CommPRO and the Museum of Public Relations proudly present That Said With Michael Zeldin. That Said, is a weekly series that takes a comprehensive look at the ideas, events, and people who shape our world. Led by TV legal and political analyst Michael Zeldin, his candid conversations with bestselling authors, thought leaders, and opinion-makers explore their ideas to help move us forward as a community and as a country.

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Join Michael in his conversation with Professor author Derek Black about their new memoir, The Klansman’s Son, My Journey from White Nationalism to Antiracism which tells their journey from the heir apparent leader of the White Nationalist movement in the United States to one of the country’s leading antiracist spokespersons.Derek Black was raised to take over the white nationalist movement in the United States. Their father, Don Black, was a former Grand Wizard in the Ku Klux Klan and started Stormfront, the internet’s first white supremacist website on which Derek built the kids’ page. David Duke, was also their close family friend and mentor. Racist hatred, often wrapped up in language of respectability, was all Derek knew.In 2013, while studying medieval history at New College in Sarasota, FL Derek publicly renounced white nationalism and apologized for their actions and the suffering that they had caused. The majority of their family stopped speaking to them, and they disappeared into academia, convinced that they had done so much harm that there was no place for them in public life.But in 2016, as they watched the rise of Donald Trump, they immediately recognized what they were hearing—the spread and mainstreaming of the hate they had helped cultivate—and they knew that they couldn’t stay silent.Derek, who uses the pronouns “they and them”, is a doctoral student in history at the University of Chicago. Derek has been honored with the first Elie Wiesel Award given by the Wiesel family after the passing of the Nobel Peace Laureate in 2016. Derek also has received the Anti-Defamation League’s Humanitarian award.This is Derek’s first book. Derek Blackhttps://x.com/rderekblackThe Klansman’s Son: My Journey from White Nationalism to Antiracism: A Memoir<a href="https://www.abramsbooks.com/product/klansmans-son_9781419764783/" rel="nofollow">https://www.abramsbooks.com/product/klansmans-son_9781419764783/</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Professor author Derek Black about their new memoir, The Klansman’s Son, My Journey from White Nationalism to Antiracism which tells their journey from the heir apparent leader of the White Nationalist movement in the United States to one of the country’s leading antiracist spokespersons.

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A Conversation with Derek Black, author, The Klansman’s Son: My Journey from White Nationalism to Antiracism: A Memoir

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Join <a href="https://www.commpro.biz/that-said-with-michael-zeldin/" rel="nofollow">Michael</a> and former senior speechwriter for President Joe Biden as they discuss his fascinating new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Undelivered-Never-Heard-Speeches-Rewritten-History/dp/1250240700" rel="nofollow">Undelivered: The Never-heard Speeches That Would Have Rewritten History</a>. Undelivered presents some of the most notable, never delivered speeches from Richard Nixon’s refusal to resign to Hillary Clinton’s acceptance speech; from Dwight Eisenhower’s apology for the failure of the D-Day invasion to Japanese Emperor Hirohito’s apology for his role in World War II.Guest Jeff NussbaumJeff Nussbaum is an adjunct professor of Public Communication. Nussbaum is a partner in the speechwriting and strategy firm West Wing Writers. He has previously served as a speechwriter for Vice President Joe Biden, Vice President Al Gore, and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle. Most recently Nussbaum oversaw all speechwriting operations for the 2012 Democratic National Convention. In addition to his speechwriting experience, Jeff was the co-author and collaborator with James Carville on the 2003 bestseller, Had Enough? Jeff also collaborated with Senator Bob Graham on his book Intelligence Matters, which was published to critical acclaim in September 2004 and updated and re-released in 2008. As a co-founder of The Humor Cabinet, Nussbaum has also worked on humor speeches for dozens of elected officials and corporate executives and has served as a creative consultant for the Kennedy Center Mark Twain Prize for American Humor. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael and former senior speechwriter for President Joe Biden as they discuss his fascinating new book, Undelivered: The Never-heard Speeches That Would Have Rewritten History. Undelivered presents some of the most notable, never delivered speeches from Richard Nixon’s refusal to resign to Hillary Clinton’s acceptance speech; from Dwight Eisenhower’s apology for the failure of the D-Day invasion to Japanese Emperor Hirohito’s apology for his role in World War II.

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Revisiting a Conversation with Jeff Nussbaum, Author, ‘Undelivered: The Never-heard Speeches that would have Rewritten History’

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Join Michael in his conversation with Jim Sciutto about his new book, The Return of Great Powers, Russia, China, and The Next World War which details the realities of this new post–post–Cold War era, the threats posed by an increasingly aligned Russian and Chinese governments, and the flashpoint of a new, global nuclear arms race. It poses a question: As we consider uncertain, even terrifying, outcomes, will it be possible for the West and Russia and China to prevent a new World War?Jim Sciutto<a href="https://twitter.com/jimsciutto" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/jimsciutto</a>The Return of Great Powers: Russia, China, and The Next World War<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/80608/jim-sciutto/" rel="nofollow">https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/80608/jim-sciutto/</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

A  Conversation with Jim Sciutto, Author, 'The Return of Great Powers, Russia, China, and The Next World War'

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Join Michael in his conversation with Professor Jefferson Cowie about his Pulitzer Prize winning book Freedom’s Dominion, A Saga of White Resistance to Federal Power which traces this complex saga by focusing on a quintessentially American place: Barbour County, Alabama, the ancestral home of political firebrand George Wallace. In a land shaped by settler colonialism and chattel slavery, white people weaponized freedom to seize Native lands, champion secession, overthrow Reconstruction, question the New Deal, and fight against the civil rights movement. A riveting history of the long-running clash between white people and federal authority, this book radically shifts our understanding of what freedom means in America.  Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Professor Jefferson Cowie about his Pulitzer Prize winning book Freedom’s Dominion, A Saga of White Resistance to Federal Power which traces this complex saga by focusing on a quintessentially American place: Barbour County, Alabama, the ancestral home of political firebrand George Wallace. In a land shaped by settler colonialism and chattel slavery, white people weaponized freedom to seize Native lands, champion secession, overthrow Reconstruction, question the New Deal, and fight against the civil rights movement. A riveting history of the long-running clash between white people and federal authority, this book radically shifts our understanding of what freedom means in America.

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A Conversation with Jefferson Cowie, Author, Freedom’s Dominion: A Saga of White Resistance to Federal Power

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Join Michael in his conversation with Timothy Ryback about his new book Takeover: Hitler’s Final Rise to Power which chronicles Hitler’s rise to power in 1932 all within the democratic structures of Germany’s constitutional democracy.Tim has written on history and politics for more than three decades. He is the author of Hitler’s Private Library, a Washington Post Best Book of the Year, and The Last Survivor, a New York Times Notable Book. His work has appeared in The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic, and the Financial Times. He is co-founder and director of the Institute for Historical Justice and Reconciliation, in The Hague.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/stores/Timothy-W.-Ryback/author/B001H6ME9G?isDramIntegrated=true&ref=ap_rdr&shoppingPortalEnabled=true" rel="nofollow">Timothy Ryback</a>Takeover: Hitler’s Final Rise to Powerhttps://www.amazon.com/Takeover-Hitlers-Final-Rise-Power/dp/0593537424 Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

A Conversation with Timothy Ryback, Author, Takeover: Hitler’s Final Rise to Power

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Join Michael in his conversation with Jennet Conant about her new book Fierce Ambition, The Life and Legend of War Correspondent Maggie Higgins which tells the remarkable story of Maggie Higgens, the first Pulitzer Prize-winning war correspondent. Jennet started her career as a journalist at Newsweek covering business, technology, and cultural affairs. She later wrote for GQ, Esquire, Vanity Fair, and the New York Times before turning to writing non-fiction full-time. She has written seven books about World War II. An interesting footnote is that Jennet is the granddaughter of James Bryant Conant, one of the leaders of the Manhattan Project and President of Harvard University. Fierce Ambition: The Life and Legend of War Correspondent Maggie Higginshttps://www.amazon.com/Fierce-Ambition-Legend-Correspondent-Higgins/dp/0393882128https://jennetconant.com/ Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Jennet Conant about her new book Fierce Ambition, The Life and Legend of War Correspondent Maggie Higgins which tells the remarkable story of Maggie Higgens, the first Pulitzer Prize-winning war correspondent. 

Jennet started her career as a journalist at Newsweek covering business, technology, and cultural affairs. She later wrote for GQ, Esquire, Vanity Fair, and the New York Times before turning to writing non-fiction full-time. She has written seven books about World War II. An interesting footnote is that Jennet is the granddaughter of James Bryant Conant, one of the leaders of the Manhattan Project and President of Harvard University.

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A Conversation with Jennet Conant, Author, 'Fierce Ambition: The Life and Legend of War Correspondent Maggie Higgins'

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Join Michael in his conversation with Fareed Zakaria about his new book Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the Present which masterfully investigates the eras and movements that have shaped the modern world with a clear-eyed view of the lessons to be learned for our times. Fareed is the Peabody Award-winning host of Fareed Zakaria GPS on CNN. An Emmy award winner, Fareed was named a “Top 10 Global Thinker of the Last 10 Years” by Foreign Policy magazine in 2019, and Esquire called him “the most influential foreign policy adviser of his generation”. This is his fifth book. Fareed earned a bachelor’s degree from Yale University and a doctorate in political science from Harvard University.Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the Present By Fareed Zakaria<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Age-Revolutions-Progress-Backlash-Present/dp/0393239233" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Age-Revolutions-Progress-Backlash-Present/dp/0393239233</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

A Conversation with Fareed Zakaria, Author, 'Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the Present'

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Join Michael in his conversation with Saket Soni about his inspiring new book The Great Escape, A True Story of Forced Labor and Immigrant Dreams in America which tells the story of twenty-first century forced labor/human trafficking conspiracy in the Gulf Coast in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.Saket is a labor organizer and human rights strategist working at the intersection of racial justice, migrant rights, and climate change. He is the founder and director of Resilience Force, the voice of the rising workforce rebuilding America after climate disasters. He was a 2022-23 Aspen Institute Fellow and was named one of Fast Company’s Most Creative People in Business for 2022 The Great Escape by Saket Soni<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Great-Escape-Forced-Immigrant-America/dp/1643750089" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Great-Escape-Forced-Immigrant-America/dp/1643750089</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Saket Soni about his inspiring new book The Great Escape, A True Story of Forced Labor and Immigrant Dreams in America which tells the story of twenty-first century forced labor/human trafficking conspiracy in the Gulf Coast in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Saket is a labor organizer and human rights strategist working at the intersection of racial justice, migrant rights, and climate change. He is the founder and director of Resilience Force, the voice of the rising workforce rebuilding America after climate disasters. 

He was a 2022-23 Aspen Institute Fellow and was named one of Fast Company’s Most Creative People in Business for 2022

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A Conversation with Saket Soni, Author, ‘The Great Escape: A True Story of Forced Labor and Immigrant Dreams in America’

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Join Michael in his conversation with Rachel Slade about her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Making-America-Impossible-Manufacture-U-S/dp/0593316886/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5ZhSrKg-5q4xM03NqWSThn1-UG_M3Cxp_wmebV5K5D51YR8-oDlov3kCfg8fwOGDSi7P8iq7fWJmL1WgOM5c-Q.ikGqSTGtT7dVBhAK1NjUfgYFy6vmFmpMKBTS1JrbB8o&dib_tag=se&qid=1713447696&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Making it in America: The Almost Impossible Quest to Manufacture in the U.S.A. (and How It Got That Way) </a>which offers a compelling history of American textile manufacturing as told through the story of American Roots, a vibrant Maine company founded by Ben and Whitney Waxman, which sells truly 100% American-made apparel.  Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Rachel Slade about her new book 'Making it in America: The Almost Impossible Quest to Manufacture in the U.S.A. (and How It Got That Way)' which offers a compelling history of American textile manufacturing as told through the story of American Roots, a vibrant Maine company founded by Ben and Whitney Waxman, which sells truly 100% American-made apparel.

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A Conversation with Rachel Slade, Author, ' Making it in America, The Almost Impossible Quest to Manufacture in the U.S.A. (and How It Got That Way)'

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Join Michael in his conversation with Jeffrey Rosen about his compelling new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Happiness-Classical-Inspired-Founders/dp/1668002477" rel="nofollow">The Pursuit of Happiness: How Classical Writers on Virtue Inspired the Lives of the Founders and Defined America.</a> Jeffrey is the president and CEO of the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia which serves as the country’s leading platform for constitutional education and discussion. He hosts the podcast We the People, a weekly podcast of constitutional debate.  He is a professor of law at George Washington University Law School and a contributing editor at The Atlantic. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Jeffrey Rosen about his compelling new book, 'The Pursuit of Happiness: How Classical Writers on Virtue Inspired the Lives of the Founders and Defined America.'

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A Conversation with Jeffrey Rosen, Author, 'The Pursuit of Happiness: How Classical Writers on Virtue Inspired the Lives of the Founders and Defined America'

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Join Michael in his conversation with Martha McPhee about her compelling new memoir, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Audible-Omega-Farm-A-Memoir/dp/B0BY3Q2ZXC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2EFBD476URUDF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.PSVBZ3sF0NBKHEzCrRxpxo79MbmsdlzvYMpJce7qlON6tGbaBQa0nzZ4qC_9n1l0.BSD3gcBDsc6pNTf6vZEgXOEYtlLagWt43CRDfWwWaHA&dib_tag=se&keywords=omega+farm+a+memoir+by+martha+mcphee&qid=1711108410&s=books&sprefix=omega+farm%2Cstripbooks%2C95&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Omega Farm</a> which chronicles her return to her childhood home during the pandemic to care for her cognitively impaired mother and her homestead and the memories this journey reveals to her.Martha is the author of five novels. Her work has been honored with fellowships from the National Endowment of the Arts and The John Simon Guggenheim Memorial Foundation. In 2002, she was nominated for a National Book Award.  Her novels have been Best Books of The Year on The New York Times, Washington Post and Chicago Tribune lists. She is a tenured member of the English Department at Hofstra University where she teaches fiction. She lives in New York City with her children and husband, the poet and writer Mark Svenvold. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Martha McPhee about her compelling new memoir, 'Omega Farm' which chronicles her return to her childhood home during the pandemic to care for her cognitively impaired mother and her homestead and the memories this journey reveals to her.

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A Conversation with Martha McPhee, Author, 'Omega Farm'

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Join Michael in his conversation with Janet Wallach about her new book, Flirting with Danger: The Mysterious Life of Marguerite Harrison, Socialite Spy which chronicles the life of Marguerite Harrison, America’s first female spy. Janet Wallach has written extensively about notable women in history, from the U.S., Europe, and the Middle East. Her book, Desert Queen; The Extraordinary Life of Gertrude Bell (1996), has been translated into twelve languages and was a New York Times notable book of the year. As a contributor to The Washington Post Magazine, Smithsonian Magazine and other periodicals, Janet Wallach has written cover story profiles of Queen Noor of Jordan, First Lady of Egypt Jihan Sadat, and Iraqi Ambassador Nizar Hamdoon. Wallach has taught at Bradford College, Earlham College, St. Olaphs College and more. Janet Wallach is a founding director and president emeritus of Seeds of Peace, a non-profit educational and leadership training program. Seeds of Peace brings together outstanding teenagers from regions in conflict including Israelis and Arabs, Indians and Pakistanis, and Americans of diverse backgrounds. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Janet Wallach about her new book, 'Flirting with Danger: The Mysterious Life of Marguerite Harrison, Socialite Spy' which chronicles the life of Marguerite Harrison, America’s first female spy.

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A Conversation with Janet Wallach, Author, ‘Flirting with Danger: The Mysterious Life of Marguerite Harrison, Socialite Spy’

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Join Michael in his conversation with Katie Couric about her most interesting memoir, Going There, which chronicles her groundbreaking professional career while also intimately telling the story of her life beyond our TV screens.Katie is an award-winning journalist, a New York Times bestselling author, co-founder of her non-profit, Stand Up To Cancer and the co-founder of Katie Couric Media which produces documentaries, a digital video series, a podcast (Next Question with Katie Couric), and a daily Newsletter, Wake-Up Call.Katie’s awards include a duPont Columbia, a Peapody, two Eward R. Murrows, a Walter Chronkite, multiple Emmys, and the American Cancer Society Medal of Honor. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Katie Couric about her most interesting memoir, 'Going There', which chronicles her groundbreaking professional career while also intimately telling the story of her life beyond our TV screens.

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A Conversation with Katie Couric, Author, 'Going There'

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Join Michael in his conversation with Steven Ujifusa about his new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Last-Ships-Hamburg-Business-Rivalry/dp/0062971875" rel="nofollow">The Last Ships from Hamburg: Business, Rivalry, and The Race to Save Russia’s Jews on the Eve of World War I </a>which chronicles the efforts to save Russian Jews from Czarist Russian pogroms.Steven is a historian who chronicles the confluence of American business, social, and maritime history. He is the recipient of the Washington Irving Medal for Literary Excellence from the Saint Nicholas Society of the City of New York, a MacDowell artist residency, and the Athenaeum of Philadelphia&#39;s Literary Award for Non-Fiction. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Steven Ujifusa about his new book 'The Last Ships from Hamburg: Business, Rivalry, and The Race to Save Russia’s Jews on the Eve of World War I' which chronicles the efforts to save Russian Jews from Czarist Russian pogroms.

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A Conversation with Steven Ujifusa, Author, ‘The Last Ships from Hamburg: Business, Rivalry, and The Race to Save Russia’s Jews on the Eve of World War I’

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Join Michael in his conversation with Fergus Bordewich about his new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Klan-War-Ulysses-Battle-Reconstruction/dp/0593317815/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.f4v9-Z3uRMzZNk0QNR9dq0S3ofcwkcTZYnGezuvFqdE7T088SM77RWgfweipjZoSHFgIM9rHILxdIJAoKWsBHlg3ZWehBZh2dY91mgCN_e2xYANUuIhJAUX6OI6F9SeNYSpnvNvolvIiItv4I7GeaJVWWKQInhWiQG6AypsK_BDSWR4yb_cMO_X-vOcXSkK4EU5IXhYorB8bgMCPlKFeHWC6m8DQdNxHpc8dN5NwL9Q.YLKEXDMyP5eF7c68LdRaNkhiQUyMljTAPC7c3swOJbw&dib_tag=se&qid=1708634004&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Klan War: Ulysses S. Grant and the Battle to Save Reconstruction,</a> which tells the story how President Grant, his attorney general, Amos Akerman, and Major Lewis Merrill led the successful, multi-year assault on the Ku Klux Klan.Fergus is one of the leading independent historians writing on 18th and 19th America. He is the author of eight previous award-winning non-fiction books including The First Congress: How James Madison, George Washington and a Group of Extraordinary Men Invented the Government which won the D.B. Hardeman Prize in American History.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Klan-War-Ulysses-Battle-Reconstruction/dp/0593317815/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.f4v9-Z3uRMzZNk0QNR9dq0S3ofcwkcTZYnGezuvFqdE7T088SM77RWgfweipjZoSHFgIM9rHILxdIJAoKWsBHlg3ZWehBZh2dY91mgCN_e2xYANUuIhJAUX6OI6F9SeNYSpnvNvolvIiItv4I7GeaJVWWKQInhWiQG6AypsK_BDSWR4yb_cMO_X-vOcXSkK4EU5IXhYorB8bgMCPlKFeHWC6m8DQdNxHpc8dN5NwL9Q.YLKEXDMyP5eF7c68LdRaNkhiQUyMljTAPC7c3swOJbw&dib_tag=se&qid=1708634004&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Purchase Klan War here.</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Fergus Bordewich about his new book, Klan War: Ulysses S. Grant and the Battle to Save Reconstruction, which tells the story how President Grant, his attorney general, Amos Akerman, and Major Lewis Merrill led the successful, multi-year assault on the Ku Klux Klan.

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A Conversation with Fergus Bordewich, Author, 'Klan War: Ulysses S. Grant and the Battle to Save Reconstruction'

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Join Michael in his conversation with Dave Kindred as they discuss his new memoir <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Home-Team-Sportswriters-Redemptive-Small-Town/dp/1541702204/ref=sr_1_1?crid=18GWF6EY3FBT9&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KRuuX8h_s2ZKkxi2yr4Y639u6A5r5E_mwNRshg8Bl3CwpVwAcuBLwa4QAnvYFS7BaxekRv2nmUFaEJ2KXvOUNjXk75ql0sbWp2fW8tdJuS3UPmiP5wtH_PSbDEnHNXl5F4p9FPwBGMU1Bwu6qp7RNn1FxKm_FMYWz0nB_Kd7NlkNewu8Irt6drw7E500TrKgZOsRhZX8kCqv7iJTG0iCdUGaW4VsvqYfp9vAFNr2Fi8.VIIOhodFzXKdH-0J2lrX94Ftd7_T1xzo1mOZJu77-ok&dib_tag=se&keywords=dave+kindred+books&qid=1708085331&sprefix=%2Caps%2C113&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">My Home Team: A Sportswriter’s Life and the Redemptive Power of Small-Town Girls Basketbal</a>l which details the arc of his award-winning career from one of sports most storied writers to his return home to cover a local girl&#39;s high school basketball team.Dave has covered sports for numerous newspapers and periodicals over a fifty-year career. He is one of only two sports writers who have earned sports writing’s three highest honors: The Red Smith Award, The PEN America ESPN Lifetime Achievement Award, and the Dan Jenkins Medal for Excellence in Sports writing. He is a member of the National Sports Media Hall of Fame.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Home-Team-Sportswriters-Redemptive-Small-Town/dp/1541702204/ref=sr_1_1?crid=18GWF6EY3FBT9&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KRuuX8h_s2ZKkxi2yr4Y639u6A5r5E_mwNRshg8Bl3CwpVwAcuBLwa4QAnvYFS7BaxekRv2nmUFaEJ2KXvOUNjXk75ql0sbWp2fW8tdJuS3UPmiP5wtH_PSbDEnHNXl5F4p9FPwBGMU1Bwu6qp7RNn1FxKm_FMYWz0nB_Kd7NlkNewu8Irt6drw7E500TrKgZOsRhZX8kCqv7iJTG0iCdUGaW4VsvqYfp9vAFNr2Fi8.VIIOhodFzXKdH-0J2lrX94Ftd7_T1xzo1mOZJu77-ok&dib_tag=se&keywords=dave+kindred+books&qid=1708085331&sprefix=%2Caps%2C113&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Order your copy of Dave&#39;s book here.</a> Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Join Michael in his conversation with Dave Kindred as they discuss his new memoir 'My Home Team: A Sportswriter’s Life and the Redemptive Power of Small-Town Girls Basketball' which details the arc of his award-winning career from one of sports most storied writers to his return home to cover a local girl's high school basketball team.

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A Conversation with Dave Kindred, Author, 'My Home Team: A Sportswriter’s Life and the Redemptive Power of Small-Town Girls Basketball'

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Step into this insightful conversation between Michael Zeldin and Doug Melville on the latest episode of &#34;That Said.&#34; Together, they explore the narrative of Doug&#39;s new book, Invisible Generals: Rediscovering Family Legacy, and a Quest to Honor America’s First Black Generals. This remarkable true story unveils the pivotal roles played by Benjamin O. Davis, Sr., and Jr., America’s first Black generals, in integrating the military and fostering the iconic Tuskegee Airmen. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

Step into this insightful conversation between Michael Zeldin and Doug Melville on the latest episode of "That Said." Together, they explore the narrative of Doug's new book, Invisible Generals: Rediscovering Family Legacy, and a Quest to Honor America’s First Black Generals. This remarkable true story unveils the pivotal roles played by Benjamin O. Davis, Sr., and Jr., America’s first Black generals, in integrating the military and fostering the iconic Tuskegee Airmen.

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Doug Melville's Journey from 'Invisible Generals' to Leading DEI Initiatives

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Join Michael in his conversation with Professor Edward L. Ayers about his fascinating new book American Visions: The United States, 1800-1860 which explores the revealing history of this most formative period in US history when voices of dissent and innovation help create visions of America still resonant today.Professor Ayers is Tucker-Boatwright Professor of the Humanities at the University of Richmond, where he is President Emeritus. President Barack Obama awarded him the National Humanities Medal in 2013, hailing his &#34;commitment to making our history as widely available and accessible as possible.&#34;Professor Ayers has written prizewinning books on the history of the United States. They include In the Presence of Mine Enemies: Civil War in the Heart of America, winner of the Bancroft Prize and the Beveridge Prize; and The Promise of the New South: Life After Reconstruction, a finalist for the National Book Award and the Pulitzer Prize, and The Thin Light of Freedom: The Civil War and Emancipation in the Heart of America, winner of the Lincoln Prize and the Organization of American Historians’ prize for best book on the Civil War era. His most recent books are Southern Journey: The Migrations of the American South, 1790-2020 and American Visions: The United States, 1800-1860. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

A Conversation with Professor Ed Ayers, Author, ‘American Visions, The United States, 1800-1860’

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On today’s show, we will be speaking with Scott Eyman about his fascinating new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Charlie-Chaplin-Vs-America-Politics/dp/1797162357" rel="nofollow">Charlie Chaplin vs. America, When Art, Sex, and Politics Collided</a> which explores the life and times of the movie genius leading to his banishment from the United States in 1952. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

On today’s show, we will be speaking with Scott Eyman about his fascinating new book, Charlie Chaplin
vs. America, When Art, Sex, and Politics Collided which explores the life and times of the movie genius
leading to his banishment from the United States in 1952.

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A Conversation with Scott Eyman, Author, "Charlie Chaplin vs. America, When Art, Sex, and Politics Collided"

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On today’s show we will be speaking Dr. Sanjay Gupta about his book<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Keep-Sharp-Build-Better-Brain/dp/1501166735" rel="nofollow"> Keep Sharp:Build a Better Brain at any Age</a> which tackles the subject of brain health from the perspective of what we can do to build and maintain a better brain to prevent cognitive decline.Dr. Gupta is an Associate Professor of neurosurgery at Emery University School of Medicine, a member of the National Academy of Medicine, and CNN’s Emmy Award-winning chief medical correspondent.He is also the host of the podcast <a href="https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/chasing-life" rel="nofollow">Chasing Life</a>. This coming season he will discussing weight and health including an exploration of the new weight-loss drugs on the market. Advertising Inquiries: <a href='https://redcircle.com/brands'>https://redcircle.com/brands</a> Privacy & Opt-Out: <a href='https://redcircle.com/privacy'>https://redcircle.com/privacy</a>

On today’s show we will be speaking Dr. Sanjay Gupta about his book Keep Sharp:Build a Better Brain at any Age (https://www.amazon.com/Keep-Sharp-Build-Better-Brain/dp/1501166735) which tackles the subject of brain health from the perspective of what we can do to build and maintain a better brain to prevent cognitive decline.Dr. Gupta is an Associate Professor of neurosurgery at Emery University School of Medicine, a member of the National Academy of Medicine, and CNN’s Emmy Award-winning chief medical correspondent.He is also the host of the podcast Chasing Life (https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/chasing-life). This coming season he will discussing weight and health including an exploration of the new weight-loss drugs on the market.

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A Conversation with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Author, 'Keep Sharp: Build a Better Brain at any Age'

CommPRO and the Museum of Public Relations proudly presents That Said With Michael Zeldin. That Said, is a weekly series that will take a comprehensive look at the ideas, events, and people who shape our world. Led by TV legal and political analyst Michael Zeldin, his candid conversations with bestselling authors, thought leaders, and opinion-makers will explore their ideas to help move us forward as a community and as a country.