Jon Eckert, Executive Director, Baylor Center for School Leadership interviews leading experts, both educators and parents, who have evidence and experience that kids can become more of who they were created to be. The Joy Over Happiness podcast, showcases inspiring stories of joy through adversity, belonging, and curiosity. In just 20-30 minutes per episode, we offer actionable tips and uplifting messages to empower everyone to continue doing the critical work that shows kids that joy is better than happiness.

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Jake Baskin, Senior Philanthropic Advisor at Baylor University, about raising curious, resilient children in a culture competing for their attention. Jake and his wife, Meredith, share their intentional approach to parenting in The Happiness Crisis, and this conversation takes a deeper look at what that looks like in everyday family life. From limiting passive screen time to making room for reading, nature, sports, creativity, and even boredom, Jake explores how parents can help children slow down, pay attention, and become captivated by what is true. Mentioned:<ul><li><a href="https://a.co/d/00lJLEVS" rel="nofollow">The Happiness Crisis</a> by Jon Eckert</li><li>The End of Reading is Here <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/08/reading-crisis-postliterate-age/687618/" rel="nofollow">The Atlantic</a></li><li><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-it-pays-to-be-bored-arthur-c-brooks/" rel="nofollow">Why it pays to be bored</a> article by Arthur Brooks</li><li><a href="https://a.co/d/0f2JMAIB" rel="nofollow">Bible Reading with your Kids</a> by Jon Nielson</li><li><a href="https://a.co/d/0jgABpw2" rel="nofollow">The Wright Brothers</a> by David McCullough</li></ul> Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

"A-muse" = Anti-think: Jake Baskin

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with his daughter, Grace Eckert, an incoming Baylor freshman, about launching into adulthood and what she has learned along the way. On move-in day, Grace reflects on her own struggles with belonging, her time in Central Asia, and the experiences that have shaped how she sees herself and the world around her. Grace and Jon talk about the importance of getting outside of yourself, whether that&#39;s through serving others, traveling, suffering, or simply being willing to see life from a perspective beyond your own. They also discuss parenting, boundaries, faith, and what it takes to build meaningful community as you step into a new season of life. Mentioned:<ul><li><a href="https://a.co/d/00lJLEVS" rel="nofollow">The Happiness Crisis</a> by Jon Eckert</li><li><a href="https://a.co/d/0dMd8l3s" rel="nofollow">Brave New World</a> by Aldous Huxley</li></ul> Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Parental Joy: Grace Eckert

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Dr. Matt Burchett, who leads philanthropy and social impact at Thrive Restaurant Group, about his work to invest in people and strengthen communities. Matt also reflects on his 15 years at Baylor leading student life and the relationships that have shaped his own journey. Matt talks about saying yes to friendships without knowing where they will lead, trusting that something good can come from the people God puts in our path. From a friendship that led Jon and Matt to Mississippi to the philosophy that “you bet on people, not on programs,” this conversation explores how relationships can shape who we become and can lead to meaningful work along the way. Mentioned:<ul><li><a href="https://a.co/d/00qGNTDr" rel="nofollow">The Happiness Crisis</a> by Jon Eckert</li><li><a href="https://a.co/d/0bQIc4jn" rel="nofollow">Just Mercy</a> by Bryan Stevenson</li><li><a href="https://a.co/d/0iHS70jY" rel="nofollow">Theo of Golden</a> by Allen Levi</li><li><a href="https://comment.org/" rel="nofollow">Comment Magazine: Public Theology for the Common Good</a></li></ul> Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Joy Through Friendship: Matt Burchett

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Regan Davis, middle school teacher at Langley Christian School, Baylor M.A. in School Leadership student, and one of the educators featured in The Happiness Crisis, about why belonging and healthy status are so important during the middle school years. Through Langley&#39;s four-day sailing trip, Regan shares how experiences outside the classroom can help students build confidence, strengthen friendships, and see themselves in new ways.This conversation explores practical ways schools can foster belonging without lowering expectations. Regan explains why students need more than comfort and convenience. They need opportunities to take risks, contribute to their community, and discover what they&#39;re capable of. Mentioned:<a href="https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/the-happiness-crisis/" rel="nofollow">The Happiness Crisis</a> by Jon Eckert<a href="https://a.co/d/0hzGat4Y" rel="nofollow">10 to 25: The Science of Motivating Young People</a> by David Yeager<a href="https://a.co/d/0gFjFs5W" rel="nofollow">The Anxious Generation</a> by Jonathan Haidt<a href="https://a.co/d/09ISqkD4" rel="nofollow">How to Know a Person</a> by David Brooks Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Building Belonging and Status: Regan Davis

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Tracey Beal, founder of School Connect, about what happens when schools stop trying to do everything alone and communities step in to help. Drawing on more than two decades of connecting schools with churches, businesses, nonprofits, and volunteers, Tracey shares how building a &#34;village&#34; around students can strengthen not only schools, but entire communities. From supporting teacher retention and literacy to creating meaningful partnerships that meet the unique needs of each school, this conversation explores how educators don&#39;t just need more resources. They need more people. Tracey reminds us that while education continues to evolve, one thing won&#39;t change: every student needs caring adults who show up, believe in them, and walk alongside them. Mentioned:<a href="https://a.co/d/0gG851l6" rel="nofollow">Who Not How: The Formula to Achieve Bigger Goals Through Accelerating Teamwork</a> by Dan SullivanSchool Connect: <a href="https://schoolconnectaz.org/" rel="nofollow">https://schoolconnectaz.org/</a> Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Joy in Schools Communities: Tracey Beal

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Jen Pollock Michel, author of the upcoming A Rule for the Rest of Us, about how small, intentional practices can help us find joy in the ordinary rhythms of life. Jen shares why a &#34;rule of life&#34; isn&#39;t about perfection or productivity, but about creating habits that keep us rooted in what matters most. From navigating grief and embracing life&#39;s limits to resisting the constant pull of novelty and self-optimization, this conversation explores how joy is often found in faithfulness rather than excitement. Mentioned:<ul><li><a href="https://www.jenpollockmichel.com/new-book" rel="nofollow">A Rule for the Rest of Us</a> by Jen Pollock Michel</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Saint-Benedict-St/dp/037570017X" rel="nofollow">The Rule of St. Benedict</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Practicing-Way-Jesus-Become-like/dp/0593193822/ref=sr_1_1?crid=OAI670I2X18J&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dyuysjjhQJ0Txd1S_-UXaOk16GJ8_I3MXw88NZE560aj2Xqv1iZvvbUjaDKCnwHd-2I1Bwsu2M9lALvcQrrf9StjwE7hL7oBDVEVR4HrhHeGDkYf8gmJ2S0G2VxjulKu_o0BxuPY1SRTtXeVSl_jLPU8bEU8MZi_GtiodFJoAWG9YrBsKlwcv0Yh4gS6NtGaWPPiaCE0HOxb8mSc-6g1Kv6gmzuFfLUhER1BeEHnh1Q.2cLe6mhs7qqyVYinoIfJlJh83mM5wQcUDhmaRjaTvjY&dib_tag=se&keywords=practicing+the+way&qid=1782778139&s=books&sprefix=practicing%2Cstripbooks%2C178&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Practicing the Way</a> by John Mark Comer</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unreasonable-Hospitality-Remarkable-Giving-People/dp/0593418573/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3RT36OE12KT46&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.294_mCfIPZOoyGTQk1cvmqPZ3YlqwTmEqyPo8RXv-20M_l8ftyrw7D9NjZXu8fjbMWH6w1JvyhagMoq9Rl-Cxp8c6QMCOUl1ep4IBuIBOapwng9caF_0gJMYmGJrGdc93fP-0xSnW1lKv1bFJd2Z4c2c47C_30LrfGN-vprd-9I6LpvqkLpIArr_wEN6gRpxYgCeVyCBBl2NW7Lkufh7pnY-o2hND5cP0My_kyv2hAM.Huhk1Urp2T2fwxgY2_jPHWqORuW9dzVj34KNe_eHxa0&dib_tag=se&keywords=unreasonable+hospitality&qid=1782778160&s=books&sprefix=unreas%2Cstripbooks%2C175&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Unreasonable Hospitality</a> by Will Guidara</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Good-Life-Lessons-Scientific-Happiness/dp/198216669X/ref=sr_1_2?crid=FP84B33F4I5H&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kfpVunyysYjZQlWmDrhF9UkqHblDx7FY9cPnuOpAn1lwHWp1YnMLb6rbemYniTOBdDZpRHtZ7JZktoi85ntrUKUjlY17T38jaDc_roEkmw4yF3i9ooj3x-NE3MBUdtIqDKRcK7iFqJqXPd-JJsBMDU0QL3kCV69u3mIOp5Qv_AN8trgHTFdv2nIY8_8HhcXeevpHxD0IbzdYobnBSjWH5X3r--9UT9_6_lxfBZ2FZc1--s_GFI0LIu7Nf1OvALfEpIJQ0KJvPOiz5O2sYxWZNILhQsZ7ZB23Rcl-zDyikeI.Vzr8VLYFU-7b2v0cjWVp0knXnIg1I-c5oivtTIZ7MnM&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+good+life&qid=1782778178&s=books&sprefix=the+good+lif%2Cstripbooks%2C178&sr=1-2" rel="nofollow">The Good Life </a>by Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Upswing-America-Together-Century-Again/dp/1982129158/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2OVNJIP3I843N&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.YF0pnPQWuONSHPa1zFeE9WD6HACksXEsmybYkahGinNZislQpeNy6HqS1Wt4GCvvfhKu5JaIoT2dG_-xXZQkVPHCE4GlBwsoY9kKJV2Qx2Uy0IyvxVW_D5by79o-_bEghnZ9HC995PoW8Luvp7bwlQgfhxvOYAg9HI4Ji_4HWsiW_eiRZ1119B1kLSNL1z4oNmcjw8dw4-ZX9VcL4HTaakOVtYdacO05VrljIJG2Z1E.Ugu5t6zuK4bsKxE-LLa8j9DGx3l1fn4UGRRhVJ9B9_E&dib_tag=se&keywords=The+Upswing&qid=1782778196&s=books&sprefix=%2Cstripbooks%2C163&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">The Upswing</a> by Robert Putnam and Shaylyn Romney Garrett</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unfettered-Hope-Faithful-Affluent-Society/dp/0664225950/ref=sr_1_1?crid=24X26FROHTCJT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.w4FUSO8vf4UXK_S0OXtOG5k6F_EkgF1639WS1LFslSaygmNmNp7-jkqKxFnRXWXe.iIIm1I1gQ3vUlqe2ApGxaVTOs2DA5a919FJvYiiI_aA&dib_tag=se&keywords=faithful+unfettered+hope&qid=1782778215&s=books&sprefix=faithful+unfettered+hope%2Cstripbooks%2C151&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Unfettered Hope: A Call to Faithful Living in an Affluent Society</a> by Marva J. Dawn</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Renovation-Heart-Putting-Character-Anniversary/dp/1641584424/ref=sr_1_1?crid=319ZMT9U29JI3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.H4Hy6oQ7w15T2okj1yPgaBgBo1HUzN-zQ_SwdPDf-Aa_w1sZWpdjRBrbWzuFm3_z6py77LsOjNkRwfvd8XOi9gl8keCaa1ZlMIIARoNoQDe-ZbqpdZw01Eept5q5aSaL__jIy8ultA-DOJHpdU0gOVzQnV5kBpK9ISdSLrMzZpLlzLYQ39p1ml0kf8pK3cJgQPrfwuaez79iLUhWuLkI2SptgZeuZ8_LEBH_u-9wFTQ.-jtqhwdtcSzRN0CTwI5dweINxSc_LfPpGT014xBrAUE&dib_tag=se&keywords=renovation+of+the+heart&qid=1782778251&s=books&sprefix=renovation+of+the+hear%2Cstripbooks%2C175&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Renovation of the Heart</a> by Dallas Willard</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Crisis-Adversity-Resilient-Generation/dp/1400356504/ref=sr_1_1?crid=15QZESOF0TT36&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.uIQDS-erVXLYrEQgsDFaG6lQ3Z8rvCKvW3UVf0DZlWLXDB39ZkZ1tn-lxfFmgrckixrOLkWPi4WBULde42K0JnE9hnfhknXndBwYvDcj4kCWPoTwE3RK9A9Z0yeu44zpd9WVlHyKMJsYISkY6fmEAy4VGo1MlFpRkOS2eiH1Y5F0mPfYBTK_KE9WmYOkRHeDitDF_Yv4b7aLBAU8BZDyLteadjbJXm_DJyasFys0LkU.omt5keOFQ-0OYo-sPP628N6P89Upk52nZ99oDzqyxV0&dib_tag=se&keywords=happiness+crisis&qid=1782778267&s=books&sprefix=happiness+crisis%2Cstripbooks%2C170&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">The Happiness Crisis</a> by Jon Eckert</li></ul> Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

A Rule for the Rest of Us: Jen Michel

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Dr. Lindsay Whorton, President of the Holdsworth Center and author of A New School Leadership Architecture, about why the future of school leadership depends less on superheroes and more on sustainable systems. Drawing on her work with districts across Texas, Lindsay shares how schools can rethink leadership roles to better support teachers, develop future leaders, and create conditions where both educators and students can flourish. From building cultures of ownership instead of buy-in to creating leadership structures that distribute responsibility rather than concentrate it, this conversation explores how schools can meet growing challenges without burning out the people doing the work. Mentioned:<a href="https://a.co/d/02fdxGr7" rel="nofollow">A New School Leadership Architecture: A Four-Level Framework for Reimagining Roles</a> by Lindsay Whorton<a href="https://a.co/d/03BF3RIW" rel="nofollow">Middlemarch</a> by George Eliot<a href="https://a.co/d/0e8N5Oiw" rel="nofollow">Inside the Box: How Constraints Make Us Better</a> by David Epstein Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Beyond Superheroes: Lindsay Whorton

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert has a conversation with Bryan Goodwin, Deputy Executive Director, McREL Institute at Region 13, about what joyful learning actually looks like in classrooms. Bryan explores why joy isn&#39;t the absence of struggle but often found in the process of learning, growing, and overcoming challenges.From the power of curiosity and collaborative inquiry to the value of storytelling, boredom, and meaningful questions, Bryan shares how educators can create conditions where students and teachers experience genuine engagement. This conversation is a reminder that joyful learning isn&#39;t about making everything easy. It&#39;s about creating opportunities for people to discover, persevere, and find meaning in the work of becoming better. Mentioned:<a href="https://a.co/d/07hZK9xI" rel="nofollow">The Happiness Crisis</a> by Jon Eckert<a href="https://a.co/d/08tYyEt1" rel="nofollow">The Meaning of Your Life</a> by Arthur Brooks<a href="https://a.co/d/03jf0VYE" rel="nofollow">The Flourishing Factor</a> by Chris Egan Teaching<a href="https://a.co/d/00awqaXz" rel="nofollow">Reaching Kids Who Don&#39;t Fit Inside the Box </a>by Pete Hall<a href="https://a.co/d/0gyHVkMe" rel="nofollow">Charlie Hustle</a> by Keith O&#39;Brien<a href="https://a.co/d/0hLDopR1" rel="nofollow">Never Work Harder Than Your Students</a> by Robyn Jackson Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Joyful Learning: Bryan Goodwin

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Rev. Dr. David Kim, CEO and co-founder of <a href="https://goldenwoodnyc.org/" rel="nofollow">Goldenwood,</a> about AI and vocation. David&#39;s passion is to help people and organizations see the unseen realities that give rise to the world we create. David shares why the future will belong not just to efficiency, but to people who can cultivate curiosity, connection, and creativity in a rapidly changing world. Mentioned:<a href="https://a.co/d/0hsXhVGM" rel="nofollow">Every Good Endeavor</a> by Tim Keller and Katherine Leary Alsdorf<a href="https://a.co/d/04hdpki6" rel="nofollow">Unreasonable Hospitality</a> by Will Guidara<a href="https://harpers.org/archive/2025/12/the-tune-of-things-christian-wiman-consciousness-god/" rel="nofollow">“The Tune of Things”</a> by Christian Wiman Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Work is Making the Unseen Seen: David Kim

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Darren Spyksma about what it really means to humanize education in a world that keeps pushing toward efficiency and shortcuts. Darren shares how the real work in schools isn’t fixing kids, it’s helping adults grow in how they show up for them. From turning conflict into an opportunity for deeper relationships to helping teachers and parents stay present instead of outsourcing responsibility to technology, this conversation is a grounded look at what “humazing” education actually looks like. It’s a reminder that the best learning still happens through real relationships, honest conversations, and choosing to do the slower, harder work of being human together. Mentioned:<a href="https://www.amazon.com/10-25-Groundbreaking-Approach-Generation/dp/B0CWMSFSXG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1VJ1INSODUF40&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2NxDdoMCYTNb9f1uMcbaqA08VCWr_FJd6yVCVKlcbBKXy6v3u-8fEa5JU2lOXuErf56hVdmbN6K8oroLU590g8BiOodUTBR2QKVIsABeWARUgockPOOSyjs-gEiXAxjBkK11g6lqpLi0PQXSbK66TMdwqu9U-ahwGZriHqa0IwOKX_NNqUkE0q3DqMpP9Tj73U8xG6N1Oa_h50opemffK6ciIowku4lCPC4XJ79fJXI.4KKtlWtXzRttBg31WdreFHn7IBJZAPY0y0RlsqRpE70&dib_tag=se&keywords=10+to+25&qid=1777931228&s=books&sprefix=10+to+25%2Cstripbooks%2C239&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">10 to 25: The Science of Motivating Young People</a> by David Yeager <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Anxious-Generation-Rewiring-Childhood-Epidemic/dp/0593655036" rel="nofollow">The Anxious Generation</a> by Jonathan Haidt<a href="https://www.experiencejomo.com/" rel="nofollow">JOMO: Joy of Missing Out</a> Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Real Life Lessons for Humanizing Education and AI: Darren Spyksma

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Sean Riley, who’s spent nearly two decades at The Stony Brook School and is now a leading AI expert, about what it looks like to navigate AI in education with wisdom and purpose. Sean shares his journey from a blue-collar upbringing into education and leadership, and how that formation shapes the way he approaches technology today. From helping schools move beyond fear and policy toward thoughtful, mission-aligned strategy, to reminding educators that AI should serve human relationships, not replace them. This conversation is a reminder that even in the middle of disruption, joy is found in meaningful work, wise decisions, and staying rooted in what matters most. Mentioned:<a href="https://www.amazon.com/That-Hideous-Strength-Space-Trilogy/dp/0743234928/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2KSV0PR94EHJ0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.OyLFiX9ovIzIS2uMTan_GhBwWDrmYD0JeKczCdTozDRnb0cJ6hVmPYvLVwMQ6L7G_QezIQWfm4J-wI_vCIoTkPydz4fmKtOCq5zVFAVOMkT78zvrsao47m4dYe2wBmoR3Zk9jQCYe0pDhwazGspYKOtpjM3XaSaBKZ1aqKuZ0bGhhHxLR5XbEAYHSneYQLXUIjKfEWb8te32sGgYIUCgoDWHGSeN9QRTxWAlhsTywEk.q-bXmmTuU0ct1H3NMdTRmAimh-rfpCrdCbeCM_emLD4&dib_tag=se&keywords=that+hideous+strength&qid=1776737595&sprefix=that+hideous+strength%2Caps%2C179&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">That Hideous Strength</a> by C.S. Lewis<a href="https://edifiedstrategies.com/" rel="nofollow">Edified Strategies</a><a href="https://aidailybrief.ai/" rel="nofollow">AI Daily Brief</a> Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

A Blacksmith's Son Turned AI Education Expert: Sean Riley

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Alison Sweeney, actress, director, and host known for her work on Days of Our Lives, The Biggest Loser, and Hallmark films, about how she has learned to pursue joy both in Hollywood and at home. Alison shares what it’s looked like to grow up in the spotlight while building a family and staying grounded in what matters most. From finding joy in everyday moments as a parent to navigating the pressures of a public career, this conversation explores how joy is not found in achievement alone, but in relationships. Mentioned: Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Joy Over Happiness in Hollywood and at Home: Alison Sweeney

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with <a href="https://profiles.rice.edu/faculty/elaine-howard-ecklund" rel="nofollow">Elaine Howard Ecklund</a>, Professor of Sociology and Director of the Boniuk Institute for the Study and Advancement of Religious Tolerance, about what it means to stay human in a world increasingly shaped by AI. Drawing on her research and conversations with students, Elaine shares why many young people are less worried about cheating and more concerned about relationships, identity, and what it means to be human. From slowing down in the classroom to resisting a culture obsessed with efficiency, this conversation explores how educators can create spaces for deep learning, connection, and belonging. It’s a reminder that joy isn’t found in speed or productivity, but in the relationships, practices, and shared struggle that help us grow. Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

AI and Hope for a Better, More Equitable World: Elaine Howard Ecklund

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In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Nathan Bachman, a junior at Baylor, about what it’s actually like to be a student in the age of AI, where shortcuts are easy and the pressure to use them is real. Nathan talks through the tension students feel between doing the work and taking the shortcut, and the reality that there are two paths with AI. You can automate your life or use it to augment it. From questions about the value of a college degree to choosing integrity when no one is watching, this conversation is an honest look at how students are navigating learning, effort, and what actually matters. Mentioned:<a href="https://a.co/d/07KQox2F" rel="nofollow">The Happiness Crisis: How Adversity Can Build a Resilient and Joyful Next Generation</a> by Jon Eckert Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

A College Student's Take on AI, Cheating, and the Future: Nathan Bachman

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Ron Ivey studies one of the quiet drivers behind many of today’s challenges for young people: loneliness. In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with the Harvard Human Flourishing Program research fellow and founder of Noēsis Collaborative, an initiative launched in 2025 to build an ecosystem of leaders researching and shaping technologies that advance human flourishing, about why belonging and meaningful relationships are essential to a joyful life.Drawing on research about technology, culture, and connection, Ron explains how rising isolation is reshaping how young people seek belonging. This conversation reminds us that joy is not found in comfort or convenience. It grows through real relationships, shared struggle, and the deep connections that help us become who we are created to be. JOY over Happiness is brought to you by the Baylor Center for School Leadership.Lean into the struggle. Live with joy. Mentioned: Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Conversations with AI Leaders: Ron Ivey

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Chris Everett believes school improvement begins with people, not programs. In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with the former coach, principal, and current Chief Strategy Officer at engage2learn about why lasting change starts with teacher-student relationships, adult mindsets, and the courage to address adaptive challenges instead of chasing quick technical fixes. From reminding leaders that curriculum alone will not raise outcomes to highlighting the power of belief and consistent pedagogy, Chris points back to the human work at the center of education. This conversation is a reminder that joy is not circumstantial success or rising scores. It is found in meaningful relationships, shared struggle, and the daily work of helping students flourish together. JOY over Happiness is brought to you by the Baylor Center for School Leadership.Lean into the struggle. Live with joy. Mentioned:<a href="https://a.co/d/041uptbk" rel="nofollow">Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss</a> Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Joy Through Supporting Meaningful Work: Chris Everett

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Tige Watson has spent years leading students by starting with their story. In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with the former deputy fire chief turned school leader about why understanding what’s beneath student behavior is often the most effective way to support growth, belonging, and joy. Tige shares how shifting from punishment to listening reshaped discipline, mentorship, and student life at Valor Christian High School. From getting the full story before making decisions to creating phone-free spaces that restore connection, this conversation reminds us that joy isn’t circumstantial happiness. It’s formed slowly, relationally, and intentionally. JOY over Happiness is brought to you by the Baylor Center for School Leadership.Lean into the struggle. Live with joy. Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Get the Story: Tige Watson

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Alison Smith has spent a decade leading Midway High School, and this year brought one of the biggest shifts yet: going phone-free. In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Jon Eckert talks with the veteran principal about what happens when schools remove phones and restore attention, connection, and calm. Alison shares how phone-free days have reshaped hallways, classrooms, and student well-being, lowering anxiety, reducing conflict, and strengthening relationships. JOY over Happiness is brought to you by the Baylor Center for School Leadership.Lean into the struggle. Live with joy. Mentioned:<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Energy-Bus-Rules-Fuel-Positive/dp/0470100281/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=185696000585&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._Sj5T6kZBcLywiNKdGIfaCI4Thmy3iV_St25SVCpjD7dTHB02H2mJ4CKH6_oj57CCtgohy5TJZednHfU2-0o-teRo1q9xlyS3FY183b2zEoOiKqFSpoUJPpiqyQm8iahcuo_5dbe6hhiUbwTkd0gspYy6vE2OMW-4PpOTDZZgTuUSeLin32nyyDBSvgt3D4XRdId0kC65Gstf9J5ozIgzwzWUfffHzcXzENeN5LBf-U.JOtr7-4zR5OQy4qmJWuKm2PX7QaA_B_eXr2Y7u5BJWU&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779579155651&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=1026867&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=9650409312452062124--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=9650409312452062124&hvtargid=kwd-6887906441&hydadcr=24410_13859632_2335837&keywords=the+energy+bus+by+jon+gordon&mcid=7675c524f0ac31e28f40bf8026dfd03b&qid=1769475403&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Energy Bus</a> by Jon Gordon Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Joy Through Phone Freedom: Alison Smith

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Brad Livingstone has spent 35 years teaching history, but what he’s really been teaching is how joy is formed. In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Jon Eckert talks with the legendary educator and Baylor University’s First Gent about gratitude, presence, and honoring others! From inviting veterans into his classroom to walking campus with his dog BU, Brad shows how joy grows when we choose to see people and honor their stories. JOY over Happiness is brought to you by the Baylor Center for School Leadership.Lean into the struggle. Live with joy.  Mentioned:The Book of Philippians (Bible)<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unbroken-World-Survival-Resilience-Redemption/dp/0812974492" rel="nofollow">Unbroken</a> by Laura Hillenbrand<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Devil-My-Heels-Olympians-Astonishing/dp/0062118854/ref=sr_1_1?crid=9NCHWX9ZOA6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.T5yc0sPClq99VRVgrfL9mBcPVED215agQzldHqy4VuTWzDpsj3Sp-XYZYwtY9V554ZXIW-esrScdvlykmOlgcnyFADVrLENBGuqzS37gtfg.1u2XaeX4MDcs5L9Aj0b_ur7P5dKDUVC0-rd3m_6Y0QI&dib_tag=se&keywords=devil+at+my+heels&qid=1768271926&s=books&sprefix=devil+at+my+heel%2Cstripbooks%2C169&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Devil at My Heels</a> by Louis Zamperini Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

Gen Z Says Thank You: Brad Livingstone

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In this episode of Just Schools, Jon Eckert is joined by Sahira Kodra, Krystle Moos, and Erik Ellefsen for a year in review conversation reflecting on the Just Schools podcast in 2025. Together, they look back on favorite episodes, memorable guests, and the relationships that have shaped the work over the past year.  They also share personal moments where struggle led to joy, discuss what gives them hope for the year ahead, and introduce the podcast’s shift toward a renewed focus on joy over happiness. The Just Schools Podcast is brought to you by the Baylor Center for School Leadership. Be encouraged. Mentioned:<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Teacher-Nomad-Land-World-Story/dp/1646145666/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.JH0v25rXHBuW6eOyPV3r5g.nLCo9pMg2102rA0kTG3JGu-bHLkpd4PmgSoptuRlAYw&dib_tag=se&hvadid=776707549104&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=1026867&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2105363461889525538--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2105363461889525538&hvtargid=kwd-2455539370778&hydadcr=22591_13821178&keywords=the+teacher+of+nomad+land+book&mcid=c11083ce6dd939d481df9944540b4134&qid=1765892092&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Teacher of Nomad Land: A World War II</a> by Daniel Nayeri<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Anxious-Generation-Rewiring-Childhood-Epidemic/dp/0593655036/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2DWBRS0V07HVO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Owepk2_kWwnzsCOaNSFN37S-Iq2_sXY6-Su72QTjwyzwykvVH1rz5_JeNLIJabWIyaVlR82U-5XsVOWOh5MmwYwFxz50mUlkTb0Nel00oZZCcqlqzMaYYX_C-322vJraLhTjm_Ti8b-G7KqA7Vo6sS1u0KFOtHru08Y0qrvc89XRt6nNI4pwFG506nZgK9AvJaXd_07CV5WbHD22xCosGWSrgmRk1V_9Ok3Lj4Mh8g4.ogxFoFKrrnZiw9byWDy-PQYRbDnIdRSg6yT-iLE63Yo&dib_tag=se&keywords=anxious+generation&qid=1765892160&sprefix=anxious+generation+%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-3" rel="nofollow">Anxious Generation</a> by Jonathan Haidt<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Wing-Empyrean-Rebecca-Yarros/dp/1649377371/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2J80YP6KQBKCX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.EiOQBxySZI7jV617zicsBvK7zI2ZlIpuEGvVQ3tEhWc7tnN66NvI2Z4H8AZdZWDiwHfc3wT3NkwiK8wqbTbb4pCXJN0g-uxHe52uXGFdKPOENqMiewqUy4PKcX3tDVCGaaDrQIfcL02esTL0CStnoFPOfxxIqbocICshCqIDfbNQ7m5q1iPbhi0NZ1buREdYeh7psyK3ujiGEur0x-03s4Y97ka1xodzsMgOYuZ_aOg.zVbEWC8UWjE3fKnfvWkkqaAWtO8J8u1MoOi9CAAJ0a0&dib_tag=se&keywords=fourth+wing&qid=1765892178&sprefix=fourth+win%2Caps%2C181&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">Fourth Wing</a> by Rebecca Yarros<a href="https://www.amazon.com/10-25-Groundbreaking-Approach-Generation/dp/B0CWMSFSXG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1BB65X07KOPHE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._iSBAUpY9BcXSmn078PViMwhLB3W_2hAOiGqas1M8vyb726i6DuvJgA4-WRig8XoRh26XBDGyi-gGRDL7-d0vg.DETOSNT9i-swhs8AJIUzCB9vYsN2Eb96X_1WWWIV08o&dib_tag=se&keywords=david+yeager+10+to+25+book&qid=1765892264&sprefix=david+yeager+1%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">10 to 25</a> by David Yeager<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Primal-Intelligence-Smarter-than-Know/dp/B0DNRKPHJC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3M8K5FWIFEB5H&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8AeOQXMwYRNJ1ShunifFTUGWrCg2XTEl7GIaVaxlBu0.ivCovtsugmsRo1mI1rZZ_Evh1URUYUven3kb5jBXDOw&dib_tag=se&keywords=primal+intelligence&qid=1765892293&s=audible&sprefix=primal+intelligence%2Caudible%2C138&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Primal Intelligence</a> by Angus Fletcher Connect with us:<a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a>Jon Eckert <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jon-eckert-84129644/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a>

2025 in Review: BCSL Team

Jon Eckert, Executive Director, Baylor Center for School Leadership interviews leading experts, both educators and parents, who have evidence and experience that kids can become more of who they were created to be. The Joy Over Happiness podcast, showcases inspiring stories of joy through adversity, belonging, and curiosity. In just 20-30 minutes per episode, we offer actionable tips and uplifting messages to empower everyone to continue doing the critical work that shows kids that joy is better than happiness.