Real conversations with influential voices in faith, leadership, and culture. Each episode features in-depth dialogue with pastors, athletes, entrepreneurs, and creatives who are shaping this generation. Hosted by Benny Perez, this podcast brings insight, inspiration, and authenticity you won’t find anywhere else.

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n this episode of the BOTH&amp; Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with his son, Benjamin, for an honest conversation about leadership, consistency, faithfulness, identity, and learning to trust God with the season you’re in. For young leaders especially, it’s easy to get distracted by the next opportunity, compare your journey to someone else’s, or feel like you need to make something happen. Pastor Benny and Benjamin unpack why lasting leadership isn’t built on hype or a platform—it’s built through daily decisions, consistency, serving others, embracing mentorship, and being faithful with what God has already placed in your hands. You don’t have to be the biggest. You don’t have to be the fastest. You just have to be faithful.

Why So Many Young Leaders Burn Out | Benny Perez | Both& Ep.22

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In this live episode of The Both&amp; Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with his son, Benaiah Perez, Creative Director of Battleborn Festival, for an honest conversation about identity, leadership, creativity, influence, revival, and learning to trust God&#39;s voice over people&#39;s opinions. They discuss: • How to overcome the fear of man• Why comparison steals your calling• Using social media without making it your identity• How revival really starts• Why you don&#39;t have to chase opportunities• Learning to use what&#39;s already in your hand• The biggest mistake young leaders make• Why authenticity is more powerful than imitation ▶️ Listen now:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1PdWGqJ...Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 👇 Join the Kingdom First community here:https://kingdomfirst.bennyperez.com/ 📣 Watch more conversations, subscribe for new episodes twice a month!

Stop Chasing Success. Start Chasing God! w/ Benaiah Perez | Both& Ep.21

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Why do people quit? In this honest conversation, Pastor Benny Perez and Pastor Michael unpack what it really takes to endure difficult seasons without losing your faith, purpose, or joy. From church planting and financial hardship to grief, betrayal, counseling, and leadership, this episode explores how God uses adversity to shape people who last. Whether you&#39;re leading a church, raising a family, building a business, or simply trying to keep going through a difficult season, this conversation will encourage you to stay faithful. ▶️ Listen now:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1PdWGqJ...Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 👇 Join the Kingdom First community here:https://kingdomfirst.bennyperez.com/ 📣 Watch more conversations, subscribe for new episodes twice a month!

The Conversation Every Young Leader Needs to Hear w/ Pastor Michael El-Takrori | Both& Ep.20

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What does the Bible really say about sex in marriage? In this honest and practical conversation, Pastors Benny and Wendy Perez discuss God’s design for sex, intimacy, and connection within marriage. From common misconceptions in the church to questions many couples are afraid to ask, they explore what Scripture teaches about sex, communication, emotional connection, identity, mutual consent, and building a healthy marriage. They also talk about the impact of culture on our view of intimacy, why many couples struggle in this area, the importance of healing from past wounds, and how spiritual, emotional, intellectual, and physical intimacy work together to strengthen a marriage. Whether you&#39;re married, engaged, or preparing for the future, this episode offers biblical wisdom and practical insights to help you build a thriving, God-centered relationship. ▶️ Listen now:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1PdWGqJ...Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 👇 Join the Kingdom First community here:https://kingdomfirst.bennyperez.com/ 📣 Watch more conversations, subscribe for new episodes twice a month!

The Truth About Sex the Church Rarely Talks About w/ Pastor Wendy Perez | Both& Ep.19

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After 27 years of marriage and raising three children who love God, serve in church, and are thriving as adults, Pastors Benny and Wendy Perez sit down for one of their most requested conversations: parenting. In this episode of Both&amp;, they discuss the principles that shaped their family culture, how they navigated discipline, social media, identity, dating, accountability, church involvement, and raising children in today&#39;s world. Whether you&#39;re parenting toddlers, teenagers, or adult children, this conversation is filled with practical wisdom, honest stories, and biblical principles that can help you build a healthy, Christ-centered home. In this episode:• Creating a kingdom culture at home• Why church was always a joy, not a burden• Parenting through the social media age• Accountability and technology• Helping children develop a strong identity in Christ• Discipline vs. punishment• Dating, boundaries, and protecting your kids• Why relationship matters more than rules• The five parenting principles that guided the Perez family ▶️ Listen now:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1PdWGqJ...Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 👇 Join the Kingdom First community here:https://kingdomfirst.bennyperez.com/ 📣 Watch more conversations, subscribe for new episodes twice a month!

How We Raised Kids Who Still Love Jesus w/ Pastor Wendy Perez | Both& Ep.18

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What happens when a generation has unlimited access to information but struggles with transformation? In this episode of the Both&amp; Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with Pastor Michael El-Takrori to discuss the challenges facing today&#39;s generation, from AI and technology to church hopping, spiritual covering, mentorship, and authentic community. They explore why information alone doesn&#39;t produce maturity, the dangers of isolation, the importance of being planted in a local church, and why spiritual fathers, mentors, and real relationships are more valuable than ever. If you&#39;ve ever wondered how to navigate modern technology while staying rooted in biblical truth, this conversation is for you. About Pastor Michael El-Takrori:Michael El-Takrori has spent the last 15 years serving in full-time ministry, helping people grow in their faith and discover God&#39;s purpose for their lives. Alongside his wife, Gia, he served in youth ministry for many years before stepping into multiple leadership roles at ChurchLV, where he currently serves as an Executive Pastor, Young Adults Pastor, School of Ministry Director, and Location Pastor. ▶️ Listen now:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1PdWGqJ...Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... 👇 Join the Kingdom First community here:https://kingdomfirst.bennyperez.com/ 📣 Watch more conversations, subscribe for new episodes twice a month!

The Hidden Danger of AI, Isolation, and Church Hopping w/ Michael El-Takrori | Both& Ep.17

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In this episode of the Both &amp; Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with his oldest son, Benjamin Perez, 25 year old Youth Director at ChurchLV, where he has served for the past 2.5 years —for an honest conversation about spiritual warfare, deliverance, demonic oppression, and the authority believers have in Jesus.Pastor Benny shares real ministry encounters from over 40 years in ministry; including deliverance stories, demonic manifestations, supernatural experiences, and lessons learned from helping people find freedom through Jesus.Benjamin Perez also speaks into why Gen Z is increasingly drawn to spiritual practices without realizing the doors they may be opening.In this episode:• Real deliverance and exorcism stories• The difference between oppression and possession• Why fear is one of the enemy’s greatest weapons• Sleep paralysis and spiritual attacks• Zodiac signs, tarot cards, Ouija boards &amp; open doors• Why believers need to know their authority in Christ• How the name of Jesus brings freedom“This is not a game. This is real.”

Demons, Deliverance & Ministry To Gen Z w/ Benjamin Perez | Both& Ep.16

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In this powerful episode of Both&amp;, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with Rabbi Jason to unpack identity, freedom, and the deeper meaning of what Jesus actually paid for on the cross. From a supernatural encounter in heaven to a life of discovering Jesus through the Hebrew Scriptures, Rabbi Jason shares how many people are living stuck, not because God hasn’t moved, but because they’re still thinking like they’re in “Egypt.” If you’ve ever felt stuck, limited, or defined by your past, this episode will challenge and free you. 📖 About Rabbi Jason:Rabbi Jason Sobel is a Messianic Jewish rabbi, author, and speaker known for revealing the deep connections between the Old and New Testaments. Raised in a Jewish home in New Jersey, his spiritual journey led him to faith in Jesus (Yeshua), shaping his life’s mission to help people understand the Bible through its Hebrew roots.He is the founder of Fusion Global and serves as a spiritual advisor to The Chosen. Rabbi Jason holds degrees in Jewish Studies and Intercultural Studies and received his rabbinic ordination in 2005.He is the author of several bestselling books, including Mysteries of the Messiah and The God of the Way, and his latest release, Transformed by the Messiah. Through teaching, media, and global tours, he equips believers to walk in a deeper understanding of Scripture and their identity in God.

From Jewish Roots to Radical Faith w/ Rabbi Jason Sobel | Both& Ep.15

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You can be gifted… and still completely out of alignment.In this powerful conversation, Pastor Benny Perez and Pastor Jeff T. Osborne break down a hard truth most people don’t want to hear: talent doesn’t equal readiness.Many people rush into purpose, platform, and opportunity—but skip the very thing that sustains it: process.You’ll also hear a powerful analogy about being a bullet and not the gun, and why timing, positioning, and alignment determine your impact.If you’ve been feeling stuck, overlooked, or confused about your next step, this message will challenge and realign your perspective!About Jeff T. Osborne:Jeff T. Osborne is a transformational leader, identity coach, author, and speaker whose life reflects resilience and redemption. Once facing prison, homelessness, and deep identity struggles, his journey became a powerful testimony of discovering purpose through transformation.Today, he helps individuals, CEOs, and leaders around the world break limitations, uncover their true identity, and step into alignment in both life and leadership.With over 15 years of experience, he has coached globally and spoken to diverse audiences, guiding people to grow from the inside out and live with clarity, confidence, and purpose.At his core, he is a husband, father, and leader committed to helping others live a life that is loud, large, and loved.

Can You Be Gifted and Still Out of Alignment? w/ Pastor Jeff T. Osborne | Both& Ep.14

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Culture is loud—but truth is eternal. In this powerful conversation, Tim Timberlake and Benny Perez dive deep into why this generation is rejecting fake Christianity and craving truth—even when it hurts. They unpack:- Why mislabeling Jesus limits your life- The difference between Jesus as Teacher vs Lord- Why truth must confront, not just comfort- The danger of chasing acceptance over God’s approvalHow culture is attacking the foundation of faith This isn’t just a conversation, it’s a wake-up call. About Pastor Tim TImberlake:Tim Timberlake serves as the Senior Pastor of Celebration Church. He’s a graduate of the Pistis School of Ministry in Detroit, Michigan. Pastor Tim is a gifted communicator and teacher who has the ability to communicate to people from all walks of life. His sense of humor, combined with his in-depth Bible teaching, gives the listener and reader the tools to transform their lives from the inside out. He takes pleasure in the small things, is an avid sports fan, and a popular thought leader. Pastor Tim lives in Jacksonville, FL with his wife Jen and son Maxwell. The Timberlake’s feel most alive when they are pouring back into others, and they seek to glorify God through their lives and family.

Are You Measuring Success the Wrong Way? w/ Pastor Tim Timberlake | Both& Ep.13

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God is speaking… the real question is—can you perceive Him? 👀 In this powerful episode of the Both&amp; Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez welcomes back Pastor Dustin Bates for a deep and timely conversation on hearing the voice of God, real encounters, and living a faith that goes beyond just “me and Jesus.” They unpack why it’s not that God is silent, but that we’re often distracted… how proximity to God changes everything… and why both private AND corporate encounters are essential for real spiritual growth. 🔥 This episode will challenge isolated faith and remind you that your gift isn’t just for you, it’s meant to impact others. From the story of Samuel to life-changing encounters, you’ll see how one moment with God can shift your entire trajectory. If you’ve felt distant, too busy, or unsure if God is speaking, this conversation will awaken your awareness of His presence.

Why Your Faith Needs Community w/ Pastor Dustin Bates | Both& Ep.12

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What does it take to carry both excellence AND the Holy Spirit — without losing your heart in the process?In this powerful episode of the Both&amp; Podcast, Pastor Benny sits down with Pastor Travis Greene for one of the most honest leadership conversations we’ve had yet.They dive into the tension between structure and Spirit… but the conversation goes deeper than expected, straight into betrayal, bitterness, submission, accountability, and finishing well in ministry.This isn’t surface-level leadership talk. This is heart surgery.“Your heart is a house. Bitterness gives someone a room — and locks you out.”If you are a pastor, worship leader, creative, entrepreneur, or believer navigating leadership pressure, church hurt, correction, or betrayal — this conversation will challenge and strengthen you.Ministry flows from the heart.Creativity flows from the heart.Longevity flows from the heart.Guard it.About Pastor Travis Greene:Travis is a Grammy-nominated gospel recording artist, pastor, husband, and father. He and his wife, Dr. Jackie Greene (author, dentist, and mentor), co-pastor Forward City Church in Columbia, South Carolina. Through music and ministry, Travis is passionate about unifying the Body of Christ and exposing people to the transformative love of Jesus. When he’s not traveling or leading, he’s spending time with his wife and their three boys, Jace, Josh, and Judah.

How Leaders Survive Betrayal in Ministry w/ Pastor Travis Greene | Both& Ep.11

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In this powerful episode of the Both&amp; Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez and Pastor Ken Claytor confront some of the most pressing cultural conversations through a Kingdom lens.- Forgiving racism and reverse racism- Refusing victim and entitlement mentalities- Why promotion comes from the Lord- Raising children with kingdom identity- Work ethic, integrity, and biblical diligence- Why your pastor is not your puppet- Speaking with boldness without losing love- Revival, awakening, and what God is doing right now We don’t wrestle against flesh and blood. The real battle is spiritual.This episode will challenge your mindset and provoke deeper thought about how believers should live in a divided culture. About Pastor Ken Claytor: Ken Claytor has a heart to bring people of all backgrounds together to experience the power and love of Jesus. For over 18 years, he has shared the gospel globally while breaking barriers and redefining diversity in the local church.He and his wife Tabatha lead Alive Church — a multi-generational, multi-ethnic church with campuses in Gainesville and Orlando, Florida, and online. What began with just six adults has grown into a thriving ministry reaching thousands each weekend.Pastor Ken is also the founder of the Alive Leadership Institute, host of the Alive Conference, and a sought-after speaker. He and Tabatha have been married for 26 years and have three children. If this conversation encouraged you, don’t forget to like, and share with someone who needs a reminder that there is power in the name of Jesus.

Stop Processing Pain Through Culture w/ Pastor Ken Claytor | Both& Ep.10

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What happens when you believe God is real, but struggle to feel Him? In this powerful podcast conversation, Pastor Jamie Bates of Church 1132 shares how a deep dive into Scripture transformed her faith, healed a season of doubt, and revealed the Bible as a living, layered narrative, not just a rulebook. From feeling out of place in church culture, to wrestling with disappointment, to discovering Jesus through the story behind the story, this conversation is for thinkers, feelers, and anyone who’s ever wondered if something was wrong with them for not “feeling it” the way others do. If you’ve ever felt disconnected, disappointed, or unsure how to approach the Word of God, this conversation will challenge and encourage you. About Pastor Jamie Bates:Pastor Jamie Bates is a pastor, leader, and communicator with a heart for people and a passion for seeing lives transformed by Jesus. Alongside her husband, Pastor Dustin, she pastors Church Eleven32, helping lead the church with wisdom, authenticity, and compassion.Jamie is deeply committed to building healthy families, empowering women, and creating spaces where people can encounter God and walk in freedom. She and Dustin live in the DFW area with their two sons, Jude and Genesis.

The Hidden Layers of Scripture Most Christians Miss w/ Pastor Jamie Bates | Both& Ep.9

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What happens when you truly encounter the power of God? In this powerful and deeply personal podcast episode, Pastor Benny sits down with longtime mentor and friend Tim Storey to talk about the supernatural, healing, impartation, and what it means to live out the “Jesus style” of ministry. From firsthand encounters with God’s presence to stories of healing, bold faith, and learning how to move in the anointing, this conversation pulls back the curtain on what it looks like to walk in spiritual authority with humility, courage, and authenticity. 👤 About Tim StoreyTim Storey is an acclaimed culture-influencing thought leader, life strategist, author, speaker, and counselor. Known for his insight and mentorship among high-profile leaders, athletes, and individuals navigating seasons of recovery and rediscovery, he has been widely recognized as The Original Comeback Coach. With decades of ministry experience, Tim carries a powerful legacy of faith, healing, and impartation, inspiring people to encounter God’s presence and step boldly into their calling.

When God Moves Through You w/ Tim Storey | Both& Ep.8

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What does it look like to live a Both&amp; faith in a world obsessed with extremes? In this episode of Both&amp;, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with guest speaker Jeremy Johnson for an honest and challenging conversation about faithfulness, calling, obedience, and navigating ambition without losing your soul. Together, they unpack the tension between trusting God fully while still stewarding opportunities wisely. This conversation speaks directly to leaders, creatives, pastors, and believers who feel the pull between what God has asked them to do now and what they hope He’ll do next. It’s a reminder that true Kingdom impact starts with obedience, not visibility. About Pastor Jeremy:Pastor Jeremy Johnson is the Lead Pastor of Fearless Church in downtown Los Angeles, alongside his wife Christy and their children. Known for his contagious passion and global ministry, Jeremy carries a heart for revival, seeing culture transformed through the power and love of Jesus. He is also the founder of Ammunition Conference, a gathering birthed to see dreamers rise and live fearlessly in Christ.

Why Success Doesn't Mean You're Obedient with Pastor Jeremy Johnson | Both& Ep. 7

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What happens when the presence of God leaves the church building and enters the streets?In this powerful episode of the BOTH&amp; Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with worship leader and street minister Ryan Horton, whose viral worship moments in subways, streets, and city centers have led to radical encounters with God.Ryan shares unforgettable stories of worship breaking rage, fear, and spiritual oppression—including a moment in the New York subway where a man went from screaming in anger to weeping uncontrollably as the name of Jesus was lifted up.About Ryan Horton:Ryan Horton is a Christian worship leader and evangelist known for bringing worship and the presence of God into public spaces—especially streets and subways in major cities like New York. Through live music, prayer, and Spirit-led moments, Ryan shares the love of Jesus in everyday environments.This episode will stir your faith and challenge you to bring God’s presence wherever you go—your workplace, your city, your daily life.If this conversation encouraged you, don’t forget to like, and share with someone who needs a reminder that there is power in the name of Jesus.

Street Worship & The Power of God’s Presence w/ Ryan Horton | Both& Ep.6

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In today’s episode of the Both&amp; Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with Pastor Dustin Bates for a powerful conversation on hearing the voice of God, spiritual encounters, spiritual dehydration, and how to stay full of God’s presence in a culture that’s getting darker and drier. About Pastor Dustin Bates:With over two decades of experience in ministry, leadership, and business, Pastor Dustin Bates is the lead pastor of Church Eleven32, the founder of Dream Center Dallas, and hosts the leadership podcast &#39;Win Every Time&#39;.He and his wife Jamie reside in the DFW area with their two sons, Jude and Genesis.Dustin has a passion for the local church, equipping the next generation, and seeing city transformation by meeting both spiritual and practical needs.

How to Hear the Voice of God with Pastor Dustin Bates | Both& Ep.5

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In this Both&amp; Podcast episode, Pastor Benny and Dr. Michael Maiden dive deep into miracles, bold faith, and why the supernatural is still essential for the church today. They talk about fear, disappointment, impartation, healing, and the powerful story of a blind woman whose eyes were opened after prayer. This episode will challenge, stretch, and awaken your faith for more. About Dr. Michael Maiden:Dr. Michael Maiden and his wife Mary serve as senior pastors of Church for the Nations in Phoenix, Arizona, preparing God’s people for Kingdom service through relevant, timely, life-changing, and prophetic teaching. He holds a Master’s and Doctorate in Christian Psychology and has authored seven books, including The Joshua Generation and Turn the World Upside Down. Dr. Maiden is a trusted prophetic voice who has ministered to public officials, pastors, and leaders around the world. He serves as President and CEO of Church On The Rock International, overseeing more than 6,000 churches, and sits on multiple ministry boards.

Diving Deep into the Supernatural with Dr. Michael Maiden | Both& Ep. 4

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What if everything you believed about wealth and faith was wrong?In this powerful conversation, Pastor Benny Perez and Myron Golden dives deep into God’s original design for wealth, faith, and hearing His voice. Discover why abundance is part of God’s nature—and how trusting what He says matters more than what you see.

How to Hear God and Walk in Abundance with Dr Myron Golden | Both& Ep. 3

*Real conversations with influential voices in faith, leadership, and culture.* Each episode features in-depth dialogue with pastors, athletes, entrepreneurs, and creatives who are shaping this generation. Hosted by Benny Perez, this podcast brings insight, inspiration, and authenticity you won’t find anywhere else.