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Ep 10 : X-Men Universe | Movie 1

1h 42m | Apr 6, 2022

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Order to watch reference | https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/149551-x-men-best-movie-viewing-order-chronological-release

X-Men Film Wiki | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(film_series)

Just one source to Power Classification | https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Mutant_Power_Level_Classification

Main Source used for descriptions | https://www.gamesradar.com/x-men-mutant-classifications/

 

 

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[Owls]: Every time we touch.

[Joker]: But it's okay cause we got sound effects now.

[Owls]: No, we don't. Do we? Really?

[Rick Roll Music]

[Owls]: What? I can't hear. Whatever you're doing,

[Joker]: you'll just have to listen back to me.

[Owls]: You're going to Rick roll me.

[Joker laughing]

[Owls]: Never going to give you up. Never going to let you down. Never going to run around and desert you.

[Joker]: Holy crap. Today has been a day. Like a day day.

[Owls]: Trust me, I know. Yesterday was a day. And then today just continued being a day.

[Joker]: But I got a lot done, I mean a lot done.

[Owls]: How much?

[Joker]: So…

[Owls]: Did you put all this stuff together for the baby

[Joker]: Oh no, none of that.

[Owls]: The way that you just said none of that.

[Joker]: None of that.

[Owls]: It's just absolute disgust.

[Joker]: None of that. But I over prepared for this episode. I saw your notes. Wow.

[Introduction to Madhouse Podcast music]

[Joker]: So, for those of you watching us in Twitch, I have literally categorized every consideration of X Men movie there is. And yes, both Deadpool One and Two fall in line with that aspect.

[Owls]: That's included, say you go to Disney Plus, it's included in the Lineage or however you do it, it's included there.

[Joker]: So also, I have put it into categories, the best places to find every single movie in the X-Men Cinematic Universe. Disney Plus is the primary spot where you want to go for most of the X-Men movies that start out with X Men in the title.

[Owls]: And the quality is going to be best.

[Joker]: Yes. Outside of that, for Wolverine, HBO, and New Mutants, HBO Max.

[Owls]: Did you watch them?

[Joker]: I've watched the Wolverine originally. I haven't watched them all yet.

[Owls]: Okay.

[Joker]: But for both, Deadpool movies is primarily going to be on Hulu or Sling as far as subscription based. And then Logan is also on Hulu and Sling for the subscription side. And every single X-Men movie that we will talk about in this series is available on Amazon Prime for $4 a pop.

[Owls]: So, when you mean the subscription side, you mean the additional add on to your already monthly or yearly Hulu subscription. You mean like the add on like live TV or the extra stars or whatever?

[Joker]: What I'm saying is if you got a subscription to either Disney Plus, HBO Max, Hulu, Sling, you get to watch them for free. No extra charge.

[Owls]: See, I feel like one of those. I did not. I had to figure out a different way to watch. I'm trying to remember which one.

[Joker]: But according to everything I've looked at, Disney Plus, absolutely for sure. No questions asked. All the X-Men movies that are available, there are no additional charge. Period.

[Owls]: I just went through all of them.

[Joker]: And again, HBO Max, I've looked it up. The Wolverine, New Mutants are both there for no extra charge. I don't have Hulu anymore cause I just said fuck it and let it run out. Never had Sling either.

[Owls]: I use Hulu all the time.

[Joker]: Yeah, I don't use it anymore. If I need live updates to shit, I get on YouTube. YouTube got someone somewhere has got it showing if it's a live event.

[Owls]: Got you.

[Joker]: All right. But yeah. And then again, I did confirm on Amazon Prime, every single one of them is available for $4 a pop or 3.99 USD.

[Owls]: Yep. Amazon has everything. Pretty much. You can just always link Amazon. Amazon has it. Whatever it is, Amazon has it.

[Joker]: Yeah. So that's what I was. Oh, and also YouTube has almost all of them, except for Dark Phoenix and New Mutants are the only one that YouTube doesn't have. Google has every one of them. Apple TV has 90% of them. And if you happen to have a Vudu account,

[Owls]: Voodoo?

[Joker]: Vudu, V-u-D-u. That's also $3.99. So all the YouTube, Google, Apple TV and Vudu, Amazon are all going to be $3.99 for those.

[Owls]: Pretty much. If you have like two to three streaming services…

[Joker]: You should be able to find it.

[Owls]: You should be able to find most, if not all.

[Joker]: Yeah

[Owls]: Because they're on the pretty big ones. I don't think Netflix has any of them, to be honest, because I think probably got bought out, especially when Disney came out with their own streaming service.

[Joker]: Yeah

[Owls]: A lot of them lost all these contracts.

[Joker]: Yeah. But yeah. Anyway, also found some other things that will link later in the show notes for the podcast, will be a page that is the best order in which to watch, I. E. The chronological order and release order. Yes.

[Owls]: There's so many orders. I know with Star Wars, there's, of course, release versus chronological. But then also I think Kira once sent me gosh, what is it called? The Chopped, some sort of other. What is it? Machete order. That's what it's called.

[Joker]: But yeah. So, in the chat currently is going to be the link to the version I found as far as the article, for the chronological order, as far as date of the movie setting, not necessarily the multiverse or the time distorted versions…

[Owls]: Yeah

[Joker]: But we will be talking about chronological release. Excuse me, theatrical release. Not chronological

[Owls]: Perfect. That makes it easy for me.

[Joker]: At least for the first go around.

[Owls]: Yeah.

[Joker]: So, the theatrical order of release is X-Men, the original one, the first one that came out in 2000,

[Owls]: Just a straight up

[Joker]: The whole cinematic series is only 22 years old.

[Owls]: Only 22 years old. That's a big span of time.

[Joker]: Oh, absolutely it is. All right. And then it was X-Men United in 2003, and I actually found out some interesting information about that release gap. So X Men, The Last Stand in 2006, X-Men Origins, The Wolverine in 2009, X Men First Class in 2011, the standalone The Wolverine in 2013, Days of Future, Past in ‘14, Deadpool One in ‘16, shortly followed by Apocalypse in ‘16, Logan, another standalone Wolverine movie in 2017, Deadpool Two in ‘18, Dark Phoenix in ‘19, and New Mutants in 2020.

[Owls]: That one I didn't even know existed.

[Joker]: Neither did I until you said something. I mean, I knew it existed, but I thought it was a TV show or a TV series, not a movie.

[Owls]: Yeah. I think initially, like, maybe a year ago, I thought it was a TV show, but then I completely forgot about it. And then when I was going through the whole series, I was like, what is this? When I watched it, I was like, oh, interesting.

[Joker]: Yeah. So, you want to go ahead and do the intro and we'll get into these shenanigans. That is the original.

[Owls]: All right. Welcome to the Madhouse presents Group Therapy, where we talk about games, argue about our different viewpoints, dive into the strange or whatever we decide in the moment? I am Owls and this is Joker.

[Joker]: Hello.

[Owls]: And today we are talking about X Men.

[Joker]: Dun Dun duuun

[Sound effect]

[Owls]: and then [vocal sounds]

[Joker]: I mean, I hope you like that song, the intro, because you're the one that picked it.

[Owls]: You gave me, like, five choices. That was actually the first one I listened to, and I liked it the most. Immediately, I was like, I like this one. And then I kept listening. I was like, Nah, Nah, no.

[Joker]: Fair.

[Owls]: Who's the best one?

[Joker]: I have in my head when it comes to this particular movie? Because of course, I watched it today just to refresh my mind on the plot and storyline and everything that it came from.

[Owls]: Yep.

[Joker]: But also I found out some interesting information about this. How it came to be a live action rendition.

[Owls]: Oooh, do tell?

[Joker]: So, most people, minus Owls because she never watched them was…

[Owls]: What do you mean?

[Joker]: X Men got their popularity off of the animated series for millennials and younger generations from the X Men animated series. But of course, before that, it was based on comic books, which are there are hundreds of variations. I'm obviously exaggerating hundreds, but there are multiple variations of the X Men comics series, and they based the animated series off of one of the original styles with the green and yellow suits or like team suits, I guess you could say.

[Owls]: [Agreement sound]

[Joker]: But in that series of the animated series was a set of characters which included, of course, Professor Xavier, Cyclops, Jean Gray or Phoenix, Storm, Beast, Logan, or the Wolverine. And then, of course, the enemies, which were Mystique, Magneto, Sabretooth, Toad. And then, of course, later on in the animated series, you got Rogue, Gambit,

[Owls]: Speed Demon.

[Joker]: Yeah, he was the X men version of the flash.

[Owls]: I know who you're talking about. It's completely out of my mind.

[Joker]: I forgot his mutant name. His character name was

[Owls]: Quicksilver. Is that your demo?

[Joker]: Yes, it is. Quicksilver, Petro, Maximus or Maxima or whatever.

[Owls]: I looked up quick guy X Men. Yeah, that's the response I got.

[Joker]: By the way, that's the other connection to the actual Marvel universe is his character who is the brother to the Scarlet Witch.

[Owls]: Interesting.

[Joker]: There's the other part to that. So there's another connection to the Marvel universe. But anyway, so Quicksilver, let's see. Storm, Colossus. That was another enemy.

[Owls]: Are you talking about in the movie or just in general?

[Joker]: In general.

[Owls]: Okay.

[Joker]: But no, these are also characters in the different movies.

[Owls]: Yeah, in the movies. Okay. I thought we were being very specific to the first movie.

[Joker]: Not yet. We're leading up to it.

[Owls]: Oh, my goodness.

[Joker]: And then let's see. Sabretooth, Ice Man. Oh, Night Crawler. That was the other guy. Nightcrawler. All right.

[Owls]: That's Andrew's favorite.

[Joker]: Anyway, so leading up to prior to 2000, when they made the movie or released the movie, but making the movie, they found that the animated series, of course, was very popular with kids around their teens and even younger and adults who followed the comics prior to because the animated series stuck well with adults as well. That followed. So what they were like they were trying to say, you know what? Let's make a movie. Let's make an X Men movie because there was no real live action version of the X Men in TV series or a movie prior. So they're like, screw it, let's make one. And when they did, director Bryan Singer and the writer David Hayter, who were a part of the first set of the X Men movies, spoiler. They were like, you know what? What are we going to make this movie based around? Well, of course, in the animated series, Magneto and his band of goons are always out trying to destroy humanity. And the X Men with Professor X is trying to save it.

[Owls]: Yes.

[Joker]:  Well, they decided that they were going to base it on a few of the particular characters. Obviously, all the lead X Men minus they did not include Beast in the first movie

[Owls]: [Agreement sound] Until the second, right?

[Joker]: Correct, I believe, yes. But they were also doing the pre log to it to Wolverine or Logan joining the team because that was a big focus point in the animated series was him joining the team. Well, where they started out in the movie was based on, of course, the fight for mutant rights, which was in the halls of the Senate or Congress trying to fight for rights of mutants with Jean Grey and Professor X is in the crowd. And then we find out later that Magneto was in the crowd. So what they're doing is they're just kind of building up. But where they focus the plot was on one particular character that didn't last the entire series, funny enough, and was a very big hit in the animated series, which was Rogue.

[Owls]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Because she had a very specific set of powers that, sadly enough, was not displayed in the live action rendition of Rogue.

[Owls]: Yeah. They made her more of a sad character,

[Joker]: A passive character.

[Owls]: Yeah, passive and kind of on the sadder side. They really highlighted the bad part of her powers.

[Joker]: Yeah. Now for those that don't know, we're obviously going to kind of talk about the individual characters powers as well. But I want to kind of highlight her because she's the reason why they made the movie. The Rogue character was actually the whole purpose and supposed to be the star outside of, obviously, Patrick Stewart, who was already a well-known actor. Also, Ian McKellen, who played Magneto,

[Owls]: Hugh Jackman.

[Joker]: Hugh Jackman, he wasn't actually known at that time. He wasn't as well-known back in 2000.

[Owls]: Interesting.

[Joker]: But the major hitters, of course, outside of Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Hallie Berry. I can never say her name. Right. Famke Janssen.

[Owls]: The one I don't even know.

{Joker]: She's the one that played Jean Grey. She's actually a very well-known actress from the late nineties. So, prior to this, and then, of course, Rebecca Romijn Stamos, and then, of course, Anna Paquin, who played Rogue. She was a child in even younger child Star, who actually won an award for one of her previous gigs. But she later became the lead in a TV series that went ape-shit crazy over the

[Owls]: True Blood.

[Joker]: Yeah, True Blood, which was werewolves and vampire kick off before Twilight became a thing.

[Owls]: That was a good one.

[Joker]: But she played Rogue and the whole movie was based around Rogue. And people think, oh, no, she wasn't the star, actually. She was intended to be the star by the director. And the writer intentions

[Owls]: Obviously change based off of kind of.

[Joker]: And then when Hugh Jackman came around and of course, all the fandom built up around Wolverine…

[Owls]: [Agreement sounds]

[Joker]: He became the forefront of this franchise.

[Owls]: I wonder why?

[Joker]: Honestly, I don't know.

[Owls]: I don’t know. Not like he's good to look at or anything.

[Joker]: I know, right. But now, as far as the powers where I think Rogue lost, like as the coming movies happen, you can see through X-2, Last Stand, Last Stand and First Class, I think was the last one. No. Days of Future Past was the last one that Rogue was in. The Anna Paquin one Rogue. As you progress, you get fewer and fewer lines. But also, they don't highlight what they did in the comics nor the cartoon.

[Owls]: Isn't she younger than she is in the comics?

[Joker]: Yes, absolutely.

[Owls]: She's supposed to actually be the same age as everybody else,

[Joker]: Probably

[Owls]: But she's like a high school student in the movie versus being the right age.

[Joker]: Yeah. So in the animated series, she's still younger. She's one of the younger members of the X Men team, but she's not as young as she's depicted because they definitely threw off everything later on in the movies when they introduced Gambit, because if you follow the chronological order of everything, Gambit is probably 30 years her senior. But they were together in the animated series and the comic book. They were a power couple because Gambit was one of the only mutants that wasn't affected by her touch. So, in the cartoon and the animated series and the comic books, Rogue’s main power is the ability to draw the entity or the essence of anybody. Anything she touches with her flesh.

[Owls]: [Agreement sounds]

[Joker]: She draws in their life force. Well, when it comes to mutants, she absorbs their power. That's why they die as mutants versus humans. She just absorbs their life force…

[Owls]: Which still isn't good.

[Joker]: Well, no, still isn't good. But where that differs from this movie is that she doesn't absorb them forever. Where in the animated series and the comic books, she absorbed them forever because even in those two other realms when she was first introduced, she couldn't fly because in the cartoon later, when she became very popular, she could fly. She had blasting powers and everything else. Where that came from was Captain Marvel, because later on, Rogue is told by Captain Marvel to absorb her powers, effectively killing Captain Marvel. But that's where Rogue gets the ability to fly and go into outer space without protection because she has all of Captain Marvel's powers. But in the movie, it's a temporary absorption.

[Owls]: Yeah, very different thing.

[Joker]: Yeah. And that's I personally think, where the character in the movies kind of fell off.

[Owls]: Yeah. It wasn't a substantial power. It was more of a hindrance than anything.

[Joker]: Yeah, but yeah. So, we get met with the Rogue character within next act or scene of the movie where she's in the bedroom with her boyfriend, parents are downstairs, which is interesting, especially in the early 2000s, because that shit would have never happened.

[Owls]: No, not highly unlikely with the..

[Joker]: Especially with the door closed

[Owls]: Because the door closed.

[Joker]: We did have the door closed because the dad opened the door with her kind of behind it. But anyway, so she kisses the boyfriend or starts to lose his life force, goes into a coma, and then it cuts to her, I think, running away in the truck where she ends up in a town where she meets Logan for the first time. And this is our first scene with the Wolverine. Spoilers if you haven't actually listened or watched any part of X Men in this point in the timeline, Logan has no memory of his prior self except for his name.

[Owls]: Yeah. And that's because of his dog tag, right?

[Joker]: Yes. Well, in his real name, he knows he's the Wolverine because of the dog tag. But by this point, he's already either interacted with someone or I can't remember exactly how it happened, but he knows his actual name is Logan.

[Owls]: Does he know it before he fights Sabretooth?

[Joker]: For the first time? Yes, if I remember correctly. Now, another fun fact with Sabretooth, this was not actually their first fight, if we're going along with chronological order, but we'll get into that in a later movie. But it has to do with Logan losing his memory also, hence why there are multiple or two actors at play Sabretooth.

[Owls]: Yeah, that turns it off a little bit.

[Joker]: Yeah. But again, with another fun fact about the X Men movie and what I was mentioning earlier off the recording about the release gap of three years, because this came X Men One or say X-1, whatever you want to call it, came out in 2000. The next one, X-2, did not come out until 2003. And that was because they only planned on making one movie.

[Owls]: So, they had to get everybody back on board.

[Joker]: Get everybody back on board, figure out what the fuck they were going to do. I think that's one reason why X-2 kind of flopped initially.

[Owls]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Because it was fucking horrible. But yeah. So that was my three fun facts.

[Owls]: Fun facts.

[Joker]: The end of my notes as far as that. Now we can talk about shit regularly.

[Owls]: Talk about shit.

[Joker]: So where do you want to start? Because this is your topic that you originally just overtaking it right now.

[Owls]: No, it's fine. I was just going to kind of be involved in the conversation, whatever you take the conversation to. I'm here kind of just everything about it, what we liked about it, what we didn't like about it. I feel like it's a good thing you have more insight on the comic aspect of it, because I have almost zero clue what is in the comics versus movies as well as I haven't even seen the animated ones.

[Joker]: I might have to look for that one. All right, so the animated originally released on Fox, hence why the first few movies were a Fox release until it shifted. And of course, Marvel got bought out, hence why X Men moved production Studios and everything else but the different X Men in the original movie. So, we already said Rogue, Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto. But Cyclops, Jean Grey, or Phoenix is her mutant name. Storm? Yes.

[Owls]: Storm.

[Joker]: Toad, which is on the henchman side. Magneto side. Mystique or Raven. But I don’t think, there's only like a handful of times that the Raven name was used in this film. I think they stuck with Mystique for the majority of this one.

[Owls]: Yeah. I don't think they ever actually called her anything…

[Joker]: Other than Mystique.

[Owls]: Yeah, I don't think Raven was introduced until later.

[Joker]: Okay, let's see. Beast was not in this one. Bobby Storm or I think it was his last name, his character.

[Owls]: I think it's Bobby Storm.

[Joker]: Ice man. Ice man was in it. Fuck. What's the Flame dude's name?

[Owls]: Flame dude.

[Joker]: Yeah. In the X Men series, he's the Pyro. Thank you. Bobby Drake. Here we go. Bobby Drake and Pyro. Pyro was the kind of like the rivalry between Logan and Cyclops. That's Bobby Drake or Iceman and Pyro.

[Owls]: That kind of makes sense. Ice versus Fire.

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Owls]: Cyclops and Wolverine were a whole other level of arguments, I guess, because of their both interest in Jean Grey.

[Joker]: Yes. It introduced us to the Professor Xavier School for Gifted Children, or youngsters as it was displayed in the movie.

[Owls]: Was it youngsters?

[Joker]: Yeah, it was youngsters in the movie or the first movie, but it was supposed to be gifted children.

[Owls]: Do you know why they changed it?

[Joker]: No, no idea.

[Owls]: I wonder why. Why maybe not typing it's too loud. I just want to know. Children.

[Joker]: Oh, that's another thing that we need. So looking at Twitch chat, one of our lovely viewers reminded me about the different levels of powers that they categorized mutants in. And Omega is considered a power level or output of different mutants.

[Owls]: Omega?

[Joker]: Yes. So, I'll look that up real quick. So starting off, what did you like about the entire movie? I mean, we can either go through, like, I don't know.

[Owls]: I like the idea of them all having different powers. It wasn’t like, I guess eventually there was more of a front runner, but it was like a lot of different characters with different abilities was very interesting to me, at least for me, because I had no information before. It was extremely new to me, and I don't think there was anything like that at that time. Or it was just a big group of different mutants.

[Joker]: [Agreement sound]

[Owls]: It's similar to what I would say is like, My Hero Academia, which is an anime. So instead of mutant powers, they call them quirks.

[Joker]: Okay.

[Owls]: And they go to a school to become heroes. In this sense, I don't know if they don't necessarily go to school to become heroes. They just go to school to be with people like them and learn how to hone their powers and use them for good, I guess is really what it is. Kind of shaped the kids. I liked that concept, but it was just a bunch of different types of powers. It wasn't like one person had all the powers. It wasn't like one superhero saving the day. It was just this particular dilemma of the percentage of people having this power.

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Owls]: So, I like that. I like the different powers and different things.

[Joker]: Okay.

[Owls]: I liked Rogue a lot initially, but she kind of just again fell off because they didn't really portray her properly. She's much cooler from what I hear in the comics.

[Joker]: Oh, absolutely. She was actually one of where a lot of our generation got, I guess, affixiated on the cartoon or the animated style characters or depictions of, like, our heroes. And Rogue was one of them. Like, she was considered a sex symbol. And this, of course, one she's teenage years. So that kind of screwed up that.

[Owls]: Yeah.

[Joker]: And of course, all the different, like, dialing back her abilities, especially what gave her the potential of becoming who she was in the animated series and in the comic books. Like, our chat is restating with her taking the power from Captain Marvel, like I said earlier, which made her such an iconic X Men and a staple in the team, was not given to her because it was a temporary theft. Even if she killed the mutant, she only temporarily had their abilities. Not forever.

[Owls]: Yeah. Other than that, she was just kind of there. She just sucks life and powers out of people. There's nothing really that cool about her, unfortunately.

[Joker]: Yeah. And it did give a semi understanding of how she got the white streak in her hair, which is actually way more elaborate labyrinth than it actually happened in this one.

[Owls]: Elaborate.?

[Joker]: Elaborate. Yes, elaborate.

[Owls]: You were switching.

[Joker]: I know.

[Owls]: Combining elaborate and labyrinth.

[Joker]: I know. My brain is all over the place right now.

[Owls]: I got you. So in the comic books, how does she get that strip of white hair? Because in the movie, what happens is she's up in that Dome being the power is being sucked out of her or she's powering, something.

[Joker]: I know there's more or better explained in the comic books because there were four different ways. I remember one particular where she was not necessarily forced, but she ended up killing a lover. And that stress level on her is what did it. But there were so many other ways. Let's see if I can find it real quick.

[Owls]: Yeah. Because even within comic books, it's not like you have a book and it becomes a movie and there's like one version of the book and then one version of the movie. With comic books, they have so many different timelines, depictions, everything. So one character can have like 20 different backstories.

[Joker]: Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. Let's see. Let's go to the superhero height. That's all talking about. Bullshit movie. [Talking under his breath]

[Owls]: What are you looking at?

[Joker]: So, most of the top because, see, in the comic series, it's not actually a streak. It's like her entire bangs are white and she's got red.

[Owls]: Yeah, I saw that. I was looking at the picture because you were telling me about Gambit and her. And I was like, I want to see what that looks like. And she definitely like it's like the front. The whole front.

[Joker]: Oh, okay. So, a lot of the lore I'm looking at is when she was fighting Captain Marvel versus Captain Marvel, willingly giving up her powers, and that's where she got the ability to fly from, which was that's synonymous throughout all the different lore that talk about her getting powers from Captain Marvel. But it was saying that fight is what gave her the fight with Carol Danvers or Miss Marvel. Captain Marvel is where she ended up getting that stress level from absorbing all that power from her, that she got the white stripe or the white section of her hair.

[Owls]: And it looks like in each one of them, it's like a different level of white. There's some that are like a little bit in the front. There's some huge chunks on the side, some that are bangs. Some of that almost look like Bride of Frankenstein.

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Owls]: Like all sorts of different some are Brown, some are redheads.

[Joker]: Yeah. But that is Rogue's key feature outside of her body.

[Owls]: Yeah, standard is some sort of white part of her hair within the regular hair.

[Joker]: Oh so, back to the different power levels, real quick to kind of help you understand or to let anybody really understand how strong a mutant in this universe is. So, you have four classifications of mutant powers.

[Owls]: Okay.

[Joker]: And from lowest to highest, or simple tricksters or small, I guess individual quarks to doomsday level events. If a mutant were to lose control kind of thing, like killing hundreds versus destroying entire universes kind of thing.

[Owls]: Got you.

[Joker]: All right, so you have Epsilon, which is the lowest classification where. Yeah, they can kill people if they lose control, but they're not going to destroy the entire universe kind of thing.

[Owls]: [Agreement sounds]

[Joker]: Right. Then you have Beta level, which could probably change the way the ground and surroundings look. Like they could destroy buildings.

[Owls]: There could be some structural damage.

[Joker]: There could be like, manipulation of the entire, like a nuclear bomb.

[Owls]: Like a nuke.

[Joker]: Yeah, like a nuclear bomb going off. All right, then you've got Alpha level, which could probably change how a whole continent looks if they really got out of control. All right. And then you have the Omega level, which is the warping space time, and the entire universe, if they lost control of their powers.

[Owls]: So, like, Phoenix level?

[Joker]: Surprisingly enough, there's a lot more in, like, Rogue level if after she absorbed Captain Marvel, Cyclops falls into that. Of course, Doomsday…

[Owls]: Doomsday falls into what?

[Joker]: The Omega level…

[Owls]: Which is the top.

[Joker]: The top.

[Owls]: Like, destroy all the things…

[Joker]: Destroy everything in existence.

[Owls]: Got you. So, Cyclops is in there.

[Joker]: Cyclops a version of him. Yes.

[Owls]: So, based on probably comic version versus…

[Joker]: Primarily, yes.

[Owls]: This one, he's more landscape. Like let’s not have….

[Joker]: Correct.

[Owls]: Let's not have a mountain when he's upset.

[Joker]: Yeah. So obviously, you see it in the first movie where he's obviously got a version of some type of laser beam that shoots out of his eyes, and it's very destructive. As you look through other movies, his power is quite easily one of the strongest forces that exits a mutant body that is very destructive. If he can't control it.

[Owls]: We can't control it in the movie.

[Joker]: Correct. He actually can't control it. The only way he's able to is a special visor that was made and then, of course, special glasses to kind of help him blend in a little bit.

[Owls]: Or closing his eyes.

[Joker]: Or closing his eyes. Yes, correct.

[Owls]: Which, in theory, if you think about it, if they're that strong of lasers, are your eyelids really going to contain them?

[Joker]: If I remember correctly, from one of the explanations of what that energy is, is just that it's energy or his ability to bend light.

[Owls]: [Agreement sounds] Okay.

[Joker]: It's a controlled force of bending the light that his eyeballs reflect back out.

[Owls]: Okay. So it's not necessarily that he himself has lasers coming out of his eyes. It's that his eyes have the ability to manipulate the light that is.

[Joker]: The energy.

[Owls]: The energy coming at him.

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Owls]: Light and energy that's coming at him.

[Joker]: Correct. So, it's like a solar flare, but controlled out of his eyeballs.

[Owls]: He's kind of like a mirror in a sense or like a magnifying glass.

[Joker]: Yes.

[Owls]: Catching the light.

[Joker]: Yes. His eyeballs, his retinas turn into virtually a mirror and a magnifying glass.

[Owls]: Got it. Okay.

[Joker]: That is one of the primary lures to what that red beam is. So, it's basically a solar flare coming out of his eyeballs.

[Owls]: Okay.

[Joker]: So, it has that much destructive power, hence why things melt and just explode, rock and stuff.

[Owls]: He's got a good power. I just feel like it's cool, but it's not like, oh, that's the power I would want.

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Owls]: Yeah, it's destructive. It's useful when you need it. But other than that, it's like.

[Joker]: Yeah. And the Jean Grey or the Phoenix that we see in X-1, of course, isn't considered an Omega level mutant classification because she doesn't even have, like, Phoenix hasn't come out of her yet.

[Owls]: She doesn't have access at that point.

[Joker]: Yes. I think as we move through the movies and get more towards Days of Future, Past and First Class, I think it was

[Owls]: Even X-3, The Last Stand, or what is it called?

[Joker]: Oh, yeah, The Last Stand, where it actually shows the Dark Phoenix for the first time. But I'm saying as far as because obviously with Origins and First Class is where the timeline shifts.

[Owls]: Yeah. That throws me off every time.

[Joker]: But I think they kind of explained why she's so drum and mundane in those later movies. And it kind of falls in line with the comic book and some flashbacks in the animated series where Professor X, who is, again, an Omega level classification because of his mind-altering abilities. Not only does he have telekinesis, he also has mind control and some other fun things that he can do with his brain that actually have not been…

[Owls]: Highlighted.

[Joker]: Highlighted in most of the movies.

[Owls]: That's what it feels like with the movies. Like, the more I learn about the characters themselves or the mutants and the comic versions of them is that this is an extremely watered-down version of who they are in the comics and who they were originally intended to be.

[Joker]: Correct. But Magneto same thing. Omega level character and Wolverine actually is as well in some aspects, especially if he were to if they were to have followed, like some of the comic book lore. Even Weapon X himself is an Omega level, but…

[Owls]: In the comic books. We're talking comic books, not necessarily…

[Joker]: Where they dumbed him down,

[Owls]: Because in the movies, none of them are near, probably their potential in the comic books.

[Joker]: The closest ones are Magneto. Jean Grey and Professor X are really the only three that show that level of power.

[Owls]: Oh, yeah, definitely. Those three shows extreme power.

[Joker]: All right, let's see. So Cyclops, we talked about him, Professor X, of course, telekinesis, mind bending and whatnot. And when we first meet him for the first time, he's in a wheelchair. That surprisingly enough, what threw me off, especially looking back, watching it again, today was he was using a hand control for the wheelchair?

[Owls]: Yes.

[Joker]: Which he never did in any of the other versions.

[Owls]: Are you talking about like the little joystick type thing?

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Owls]: Did he…?

[Joker]: In the comics, in the animated series, he never used a joystick. He always used his mind to control it.

[Owls]: Interesting. Well, in the movies he has the power to enter people's minds and that kind of thing doesn't necessarily have the ability to alter any sort of like objects.

[Joker]: So. Alright, yes. The telecoms…

[Owls]: is that correct? Am I portraying?

[Joker]: They have in this first movie and the one that we're highlighting tonight is correct. He did not show that ability as far as actual telekinesis or moving objects with his mind. He did not display that. It's more of mind altering, controlling people through their mind, and locating people from their thoughts and mind

[Owls]: Reliant on another living object of some sort?

[Joker]: Correct. Yeah. Some kind of organic object is where his power of telekinesis and everything is limited. He manipulates Sabretooth and Toad when they captured Jean Grey in the train station to talk through them too. And of course, obviously projecting his voice into Logan's head early on when and they first arrive at the Academy.

[Owls]: Yes.

[Joker]: Of course, Magneto is telekinetic as well, but it's not displayed here. His limitation is more towards just manipulating metals because he creates a what's it called magnetic field around and…

[Owls]: Manipulates...

[Joker]: manipulates he metal parts of things around him.

[Owls]: He uses it like magnetic energy, which is how he can float.

[Joker]: Correct. He uses the Earth's natural magnetic field to be able to float and or fly. But he does not do that from what I remember in this movie…

[Owls]: …doesn't?

[Joker]: …unless it was right there at the end. I don't remember him doing that during the first movie because he walked just about everywhere.

[Owls]: They're all kind of jumbled because I watch them pretty…

[Joker]: Oh yeah.

[Owls]: …pretty quickly.

[Joker]: But of course, like you're saying though, in later movies is where he or prequel movies is where he does use that ability quite often.

[Owls]: Yeah. I mean, I would.

[Joker]: Storm. Storm is another great character, not very high on the classification list because it's simple weather patterns. She can't necessarily control the weather that she creates, but she can create it.

[Owls]: That doesn't make any sense. What?

[Joker]: All right, so for instance, in the first movie when they're in the final scene of the movie, they were trying to get her to create a cyclone to lift Logan up so he could reach to the Lantern or the Torch of the Statue of Liberty and she's like, I can't control him. He'll just go flying off, I.E. She can create it and kind of do small movements to it. But as far as controlling someone within that storm set, she can't do that. She can't completely

[Owls]: She can’t completely fine tune it. She can't be like, all right, this tornado is going to go right here. She can basically say there's going to be a tornado. That's it. I kind of want it over there.

[Joker]: Yeah. So she couldn't sit there and move left, move right, move up, move down. That's not how it works for her in this. Now, the most control I think it's shown in this first movie is when she creates the lightning storm, and the lightning Bolt comes down and then goes through her and hits Sabretooth.

[Owls]: Yeah, I think I remember that. That's the one I remember for sure.

[Joker]: But as far as classification levels, she's kind of lower on the totem pole between Beta and Epsilon. So the two lower factions of that, though. Of course,

[Owls]: Epsilon is like a low, low one though, right?

[Joker]: It's like trickster level. Kind of like Gambit. Gambit would be with just manipulation of cards, small objects, stuff like that. Trickster level stuff.

[Owls]: And by trickster you mean from like dead by Daylight for anybody? That's not. Is that what you mean?

[Joker]: Yes. Kind of like if you're giving cult references or modern references. Yeah, kind of like the Trickster where he manipulates objects.

[Owls]: I thought that's what you meant. Do you mean a different trickster?

[Joker]: No, I mean that works. Actually, that wasn't what I intended, but yeah, that definitely works.

[Owls]: Okay, I don't know what other tricks you're talking about, so I got kind of confused.

[Joker]: Yeah, no, that's fine. Let's see who else. I'm trying to think of all the X Men now that were in this first one. Let me look.

[Owls]: Sabretooth. They don't really do mystique.

[Joker]: Okay. Yeah. So, Sabretooth is easy. Sabretooth is just similar to Logan or Wolverine because spoiler, you'll find out when we hit the Origin story. They're brothers.

[Owls]: Yes.

[Joker]: and extra bone density, bone strength, bone manipulation to grow claws, which Sabretooth claws aren't supposed to actually be bone because nails are actually a cartilage versus a bone. But the concept of it is the same where Wolverine has three bones that come out from his hand. So, their addition to his own skeletal structure.

[Owls]: And they both from his knuckles, right?

[Joker]: Well, between, yes.

[Owls]: Between the knuckles and Saber tooth is more

[Joker]: His fingernails.

[Owls]: fingernails.

[Joker]: But similar healing abilities, similar age. Both born in the 19, 18-19 hundreds, early 1800’s. As far as current main casts of characters, they are the two older oldest outside of the obvious mutants like Apocalypse and Doomsday, stuff like that. But they are the two of the oldest mutants in the franchise. But again, they're very similar to each other. As far as the TV renditions, let’s see, Shapeshifter, that is Epsilon level trickster style. Where anybody some lore says she has to make physical contact with the individual before she can shift into their essence or presence or whatever. But everything changes about her. Like it's at the molecular level. Voice box…

[Owls]: completely changes her.

[Joker]: Yeah, DNA shifts. So, like, if they were to do a blood draw, whoever she looks like, she could shift all of it.

[Owls]: She literally clones them.

[Joker]: Yes, she turns into a clone, basically. And they do not have to be dead. But in some of the lore, they are dead. She has to kill them to change into them. But the majority of the lore is just she has to touch them to be able to change into them.

[Owls]: And in the movie, that is not the case, from what I can tell. I mean, they didn't really touch on that aspect of it.

[Joker]: Correct.

[Owls]: But from what I can tell, it didn't appear that she had to have contact with them.

[Joker]: They never actually mentioned it in this one. But if you look at the kind of finer details, the first one I think she changes into was the assistant to the Senator. And then when the Senator asks where is he? Oh, he's been dead for days. She doesn't turn into the Senator until after she made contact with him on the plane or on the helicopter. And that's really the only two people I think she shifts into in this movie was those two people Senator, which was at the end of the movie, and then the assistant to the Senator.

[Owls]: I'm trying to think. I guess that'd be hard to really portray without having a conversation about it. But you don't really want to do that with every single character that's introduced. You don't want to be like, hey, let's do a quick pause. What are your powers?

[Joker]: If we did that, like analyzing each and every single one in depth, we would have to do an episode every day for a year.

[Owls]: Yeah, easily.

[Joker]: All right, so Mystique, Magneto, Toad is just Toad. Literally a long tongue, can leap quite high in comparison to what humans do. But that's really about it. That's his only real power is that his tongue is very elastic, kind of like Stretch Armstrong and can go great distances.

[Owls]: Yeah. Doesn't at one point in the movie, one of the other characters, like grasp his tongue.

[Joker]: I think so.

[Owls]: I'm trying to remember who, was it Magneto? Was it mystique?

[Joker]: Yeah, I think cause he was trying to do something and maybe they were getting annoyed at him.

[Owls]: That would be pretty annoying. It reminds me of in Star Wars with a Jar Jar Binks.

[Joker]: Oh, absolutely.

[Owls]: Same kind of tongue catching thing. Like, stop, it was wrong with you.

[Joker]: Let's see. Trying to look through.

[Owls]: I'm trying to remember the premise of the movie. Like who was involved? And at what point? Let me see something. I probably should have re-watched this again.

[Joker]: Well, I mean, I've got the Wiki that talks about it. So actually, the movie actually started out in 1944 talking about Eric, who is Magneto, his parents being entranced into Auschwitz, which is the concentration camp Polish occupation of the Nazi party. And so we know that Magneto is originally Polish from the 1940s. And after his parents are separated from him in this version, not killed, but just separated from him, and they are pushed into the camp. And Magneto or Eric is held back by Nazi guards in the camp is when he gets control or starts outraging for his parents, reaches out, and then the entrance gate is crumpled by his power. So that was the entrance to the movie. Then it moves to the Congress floor, where Jean Grey is talking to the Senate

[Owls]: Registration Newton Registration Act or something.

[Joker]: And then from there,

[Owls]: It looks like Storm does the lightning to Toad, not Sabretooth.

[Joker]: No, she did two different times. Because the one where she did it to Sabretooth was when he grabbed her by the throat on the floor of the train station. And I want to hear you scream or you owe me a scream or something like that. Oh, no, I want to hear you scream. When she; Toad took off Cyclops visor and he was looking up and blew open the Dome. And that's when she calls down the storm.

[Owls]: Okay, there you go. I'm just going to remember all the things. Let's see, we're introduced to Cerebro, which is the Chamber in which Professor X uses to locate or see where all the mutants are in the world. Rogue and Bobby Drake or Ice Man fall in love or crush on each other. And then the plot was Senator Kelly, I think his name was. Senator Kelly was invoking a thing with all the world leaders to come to Ellis Island, which is the island of the Statue of Liberty for an anti-mutant rally kind of thing, where they're basically talking about. Not invoke or. Excuse me. They're talking about invoking the Registration Act of all mutants and criminalizing having powers, basically.

[Owls]: Yes.

[Joker]: So, Magneto sees that and it's like, oh, I can have all the world leaders in one spot. So that's why he went to the Statue of Liberty, put his little mutant changing device up and tried to change all the world leaders into mutants via radiation.

[Owls]: Which is why Rogue was involved.

[Joker]: Correct. To suck up Magneto's powers to operate it. And with his powers temporarily to operate it, she could then activate it, turning on radiation that would in his mind.

[Owls]: Was going to kill her.

[Joker]: Well, yeah, it was going to kill her, but he wouldn't have lost his life, but he would have also, in his mind, changed all these mutant haters into mutants themselves, not knowing that the levels of radiation would. Yes. Invoke the mutant gene to activate but would not be in a natural form. So therefore they would die.

[Owls]: That's a lot.

[Joker]: Yes, it is.

[Owls]: And this is the first time they introduced Cerebro as well on this one.

[Joker]: Yes. Cerebro is the Chamber. You also find out how they figure out to capture and hold Magneto was obviously anything metal has to not be available.

[Owls]: It can't be around.

[Joker]: Yeah. So the first prison that they show is a glass prison that's suspended by some. I'm sorry, not glass. Plastic. Plastic prison that is surrounding him and plastic floors, plastic everything.

[Owls]: Plastic guns with the security guards.

[Joker]: Yes.

[Owls]: All of it.

[Joker]: But that's actually not highlighted until later.

[Owls]: No.

[Joker]: No, the gun side of it is not necessarily highlighted. I think there's the one scene where the guard comes in to collect Xavier and wheel him out that you see

[Owls]: It's very minimal at the very end of the movie where they show that.

[Joker]: Yeah. It's at the very end, the very last scene where they're playing chess, where Xavier visited Eric or Cerebral Magneto in prison in this plastic cell, basically.

[Owls]: In theory, though, just like a side note, I know he didn't do it in probably the first movie, but where he uses the magnetic force of Earth to gravitate. In theory. Couldn't he do something like that to get out of there?

[Joker]: Oh, absolutely. I mean, again…

[Owls]: So, the idea that he isn't able to do that is just, again, a watered-down version of his powers.

[Joker]: Yeah. They definitely water down everybody's powers in this movie. Half of what most of them could do isn't even talked about, let alone displayed. For instance, Wolverine. He's lost arms before. And like it shows in the Deadpool movies, where Deadpool loses his arms, he regenerates it.

[Owls]: Yes.

[Joker]: But the thing is, post insertion of the metal onto a skeletal system, which is virtually indestructible. He would lose

[Owls]: Adamantium.

[Joker]: Yeah. Adamantium. Thank you. Logan would lose all the meat and muscle structure on his skeletal system would basically be a Terminator, but the skin would regenerate, the muscles, blood, everything. He continuously regenerates.

[Owls]: That makes sense.

[Joker]: There is literally only one person in the entire X Men universe that can officially kill Logan at this stage of life. And they never meet.

[Owls]: Who?

[Joker]: Deadpool.

[Owls]: Oh, yeah. Makes sense.

[Joker]: Now, granted, Magneto could actually rip him apart if he wanted.

[Owls]: He really wanted to. Yeah, because he's made a metal, Magneto controls metal…

[Joker]: but again, it wouldn't necessarily kill him.

[Owls]: It would just suck for a very long time.

[Joker]: Yup. Let's see. Got that. Scott Summers, that's Cyclops name. There we go. And according to the Wiki, I think at this point in the timeline, they are engaged. But in the movie, he actually says girlfriend, not fiancée or no, he says my girl. He doesn't even say girlfriend or fiancée. And neither does Jean Grey. That I remember.

[Owls]: I don't remember. I don't remember them saying it like that.

[Joker]: So in the scene where Jean Grey brings him to his room for the first time and he asked her, what can you control? Or she tells him her powers and he's like, well, what can you control? Can you read my mind? And she closes the closet door, and she actually starts to read his mind going back to when he became Weapon X. So, when he had the word the metal injected.

[Owls]: Adamantium.

[Joker]: Yeah, that stuff when he had the shit injected onto his skeletal system. But she's pulling those memories and then of course, he has night tears after that

[Owls]: As a result.

[Joker]: And he wakes up with his claws inside Rogue's shoulder or through her.

[Owls]: No, it was in her stomach.

[Joker]: No, it was in her shoulder.

[Owls]: Was it?

[Joker]: Yeah, it was through her shoulder. Through a lung, basically. And she reaches up, grabs him, and regenerates and puts him out for a few hours would look like. Oh, that's right. Okay, so the cameos of different mutants that showed up were Kitty Pryde, who walks through walls.

[Owls]: Yeah.

[Joker]: That was in the scene where Logan goes into the class with Professor X teaching some of the kids. Jubilee is the little like she can do spark stuff, like manipulate matter and kind of create, like, bring molecules together to create sparks and explosions and stuff.

[Owls]: I don't remember that

[Joker]: She was in there. I think she was one of the ones in the class. A young Colossus apparently was in there as well. I don't remember where he was. Oh, he was the one when they were showing, when they were talking about the difference, when he did the monologue, and it was going through the different scenes up around the campus. Apparently, Colossus or the young Colossus was the one drawing picture. All right. And then, of course, Pyro…

[Owls]: Trying to figure out. Okay, so Kitty Pride was done by Eleanor, Elliot Page.

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Owls]: Got you. Okay.

[Joker]: Originally.

[Owls]: Yeah, I was trying to figure out.

[Joker]: Yeah. But in the first movie, it was Sumela Kay. Yes.

[Owls]: What?

[Joker]: In the first movie, it was Sumela Kay. It wasn't Elliott Page or Ellen.

[Owls]: Ellen.

[Joker]: Yeah. She was the one that did in the later movies.

[Owls]: I guess because it didn't really show. I think it was in the second movie.

[Joker]: No, Elliot Page did not show up until first class whenever they went back in time and did all the younger versions of the characters.

[Owls]: No. Third one, Last Stand.

[Joker]: really thought it was first class. My bad. Okay. I was wrong.

[Owls]: There's a part of the plot that's important.

[Joker]: Yes. Okay. Now I remember. Yes, you are correct. I failed at that one.

[Owls]: Failure.

[Joker]: I know. Apparently, other cameos, fun fact for anybody who watches the animated series. George Buza, who was the voice in the animated series for Beast, made an appearance as the truck driver who dropped off Rogue at the bar.

[Owls]: Truck driver?

[Joker]: Yeah. So, when the scene where she was, like waking up from a commercial truck and dude opens the door and says, “we are here” the voice actor of the Beast in the animated series.

[Owls]: Yup, I see it. There it is. Interesting. I would have never known that.

[Joker]: I didn't either until just now. I was like, just now.

[Owls]: You figured it out.

[Joker]: Yeah. Reading the Wiki.

[Owls]: There's more fun facts. Let me pull up the fun facts I found.

[Joker]: Yes, please.

[Owls]: We're doing that. This is just on the IMDb page. Fun facts. If it'll let me get to that point. So just a goof it says in early scenes, the filmmakers went to some effort to make side clubs appear taller than Wolverine. But about halfway through the film they just stopped and suddenly Wolverine appears considerably taller than Cyclops.

[Joker]: Yes. I thought that was hilarious when I first noticed that way back when. Because in the series, the animated series, and all of the comic books, Cyclops is actually taller than Wolverine because Wolverine is only supposed to be like 5’8”, 5’9” and Cyclops is supposed to be like 6’2”.

[Owls]: I'm going to have to watch it again just for that right there.

[Joker]: Yeah, that was hilarious. What other fun facts do they have on that?

[Owls]: Trivia. Hugh Jackman took ice cold showers every morning of filming in order to help get into character. This tradition started when jumping into the shower at 05:00 A.m. Before realizing there was no hot water. Shocked awake but not wanting to wake his sleeping wife. He gritted his teeth and bore it before realizing that this mindset wanting to scream and lash out at something but having to hold it in was the mentality that Wolverine is in constantly. He then made cold showers his Wolverine preparation.

[Joker]: Yeah, I think there was one interview that he did that Hugh Jackman did. That's where he was talking about that's where he got that grunt from. Was like wanting to just like, fuck and just like [vocal noises]

[Owls]: Can you imagine? Oh, my gosh. Getting into a cold shower and you're just like, I can't like wake anybody else for hours.

[Joker]: Yeah. So I think that's where that came. I think it was right after Last Stand that he was talking because they asked him about that grunt that he always does. And another fun fact, the hey, bub. That is something he was doing when he was looking because he's Australian. I believe

[Owls]: Hugh Jackson.

[Joker]: Yeah. And he was trying to get into the Canadian mindset and the bub came from him. Like listening to Canadians talk and fuck around. It's like bub. That's where that came from. Yeah,

[Owls]: Bub? That's funny. Let me see what else. For Mystique. It looks like to keep her look secret, she had to sit in an isolated windowless room when not required for shooting. So, she basically said that she was in a different movie than everybody else, so nobody knew what she looked like.

[Joker]: Interesting.

[Owls]: That's got to be awful to be in a movie with a bunch of different people but not able to really interact with anybody.

[Joker]: Oh, another fun fact about Mystique. Her costume covers less than 10% of her body. And originally Jennifer Lawrence, who later played Mystique for the remainder of the movies, started out with a full bodysuit and there were very few scenes that she only did the pasties over her nipples versus like, the lower half was almost just like a skintight panty piece, whereas Stamos, she only had like a strip across her lips.

[Owls] See, I'm finding on the IMDb that her makeup consisted of 110 custom design prosthesis which covered 60% of her body and took 9 hours to apply.

[Joker]: But they were individual pieces with paint around them.

[Owls]: She could not drink wine, use skin creams, nor fly the day before filming because it could have caused her body chemistry to change slightly, causing the prosthetics to fall off. So she was isolated from everybody as well as she could not drink or do anything fun.

[Joker]: [Agreement sound]

[Owls]: I don't want to sign up for that. She's actually just like a side note, she hosted where she was the host for a show called Skin Wars that is about makeup artists. Like body painting makeup artists. It is an amazing show.

[Joker]: Oh, here's another fun fact for you. And hence why it was a mistake that Wolverine became the main character of the series because Hugh Jackman was a last-minute change. The original actor that was cast as Wolverine was Dougray Scott.

[Owls]: Dougray Scott? Who is that? How's that spelled?

[Joker]: Doug Ray. But one word. Scott.

[Owls]: Oh, what is he in that I know?

[Joker]: Mission Impossible 2 ran over. So what it says is actor Douglas Scott was cast as Wolverine but had to step down after another movie he was making. Mission Impossible 2 ran over schedule for a time, it looked like things could still be arranged to get Scott on the X-Men set, but then he hurt his shoulders, slowing production even more. The replacement actor was required with Jackman hired last minute. So, it was a mistake that Jackman was cast as Wolverine.

[Owls]: On the flip side of that Magneto was offered the Gandalf role in Lord of the Rings that he had to say no to, but he really wanted to do it. So, they rearranged his filming so that he could be a part of

[Joker]: Both films.

[Owls]: Both films. So same thing. Like, what if he was not Gandalf?

[Joker]: Yeah. And that's another reason why they went to the First Class movie after Last Stand instead of going straight to Days of Future Past

[Owls]: Because of how big Lord of the Rings got.

[Joker]: Yes.

[Owls]: That makes sense.

[Joker]: Plus, Lord of the Rings trilogy was all filmed intermingling each other. So that's why there's such that large gap between Last Stand and Days of Future Past when he was next in. Let's see.

[Owls]: Okay, so upon what you said with the recasting, the reason his physique looks different is because of the late casting and he kept working out really hard whilst the shooting was being done.

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Owls]: Oh, Hugh Jackman is actually 6’2”, which is what Cyclops

[Joker]: Was supposed to be.

[Owls]: Yeah, that makes sense. How crazy that he wasn't originally supposed to be Wolverine. He got cast last minute, and then he was like, I got to work out, and then he's got to do all these training and he's got to change his entire body. Everything.

[Joker]: Yeah.

[Owls]: Like, all right, how high do you want me to jump?

[Joker]: And then, of course, Hugh Jackman became synonymous with Wolverine, where he is the only character and actor to play one character. Every other character in the universe of X Men was played by at least two actors or actresses

[Owls]: Because of the age gaps. But with Wolverine…

[Joker]: Yep.

[Owls]: He lives a long fucking time.

[Joker]: Absolutely. The one thing that I hated about the entire franchise, the fucking uniform selection. Black leather. They chose black fucking leather for everybody.

[Owls]: Yeah.

[Joker]: Or black with hints of color in it with hints of yellow. That's not what the X-Men,

[Owls]: This is not…

[Joker]: Because the X Men's colors were gold and green.

[Owls]: Gold and green?

[Joker]: Yeah, it was like a yellow and green, but it was intended to be like a brighter gold and green. Each character, each X Men had a different pattern to their outfit, which distinguished them from another course.

[Owls]: Most of them are golden blue. Are you looking now?

[Joker]: Yeah, I see which one you're looking at. That was one of the last comic book renditions.

[Owls]: I’m literally, I looked up X Men comic, and all of them pulled up pretty much the yellow and blue or yellow and black.

[Joker]: Yeah. All right. Now I see what you're looking. Yellow, black and blue. Except for Storm, who was all white. And there was another one, Weapon X or Wolverine, who was red and yellow for the longest time, then went to Weapon X in the late 80s to all black. And then in the 90s, yellow and blue variations. Wait, I'm an idiot. Why was I saying green? I am such a fucking idiot.

[Owls]: [laughing] I don’t know

[Joker]: Which I was thinking of a comic book version that had the green in it, not the animated series. It had the blue, black and yellow. So I'm the idiot. My apologies.

[Owls]: No, I am an idiot.

[Joker]: No, I am the idiot.

[Owls]: That's not what I remember.

[Joker]: Because Rogue and some variations of Jean Grey had the green, but Rogue primarily had the yellow and green, whereas everybody else was either blue, black, and yellow with the red. I am going to move on.

[Owls]: Going to move on.

[Joker]: But that's when the later versions of the movie costumes had the yellow and black, primarily because the cartoon versions or the animated versions were a black with blue highlights to them. After a while, Rogue also had green outside of Jean Grey, but Rogue's primary colors were the green and yellow. There was one costume, I think, Jean Grey, as Phoenix had, but she also in the comics had a lot of yellow red to kind of match up with

[Owls]: the idea of the Phoenix.

[Joker]: Well, the Phoenix also to match up with Wolverine because of their love interest when she was psychologically, not Jean Grey, who was in love with Cyclops. But, yeah, the black leather in the movies just threw me off horribly because it was so un-classic.

[Owls]: Yeah, it was like underwhelming is probably what it is, kind of there versus being like a statement.

[Joker]: Oh, and then also Storm, outside of one of the later movies, not even having an all-white outfit and mystique not having an all-white outfit for some of her good side like when she was a part of the good team, she wore like this Egyptian style dress and thigh high boots that were all white. But she didn't do that either.

[Owls]: No, she didn’t. Not that I remember.

[Joker]: But yeah, that is the movie for sure.

[Owls]: That’s a lot just in one movie.

[Joker]: Yeah. And we didn't even take a break again.

[Owls]: We'd just be talking.

[Joker]: Yeah. Oh, Emma Frost. That's the other one. That's all white. It's another one. The little bit that she got; she didn't show up in her proper attire. I think the only one that was true to their other renditions of their characters costume was Gambit trench coat and everything. And of course, Professor X and Magneto.

[Owls]: It's true. Yeah. The helmet and all that.

[Joker]: Of course, it even changed with the movie’s stylization anyway.

[Owls]: Yeah. Because different styles, different time, all that.

[Joker]: Oh, man. Goodness gracious.

[Owls]: You too? Oh, my God.

[Joker]: Yeah. I think it's about time.

[Owls]: It's closing time. I don't know the rest of lyrics.

[Joker]: Neither do I love the song but don't know it.

[Owls]: Yeah. I would probably belt it out if it was like on, but without the lyrics of the song, I couldn't tell you. Couldn't remember it.

[Joker]: Yeah. So this is our first episode where we talked about the theatrical release which we talked about the first movie released in 2000 of the X Men cinematic universe. We covered quite a bit between the featured mutants and their powers. We mentioned the mutant classes, the four mutant classes which are Epsilon Beta Alpha and Omega

[Owls]: Omega.

[Joker]: and some of them where they were intended to be placed versus where they showed or how much of their power, they showed during the first movie. Some fun facts if you missed it earlier on. The original X Men movie was only meant to be the only release, until of course popularity took over. Hugh Jackman was not originally intended to be the forefront of the franchise, nor was he intended to be Wolverine in general. He was a last-minute choice. Rogue was originally supposed to be and why the movie was made in the first place. See, what else do we talk about?

[Owls]: A lot.

[Joker]: So much.

[Owls]: So much for sure.

[Joker]: Yeah. If you're listening to the podcast on the audio side only, we will include a quick list or links to the Wiki page that I looked at. I will have Owls send me what she was looking at as far as reference material. And then also I'm going to link to a page from Pocket Lint who has a list of the chronological and theatrical orders of as far as the chronological is according to their best guess. But we will be continuing this in the theatrical release. And then later on after we finished all the movies, we'll kind of talk about how the chronological order would have been different if certain things would have stuck. But tomorrow or not tomorrow, but next episode that we will be doing will be on X-2, X-Men United, released in 2003. Spoilers for anybody that are not on the Twitch channel. You might want to, because like I was saying, we are separating, still recording live, but maybe not necessarily on Wednesday's interview episodes where we will be talking to different content creators, streamers, or community members about just random shit. The first one that out of our semi big content creators, who I was mentioning last time when we were talking about what the future holds for us here on this lovely podcast is IAmBPala. He agreed to sit down with me and do an interview where we talk to him and see what he's got going on, who he is and what he does, who is his Daddy and what does he do?

[Owls]: What does he do? But we'll be talking to him, still working out the fine details if nothing else. On Wednesday we'll do it just chatting and talk to the community as a whole, see how everybody's doing kind of bullshit for about an hour or so and keep up the numbers. But once I have a solid date, I will make sure I put it on the Madhouse or the podcast Twitter page, which is MHP Group Therapy, and I'll let you know when that live recording is going to happen for that interview. If it's too far out, we'll work on scheduling another one. If Owls can come up with one, we'll give her the reins and let her run the show for a day without me. But yeah. So get on it. Try to find somebody.

[Owls]: Okay.

[Joker]: So where can everybody find you as far as your socials?

[Owls]: You can find me at Twitch.Tv/owlsareahoot92. Same thing for Tik Tok Owlsareahoot92 and Instagram. I try to update when I can, trying to do a little bit more. Other than that, that's really it. You can find me here.

[Joker]: [Whisper] Get a Twitter. [Normal voice] It's an amazing platform. Surprisingly enough, nowadays

[Owls]: I have so many other things that I'm doing. Use TikTok more. How about that?

[Joker]: Yeah, I do, too.

[Owls]: Start doing videos.

[Joker]: I do.

[Owls]: I'll come at you about that.

[Joker]: Please do. Actually, maybe that'll fucking get my ass motivated to start messing with these clips that I've actually been saving.

[Owls]: You have so many clips. It's so easy. Okay.

[Joker]: And those of you watching on Twitch or listening to the podcast in Audio Land, please come check us out. Twitch.Tv/theMadhousepodcast down below, in the about section or under the about tab, there are panels and the very first panel is Madhouse podcast suggestions. If you open it up and those of you watching will be able to see this, it opens up to a Google form that allows you to type in, hey, how are we doing? Let us know how we're doing, especially for those on Twitch, that there's no real review except coming into chat, but let us know that way. How we're doing if you're listening to us on Spotify or some other audio platform that doesn't necessarily have a review section where you can add reviews, let us know there on that form. Hey, how are we doing? Also, if you have suggestions for future episodes like particular topics you want us to talk about, there's a spot for that also.

[Owls]: Including people you want us to interview

[Joker]: And people you want us to interview

[Owls]: Including yourself?

[Joker]: Including yourself? Yes, please do a link to the content, yours, or theirs, whoever you suggest as far as an interview. Next, they're handle, gamer tag, whatever and links to their content platform. Whether it be YouTube, Twitch. Tiktok, it doesn't matter. But put all that in there, it would help out this channel far more than what we're trying to do, like stumble along trying to figure out ideas here, but it'll come up and it'll show exactly how many responses we have and separate them all so we can definitely keep an eye on that. But if you are listening to us on platforms, do all the things there. Eventually I'm going to add exclusive subscription base through red circle where you can go through kind of like you do on Twitch and subscribe to us recurring payments and it comes with exclusives like we host a movie night where we do like what is it,

[Owls]: Mystery science theater.

[Joker]: Yeah, mystery science theater where we're sitting here watching a movie. You watch it with us. If we find a funny part, we sit there and be the rude and obnoxious one saying how stupid or how funny or how cool that part of the movie or show was. So that'll be one of them. Also, any new merch that comes out which I still have yet to design any further podcast, let alone new stuff from my own shit. But you will have exclusive rights to get that stuff first. Also when we start doing giveaways, guess what, you will automatically have an entry into those giveaways depending on the tier level in which you reoccur subscribe. Also the ones in red circle will be priced slightly higher than what Twitch asks for because you will get the equivalent to that here on Twitch. If you are one of our Twitch viewers and you come in, you hang out, so you'll have access to all the emotions that any Twitch subscriber has.

[Owls]: All the things

[Joker]: [Whisper] All the things

[Owls]: What he said.

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