Between the Leaves, a poetry podcast hosted by Ellen van Neerven and Hermina Burns. In each episode, Ellen and Hermina illuminate poems written by women and the gender diverse, as well as their own original works, moving through themes like love, race and feminism.

Proudly presented by the Victorian Women’s Trust.

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Proudly presented by the Victorian Women&#39;s Trust  Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Poem Unfinished Business by Dr. Jeanine Leane, read by Ellen van Neerven | Music (Intro) Loop Lady - 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara | Creative Producers Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham | Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock | Recording  Squeak E. Clean Studio, the Voice Plant | Graphic design Aimee Carruthers

A preview of Between the Leaves, a poetry podcast. 

Poem: 'Unfinished Business' by Dr. Jeanine Leane, read by Ellen van Neerven

Dr. Jeanine Leane is a Wiradjuri writer, poet, essayist and academic from southwest New South Wales. She teaches Creative Writing at the University of Melbourne.

A preview of Between the Leaves, a poetry podcast. 

Poem: &#39;Unfinished Business&#39; by Dr. Jeanine Leane, read by Ellen van Neerven

Dr. Jeanine Leane is a Wiradjuri writer, poet, essayist and academic from southwest New South Wales. She teaches Creative Writing at the University of Melbourne.

Preview: Unfinished Business

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Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Music (Intro) Loop Lady - 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara | Creative Producers Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham | Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock | Recording  Squeak E. Clean Studio, the Voice Plant | Graphic design Aimee Carruthers Poems:<ul><li>Angelou, Maya. “Woman Work.” And Still I Rise Random House, 1978.</li><li>Burns, Hermina. “Ironing.” Bite of a Bluebottle Bristlebird Press, 2019.</li><li>Leane, Jeanine. “Unfinished Business”. Cordite Poetry Review, 1 February 2019.</li><li>Van Neerven, Ellen. “Vinegar”. Cordite Poetry Review, 1 February 2019.</li><li>Elson, Rebecca. “Antidotes to Fear of Death”. Responsibility to Awe, published by Carcanet Classics, 2018.</li></ul>

Poets Ellen van Neerven and Hermina Burns share a selection of poems that pay homage to the work that women and gender diverse people do, the hidden histories of unpaid labour, and the real meaning of work.

Work

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Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Music (Intro) Loop Lady - 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara | Creative Producers Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham | Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock | Recording  Squeak E. Clean Studio, the Voice Plant | Graphic design Aimee Carruthers Poems:<ul><li>Saunders, Kirli. “Aunty.” Kindred Magabala Books, 2019.</li><li>Alexander, Elizabeth. “Butter.” Body of Life Tia Chucha Press, 1996.</li><li>Royalle, Candy. “Mother.” The Disappearing Project, Red Room Poetry, 2012.</li><li>Elder, Anne. “Just for Today.”</li><li>Burns, Hermina. “Foraging.” Bite of a Bluebottle Bristlebird Press, 2019.</li><li>van Neerven, Ellen. “Bold and Beautiful”. Throat University of Queensland Press, 2020.</li></ul>

Hosts Ellen van Neerven and Hermina Burns share a selection of poems on the nurturing power of daily love, comfort food and family ties.

Nurturing

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Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Music (Intro) Loop Lady - 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara | Creative Producers Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham | Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock | Recording  Squeak E. Clean Studio, the Voice Plant | Graphic design Aimee Carruthers<ul><li>Bellear, Lisa. &#34;Hanover Street Brunswick 3056&#34;. Australian Literature Diary blog, Kerryn Goldsworthy, 2006.</li><li>van Neerven, Ellen. &#34;Chips&#34;. ABR&#39;s States of Poetry,  #17 States of Poetry QLD Podcast | &#39;Chips&#39;, 2016.</li><li>Burns, Hermina. “Sister Love.” Dodging the relative, Due for release later in 2020.</li><li>Reed-Gilbert, Aunty Kuracca Kerry. &#34;Got Ya.&#34; States of Poetry 2017 - ACT anthology, Australian Book Review, 2017.</li><li>Andrada, Eunice.  &#34;(BECAUSE I AM A DAUGHTER) OF DIASPORA&#34; Solid Air : Australian and New Zealand Spoken Word, David Stavanger (editor), Anne-Marie Te Whiu (editor), St Lucia: University of Queensland Press, 2019 anthology poetry pg. 4-5</li></ul>Correction: We refer to the 1997 report on the Stolen Generation, Bringing them Home as headed by Ronald Henderson. It was in fact headed by Sir Ronald Wilson.

Hosts Ellen and Hermina read a range of poems that go to the heart of race, identity and belonging.

Correction: We refer to the 1997 report on the Stolen Generation, ‘Bringing them Home’ as headed by Ronald Henderson. It was in fact headed by Sir Ronald Wilson.

Race

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Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Music (Intro) Loop Lady - 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara | Creative Producers Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham | Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock | Recording  Squeak E. Clean Studio, the Voice Plant | Graphic design Aimee Carruthers<ul><li>Nichols, Grace. “Invitation”. The fat black woman’s poems. London: Virago, 1984.</li><li>Harford, Lesbia. “Periodicity”. Penguin Book of Australian Women Poets by Llewellyn Kate, Llewellyn Kate and Susan Hampton, 1986</li><li>Campbell, Elizabeth. “In public, gawping at the kid”. Error, John Leonard Press, 2011</li><li>M. Eames, Robin. “Anabasis”. Westerly, 2019. </li><li>Burns, Hermina. “Skin in History”. Bite of a Bluebottle Bristlebird Press, 2019.</li><li>van Neerven, Ellen. “Dysphoria”. <a href="https://www.austlit.edu.au/austlit/page/14890465" rel="nofollow">Overland</a>no.232Springperiodical issue, 2018.</li></ul>

Hosts Ellen and Hermina on poems that explore the contested space that is the body; how it’s seen, represented and experienced.

Body

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Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Music (Intro) Loop Lady - 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara | Creative Producers Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham | Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock | Recording  Squeak E. Clean Studio, the Voice Plant | Graphic design Aimee CarruthersPoems<ul><li>Espinoza, Joshua Jennifer. ‘Makeup Ritual’.  Them. November 2017.</li><li>van Neerven, Maria. ‘Not your mother’</li><li>Gilmore, Mary. “The Woman”. Penguin Book of Australian Women Poets by Llewellyn Kate, Llewellyn Kate and Susan Hampton, 1986.</li><li>Arnold, Josie Stainsby. ‘Gynaecology‘. Love Laughing among the Trees, Longman Cheshire, 1982.</li><li>van Neerven, Ellen. “Queens”. Throat, University of Queensland Press, 2020.</li><li>Beneba Clarke, Maxine. “My Feminism”. Trust Journal, Victorian Women’s Trust, 2017.</li></ul>

Hosts Ellen and Hermina share a selection of poems exploring feminism, gender and intersectionality. Special guest: Maxine Beneba Clarke.

Feminism

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The poems selected are about love. Some also touch on the grief we feel when we lose a loved one. One poem in particular is about the loss of a child. If this raises any issues for you, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visit our website for a full list of support services: <a href="https://www.vwt.org.au/support-services/" rel="nofollow">https://www.vwt.org.au/support-services/</a>Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Music (Intro) Loop Lady - 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara | Creative Producers Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham | Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock | Recording  Squeak E. Clean Studio, the Voice Plant | Graphic design Aimee CarruthersPoems<ul><li>Porter, Dorothy. &#39;Why I love your body&#39;. Crete, South Melbourne: Hyland House,1996.</li><li>Dickinson, Emily. &#39;1731&#39;. The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson, Boston: Little, Brown, 1924</li><li>Burns, Hermina. &#39;Considering a long marriage&#39;. Against Separation Creek, Bristlebird Press, 2019.</li><li>Wright, Judith. &#39;Stillborn&#39;. Judith Wright: Collected Poems, Angus and Robertson, 1971.</li><li>Arnold, Josie. &#39;Patchwork&#39;. Love Laughing among the Trees, Longman Cheshire, 1982.</li><li>van Neerven, Ellen. &#34;This deadly love&#34;. Throat, University of Queensland Press, 2020.</li></ul>

Poems on love, desire and loss selected by Ellen van Neerven and Hermina Burns. Special guest: Andrea Goldsmith.

Love

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This episode discusses violence and abuse. If this raises any issues for you, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visit our website for a full list of <a href="https://www.vwt.org.au/support-services/" rel="nofollow">support services</a>.Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Music (Intro) Loop Lady - 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara | Creative Producers Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham | Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock | Recording  Squeak E. Clean Studio, the Voice Plant | Graphic design Aimee CarruthersPoems<ul><li>Akhmatova, Anna. “Prologue”. Selected Poems, Penguin, 1985.</li><li>Choi, Franny. “TO THE MAN WHO SHOUTED “I LIKE PORK FRIED RICE” AT ME ON THE STREET”. Floating, Brilliant, Gone, Write Bloody Publishing, 2014.</li><li>Burns, Hermina. “The Stick”. Crossing a Line, Bristlebird Press, 2020.</li><li>Kefala, Antigone. “The Actual places”. Absence, 2010.</li><li>Fullerton, Mary. “Puppets”. Penguin Book of Australian Women Poets by Llewellyn Kate, Llewellyn Kate and Susan Hampton, 1986.</li><li>van Neerven, Ellen. “Women are still not being heard”. Throat University of Queensland Press, 2020.</li></ul>

Hosts Ellen and Hermina share a selection of poems exploring racial, gendered and political violence.

Violence

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Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Music (Intro) Loop Lady - 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara | Creative Producers Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns | Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham | Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock | Recording Squeak E. Clean Studio, the Voice Plant | Graphic design Aimee CarruthersPoems<ul><li>Oliver, Mary. ‘I Go Down to the Shore’. A Thousand Mornings, New York: Penguin Press, 2012.</li><li>Saunders, Kirli. ‘Dear Ancestors’. Kindred, Broome: Magabala Books, 2019.</li><li>Dickinson, Emily. ‘This is my letter to the world’. The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson, Boston: Little, Brown, 1955</li><li>Mistral, Gabriela. ‘Three Trees’. Selected Poems of Gabriela Mistral, translated by Ursula K. Le Guin, University of New Mexico Press, 2003.</li><li>Burns, Hermina. ‘The bay at Separation creek’. Against Separation Creek, Bristlebird Press, 2019.</li><li>Rodopoulos, Loula.  ‘Chestnuts’. Loula Rodopoulos – Our Tribute, Victorian Women’s Benevolent Trust, 2015.</li><li>van Neerven, Ellen. ‘Whole Lot’. Comfort Food, Brisbane: University of Queensland Press, 2016.</li></ul>