• 69. The Creedal Imperative: Why Creeds? (Part 3)

    In this series, Brendon and Skye are going through the book Crisis of Confidence by Carl Trueman – exploring the reasons why Christians have normally used creeds to guard the faith, and why Mormons have been anti-creedal since their founding. This week we cover chapter two: “The Foundations of Creedalism”. 

    Pastor Brendon sermons.  

     

    Christianity and Liberalism; The Person of Jesus by J. Gresham Machen 

    Crisis of Confidence: Reclaiming the Historic Faith in a Culture Consumed with Individualism and Identity; The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self by Carl Trueman 

    Christless Christianity; “Charles Finney v. The Westminster Confession” by Michael Horton 

    Institutes of the Christian Religion; Letter to Sadoleto by John Calvin 

    The Story of Creeds and Confessions by Ryan Reeves and Donald Fairbairn 

    Credo by Jeroslav Pelikan 

     

    When Grace Comes Alive: Living Through the Lord’s Prayer by Terry Johnson 

    The Lord’s Prayer by Wesley Hill 

    The Church of Christ by James Bannerman 

    Don’t Fire Your Church Members by Jonathan Leeman 

    The Young Bultmann by William Dennison

    Destroyer of the Gods by Larry Hurtado 

    Christianity at the Crossroads by Michael Kruger 

    Paul and His Predecessors by A.M. Hunter 

    1h 25m - Apr 8, 2024
  • 68. The Creedal Imperative: Why Creeds? (Part 2)

    In this series, Brendon and Skye are going through the book Crisis of Confidence by Carl Trueman. This week we cover chapter one: “The Cultural Case against Creeds and Confessions”. 

    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors! 


    Christianity and Liberalism; The Person of Jesus by J. Gresham Machen 

    Crisis of Confidence: Reclaiming the Historic Faith in a Culture Consumed with Individualism and Identity; The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self by Carl Trueman 

    Christless Christianity; “Charles Finney v. The Westminster Confession” by Michael Horton 

    Institutes of the Christian Religion; Letter to Sadoleto by John Calvin 

    The Story of Creeds and Confessions by Ryan Reeves and Donald Fairbairn 

    Credo by Jeroslav Pelikan 

     

    No Place For Truth; Above All Earthly Pow'rs by David F. Wells

    Nostalgia; Out of the Ashes; Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization; Reclaiming Catholic Social Teaching by Anthony Esolen

    The Trinitarian Theology of Cornelius Van Til by Lane Tipton 

    An Introduction to Systematic Theology by Cornelius Van Til  

    The Young Bultmann by William Dennison (also Dr. Dennison's review of Lane Tipton's book, cited above, in New Horizons

    Schleiermacher by Terence Tice

    Apostles of Reason by Molly Worthen

    Orthodox yet Modern: Bavinck's Use of Friedrich Schleiermacher by Cory Brock

    The Incarnation of God by John Clark and Marcus Peter Johnson


    Being Mortal by Atul Gawande 

    The Bourgeois Trilogy by Deirdre McCloskey 

    Factfulness by Hans Rosling 

    Progress by Johan Norberg 

    Religion and the Rise of Capitalism by Benjamin Friedman 

    American Awakening by Joshua Mitchell 

    A Time to Build; The Great Debate by Yuval Levin

    The Rational Optimist; How Innovation Works by Matt Ridley


    The Territories of Science and Religion; The Fall of Man and the Foundations of Science; The Bible, Protestantism, and the Rise of Natural Science by Peter Harrison

    The Victory of Reason by Rodney Stark

    How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization by Thomas Woods

    Galileo Revisited by Dom Paschal Scotti

    The Savior of Science; The Origins of Science and the Science of its Origins by Stanley Jaki

    1h 30m - Apr 1, 2024
  • 67. The Creedal Imperative: Why Creeds? (Part 1)

    In this series, Brendon and Skye are going through the book Crisis of Confidence by Carl Trueman – exploring some of the reasons why Christians have normally used creeds to guard the faith, and why Mormons have been anti-creedal since their founding. 

    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors! 

     

    JSH-1; 1 Ne 13; D&C 46.2 ; D&C 84; D&C 123 

    History of the Church, edited by B.H. Roberts (vol.’s 3, 5, and 6) 

    Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, edited by Joseph Fielding Smith 

    The Great Apostasy; Jesus the Christ by James Talmage 

    The Truth, the Way, the Life by B.H. Roberts 

    “The Mormon Creed” by Orson Pratt 

     

    George A. Smith: JD 13.292-293 

    John Taylor: JD 14.267-70 

    Wilford Woodruff: JD 24.236 

    Mormon Doctrine; A New Witness for the Articles of Faith and “Our Relationship with the Lord” by Bruce R. McConkie  

    A Marvelous Work and a Wonder; “Strange Creeds of Christendom” by LeGrand Richards 

    “Apostasy and Restoration” by Dallin Oaks 

    “The Things of Which I Know” ; “What Are People Asking About Us?” by Gordon Hinckley 

    LDS Temple transcript: here and here 

     

    The American Transcendentalists: Essential Writings, edited and with an introduction by Lawrence Buell 

    The American Religion by Harold Bloom 

    Religious Seekers and the Advent of Mormonism by Dan Vogel 

    “’No Creed to Circumscribe My Mind’: Joseph Smith, Ralph Waldo Emerson, and Romantic Theology” by Jared Hickman 

    “’Build, Therefore, Your Own World’: Ralph Waldo Emerson, Joseph Smith, and American Antebellum Thought” by Benjamin E. Park (Journal of Mormon History, Vol. 36, Winter 2010: Iss. 1) 

    “Frontier Kantianism: Autonomy and Authority in Ralph Waldo Emerson and Joseph Smith” by Ryan W. Davis [The Journal of Religious Ethics, Vol. 46, No. 2 (June 2018), pp. 332-359] 

    “Minding Business: A Note on the ‘Mormon Creed’” by Michael Hicks (BYU Studies) 

    Mormonism; Wrestling the Angel by Terryl Givens (also here

    Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling by Richard Bushman 

     

    Christianity and Liberalism; The Person of Jesus by J. Gresham Machen 

    Crisis of Confidence: Reclaiming the Historic Faith in a Culture Consumed with Individualism and Identity by Carl Trueman 

    Christless Christianity; “Charles Finney v. The Westminster Confession” by Michael Horton 

    Institutes of the Christian Religion; Letter to Sadoleto by John Calvin 

    The Story of Creeds and Confessions by Ryan Reeves and Donald Fairbairn 

    Credo by Jeroslav Pelikan 

    1h 23m - Mar 25, 2024
  • 66. Matthew Emadi on the Melchizedek Priesthood

    In this episode, Skye interviews Dr. Matthew Emadi on his book The Royal Priest: Psalm 110 in Biblical Theology. Psalm 110 is the most quoted or alluded Old Testament text in the New Testament – and today we are going to learn from one of the leading experts on this important biblical text. 

    Joseph Smith, in the last section of his last sermon (“The Sermon in the Grove”) stated that: “All men are liars who say they are of the true Church without revelations of Jesus Christ and the Priesthood of Melchisedek, which is after the order of the Son of God.” Today, we ask a scholar on the topic of Melchizedek and of the Melchizedek Priesthood what the Bible teaches on the matter. 

    Dr. Emadi is a pastor at Crossroads Church in Sandy, Utah – as well as a professor at Salt Lake School of Theology

    The Royal Priest: Psalm 110 in Biblical Theology by Matthew Emadi 

     

    JST Genesis 14 ; Alma 13 ; D&C 84 

    Come Follow Me Manual ; Gospel Principles Manual and here 

    The Third Thousand Years by Cleon Skousen 

    The Old Testament Made Easier by David Ridges 

    Evidences and Reconciliations by John Widtsoe 

    John Taylor: JD 21.243-244 (also here

    1h 35m - Mar 18, 2024
  • 65. Jeffrey Holland: LDS Reject the Trinity and are "Christian", too (Part 2/2)

    In this episode, Brendon and Skyler continue to go through Jeffrey Holland’s October 2007 General Conference address titled “The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent”. This continues the analysis of the LDS treatment of the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity and the historic Christian creeds and confessions. 

    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors! 

    NOTE: Joseph Fielding Smith defined the Godhead as “the supreme governing council in the heavens”. (Doctrines of Salvation 1:1) Also, notice how it is Joseph Smith – in the Book of Mormon - who confuses the persons of the Godhead; Smith would be a more apt target than the Trinitarian Creeds that, although they affirm One Being - do not confuse the persons of the Trinity. (see Mos. 15.2-4fMorm. 9.12Ether 3.144.12; and JST Luke 10.22 - footnote b) 

    “The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent” by Jeffrey Holland 

    Lectures on Faith ; JSH-1.19-20 ; BOM Title Page 

    History of Church 6:473-479 (also, here

    2 Ne. 31.21; Mormon 7.7; Ether 4.12 ;Abraham 4 ; Mosiah 15 ; D&C 20.28 ; 121.28,32 ;130; 132 

    Brigham Young: JD 1.49-51 (and here); JD 4:218 ; JD 11:268 

    A Marvelous Work and a Wonder; “Strange Creeds of Christendom” by LeGrand Richards 

    Are Mormons Christians? by Stephen Robinson 

     

    Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Sandra and Jerald Tanner 

    An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins by Grant Palmer 

    Mormonism and the Magic World View by D. Michael Quinn 

    Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith by Linda King Newell 

    By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus: A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papyrii by Charles Larson (also here, here, here and here

    The Mound Builder Myth: Fake History and the Hunt for a “Lost White Race” by Jason Colavito 

    Jason Wallace: here, here and here 

     

    The Forgotten Trinity by James White; Simply Trinity by Matthew Barrett 

    The Trinity: An Introduction by Scott Swain; The Attributes of God: An Introduction by Gerald Bray; The Person of Christ: An Introduction by Stephen Wellum 

    God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of Christ by Stephen Wellum 

    All That Is In God by James Dolezal 

    The Trinitarian Theology of Cornelius Van Til by Lane Tipton 

    The Transfiguration of Christ by Patrick Schreiner 

    Confessions by St. Augustine 

     

    Christless Christianity by Michael Horton 

    The Origenist Controversy by Elizabeth Clark 

    Early Christian Doctrine by J.N.D. Kelly 

    God in Patristic Thought by G. L. Prestige 

    The Destroyer of the Gods by Larry Hurtado 

    Who Is God? By Richard Bauckham 

    Christianity and Classical Culture by Jaroslav Pelikan 

     

    “The Image of God and the Anthropomorphite Controversy in fourth-century Monasticism” by Graham Gould - in R. J. Daly (ed.), Origeniana Quinta: Papers of the Fifth International Origen Congress, Boston College, 14–18 August 1989 (Bibliotheca Ephemeridum Theologicarum Lovaniensium, 105; Leuven: Peeters Press, 1992), pp. 549–57 

    “The Divine Council in Late Canonical and Non-Canonical Second Temple Jewish Literature” by Michael Heiser 

    The Bible Among the Myths by John Oswalt 

    An Introduction to the Old Testament by Edward J. Young 

    Treaty of the Great King by Meredith Kline 

    The Gospel of Matthew (NICNT) by R.T. France 

    The Gospel According to John by D. A. Carson 

    1h 42m - Mar 11, 2024
  • 64. Jeffrey Holland: LDS Reject the Trinity and are "Christian", too (Part 1/2)

    In this episode, Brendon and Skyler go through Jeffrey Holland’s October 2007 General Conference address titled “The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent”. This continues their analysis of the LDS treatment of the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity and the historic Christian creeds and confessions. 

    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors! 

    We love Christ Fellowship Church as well - in the American Fork area.

    CORRECTION: Muslims actually say "peace be upon him" (alayhi al-salam) after the name of Jesus. The point is the apparent show of devotion to the person of Jesus - yet apart from the Bible that they see as corrupted. (e.g. here) Would an LDS definition of Christianity also include Islam?

    NOTE: Joseph Fielding Smith defined the Godhead as “the supreme governing council in the heavens”. (Doctrines of Salvation 1:1

    Also, notice how it is Joseph Smith – in the Book of Mormon - who confuses the persons of the Godhead; Smith would be a more apt target than the Trinitarian Creeds that, although they affirm One Being - do not confuse the persons of the Trinity. (see Mos. 15.2-4f; Morm. 9.12; Ether 3.14; 4.12; and JST Luke 10.22 - footnote b) 

     

    “The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent” by Jeffrey Holland 

    • Notice even the "and" in the title of Holland's talk. So, is Jesus not the "only true God", then?
    • Also, Holland: here, and here 


    Lectures on Faith ; JSH-1.19-20 ; BOM Title Page 

    • The Lectures on Faith (the doctrine of the D&C) literally has a Q&A at the end of Lecture 5: "Q: How many personages are there in the Godhead? A: Two: The Father and the Son"


    History of Church 6:473-479 (also, here

    The Articles of Faith by James Talmage 

    A New Witness for the Articles of Faith by Bruce R. McConkie 

    A Marvelous Work and a Wonder; “Strange Creeds of Christendom” by LeGrand Richards

    Brigham Young: JD 1.49-51 

    Franklin D. Richards: JD 26.300 

    LDS Temple transcript: here and here 

    Are Mormons Christian? By Stephen Robinson 

     

    Harper’s Bible Dictionary edited by Paul J. Achtemeier 

    Western Asceticism edited by Owen Chadwick 

    An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins by Grant Palmer 

    Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? By Sandra and Jerald Tanner 

    An Earnest Plea to LDS (Jason Wallace) 

    Conflict in the Quorum by Gary Bergera 

    Watchman on the Tower: Ezra Taft Benson and the Making of the Mormon Right by Matthew L. Harris (also here; and notice the introduction here

    “This Is My Doctrine”: The Development of Mormon Doctrine by Charles Harrell 

     

    The Forgotten Trinity by James White; Simply Trinity by Matthew Barrett 

    The Trinity: An Introduction by Scott Swain; The Attributes of God: An Introduction by Gerald Bray; The Person of Christ: An Introduction by Stephen Wellum 

    All That Is In God by James Dolezal 

    The Trinitarian Theology of Cornelius Van Til by Lane Tipton 

    Early Christian Doctrine by J.N.D. Kelly 

     

    Reformed Dogmatics (4 vol.’s) by Herman Bavinck 

    The Book of Isaiah (3 vol.’s) by E.J. Young 

    The Gospel According to John (PNTC) by D.A. Carson 

    Confessions by St. Augustine 

    Father, Son, and Spirit in Romans 8: The Roman Reception of Paul’s Trinitarian Theology by Ron Fay 

    1h 28m - Mar 4, 2024
  • 63. Joseph Smith's Last Sermon: The "Sermon in the Grove"

    In this episode, Brendon and Skyler will go through Joseph Smith’s last public sermon: the “Sermon in the Grove”. They will analyze Smith’s claims and teachings - and highlight his consistent twisting of Scripture, as well as his consistent distrust and aversion to the Christian creeds and confessions. This episode goes along well with the previous series on the King Follett Discourse.

    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors!  


    History of Church 6:473-479 (also here

    JST Revelation 1:6 ; Abraham 4 ; Mosiah 15 ; D&C 20.28 ; 121.28,32 ;130; 132 

    Lectures on Faith ; JSH-1.19-20 ; BOM Title Page ; JST 1 Cor 15.40 

    A Voice of Warning; An Answer to Mr. William Hewitt’s Tract; Key to the Science of Theology by Parley Pratt (whom some scholars have called The Apostle Paul of Mormonism.) 

    • “Now, Mr. Sunderland, you have something definite and tangible, the time, the manner, the means, the names, the dates; and I will state as a prophesy, that there will not be an unbelieving Gentile upon this continent 50 years hence; and if they are not greatly scourged, and in a great measure overthrown, within five or ten years from this date, then the Book of Mormon will have proved itself false.” (Mormonism Unveiled, 1838; found in The Essential Parley Pratt, p. 24) 

    “The Mormon Creed” by Orson Pratt 

    A History of the Priesthood by Benjamin Winchester 

    Outlines of Ecclesiastical History by B. H. Roberts 

    Jesus The Christ by James Talmage (see footnote 8 - on Psalm 82) 

    Brigham Young: JD 1.49-51 

    “Kingdoms of Glory” (Dallin Oaks) 

    New Testament Made Easier by David Ridges 

     

    Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith by Linda King Newell 

    By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus: A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papyrii by Charles Larson (also here, here, here and here

    An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins by Grant Palmer 

    Mormonism and the Magic World View by D. Michael Quinn 

    • Among the books Smith donated to a Nauvoo library include books Catholic Piety, and The Catholic Manual (pp. 188-89, 496-97) 

    Nauvoo Polygamy by George Smith 

    Mysteries of Godliness by David Buerger 

     

    The Forgotten Trinity by James White; Simply Trinity by Matthew Barrett 

    The Trinity: An Introduction by Scott Swain; The Attributes of God: An Introduction by Gerald Bray; The Person of Christ: An Introduction by Stephen Wellum 

    The Bible Among the Myths by John Oswalt 

    God, Language and Scripture; Biblical Words and Their Meaning by Moises Silva 

     

    The Destroyer of the Gods by Larry Hurtado 

    Who Is God? By Richard Bauckham 

    The Royal Priest by Matthew Emadi 

    1 Corinthians (ZECTNT) by Paul Gardner 

    The Gospel According to John (PNTC); Exegetical Fallacies by D.A. Carson 

    “You’ve Seen One Elohim, You’ve Seen them All? A Critique of Mormonism’s Use of Psalm 82” by Michael Heiser (also here

    1h 25m - Feb 26, 2024
  • 62. Can LDS believe Jesus Christ? (Part 3/3)

    In this three-part series, Skye picks 10 teachings of Jesus Christ from the Gospels that faithful LDS not only do not emphasize, but cannot believe.

    Can an LDS, from a Mormon worldview, truly believe and practice what Christ actually taught - as found in the Gospels? This question will be asked for every one of the 10 points included in this series.

    LDS often say that they sincerely love Jesus, and some even claim to believe the Bible. This series will test what that can actually mean from someone who believes Joseph Smith is "the prophet of the Restoration", and is a loyal member of the LDS church today.

    Included in this episode are Jesus' teaching on salvation, the Gospel, the Church (and whether or not it will fail), hell and final judgment, followed by whether sincerity (and trying our best) is enough.


    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors! 

    1h 32m - Feb 19, 2024
  • 61. Can LDS believe Jesus Christ? (Part 2/3)

    In this three-part series, Skye picks 10 teachings of Jesus Christ from the Gospels that faithful LDS not only do not emphasize, but cannot believe.

    Can an LDS, from a Mormon worldview, truly believe and practice what Christ actually taught - as found in the Gospels? This question will be asked for every one of the 10 points included in this series.

    LDS often say that they sincerely love Jesus, and some even claim to believe the Bible. This series will test what that can actually mean from someone who believes Joseph Smith is "the prophet of the Restoration", and is a loyal member of the LDS church today.

    Included in this episode are Jesus' teaching on family, marriage (as well as marriage in heaven), with an excursus on whether or not Jesus was/is married.


    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors! 

    54m - Feb 15, 2024
  • 60. Can LDS believe Jesus Christ? (Part 1/3)

    In this three-part series, Skye picks 10 teachings of Jesus Christ from the Gospels that faithful LDS not only do not emphasize, but cannot believe.

    Can an LDS, from a Mormon worldview, truly believe and practice what Christ actually taught - as found in the Gospels? This question will be asked for every one of the 10 points included in this series.

    LDS often say that they sincerely love Jesus, and some even claim to believe the Bible. This series will test what that can actually mean from someone who believes Joseph Smith is "the prophet of the Restoration", and is a loyal member of the LDS church today.

    Included in this episode are Jesus' teaching The Shema, God is Spirit, Scripture is God's Word - both what Christ taught about the Temple, and who Christ is as the Temple - followed by who is man, and who is Christ's true family.


    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors! 

    1h 38m - Feb 12, 2024
  • 59. The King Follett Discourse: Joseph Smith's "Greatest Sermon" (Part 2/2)

    In this two-part series, Skye introduces the audience to the sermon considered by most to be Joseph Smith's greatest and most important sermon. This last of Joseph Smith's general conference talks, far from being speculative "deep doctrine", is presented as being the foundation for Mormon theology. The King Follett Sermon is a foundation of Mormon theology.


    KSL clip; Devotional

    History of the Church, volume 6 (B.H. Roberts); JD 6.1-11

    Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, edited by Joseph Fielding Smith

    Newly Amalgamated Text (Stan Larson, 1978 BYU Studies)


    "The King Follett Discourse: Joseph Smith's Greatest Sermon in Historical Perspective" by Donald Cannon

    "The Doctrinal Impact of the King Follett Discourse" ; "The King Follett Discourse: Textual History and Criticism" by Van Hale

    "The King Follett Discourse: Pinnacle or Peripheral?" by James Faulconer and Susannah Morrison


    The Bible Among the Myths by John Oswalt

    Biblical Words and Their Meaning; God, Language and Scripture by Moises Silva

    Exegetical Fallacies by D. A. Carson

    The Trinitarian Theology of Cornelius Van Til by Lane Tipton

    "Trichotomy: A Beachhead of Gnostic Influence" by Kim Riddlebarger


    No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie

    Blood of the Prophets by Will Bagley

    Conflict in the Quorum by Gary Bergera

    Mormonism and the Magic World View by D. Michael Quinn

    In Sacred Loneliness by Todd Compton

    Nauvoo Polygamy by George Smith


    The American Religion by Harold Bloom

    "Treasures in the Heavens" by Hugh Nibley

    "The Development of the Doctrine of Pre-Existence, 1830-1844" by Charles Harrell

    The Man Behind the Discourse: A Biography of King Follett by Joann Follett Mortensen

    The King Follett Sermon: A Biography by William Smith

    57m - Feb 5, 2024
  • 58. The King Follett Discourse: Joseph Smith's "Greatest Sermon" (Part 1/2)

    In this two-part series, Skye introduces the audience to the sermon considered by most to be Joseph Smith's greatest and most important sermon. This last of Joseph Smith's general conference talks, far from being speculative "deep doctrine", is presented as being the foundation for Mormon theology. The King Follett Sermon is a foundation of Mormon theology.


    KSL clip; Devotional

    History of the Church, volume 6 (B.H. Roberts); JD 6.1-11

    Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, edited by Joseph Fielding Smith

    Newly Amalgamated Text (Stan Larson, 1978 BYU Studies)


    "The King Follett Discourse: Joseph Smith's Greatest Sermon in Historical Perspective" by Donald Cannon

    "The Doctrinal Impact of the King Follett Discourse" ; "The King Follett Discourse: Textual History and Criticism" by Van Hale

    "The King Follett Discourse: Pinnacle or Peripheral?" by James Faulconer and Susannah Morrison


    The Bible Among the Myths by John Oswalt

    Biblical Words and Their Meaning; God, Language and Scripture by Moises Silva

    Exegetical Fallacies by D. A. Carson

    The Trinitarian Theology of Cornelius Van Til by Lane Tipton

    "Trichotomy: A Beachhead of Gnostic Influence" by Kim Riddlebarger


    No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie

    Blood of the Prophets by Will Bagley

    Conflict in the Quorum by Gary Bergera

    Mormonism and the Magic World View by D. Michael Quinn

    In Sacred Loneliness by Todd Compton

    Nauvoo Polygamy by George Smith


    The American Religion by Harold Bloom

    "Treasures in the Heavens" by Hugh Nibley

    "The Development of the Doctrine of Pre-Existence, 1830-1844" by Charles Harrell

    The Man Behind the Discourse: A Biography of King Follett by Joann Follett Mortensen

    The King Follett Sermon: A Biography by William Smith

    1h 29m - Jan 29, 2024
  • 57. Interview with Colin Hamilton (The Hamilton Boys, Part 2/2)

    In this episode, Skyler sits down with his brother, Colin Hamilton, about his “Mormon Story”. Colin's story ended not in agnosticism/atheism or in "new age", but in Creedal Christian belief.

    Skyler and Colin discuss their mutual (shared, though distinct) journey – while landing on several of Colin’s stories that may help the listener understand the Mormon worldview, and the Mormon experience for someone who (as a Mormon) actually cared about doctrine, and not just fuzzy experience. Colin's story includes bits of previously-believed Mormon theology, and currently-believed Christian theology, along the way.

    Skyler and Colin Hamilton were baptized in the name of the Triune God on the same day, May 16, 2021 - along with their mother, at Life In Christ CRC. All have formally removed their names from the LDS church and, as part of their baptism, renounced the Mormon gods, prophets, and "gospel".

    The two churches that have been their home are FBC Provo and Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna - along with some dear siblings at Christ Fellowship Church in American Fork.


    Recommended resources: 

    Lecture by Jeff DurbinAmerican GospelSermon by Voddie Baucham 

    Augustine’s Confessions 

    The Forgotten TrinityThe King James Only Controversy by James White 

    Simply Trinity by Matthew Barrett 

    The Incarnation of God by John Clark and Marcus Peter Johnson 

    Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin

    Christian Apologetics by Cornelius Van Til  

    The One Christ: St. Augustine’s Theology of Deification by David Vincent Meconi 

    Ironies of Faith by Anthony Esolen

    The Family Worship Book by Terry Johnson 

    Jason Wallace: herehereherehereherehere, and here 

     

    (Some) Mormon sources: 

    Joseph Smith: here and here 

    Lectures on Faith 

    Brigham Young: herehere and here 

    Waiting for World’s End: The Diaries of Wilford Woodruff, edited by Susan Staker 

    Elias: An Epic for the Ages by Orson F. Whitney 

    Ezra Taft Benson: here and here 

    Our grandmother’s story is found in The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer W. Kimball (also: here); There was also a signed First Presidency Statement/Letter issued for, and read at, our grandfather’s funeral. 


    A Gospel Trilogy by Cleon Skousen (also here

    Earth In the Beginning by Eric Skousen 

    Temple and Cosmos by Hugh Nibley 

    LDS Temple transcript: here and here; A form of the transcript is in Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner (also: here

    New Testament Witnesses of Christ by John Hall 

    Eternal Man by Truman Madsen 

    The Second Comforter by Denver Snuffer 

     

    No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie 

    Mormonism and the Magic World View by D. Michael Quinn 

    • Colin recommends a shorter book, The Angel and the Sorcerer by Peter Levenda if Quinn’s book is too lengthy or intimidating.

     

    Conflict in the Quorum by Gary Bergera 

    Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith by Linda King Newell 

    “A Gift Given: A Gift Taken – Washing, Anointing, and Blessing the Sick Among Mormon Women” by Linda King Newell 

    1h 18m - Jan 22, 2024
  • 56. Interview with Colin Hamilton (The Hamilton Boys, Part 1/2)

    In this episode, Skyler sits down with his brother, Colin Hamilton, about his “Mormon Story”. Colin's story ended not in agnosticism/atheism or in "new age", but in Creedal Christian belief.

    Skyler and Colin discuss their mutual (shared, though distinct) journey – while landing on several of Colin’s stories that may help the listener understand the Mormon worldview, and the Mormon experience for someone who (as a Mormon) actually cared about doctrine, and not just fuzzy experience. Colin's story includes bits of previously-believed Mormon theology, and currently-believed Christian theology, along the way.

    Skyler and Colin Hamilton were baptized in the name of the Triune God on the same day, May 16, 2021 - along with their mother, at Life In Christ CRC. All have formally removed their names from the LDS church and, as part of their baptism, renounced the Mormon gods, prophets, and "gospel".

    The two churches that have been their home are FBC Provo and Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna - along with some dear siblings at Christ Fellowship Church in American Fork.

     

    Recommended resources: 

    Lecture by Jeff Durbin; American Gospel; Sermon by Voddie Baucham 

    Augustine’s Confessions 

    The Forgotten Trinity; The King James Only Controversy by James White 

    Simply Trinity by Matthew Barrett 

    The Incarnation of God by John Clark and Marcus Peter Johnson 

    Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin 

    Christian Apologetics by Cornelius Van Til

    The One Christ: St. Augustine’s Theology of Deification by David Vincent Meconi 

    Ironies of Faith by Anthony Esolen

    The Family Worship Book by Terry Johnson 

    Jason Wallace: here, here, here, here, here, here, and here 

     

    (Some) Mormon sources: 

    Joseph Smith: here and here 

    Lectures on Faith 

    Brigham Young: here, here and here 

    Waiting for World’s End: The Diaries of Wilford Woodruff, edited by Susan Staker 

    Elias: An Epic for the Ages by Orson F. Whitney 

    Ezra Taft Benson: here and here 

    Our grandmother’s story is found in The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer W. Kimball (also: here); There was also a signed First Presidency Statement/Letter issued for, and read at, our grandfather’s funeral. 

     

    A Gospel Trilogy by Cleon Skousen (also here

    Earth In the Beginning by Eric Skousen 

    Temple and Cosmos by Hugh Nibley 

    LDS Temple transcript: here and here; A form of the transcript is in Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner (also: here

    New Testament Witnesses of Christ by John Hall 

    Eternal Man by Truman Madsen 

    The Second Comforter by Denver Snuffer 

     

    No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie 

    Mormonism and the Magic World View by D. Michael Quinn 

    • Colin recommends a shorter book, The Angel and the Sorcerer by Peter Levenda if Quinn’s book is too lengthy or intimidating.

     

    Conflict in the Quorum by Gary Bergera 

    Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith by Linda King Newell 

    “A Gift Given: A Gift Taken – Washing, Anointing, and Blessing the Sick Among Mormon Women” by Linda King Newell 

    1h 30m - Jan 15, 2024
  • 55. E. G. Romine on Charles Spurgeon, “The Prince of Preachers” (Part 2/2)

    In this episode, Skyler interviews Dr. Ed Romine about his book The Booming Baritone Bell of England: The Pedagogy and Practice of Charles Haddon Spurgeon’s Open-Air Preaching. The interview will cover Spurgeon's basic biography, including chapters such as the Downgrade Controversy - and will include any comments Spurgeon had about Mormonism. Toward the end, we will also cover some of Ed’s story and how he came to be an Elder at FBC Provo

    An example of an Ed Romine sermon can be found here and here.


    Other Resources: 

    Ten Essential Sermons of Charles Spurgeon, Introduction by Tom Nettles 


    Spurgeon by Arnold Dallimore 

    Spurgeon the Pastor: Recovering a Biblical and Theological Vision for Ministry by Geoffrey Chang 

    “What Was the Downgrade Controversy Actually All About?” by Alex DePrima (also: here)

    Living by Revealed Truth: The Life and Pastoral Theology of Charles Haddon Spurgeon by Tom Nettles 

    The Child is the Father of the Man: C.H. Spurgeon by Tom Nettles 

    Reformation Theology: A Systematic Summary by Matthew Barrett 

     

    “Mormons, Crickets, and Gulls: A New Look At An Old Story” by William Hartley (Utah Historical Quarterly, Vol. 38, 1970, No. 3) 

    1h 8m - Jan 8, 2024
  • 54. E. G. Romine on Charles Spurgeon, “The Prince of Preachers” (Part 1/2)

    In this episode, Skyler interviews Dr. Ed Romine about his book The Booming Baritone Bell of England: The Pedagogy and Practice of Charles Haddon Spurgeon’s Open-Air Preaching. The interview will cover Spurgeon's basic biography, including chapters such as the Downgrade Controversy - and will include any comments Spurgeon had about Mormonism. Toward the end, we will also cover some of Ed’s story and how he came to be an Elder at FBC Provo

    An example of an Ed Romine sermon can be found here and here.


    Other Resources: 

    Ten Essential Sermons of Charles Spurgeon, Introduction by Tom Nettles 


    Spurgeon by Arnold Dallimore 

    Spurgeon the Pastor: Recovering a Biblical and Theological Vision for Ministry by Geoffrey Chang 

    “What Was the Downgrade Controversy Actually All About?” by Alex DePrima (also: here)

    Living by Revealed Truth: The Life and Pastoral Theology of Charles Haddon Spurgeon by Tom Nettles 

    The Child is the Father of the Man: C.H. Spurgeon by Tom Nettles 

    Reformation Theology: A Systematic Summary by Matthew Barrett 

     

    “Mormons, Crickets, and Gulls: A New Look At An Old Story” by William Hartley (Utah Historical Quarterly, Vol. 38, 1970, No. 3) 

    1h 24m - Jan 1, 2024
  • 53. "Final" Judgment(s); The Universalist-impulse, Exaltation(s), and the sons of perdition

    In this episode, Brendon and Skyler discuss the fifty-second lesson in the LDS Come, Follow Me sunday school manual. This week (December 25-31) is titled “He that Overcometh Shall Inherit All Things” and covers Revelation 15-22. 

    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors!  

    Pastor Brendon's Colossians series can be found here and/or here

     

    Seminary Manual: here, here and here 

    • “Help students discover that “the spirit of prophecy” (verse 10) refers to the gift of revelation and inspiration from God, which allows us to receive and speak His word.” 


    Gospel Principles and here, here and here 

    1 Nephi 10.20-21, 14.7,10; 2 Nephi 9.46; Mosiah 3.11,19, 4.30, 5.15, 24, 15.25; Alma 5.39, 11.34-44, 12.12-14, 27, 28.11-12, 34.33-35, 42.10; Mormon 3.20; 3 Nephi 26.4-5, 27.33; Moroni 8.22 

    D&C 11; 19; 29; 38; 45; 58; 68; 76; 82; 88; 128; 130; 131; 132; 133; 137 

    “Celestial Kingdom”  

    The Words of Joseph Smith edited by Andrew Ehat and Lyndon Cook 

    • “No man is a minister of Jesus Christ without being a prophet. No man can be a minister of Jesus Christ except he has the testimony of Jesus, and this is the spirit of prophecy. Whenever salvation has been administered it has been by testimony.” (p.10) 
    • “Now if any man has the testimony of Jesus, has he not the spirit of prophecy? And if he has the spirit of prophecy, I ask, is he not a prophet? And if a prophet, he can receive revelation. And any man that does not receive revelation for himself must be damned, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” (p. 230) 


    Joseph Smith: here and here 

    The Articles of Faith by James Talmage 

    “Divine Love” (Russell Nelson) 

    “My Words...Never Cease” (Jeffrey Holland) 

    Statements of the LDS First Presidency, edited by Gary Bergera: 

    • “According to the light we receive, so shall we be judged; the Lord will not hold us responsible for what we have had no opportunity of learning and His mercies will be extended to those who do not know the law.” (Joseph F. Smith to William A. Smith, Jan. 23, 1903; p. 244) 

     

    The New Testament Made Easier by David Ridges 

    Doctrinal New Testament Commentary; Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie 

    The Revelation of John the Apostle by Richard Draper and Michael Rhodes 

    “The Redemption of the Dead: A Latter-day Saint Perspective on the Fate of the Unevangelized” by David Paulsen 

    Joseph Smith the Prophet by Truman Madsen 

    • “To those who argued that there was no such thing as prophecy, anceint or modern, he would say (quoting John in Revelation 19:10): ‘The New Testament says that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. I am a servant of Jesus Christ. I have a testimony of Jesus. Therefore, I am a prophet.’ Occasionally, he tied his enemies into a logical paradox. He would say, ‘Have you discovered that there is no revelation? How?’ They would say, ‘Does not the Bible end all revelation?’ He would reply, ‘If so, there is a great defect in the book or it would have said so.’ Pointing out that it takes revelation to know that there will be no more revelation, he once asked, ‘Have ye turned revelators? Then why deny revelation?’” 


    Brigham Young: JD 4.220 ; "Discourse on Marriage" 

    Heber C. Kimball: JD 7.236 

     

    A Treatise on Atonement by Hosea Ballou 

    Jason Wallace: here and here 

    Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Sandra and Jerald Tanner 

    “This is My Doctrine”: The Development of Mormon Theology by Charles Harrell 

    The Mound Builder Myth by Jason Colavito 

    “Anti-Universalist Rhetoric in the Book of Mormon” by Dan Vogel; found in New Approaches to the Book of Mormon, edited by Brent Metcalfe 

     

    Christianity and Liberalism by J. Gresham Machen 

    The Joy of Hearing; Revelation (BECNT) by Thomas Schreiner 

    The Book of Revelation (NIGTC) by G.K. Beale 

    The Returning King by Vern Poythress 

    Triumph of the Lamb by Dennis Johnson 

    All Things New by Brian Tabb 

    The Question of Canon; Canon Revisited by Michael Kruger 

    1h 21m - Dec 25, 2023
  • (Bonus Ep. 8) Last Recap of the Year

    In this episode, Skyler goes over a few loose ends from previous episodes. This includes Wilford Woodruff’s vision of, and temple work for the “founding fathers” - some aspects of the LDS version of the fundamentalist v. modernist debate to keep in mind (so as to not put Boyd K. Packer and J. Gresham Machen on the same side of the divide) - J. Reuben Clark’s impact on LDS church education, and two book recommendations to read on biblical canon. 


    D&C 98; D&C 101; Wilford Woodruff: JD 19:229 

    Temples of the Most High, compiled by N.B. Lundwall 

    Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith 

    The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson; “The Constitution: A Heavenly Banner” 

    Things in Heaven and Earth: The Life and Times of Wilford Woodruff, a Mormon Prophet by Thomas Alexander 

    “Wilford Woodruff’s Vision of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence” by Brian H. Stuy; found in Dimensions of Faith, edited by Stephen Taysom 

    The Other Eminent Men of Wilford Woodruff by Vicki Jo Anderson 

    “Joseph Smith Goes to Washington, 1839-40" by Ronald Barney 

    No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie

    “Proclamation - Rebellion in the Territory of Utah” by President James Buchanan 

    The Mormon Rebellion: America’s First Civil War, 1857-1858 by David Bigler and Will Bagley 

     

    Seminary Manual (for teachers) 

    Mormonism in Transition by Thomas Alexander 

    Mormons and the Bible by Philip Barlow 

    “The 1911 Evolution Controversy at Brigham Young University” by Gary Bergera; found in Search for Harmony: Essays on Science and Mormonism, edited by Gene Sessions and Craig Oberg 

    Brigham Young University: A House of Faith by Gary Bergera and Ronald Priddis 

    “A Charted Course in Church Education” by J. Reuben Clark (and here

    “The Mantle is Far, Far Greater than the Intellect” by Boyd K. Packer 

    “The Secret Mormon Meetings of 1922” by Shannon Caldwell Montez 

    “W.H. Chamberlin and the Quest for a Mormon Theology” by James M. McLachlan 

    “Seers, Savants and Evolution: The Uncomfortable Interface” by Duane Jeffery 

    Lynn Packer: here ; Mormon Land (and here

    Gospel Topics Essays 

     

    The Modernist Impulse in American Protestantism by William Hutchison 

    The Presbyterian Controversy by Bradley Longfield 

    Defending the Faith by D.G. Hart 

    David Swing: here; Charles Briggs: here, here, here, and here 

    The Inspiration and Authority of Scripture by B.B. Warfield (and here

    Christianity and Liberalism by J. Gresham Machen 

    The Church Confronts Modernity: Catholic Intellectuals and the Progressive Era by Thomas Woods

    Fundamentalism and American Culture by George Marsden 

     

    Seminary Manual (for teachers) 

    “My Words...Never Cease” (Jeffrey Holland) 

    The Question of Canon; Canon Revisited by Michael Kruger 

    1h 25m - Dec 21, 2023
  • 52. Christmas

    In this episode, Brendon and Skyler discuss the fifty-second lesson in the LDS Come, Follow Me sunday school manual. This week (December 18-24) is titled “Good Tidings of Great Joy” and covers Christmas. 

    We invite you to worship with us on any Sunday - either at First Baptist Church of Provo or Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna. We welcome visitors!  

    Pastor Brendon's Colossians series can be found here and/or here


    Individuals and Families 

    Gospel Principles ; here and here 

    Statements of the LDS First Presidency compiled by Gary Bergera 

    Joseph Smith told Alexander Neibaur that he saw Jesus with a light complexion (white skin) and blue eyes (A.N. Journal, May 24,1844) - thus, looking a lot like...Joseph Smith. Whiteness is also true of Mary in 1 Nephi 11.13-15, who is even claimed by some LDS to be from England, based on legend.   

    Brigham Young: JD 7.289; 10.324-325 

    “Remembering Christmas Past” by Larry Porter 

    “Nephi and His Asherah” by Daniel Peterson (also here, here, and here

     

    “For Mormons, Christmastime Is For Honoring Jesus – and Joseph Smith” by Sharon Lindbloom 

    Christmas Books (MRM) by Eric Johnson 

     

    The First Days of Jesus: The Story of the Incarnation by Andreas Kostenberger and Alexander Stewart 

    Why God Became Man by Anselm 

    On the Incarnation of Our Lord by Athanasius 

    Nativity Sermons I-VIII by Pope Leo the Great 

    Sermons to the People: Advent, Christmas, New Year, Epiphany by Augustine  

    Christianity and Liberalism; The Virgin Birth of Christ by J. Gresham Machen 

    Miracles by C.S. Lewis 

    The Incarnation of God by John Clark and Marcus Johnson 

    The Birth of Christ by J.V. Fesko 

    1h 9m - Dec 18, 2023
  • (Bonus Ep. 7) Do LDS Believe in Hell?: A Response

    This is a response to this short. There is nothing here that is meant to take away, in any way, from the good this ministry does and will continue to do. In fact, in defense of the short - the LDS often obfuscate with their use of language, rather than clarify, including on their website.

    The citations which the short portrays, and one from the comments are:

    D&C 29.36-38; 76. 28-38; 88.24,32; "Hell" (LDS website)

    The episode at issue in which we originally covered this is here. There will be overlap in coverage with other episodes from throughout the year, as well as the upcoming episode on Final Judgment.


    LDS Website, e.g. - “Grace” 

    1 Nephi 10.20-2114.7,10, 15.352 Nephi 9.46; 28.21-23Alma 1.3-434.32-35, 41.4-5423 Nephi 26.4-527.11-17,33D&C 19; 133.73; Moses 4; Abraham 3  

    Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith; also, here and here 

    The Words of Joseph Smith edited by Andrew Ehat and Lyndon Cook 

    History of the Church 5.517 

     

    “Life and Death, or Organization and Disorganization” by Brigham Young (July 10,1853) 

    “The Three Glories” by Brigham Young (August 26, 1860); notice – even in the sermon where he says concerning D&C 76 that it “far outweigh[s] all the Christian tenets, doctrines, and systems they have drawn from the Bible” and that “[T]he doctrine God has revealed here is more precious to me, and is worth more than all the doctrines of Christendom” - he still goes on to say: “The Kingdoms that God has prepared are innumerable.” He did not read D&C 76 as teaching that the lines between the kingdoms are eternal barriers. Moreover, he states that the LDS elders' preaching hell is “good for nothing.” 

    “Eternal Punishment - ‘Mormonism,’ &c.” by Brigham Young (January 12, 1862) - wherein he states: “God’s punishment is eternal, but that does not prove that a wicked person will remain eternally in a state of punishment.” He here also distinguishes himself between the first and second death. Notice: no caveat made for anyone here – even under his discussion of the second death.  

     

    Brigham Young: JD 1.118, 1.185 (also here); 1.275-276; 2.31; 2.124; 2.135-136; 2.137; 3.94; 3.247; 4.285; 5.76; 7.57; 9.333 

    Heber C. Kimball: JD 1. 161, 3.109, 3.1254.2,4-5; 4.223; 4.329; 5.95; 5.203   

    John Taylor: JD 1.151-152 

    Orson Pratt: JD 2. 336-337 

    • Orson Pratt used D&C 76 to argue that not all people of the worlds under the Father are literally children of his, but rather of the network of gods, more generally.

     

    Jedediah M. Grant: JD 2.227 

    George A. Smith: JD 12.333-334 

    George Q. Cannon: JD 24.374 

    Chas. W. Penrose: JD 24.91-93: “But it does not follow that because a person may be banished into the eternal punishment it is intended that he shall stay there eternally. He may go into eternal punishment, he may go to the place prepared for the rebellious and the sinner and stay there but for a certain period.” He then goes on to speak of D&C 19, then D&C 76 – and then states: “The sons of perdition are to go away into this everlasting punishment.” He makes only the caveat of “this world or the world to come”. 

    A few more relevant Brigham Young quotes: 

    • On the 1/3 of the children point – Brigham Young taught that: “Do you suppose that one third part of all the beings that existed in eternity came with [Lucifer]? No, but one third part of the spirits that were begotten and organized and brought forth to become tenants of fleshly bodies to dwell upon this earth.” 

     

    • “Who will be saved in the celestial kingdom of God? They that have the oracles of truth and obey them. Where will the rest go? Into kingdoms that God has and will prepare for them and there are millions of such kingdoms. There is as many degrees of glory as there are degrees of capacity and to them will be meted out according to their faith, and goodness and the truth that abides in them and according to the light God has imparted to them.” (The Essential Brigham Young, pp.139-140)  

     

    • "Do we know what hell is? And where hell is? Who can point it out? In many instances where the apostles have been speaking and likewise Jesus in his communications to the people this earth is compared to hell. Well it is in one sense. If we find out really that hell is anything more or less than this earth, this wicked world, we shall find that it is banishment from the society and presence of Holy beings." (The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, Vol. 1, pg. 1103) 

     

    • Young stated in a "Discourse on Marriage" that women "are not accountable for the sins that are in the world." This is one of the places where the idea that women cannot become "sons of perdition" is taught. He also teaches that here, but says “in hell”. 

     

     

    Evidences and Reconciliations; A Rational Theology; Joseph Smith: Seeker After Truth – Prophet of God; The Message of the Doctrine and Covenants by John A. Widtsoe 

    • “In the Great Plan there is no provision for the eternal damnation of man.” (A Rational Theology, p. 183) 
    • “In the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, there is no hell...The gospel of Jesus Christ has no hell in the old proverbial sense.” (Joseph Smith: Seeker After Truth - Prophet of God, p. 178) 

    Elias: An Epic of the Ages by Orson F. Whitney 

    Jesus the Christ by James E. Talmage 

    A Gospel Trilogy by Cleon Skousen 

    • “Elder Widtsoe then called my attention to Doctrine and Covenants, 88:32 where it says that these afflicted entities will ‘RETURN AGAIN to their own place.’ The scripture says this means: ‘They shall go away into outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth.’ (D&C 133:73). From all of this we learn that the scriptures clearly teach that we all originally came from outer darkness and the sons of perdition return AGAIN to the place from which we all originated.” (p.11, emphasis in original) 


    Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie 

    Gospel Principles Preach My Gospel: A Guide to Missionary Service 

    LDS Temple transcript: here and here; A form of it is in the book by Sandra Tanner, cited below. This is the script that Skyler read from in the episode. Apparently, there is also a line (missing from the Tanner version) about believing in “a devil”, as well. Notice: the belief in “a devil” is condemned literally in a scene where Lucifer is present. 

     

    “Review: Heaven, Hell, and Other People: A Wandering Review of Samuel Brown’s First Principels and Ordinances” by Michael Austin 

    Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? by Sandra and Jerald Tanner 

    Mormonism in Transition by Thomas Alexander 

    The Development of LDS Temple Worship, 1846-2000: A Documentary History, edited by Devery Anderson 

    The Mysteries of Godliness: A History of Mormon Temple Worship by David John Buerger 

    Mormon Matters 

    “Eternal Damnation, Outer Darkness, and the Reorganization of Intelligence” by Tom Bennett 

     

    Concise Theology by J.I. Packer 

    Simply Put: here and here 

    “Trichotomy: A Beachhead for Gnostic Influences” by Kim Riddlebarger  

    Isaac Watts Hymn: “When I can Read My Title Clear” 

    55m - Dec 14, 2023
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