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Perverse Incentives In Education and Healthcare with Aaron Bare

50m | Sep 17, 2026

If a system keeps producing outcomes nobody actually wants, is it broken, or is it working exactly as designed?

In this episode, incentives strategist Aaron Bare joins Jenn to unpack the hidden and perverse incentives in the education and healthcare systems – and why chasing test scores and billing codes so often pulls us further from the outcomes we actually want.

Aaron shares what two decades of facilitating strategy inside hundreds of organizations taught him about incentives, why he believes AI will accelerate whatever is already broken inside a system, and what it actually takes to become a creator instead of a consumer in a world engineered for your attention.

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