In this episode, we're delving into the powerful testimonies of Kay Woodcock, Sheila Daybell, and Heather Daybell on May 2, 2024, Day 15 of Chad Daybell's Trial.

Join Hidden True Crime for an exclusive journey through Chad Daybell's trial, from its inception to its conclusion. Host Lauren Matthias, a seasoned courtroom observer, provides daily updates via lunch lives on YouTube and comprehensive summaries right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter with a decade of experience, and her husband, Dr. John Matthias, a respected criminal psychologist, bring their expertise to Hidden True Crime. They have closely followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. In 2020, they launched their first season: 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological exploration of the doomsday murders and self-proclaimed prophet.

A podcast that started at their dinner table has now become the dynamic husband-and-wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.

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This episode is a compilation of trial recaps posted on YouTube each day during lunch breaks from day 10 to day 13. We heard from multiple law enforcement agencies, Chad cried in court, John Prior shamed Tammy Daybell’s body, and so much more. I was outside the Ada County Courthouse, so the audio isn’t perfect, but you can hear everything being said. 

Join Hidden True Crime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial from beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom daily, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

Lauren Matthias was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

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A HIDDEN TRUE CRIME COLLABORATION WITH MORMON STORIES PODCAST with Host John Dehlin and Lauren Matthias, as well as Lori Vallow's cousin Megan Conner with Midlife Revolution

Join Hidden True Crime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

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On Tuesday, photos of Tammy Daybell were shown to the jury and the Coroner, Brenda Dye, testified along with emergency personal and first responders that came to the scene that morning. The 911 call was played on October 19th when Chad called to say he found his wife dead.

Our interviews with Heather Daybell are sourced in this podcast. Listen to Heather Daybell's full three-part interview with us:

PART ONE

PART TWO

PART THREE

Join Hidden True Crime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

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Lauren Matthias shares her friendship and the quest for justice when Larry and Kay Woodcock have dinner with her after spending the day in Chad Daybell's trial and watching Melanie Gibb testify. Larry shares his thoughts on a spontaneous live. He also shares details of a public memorial for JJ and Tylee in Idaho Falls at the Colonial Theater at 1 pm on April 27th, 2024

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Hosts and spouses Dr John and Lauren Matthias talk about the bombshell evidence entered into the Chad Daybell trial. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and consults on high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California. Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

 A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.

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On the second week of the Chad Daybell Trial, two major pieces of evidence were shared in court. You can listen to them both on this episode-Chad's daugher Emma talking to her dad after his arrest in June 2020, as well as a Patriarchal church blessing that Chad gave to Alex Cox in November 2019

Join Hidden True Crime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

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Hosts and spouses Dr John and Laure Matthias assess the opening statements from both the defense and prosecution. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and consults on high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California. Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

 A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.

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Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

Barbara Jones Brown is the co-author of Vengeance Is Mine, The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath (Oxford University Press, 2023), about the most notorious crime in Mormon history near today's St. George, Utah. In 1857, a group of Mormon settlers massacred more than 100 men, women, and children in a California-bound wagon train: BOOK LINK

Brown is the director of Signature Books, an indie publisher in Salt Lake City, Utah, which publishes thoroughly-researched books on Utah, Mormon, and Western American History. Previously she was the executive director of the Mormon History Association and historical director of Better Days 2020. Brown holds a Master’s degree in American history from the University of Utah and a Bachelor’s degree in journalism from Brigham Young University.

LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

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Lauren goes live during lunch for the opening statements of Chad Daybell's murder trial on Wednesday, April 10th, as well as Day 2, April 11th. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube summarizing every day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

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Eighteen jurors have been chosen. Opening statements begin Wednesday, April 10th. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

As jury selection begins, we speak with two jurors from Lori Vallow Daybell's trial.

LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

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Vicki Hoban, Chad Daybell's Aunt is in court every day along with Lauren Matthias. They share their experience with jury selection. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

As jury selection begins, we speak with two jurors from Lori Vallow Daybell's trial.

LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

 A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.

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Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.

As jury selection begins, we speak with two jurors from Lori Vallow Daybell's trial.

LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

 A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.

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Chad Daybell's trial starts today and host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom for jury selection. This episode is every episode and interview Hidden True Crime has produced on this case, condensed into an hour-long crash course that prepare all of our listeners to follow along during the Doomsday Prophet Trial. Host Lauren Matthias plans to be in the courtroom every day and we will be livestreaming the trial each day on our YouTube Channel ...Lauren also plans to go live on YouTube and give nightly updates and prep podcast episodes. Stay tuned!

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PART TWO: This interview with Suzanne was originally recorded in 2022. A friend of Chad Daybell for 15 years, Suzanna and Chad had a falling out once he started publishing books by Julie Rowe. Suzanne emailed him and told him that his new beliefs would "Lead to death and destruction".

Find out what else Suzanne knows and discovers during this heart-to-heart talk with investigative journalist and Hidden True Crime host Lauren Matthias.

LAUREN MATTHIAS spent a decade working as an anchor and reporter. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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Many consider Tim Ballard a hero; a man fighting human trafficking and the subject of the movie “Sound of Freedom”. Several woman have come forward accusing Tim Ballard of assault.

Hidden True Crime delves into the controversial figure and topic in a way no one else does. This podcast was originally recorded March 2, 2024

DR. JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states.

Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS spent a decade working as an anchor and reporter. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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PART ONE: This interview with Suzanne was originally recorded in 2022. A friend of Chad Daybell for 15 years, Suzanna and Chad had a falling out once he started publishing books by Julie Rowe. Suzanne emailed him and told him that his new beliefs would "Lead to death and destruction".

Find out what else Suzanne knows and discovers during this heart-to-heart talk with investigative journalist and Hidden True Crime host Lauren Matthias.

LAUREN MATTHIAS spent a decade working as an anchor and reporter. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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March, 2024: Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in her role in the death of Halyna Hutchins on the set of Alec Baldwin's "Rust" movie set. The trial and verdict caused many to ask who was to blame, and why, when it came to the tragedy that took the young mother and talented filmmakers life.

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DR. JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states.

Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS spent a decade working as an anchor and reporter. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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Dr John Matthias, forensic psychologist, breaks down videos, interviews and body cam footage in a massive document dump this week in a case we've been following from the beginning.

THE CASE: August 30, 2023--a brave 12-year-old boy named "R" escapes a house of torture in Southern Utah, rescuing himself and his 10-year-old sister "E". The children's mother YouTube Celebrity Ruby Franke, and Ruby's therapist Jodi Hildebrandt, are arrested and charged with 6 counts of aggravated child abuse.

JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and consults on high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California.

Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS worked as an anchor and reporter for a decade in Utah and Idaho. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award and is a regular contributor on News Nation. She left the reporting world to produce the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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Arley Naomi Proctor-Hernandez was taken to a church on September 24, 2021. Her grandfather was pastor at the small California church, and family members met to assist in an exorcism.

Her mom believed she was possessed. The probable cause is difficult to read, and the determined cause of death is asphyxiation. 

The week before Arley's mother, Claudia Hernandez-Santos, was arrested, Claudia started a YouTube channel and spoke to her viewers. It's chilling to listen. 

The trio of family members stand before a judge this week in San Jose California, and according to reporters in the court room, Claudia swiveled in a chair and occasionally yawned while listening to Police testimony. 

This episode was recorded just after the arrests were made in January 2022, and was only available on Patreon until today.  

It was recorded after the pandemic had ended, but remnants still lingered. Domestic violence had increased, and fear gripped many. This episode tackles many of those issues in 2020/2021.

We believe this episode is important to revisit and have decided to make it public. We have 60 bonus episodes just like this one on our Patreon account at Patreon.com/hiddentrueCrime. Thank you to those who support us there with your monthly membership

"Denial is always a strategy of self protection. Denial is about making ourselves feel better in some ways because we don't understand something or something is too painful to address or to cope with. " -Dr John Matthias

DR. JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states.

Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS has worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in East Idaho, Boise, Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

WEBSITE: https://hiddentruecrime.com/

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https://paypal.me/hiddentruecrime

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