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Pathmakers Episode 2: Career Clusters Part 1 - Future-Proofing Student Success

22m | Jun 4, 2026

In Part 1 of this two-part special, we explore the massive shift occurring in Career and Technical Education (CTE), both nationally and within Maryland. Host Chuck Wallace is joined by Dan Hinderliter from Advanced CTE, along with MSDE leaders Marquita Friday, Scott Nichols, and Sally Irwin, to discuss why the 2002 "iPod era" framework is being retired in favor of a modern, interdisciplinary approach.


The group breaks down the move from rigid academic silos to dynamic "cluster groupings" that reflect the reality of the modern workforce. Listeners will learn why Maryland is streamlining over 80 programs down to 48 high-quality pathways, how "backwards mapping" from industry credentials ensures relevance, and why shifting from strict curriculum to flexible standards empowers local school systems. This episode lays the foundation for understanding how Maryland is ensuring every student graduates with a competitive advantage.


Host:

Chuck Wallace, Coordinator of Career Technical Student Organizations, MSDE


Guests:

Dan Hinderliter, Associate Director, State Policy at Advance CTE 

Marquita Friday, Director of School Support, MSDE 

Sally Irwin, Coordinator of School Support, MSDE 

Scott Nichols, Coordinator of School Support, MSDE


Timestamps:

00:00 Podcast Intro and Welcome 

01:27 Updating the National Framework 

04:20 Breaking Down Career Silos 

05:30 Cross-Cutting Career Clusters 

08:40 Maryland’s 14 Clusters 

09:58 Aligning to Industry Needs 

11:32 Industry Recognized Credentials 

14:06 Local Advisory Committees 

16:39 Streamlining to 48 Programs 

20:55 National Perspective on Maryland 

22:20 Closing

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