and others chose to break their anonymity in the report when the school fired the GRACE team.
Erin manages her own floral business specializing in events, décor and commissioned murals. Some of her work was recently featured online by Architectural Digest this year. She has illustrated three children’s picture books about Ohio and enjoys visiting schools and teaching students about publishing.
Erin’s commitments extend well beyond her business. She is a dedicated volunteer teacher and fundraiser for many organizations including nursing homes, women’s prisons, after-school programs, and children’s museums. She lives with her husband, Jason, her daughter Gracie, and two dogs, Fred and Mose.
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Growing up the eldest daughter in a large, highly controlled, fundamentalist Christian household, Jessica Willis was groomed to perform and conform to her father's disturbing and chaotic teachings. Cut off from anything unapproved by her father, Jessica was persistently curious about the outside world, always wondering what was normal or potentially dangerous about her upbringing.
When the Willis family rocketed into fame after their appearances on multiple televised talent competitions in 2014, Jessica and her family landed their own reality TV show and toured across the globe, singing and dancing for millions. The world loved this beautiful family of kids; young and vivacious, the Willis's presented themselves to be extraordinary and happy. But the older and wiser Jessica got, the more she had to face that what was going on behind closed doors would forever be escalating.
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North Love Baptist Church is embroiled in a scandal involving over thirty allegations of sexual abuse. The accusations span across various ministries, including North Love Christian School and Reformers Unanimous. Pastor and co-founder Paul Kingsbury, who led the ministry for decades, resigned amid public outcry in 2021.
While not directly named in the lawsuits, Kingsbury's role in the mishandling of these allegations is under scrutiny.
In a surprising turn of events, Kingsbury has now partnered with David Hyles, a figure with a controversial past in the Baptist community.
Watch as we delve into the shocking details and explore the new ministry announced by Kingsbury and Hyles.
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Past Preacher Boys Coverage:
Rockford Register Star | November 19, 2021:
Paul Kingsbury + David Hyles Announcement:
Harvest Baptist Church + Pastor Marvin Smith:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3bVHY_fIafXKWxdKUqi35Qv5z1bNlBv4
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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy18m | Aug 26, 2023 - 254: JON SNOW | Actor & Advocate Talks Healing After the Trauma of Abuse
[This interview was recorded prior to the SAG-AFTRA strike.]
Jon Snow is an actor and writer, but he is first and foremost the survivor of both a cult and of sexual abuse.
Raised primarily in St. Louis, Missouri, Jon ran away from home and the cult when he was just 17 years old, between his junior and senior years of high school. The cult, the sexual assault, and the physical abuse endured by his mother left Jon feeling powerless. A young man without a voice.
Not long after running away, acting came calling in the form of a mostly paid-for tuition at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas. But even that was no walk in the park. He promptly failed out of college during his freshman year, after which he sheepishly returned to St. Louis.
Four years later, Jon returned to Dallas, and SMU, determined to pursue acting. Initially, he was rejected on the grounds that the theatre department did see enough evidence of growth. Not to be deterred, Jon fought for his spot and was readmitted to the acting program, graduating in 2002 with a BFA in Acting. Next came the move to Los Angeles and the pursuit of the Hollywood dream.
But 15 years later, without much to show for an acting career, Jon realized he'd only been running away from his past, and that if he ever wanted the future he dreamed of, then something had to change.
Through hustle and hard work, Jon was able to find a coveted position as a reader for multiple casting offices around Los Angeles. And now, having been a participant in over 10,000 auditions to date, he has started teaching other actors the insights he has gleaned during his time as a reader.
Today, Jon's larger mission is to continue to find ways to deepen the connection to his voice and to reach back out to those who feel powerless, voiceless, alone, and afraid. Having walked that path, Jon can think of no better way than to shine a light in the darkness for others to follow. Even if it's just a single person, he knows it's all well worth the effort.
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01:22:20 – On August 1st, Robert Lazzell, former principal of First Baptist School and a deacon at First Baptist Church, was sentenced to 12 years in prison after pleading guilty to Criminal Sexual Assault against former student Michael Young. It’s important to note that Lazzell is the third prominent former staff member to be charged with sexual crimes against minors since the late 90s.
02:35:20 – The Kenosha County Eye reports that in the early morning of August 10th at a Somers Walmart, an individual was reportedly observed fully naked, standing next to a black truck, masturbating. The Kenosha County Sheriff's Department made an arrest and the individual was later identified as 57-year-old Pastor Thomas Bartmer.
Thomas Bartmer, as per his website (which has now been largely wiped) has been a pastor at Lighthouse Church in Antioch, IL. His journey into the ministry began with a Lutheran upbringing, and his history is marked by his involvement in various churches, where he held leadership roles, including teaching, preaching, and working with community programs. He began Lighthouse Baptist Church on Sept 6th, 1997, and on March 27th, 1999, Lighthouse constituted as a self-sustaining church and was granted official membership in the Illinois Baptist State Association and the Southern Baptist Convention.
04:16:21 – News3 reports:
“Robert Stine, 60, faces two felony charges of first-degree child sex assault - sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 13, online court records show.
In July, Pastor Stine of Midvale Baptist Church had his license revoked for operating the church's Kid's Best child care facility in June. This action followed an inquiry by the Wisconsin Department of Children and Families and the Madison Police Department.
A young girl reported that Stine assaulted her on three separate occasions.
07:14:21 – There is no shortage of unhelpful commentary and discourse surrounding clergy abuse.
This week I caught wind of two particularly terrible examples from higher-profile voices adjacent to the IFB.
One was from Shelly Hamilton – wife of the late Ron Hamilton, who created the popular Patch the Pirate children’s character.
The other was from Ken Schaap's Podcast: https://youtu.be/Pi5xIcOn4RQ
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We are back, and taking some time to reflect on almost three years of Preacher Boys - a journey that’s been equal parts rewarding and difficult.
Huge shout out to my friend and the PB Discussion Group mod, Michael McNeilly, for hopping on this one.
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Survivor Prom is an unforgettable experience put together by Survivors of the Troubled Teen Industry.
Every year thousands of children are taken out of the safety and comfort of their homes and transported into congregate care facilities, often labeled "Troubled Teen" facilities. Survivors of these programs report horrific emotional, psychological, and physical abuse. And in addition to mourning what they experienced INSIDE the program, Survivors also mourn the experiences they were robbed of during the most formidable and impactful years of their lives.
Survivor Prom is Prom. It's a party. Thrown in honor of adults who have endured so much, that they may reclaim just one small part of their teenage dream.
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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy48m | Apr 23, 2023 - 250: Lauren Eggers | Overcoming Shame After Assault
In this episode of the Preacher Boys podcast, host Eric talks to Lauren Eggers about her experiences growing up in the Independent Fundamental Baptist church.
While Lauren's early experiences in the IFB church were largely positive, she started to discover that the world around her was far from perfect.
In this episode, we talk about:
– attending Hyles Anderson College after the Schaap incident
– the failure of the "Jericho Program"
– the severe expectations on women in the IFB
– Lauren's traumatic experience with a man who disregarded her wishes and took advantage of her, and the difficulty of sharing that with others.
I appreciate Lauren bravely sharing her story and I know it will encourage all who listen!
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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy48m | Apr 16, 2023 - 249: Sheila Gregoire Asked 7,000 Women How Toxic Church Teaching Affected Them
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Armed with data from an all-new survey of over 7,000 women, the authors of The Great Sex Rescue reveal how experiences in church as teens affect women's self-esteem and relationships today. They expose common evangelical teachings that can backfire--the purity emphasis that can cause shame rather than good choices, the dating rules that can prime your daughter for abuse, and the one overarching belief that can keep her from setting healthy boundaries.
Instead, the authors advocate biblically grounded, freeing messages that are more about the dos and less about the don'ts. By reframing (and sometimes replacing) common evangelical messages to teen girls, this book will equip you to raise a daughter who can navigate the tumultuous teenage years while still clinging tightly to Jesus.
You can raise your daughter with the discernment to resist toxic teachings. Because she deserves better than a faith that keeps her small.
Sheila Wray Gregoire is the face behind BareMarriage.com, an award-winning author, and a sought-after speaker. Rebecca Gregoire Lindenbach is a psychology graduate, Sheila's daughter, and the author of Why I Didn't Rebel. Joanna Sawatsky has a master's degree in public health and is a trained microbiologist, epidemiologist, and biostatistician.
Together they are the coauthors of The Great Sex Rescue and She Deserves Better.
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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy40m | Apr 9, 2023 - 248: Bob Jones University Chairman of the Board Resigns
In episode #246, we discussed the resignation of Dr. Steve Pettit, president of Bob Jones University in South Carolina.
Pettit took office in 2014, a year after a GRACE report that revealed how the college's leadership had mishandled numerous cases of abuse that occurred both on and off campus.
Survivors claimed that in cases that took place at the school, proper authorities were not notified, and in many cases, victims in counseling at BJU were blamed for bringing the abuse on themselves.
Many people hoped that Pettit's appointment would bring about much-needed change. However, on March 31, 2023, almost nine years after taking office, Pettit resigned from BJU.
Just a few days before his resignation, he wrote a five-page letter that revealed several concerning issues about Dr. John Lewis, Chairman BJU's board of trustees.
Pettit accused Lewis of holding off-site secret meetings without informing key university leadership, adopting a posture of secrecy and hostility toward the board and the administration. He also claimed that Lewis interfered with the reporting of a sexual harassment case to the school's designated Title IX coordinator, among other things. Pettit threatened to resign if Lewis remained in office.
In a surprising turn of events, on April 6, Dr. John Lewis tendered his resignation as well.
Dr. Steve Pettit (whose official final day at BJU is May 5th) issued a statement regarding Lewis’ resignation, saying,
“Late this afternoon, I was notified that Bob Jones University Board of Trustees Chairman Dr. John Lewis has resigned from the Board of Trustees effective immediately. He has served BJU for 32 years as a board member and seven years as chairman. His desire was to honor the mission and vision of BJU and he worked tirelessly to that end. During his tenure, the University secured regional accreditation through SACSCOC and regained our tax exemption. I wish Dr. Lewis God’s best.”
The reason for Lewis’ resignation has not immediately been given – it’s also unclear whether Lewis’ resignation will affect Pettit’s decision to resign.
Regardless, it's clear that change is coming to Bob Jones University.
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On this episode of the Preacher Boys podcast, Eric Skwarczynski chats with IBLP survivor Emily Elizabeth Anderson about Jinger Duggar Vuolo's new book, Becoming Free Indeed.
In this episode, Emily shares her thoughts on the book and its portrayal of the dangerous theology of Bill Gothard and the Institute in Basic Life Principles (IBLP).
Emily talks about how she appreciated Jinger's specific references to the implications of Gothard's teachings and stories, even if they weren't directly stated in IBLP materials. However, Emily also raises concerns about Jinger's continued reluctance to hold her parents accountable for their role in her upbringing.
Another issue discussed in the episode is Jinger's problematic association with John MacArthur and her privileged position as a celebrity in evangelical culture. Emily brings up the experiences of other women who may have had different, less fortunate experiences.
Finally, Emily and Eric delve into Jinger's word choice and whether or not she accurately labeled IBLP as a cult.
Tune in to this thought-provoking conversation on the Preacher Boys podcast.
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In this episode of the Preacher Boys Podcast, Eric Skwarczynski talks about the resignation of Dr. Steve Pettit, the president of Bob Jones University.
The resignation comes after Pettit wrote a five-page letter accusing Dr. John Lewis, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, of holding off-site secret meetings without informing key university leadership. Pettit also claims that Lewis has taken actions to obstruct and impede the university's Title XI investigation into a sexual harassment case.
Pettit's resignation is a shocking development, given the hope many placed in him to bring positive change to the institution after the GRACE report revealed the mishandling of abuse cases at the university in the early 2010s.
Eric reads much of Pettit's letter verbatim and discusses the implications of these allegations.
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In this episode, host Eric Skwarczynski provides a scathing critique of a horrific sermon delivered by Evangelist Dean McNeese. McNeese refuses to call out predators by name, despite knowing their identities and instead promotes the idea of restoration for presumed predators.
Furthermore, McNeese states that God will kill those who call out pastors "the wrong way," even if the pastor is morally wrong. These dangerous and harmful beliefs have no place in any religious institution and must be challenged and exposed.
Join us as we delve deep into the disturbing world of toxic ministry and the individuals who perpetuate it. Don't miss this eye-opening episode of the Preacher Boys Podcast.
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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy40m | Mar 26, 2023 - 244: Unholy Heist | Kentucky Pastor Charged with Stealing Church Funds
In this episode of the Preacher Boys Podcast, I discuss a case of alleged financial abuse in the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement involving Pastor Ken Shaver.
Shaver, the 62-year-old pastor of Greater Vision Baptist Church in Utica, was charged with theft by unlawfully taking over $10,000 but under $1 million, which is a class C felony. The charge is punishable by between five and 10 years in prison.
I spoke speak to an anonymous insider who was formerly close to the ministry for more details on the case.
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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy5m | Mar 24, 2023 - 243: BREAKING: Josh Duggar's Sentence EXTENDED!
I thought we had closed the book on Josh Duggar after his sentencing in 2022, but his name has popped back up in the news once again.
For anyone who isn’t familiar with the story thus far – Josh Duggar, of 19 Kids and Counting fame has been at the center of numerous scandals.
In 2015, it was revealed that he had molested several of his sisters when he was a teenager.
In 2019, Duggar was arrested on charges of possessing child sexual abuse materials.
He was eventually found guilty in December 2021 and sentenced to 12.5 years in prison.
But on March 17, 2023, a new development emerged.
According to Insider, the original date set for Duggar’s release was August 12, 2032.
However, recent online prison records show that he is now set to be released on October 2, 2032.
No confirmed reason for the change has been made public, however, according to Fox News, Josh Duggar has been placed in solitary confinement for being caught with a contraband cellphone.
Regardless of the reason for the change in Duggar's sentence, this news is significant. It means that he will spend more time in prison than originally expected - 51 days to be exact.
My personal opinion? The more time the better.
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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy4m | Mar 19, 2023 - 242: Greg Locke Pretends He's an Exorcist Now
In this episode, we're delving into the controversial figure of Greg Locke, the pastor of Global Vision Bible Church in Mt. Juliet, Tennessee. You may remember that last year, in February 2021, Locke hosted a book burning at his church, which garnered significant media attention.
Since then, Locke has become more mainstream and has built relationships with more reputable evangelicals, including Eric Metaxas. He now has a large following and is known for his controversial views on vaccines and masks during the COVID-19 pandemic. However, Locke's latest focus is on deliverance ministry, where he claims to cast out demons.
Locke's latest film, "Come Out in Jesus' Name," was recently released through Fathom Events and hit number four in the box office on Monday, March 13th, 2023. The film made approximately one million dollars and was screened in 766 theaters nationwide – and there are some wild videos of "exorcisms" and "demons" – (AKA screaming people thrashing around on the floors of the theaters.)
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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy9m | Mar 19, 2023 - 241: Leaked Messages Reveal VBM Scrambling to Control Investigation of Allegations
This episode would not have been possible without the efforts of Dear Vision Baptist and their work documenting the allegations surrounding Vision Baptist Missions. For more info, visit DearVisionBaptist.com.
In this episode of the Preacher Boys Podcast, host Eric Skwarczynski provides an update on the sexual abuse allegations against Austin Gardner, founder of Vision Baptist Missions (VBM).
To watch the original episode, visit: https://youtu.be/2-3JaMqPYjk
He discusses a compilation of Marco Polo videos sent amongst VBM leaders, in which VBM President Jeff Bush expresses concern about the scope of the investigation.
The videos also reveal the dismissive tone of VBM leaders, including Pastor Trent Cornwell, towards the abuse allegations directed towards Gardner.
The videos raise serious questions about the leadership of VBM.
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