SHOW / EPISODE

The Jack & 'Chill Podcast 04 | Thanksgiving

Episode 4
42m | Nov 26, 2023

In this episode of The Jack & 'Chill Podcast, Xochitl and Jack discuss American Thanksgiving traditions.

Transcript:

00:00:00

Xochitl

You are listening to the Jack and Chill podcast.

00:00:13

Xochitl

Alright, Jack, today we are going to be talking about Thanksgiving, which our listeners may or may not know is a family holiday celebrated here in the US.

00:00:23

Xochitl

It traditionally was supposed to commemorate.

00:00:27

Xochitl

Sharing between the pilgrims and Native Americans, of course, we know that.

00:00:32

Xochitl

That's not historically accurate at all.

00:00:35

Jack

Right. Or it's a very oversimplified description of the situation, yeah.

00:00:41

Xochitl

The situation but.

00:00:44

Xochitl

Today, it's kind of divorced from its original meaning mostly, and it's kind of just a family holiday where you eat food together. So.

00:00:53

Jack

Right.

00:00:56

Xochitl

Yeah, I want to ask you, our viewers may or may not know there's some typical things you usually eat during Thanksgiving. I would say Turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, gravy.

00:01:06

Jack

Mashed mashed. Yeah.

00:01:12

Xochitl

I think those are the ones that like you basically can't skip.

00:01:16

Jack

Right.

00:01:17

Xochitl

And and then each family has. Sorry, go ahead.

00:01:18

발표자 3

It's just.

00:01:21

Jack

No, I was going to say that's exactly right. If there's no stuffing that it doesn't really. It's like that's one really important component of, like, Turkey Mashed potato, stuffing and cranberry sauce like you.

00:01:33

Jack

Have to have.

00:01:33

Xochitl

Like cranberry sauce gravy gotta have that.

00:01:36

Xochitl

And then most people have something green, like a green beans or a salad or some kind of green side. But I would feel those are like the.

00:01:44

Xochitl

Staples. And then each family has things that pretty much just their family makes. Oh, sweet potato casserole or sweet potatoes. And some preparation is another big popular food. Yeah.

00:01:49

Jack

Right.

00:01:55

Xochitl

I would say for the ones that my family makes, it's Kush which is like a cornbread dish with hard boiled eggs and green onion.

00:02:06

Xochitl

And then oysters, which is like oysters, literally strained canned oysters in a casserole dish with like, a bread crumb topping.

00:02:18

Xochitl

It's really good, you know both.

00:02:18

발표자 3

OK.

00:02:20

Xochitl

Of them sound weird, but they're both really delicious.

00:02:22

Jack

Yeah, yeah. I mean we, our, our weird one was lesa because we're the Scandinavian, right? My, my fan no left side is like a a potato pancake with just it just literally has butter on it and then sugar and then you roll it, roll it up. Yeah. I mean it's it's.

00:02:40

Xochitl

That sounds good.

00:02:44

Jack

It's full on, like causes diabetes, you.

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Jack

Know what I?

00:02:47

Jack

Mean like you could trace it right back to to that. But but it's so good. It tastes so good.

00:02:48

발표자

Right.

00:02:55

Xochitl

Right. So my oh, and my thing is ever since I started making the Thanksgiving spread pretty much on my own, I started doing this since I was about 24 every year, I pretty much make the whole spread on my own. This year, my mom made the oysters, which were probably the best thing, actually.

00:03:16

Xochitl

Besides that, I've pretty much made everything else myself.

00:03:20

Xochitl

And ever since I started making this spread myself, I only make fried chicken instead of Turkey.

00:03:26

Jack

OK, wow. Alright. A substitution. A different bird. Yeah.

00:03:30

발표자

Yes. Yeah.

00:03:32

Xochitl

Yeah, I just Turkey is like a lot for a kind of smaller family gathering. I don't like the flavor as much. And then for like, one person cooking most of the main dishes, it's really hard for, like, one person to prepare the Turkey on their own pretty much.

00:03:48

Jack

And everyone likes fried chicken.

00:03:49

Xochitl

Is this something?

00:03:51

Jack

I mean you can.

00:03:52

Xochitl

Ohh yeah.

00:03:53

Xochitl

Come on.

00:03:54

발표자 3

You know.

00:03:55

Xochitl

Can't go wrong.

00:03:57

Jack

For for I prefer the Turkey like I'm a I'm a purist. OK, so.

00:03:57

Xochitl

How about you do you?

00:03:58

발표자

Sorry, go ahead.

00:04:03

Xochitl

You're freaking furious. Wow. Betrayed.

00:04:06

Jack

I'm a I'm a.

00:04:07

Jack

Thanksgiving purist like I I need my my Turkey. I I, I and I'm I'm the worst. Like I'm I'm such a typical American that I like the breast like that. You know the white meat which is like everyone knows it.

00:04:22

발표자 3

No, you betrayed.

00:04:25

Jack

That's the least flavor and the and it's the driest part.

00:04:29

Jack

Of the of the bird.

00:04:31

Jack

But I it's just like a tradition, like I when I was a kid, you know, we were picky. We I didn't want the dark meat. I wanted only the, you know, pure the muscle part, you know, just the the whitest of the white meat and a big old slice of it, you know.

00:04:31

발표자 3

That's the.

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Jack

Heaping slice of of of dry as.

00:04:55

Jack

White, white meat. Turkey. Yeah. Turkey breast.

00:04:59

Xochitl

Yeah. Yeah, I'm.

00:05:00

Xochitl

The opposite, even as a kid, I always like dark meat, so I'd always want the Turkey leg. And now that I can make it on myself, I'm like, why would I even make Turkey when there's better proteins out there like fried chicken?

00:05:04

Jack

Right.

00:05:12

Xochitl

Yeah, just and.

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Xochitl

Then you can.

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Xochitl

It's so easy to make gravy with the fried chicken.

00:05:17

Xochitl

Like so. That's just it just knocks out two birds with one stone. Haha. Pun intended.

00:05:24

Xochitl

And yeah, so.

00:05:25

Xochitl

To me. So. So you're on the opposite.

00:05:28

Xochitl

OK, other unpopular Thanksgiving opinion? I did not know. I was on the unpopular end of this one.

00:05:35

Xochitl

I prefer homemade cranberry sauce to canned. I won't even eat the canned stuff. It's nasty.

00:05:40

Jack

No, no, no, no.

00:05:41

Xochitl

How about you?

00:05:42

Jack

I'm again. I'm a purist. I.

00:05:44

Jack

It has to come out of a can. It has to make the like plopping sound.

00:05:48

Jack

You know where you like it, kind of like.

00:05:53

Jack

You know, it falls on the plate. Like if it doesn't make that kind of weird sound when it comes out of the can as it slides out of the can. I'm not eating it. I mean, I'll eat it. Of course I.

00:06:03

Xochitl

Oh my God.

00:06:04

Jack

Would eat it. I'm I'm not.

00:06:05

Jack

I'm not rude, but but I prefer that kind of Jelly cranberry sauce.

00:06:11

Jack

From the can.

00:06:13

Jack

And I don't know. For me, it's like the perfect combination to the kind of salty, savory gravy and mashed potatoes. Then you get that super sweet, almost like a gel, gelatin, kind of cranberry sauce, you know, I know it's really crazy.

00:06:30

Xochitl

Oh my.

00:06:31

Xochitl

God, so I lost.

00:06:33

Jack

Right.

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Xochitl

So much respect for.

00:06:35

Xochitl

You I cannot. My dad always.

00:06:38

Xochitl

Made it from scratch and I started making it from scratch. It's so easy. You just open a couple of bags of crap.

00:06:44

Xochitl

Berries with a little bit.

00:06:46

Xochitl

Of water, boil it in a pot with some sugar and I like to add in a little bit of I squeeze half an orange in there.

00:06:53

Xochitl

At the end.

00:06:54

Jack

Oh, a little citrus, a little little, a little zest.

00:06:57

Jack

To it or something a little.

00:06:58

Xochitl

Yeah, a little citrus zest and umm, it is pretty sweet. I try to add enough sugar so that it's not.

00:07:05

Xochitl

Too sour and try.

00:07:07

Xochitl

To make it.

00:07:07

Xochitl

Eat, of course. Cranberries themselves kind of have a naturally bitter sour flavor, like they're also bitter.

00:07:14

Xochitl

You know, but I I just prefer that so much that I honestly, I the canned stuff makes me gag. I hate the texture.

00:07:22

Jack

I love that texture. It's like Jelly or jello.

00:07:22

Xochitl

And it's like.

00:07:25

Xochitl

Oh God.

00:07:26

Jack

Or something gelatin. I know it's.

00:07:28

Jack

It's some gross too.

00:07:30

Xochitl

Oh my God, no I can't.

00:07:35

Xochitl

Go ahead.

00:07:35

Jack

Well, I'm. I'm just trying to think like, why?

00:07:37

Jack

Do I like?

00:07:37

Jack

It do I like it because it makes me. It's because of sentimentality. Or is it because I actually like the taste? And I think it might be a combination of both it.

00:07:48

Jack

That's what we had when I was growing up. So that's what I want. When I have a Thanksgiving dinner.

00:07:56

Jack

But I wouldn't. You know, I would not be disappointed if someone brought in like a homemade cranberry sauce made from scratch. I mean, I'm not. I'm not in insane person. Like, I would definitely enjoy that and appreciate it. I just. I'm totally satisfied with the can. I guess that.

00:07:57

Xochitl

Right.

00:08:14

Jack

And like look.

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Jack

Here's the thing about the can.

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Jack

It's like.

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Jack

It's probably 95% sugar.

00:08:22

Jack

You know, 5% cranberries. You know what I mean? Like, it's probably just a sugar bomb, and that's why it's so sweet. You know, like yours is a much healthier version of it.

00:08:22

Xochitl

It is, it's almost spring.

00:08:33

Jack

You know, and it's probably.

00:08:34

Jack

Got of numerous chemicals in there too. To preserve it, you know, because.

00:08:39

Xochitl

Yeah, to me, get that texture.

00:08:41

Jack

Yeah. Well, the texture that does not exist in.

00:08:42

발표자 3

It's like.

00:08:44

Jack

Nature at all.

00:08:45

Xochitl

Yeah, it's horrible. God congealed.

00:08:45

발표자 3

Just, yeah.

00:08:48

Xochitl

Ohh no, I just can't.

00:08:49

Jack

Yeah. Congeal cranberry juice.

00:08:49

Xochitl

I can't.

00:08:52

Xochitl

Yeah. Oh, my God. No other one. I wanna ask you, Jack.

00:08:58

Xochitl

Pumpkin pie? Is it overrated? And do you prefer another dessert? I didn't make a dessert this year. I had too many other things to do. I personally just. I don't. I didn't want to make pumpkin pie. I was going to use leftover cranberry sauce with apples to make, like, a cranberry apple crumble.

00:09:16

발표자 3

Right.

00:09:17

Xochitl

And I also am thinking I have some cans for like canned pumpkin pie and I was gonna make into like a pumpkin pudding with like layers. You know how people make banana pudding with the layers of cookies. I think I'm gonna make a pumpkin pudding pudding with.

00:09:35

Xochitl

But I just personally don't like pumpkin pie. I feel like the textures texture is always kind of off.

00:09:41

Xochitl

It tastes kind of like tofu or something, and it's like it's not sweet enough. It's just not. It's not.

00:09:47

Xochitl

My cup of.

00:09:48

Xochitl

Tea. How do you feel about it?

00:09:50

Jack

I love pumpkin pie.

00:09:53

Xochitl

We're on opposite, we're on opposite spectrum today.

00:09:56

Jack

We're we're having two completely different meals right now.

00:10:00

발표자 3

Yes. Yeah.

00:10:03

Jack

I. So here's the.

00:10:03

Xochitl

Mine is better. Mine is a better meal.

00:10:04

Jack

Thing when I was a kid, I didn't like pumpkin pie cause I was just like, it's like a it was a vegetable and it's like a vegetable pie, you know, like it.

00:10:13

Jack

It just seemed odd to me because I when I think of pie, I think of fruit pies, right or pecan pie, something like that with with nuts.

00:10:22

Xochitl

And yeah.

00:10:23

Jack

UM, so my mom would always make a pecan pie and A and a pumpkin pie. Or my grandmother would make an apple pie, and I would always choose the apple pie, obviously, because I mean, apple pie is clearly the winner.

00:10:38

Xochitl

I actually don't like apple pie. The texture is nasty to me. It's like hot apples. No thanks.

00:10:43

Jack

Ohh yeah no, I like that too. Yeah, that's that's funny because.

00:10:46

Xochitl

Wow, just like I want to know, at the end of this, all our listeners pause right now and write a comment down below.

00:10:54

Xochitl

Who? This house?

00:10:54

Xochitl

Would you rather eat at mine or Jack? Mine is the right answer. I'll.

00:10:57

Xochitl

Let you guys know.

00:11:00

Jack

If you want, if you want the authentic 1985 American Thanksgiving, you come to my house. But.

00:11:07

Xochitl

Oh my God.

00:11:08

Jack

Social is, you know.

00:11:09

Jack

Younger and you guys are. You know, you've been watching Top Chef for your whole life, you know, so, you know, you guys are like, I'm gonna make a an apple cranberry crumble, you know, with a citrus. Yeah. And.

00:11:11

Xochitl

Do an improved.

00:11:15

Xochitl

That's so true.

00:11:21

발표자

Oh my God, you got me. You got me.

00:11:27

Jack

But I, but I I appreciate I respect it. I I do. I mean, I know that yours culinary yours is a a culinary delight and mine is like a just a traditional kind of gruel like a you know a meal that.

00:11:43

Jack

You know.

00:11:44

Xochitl

You're like big Midwestern energy.

00:11:47

Jack

I do. I I'm.

00:11:47

Xochitl

Like the big white like white.

00:11:50

Xochitl

If you want to like white middle class Midwestern meal, it's like Jack's house is the where it's at.

00:11:55

Jack

Oh my gosh, we are we. We are the epitome of the right white middle class Midwestern, you know, we're big farmers and we like our big birds, you know, like a big Turkey and a giant mountain of mashed potatoes with like, you know, a lava.

00:12:15

Jack

Flow of gravy. You know, coming down that mountain of mashed potatoes with a big old plop of cranberry sauce. And I'm trying to think like, what my.

00:12:17

Xochitl

In the middle.

00:12:25

Jack

My mother used to make.

00:12:27

Jack

This one, you'll know like this is a a traditional 1A sweet potato casserole with marshmallow.

00:12:34

Jack

Melted on the top.

00:12:36

Xochitl

Yes. So my mom and my grandma on my dad's side both make this and I.

00:12:44

Xochitl

I well, my grandma actually has started making it a little differently. She doesn't put the marshmallows on it anymore, but I personally think my sweet potatoes are the best. I mean, I'm kind of arrogant because I definitely think I'm the best cook in the family. My, my grandma actually on my dad's side has some really great recipes. I'm like, I'm gonna hang out around Christmas. I'm definitely gonna collect a bunch.

00:13:02

Xochitl

Of recipes because she has some good ones.

00:13:05

Xochitl

But for me?

00:13:07

Xochitl

I like to make candied yams.

00:13:09

Xochitl

Instead of the sweet potato casserole.

00:13:11

Jack

OK. Yeah, that, that's cool.

00:13:12

Xochitl

And I put.

00:13:12

Xochitl

Like cinnamon and cardamom in it, and it's really good. I I really enjoy it.

00:13:17

Jack

That I would. I would really enjoy that. You know, I I live in Korea now where this. I've never done this before until I lived in Korea. I just eat hate or I like to eat just a plain sweet.

00:13:32

Jack

Yeah, I just put it in the oven. Bake it.

00:13:36

Jack

And I don't add.

00:13:37

Jack

Any sugar I add nothing, and I even eat the skin of it and it's just got lots of fiber and nutrients and you know, it's high in carbohydrates, but.

00:13:47

Xochitl

Yeah, that's popular in Mexico too. There's a thumb up there which is like a guy that sells sweet potatoes, and he goes by and you can hear his sweet potato.

00:13:57

Xochitl

Cart whistling and he goes. Come on, come up.

00:13:59

Jack

Oh, nice.

00:14:01

Xochitl

This and he's.

00:14:02

Xochitl

Like calling out sweet potatoes, sweet potato in that voice and that, like, annoying like, come on. Sounds like that. And people come running out of their houses. Go grab sweet potato. Roasted sweet potato. Yeah.

00:14:05

발표자 3

That's right.

00:14:09

발표자

Yeah, yeah.

00:14:13

Jack

To get a sweet potato.

00:14:16

Jack

I I love them. I think it's great. I mean, you know, it made me think like, why do we?

00:14:20

Jack

Dress up the sweet potato.

00:14:23

Jack

You know, like with with melted, you know, marshmallows.

00:14:24

Xochitl

Right.

00:14:28

Jack

On top it's.

00:14:28

Xochitl

Water is.

00:14:28

Jack

Like putting sugar on sugar. You know what I mean? Like it, it doesn't need. Yeah.

00:14:31

Xochitl

Yeah, it's sweet.

00:14:34

Xochitl

I think my.

00:14:35

Xochitl

Theory about why we do that in the US.

00:14:37

Xochitl

Is that our?

00:14:38

Xochitl

Our viewers have never been the US might not know this or our listeners, but I think the produce is a lot less flavorful in the US, which is crazy because the US has optimal growing conditions. But because of how our food supply chain works, we pick most things before they're fully ripe.

00:14:57

Xochitl

And treat them with a bunch of chemicals so they'll last and they'll have a really long shelf life. And so because of this, most things that you're buying like don't have the sweet, the natural sweetness that they would in other.

00:15:01

발표자 3

Right.

00:15:10

Xochitl

Like in Mexico, if you're going to eat a pineapple or strawberry or something, it tastes really sweet. And in Korea as well, if you have strawberries, they're like, really sweet and delicious and succulent. And in the US, you're gonna get this giant strawberry the size of my.

00:15:23

Xochitl

Fist it's going to be so.

00:15:24

Jack

Right. But it tastes like a glass of water, you know.

00:15:27

Xochitl

It's flavorless. It's like it's like chewing on the.

00:15:30

Xochitl

As of fibrous.

00:15:31

Xochitl

Water. It's nasty.

00:15:33

Jack

Right, right. It looks beautiful. Like a a picturesque strawberry from a commercial that it. It tastes like a like you said. A fibrous glass of water. Like it's just got nothing. Yeah.

00:15:44

Xochitl

Yeah, it's nasty.

00:15:47

Xochitl

Yeah. Anyway, I guess those are unpopular food. Well, you have to tell me first before we, before we transition to the next one. What do you like about pumpkin pie? Because I think I.

00:15:57

Xochitl

Used to I.

00:15:57

Xochitl

Used to pretend to like it as a kid because I felt like I.

00:15:59

Xochitl

Was supposed to like.

00:16:01

Xochitl

It and I really didn't because it's kind of.

00:16:04

Xochitl

Bland and texturally it, it tastes like whipped tofu.

00:16:08

Xochitl

And I like pumpkin, can't in Mexico, we have like candied pumpkin. You cut it into slices and you Stew it with a bunch of, like, brown sugar and spices.

00:16:19

Xochitl

And then you just eat. Eat it.

00:16:21

Xochitl

Like that, and it tastes really good.

00:16:23

Xochitl

Because actually the flavor penetrates it fully, but with pumpkin pie, it's like hard to whip it into pie form and have the flavor fully.

00:16:33

Xochitl

It's not like it's.

00:16:33

Jack

Yeah, if you're making it from scratch, you know, like, like there there, you could make it like you can just buy the already whipped up.

00:16:33

Xochitl

Like not speeding much.

00:16:43

Jack

Pumpkin, I don't know what you call, like the filling part, right? You can buy it in.

00:16:47

Xochitl

Yeah, but I'm sure that's how you guys made it back home, right? Because, well, my my dad actually made it from scratch sometimes, and I that was even worse. It tasted like stringing. It's totally. Yeah. Like it isn't worth it. Look, stringy, pumpkin. Ohh. No, I just.

00:16:51

Jack

I'm sure.

00:16:56

Jack

More like pumpkin.

00:17:03

Jack

Don't. Don't use leftover Jackal Lantern.

00:17:06

Xochitl

Then my dad did that. My dad would literally do that would use like leftover Jack Lynch and he would like, freeze it or something and then just like, make like five of the.

00:17:14

Xochitl

Later it was.

00:17:14

Xochitl

Like stringy. Ohh God.

00:17:16

Jack

Yeah, that's right.

00:17:18

발표자 3

What do you?

00:17:19

Xochitl

Yeah. What do you like about pumpkin pie though cause?

00:17:22

Xochitl

I feel like.

00:17:23

Xochitl

You like when you buy it in a can form or you buy it premade from the store. That's like the best version and it's.

00:17:28

Xochitl

Still not good to me.

00:17:29

Jack

Because it's it's loaded with.

00:17:30

Jack

Sugar, I think all of these things are are just completely loaded the sugar. So I I like pumpkin pie because, well, actually I didn't start liking it till.

00:17:43

Jack

I was an adult. It's kind of.

00:17:44

Jack

Like one of those things that I grew into. So I started with.

00:17:50

Jack

You know, eating just apple pie or pecan.

00:17:53

Jack

Pie. When I was a kid.

00:17:55

Jack

And then as an.

00:17:56

Jack

Adult. I'm like I'm going to try a slice of pumpkin pie. I like it with whipped cream on top, which is kind of cheating, right? It's like I. What do I like more? Do I like the pumpkin or do I like the whipped cream? But if you get if you get a a.

00:18:05

Xochitl

Yeah, my sister covers everything.

00:18:11

Jack

If you get whipped cream and pumpkin pie together.

00:18:13

Jack

In one on the spoon.

00:18:15

Jack

Then it's tolerable.

00:18:19

Jack

But like, I think you're right.

00:18:20

Jack

I think pumpkin.

00:18:21

Jack

Pie is like at its best is just tolerable.

00:18:24

Xochitl

It's like mid, you know, slang in mid like it's just in the like mid range like it's not amazing, it's not horrible. It's just mid like the best pumpkin pie is mid to me.

00:18:34

Jack

Right, right. The best one big pie is is is is.

00:18:38

Jack

Not better than the worst blueberry pie, yeah.

00:18:39

Xochitl

Of great.

00:18:41

Xochitl

Yes. Oh, my God. Blueberry pie is my favorite. I like to make that for Christmas though. But yeah, I was gonna. That was.

00:18:45

Jack

Yeah, blueberry pie.

00:18:47

Xochitl

Going to be my other question to you is like, do you eat it loaded with with, with with cream which?

00:18:52

Xochitl

You said you.

00:18:53

Xochitl

Do because my sister. That's how she eats it. She just. She's like eating whipped cream pie with some pumpkin on it. And. And just like at that point, you do, you just like to have an excuse to eat a ton of whip cream that has, like, a slight.

00:19:08

Xochitl

And slavery.

00:19:11

Jack

You know, I I actually.

00:19:13

Jack

I do enjoy it like I like.

00:19:15

Jack

When you when you.

00:19:16

Jack

When you get like.

00:19:18

Jack

Like I said, like a like a spoon of whipped cream and a bit of pumpkin filling and then some of that nice breaded crust.

00:19:27

Xochitl

Yeah, the question is.

00:19:27

Jack

It all in one.

00:19:28

Jack

Bite it is a very.

00:19:29

Jack

Nice like I do like it. I do. It's.

00:19:32

Jack

Like I'll I'll.

00:19:33

Jack

I'll really enjoy a Costco pumpkin pie with my wife, like we'll get the the whipped cream and we'll buy the pumpkin pie and I'll have a slice. You know, every night until it's gone, you know.

00:19:47

Xochitl

Right.

00:19:49

Jack

You're right. Like, I mean, if I were, you know, of all the pastries that you could choose in the world, why, why do we choose pumpkin pie? I think again, it's. It goes back to, like, sentimentality. It kind of reminds me of home. It, like, makes me feel like I'm back in America eating a Thanksgiving dessert.

00:20:09

Jack

So it's more like a nostalgic eat than like a ohh this is the taste is wonderful. Like I just love the taste, which is kind of stupid. I mean it's it's a weird thing to eat.

00:20:21

Jack

For nostalgia purposes, then to.

00:20:24

Xochitl

But it's such a.

00:20:25

Xochitl

Specific flavor. It's like of course that it would bring up, because if you're eating like a hot dog, I mean, you can get that anywhere kind.

00:20:33

Xochitl

Of but like.

00:20:34

Xochitl

Or, you know, Mac and cheese, but it's just brings back a certain holiday memory to have the pumpkin pie.

00:20:41

발표자 3

I think that's.

00:20:42

Jack

What it is? I mean, it's like it's like eating a a childhood memory like. But it's the. But The funny thing is I never started eating pumpkin pie till I was an adult. So it's just like, put the smell and and I don't know.

00:20:50

Xochitl

An yeah.

00:20:56

Jack

I've I've probably had a few.

00:20:56

발표자

The memory.

00:20:57

발표자 3

This is.

00:20:58

Xochitl

Yeah, when you're eating it, it just reminds you of Thanksgiving, which is an logic memory for us in the US, yeah.

00:21:02

발표자 3

Right.

00:21:05

Jack

Yeah, I've only had. I've only had maybe 2 Thanksgiving meals in the last 20.

00:21:13

Jack

Four years probably. I remember I had a neighbor from America and he invited me over on Thanksgiving, and he was trying to make a Thanksgiving.

00:21:23

Jack

You know in Korea and he was an American guy. He was worked on the military base, so he got a bird. Sorry, we bird is slang for Turkey.

00:21:33

Xochitl

For tricky.

00:21:34

Jack

Yeah, that's how.

00:21:35

Jack

Midwest, am I right now he. So he got a Turkey and he got a bird and made mashed potatoes and stuff and we.

00:21:39

Xochitl

We got a burn.

00:21:43

Jack

But it was really awkward like.

00:21:44

Jack

I didn't really want to.

00:21:45

Jack

Be there. I was just like I.

00:21:47

Xochitl

Ohh no wait. Why was it awkward? Because.

00:21:50

Xochitl

This brings us to our next.

00:21:50

Jack

I wasn't really close to him that much.

00:21:52

Jack

I think he was trying to like reach out and and I was just kind of like, you know, my wife's not here. She was at work and I'm.

00:21:59

Jack

Just sitting there.

00:22:00

Jack

At this like guys house eating Thanksgiving food.

00:22:03

Jack

Good. But we're we're we're both.

00:22:05

Xochitl

Are you with anyone else?

00:22:07

Jack

No, it was just like me and him. And like his kid, I think was there maybe his wife. I can't. No. Yeah, it was really awkward. And I was just like.

00:22:11

Xochitl

That's really awkward.

00:22:17

Jack

Yeah, I I was. We were.

00:22:18

Jack

We were both just trying to to recreate our own childhood memory, you know, to go back to our past and try to create something over here. And I I realized that it's just not. You can't do it. Like it doesn't work. You have to. You need a you need a group of people.

00:22:37

Jack

That are all really gung ho, like excited about.

00:22:43

Jack

About trying to be creative Thanksgiving. So what you need is like a lot of foreigners, you know. And so when you get a lot of foreigners together, they'll they'll put together a big old like you said, a spread like a spread. It's like a a lot of a lot of different foods. And you can do a big Thanksgiving feast. But.

00:22:48

Xochitl

Right.

00:22:55

Xochitl

Right.

00:23:03

Jack

When it's just.

00:23:03

Jack

Like me, I tried to do that with my daughter.

00:23:06

Jack

And my wife. But it was just it's it's just too difficult so.

00:23:11

Jack

I just said you.

00:23:12

Jack

Know what? We'll we'll celebrate the Korean Harvest Festival, which is the tussock holiday and all.

00:23:21

Jack

You know, forget about the Thanksgiving one, but hopefully someday in the future, before I die, I would love to go back and have, like, a proper Thanksgiving dinner in America. That would be. That's one of my dreams.

00:23:37

Xochitl

No matter where I am, I always make the Thanksgiving. So I wasn't in Korea for that Thanksgiving, but I was in Mexico, and I did make the spread, but it was just me doing it by myself.

00:23:49

Xochitl

And one of my friends who came, like, insulted my food. I really wanted to kick her out at that point. I was like, don't insult like it just made me so mad because I worked so hard to make everything. And yeah, it was really mean.

00:23:59

Jack

That's awful. What?

00:24:03

Jack

Does she doesn't understand Thanksgiving or she's she's not American?

00:24:07

Xochitl

She doesn't know she's not American, but I don't.

00:24:10

발표자 3

OK.

00:24:11

Xochitl

I don't know. It was just it was weird, but I think later she felt bad about it. But I was like, I was mad. I.

00:24:16

Xochitl

Was like OK.

00:24:17

Xochitl

Well, you don't have to eat.

00:24:19

Jack

You just pulled the.

00:24:20

Xochitl

It just like, yeah, so.

00:24:20

Jack

Mom card. Well, then yeah, no desserts for you. No, pumpkin pie. No pumpkin crumble. Crumble cake for you.

00:24:29

Xochitl

OK.

00:24:29

Xochitl

But the thing that I did mess up and this was before she even got to that part. So this is not what she was criticizing. I undercooked the chicken.

00:24:38

Xochitl

My God, it was so funny because I didn't realize the the elevation makes cooking time for meat and everything different.

00:24:46

Jack

No, I didn't know.

00:24:47

Xochitl

Yeah. I mean, no. Yeah, I didn't know that. And so the chicken was like undercooked, but it still went well, I think, because the sides were all really delicious, even though the the chicken was undercooked. And my boyfriend came the next day, and he we have leftovers together. And he really liked the food. And I reheated the chicken, so it cooked.

00:24:47

발표자 3

That either.

00:25:07

Xochitl

All the way through.

00:25:08

발표자 3

So it's like.

00:25:08

발표자

Yeah, they.

00:25:09

Jack

Yeah. You don't wanna give anyone the.

00:25:10

Jack

Hot chicken well.

00:25:12

발표자 3

The thing that.

00:25:12

Jack

I think we're forgetting about Thanksgiving is the leftovers.

00:25:16

Jack

Because there's nothing like a the the Turkey sandwich. You know, the Turkey gravy sandwich the next day. So you take a piece of bread and you heat up the uh, you heat, you heat up the Turkey and you heat up the the gravy and then you put the Turkey on the bread and then you do pour.

00:25:38

Jack

Gravy on it and it soaks into the bread.

00:25:41

Jack

And then you.

00:25:41

Jack

Eat that Turkey sandwich with the the bread you know soaked the gravy soaked bread and that is even better than Thanksgiving.

00:25:54

Jack

In my.

00:25:55

발표자

Right.

00:25:56

Xochitl

Yeah. See, I've never eaten leftovers like that. I hear a lot of Americans eat like the Turkey sandwich and stuff for us. We would just reheat everything and eat it again. Yeah, but it's so good because sometimes flavors, like, have a chance to meld more together in a dish within a dish. Like.

00:26:13

Xochitl

And so the next day.

00:26:13

Jack

They just gets better and better.

00:26:16

Xochitl

Yeah. It's like more flavorful. So yeah, I I really like the leftovers, and I think it's the best part is like, you can eat.

00:26:22

Xochitl

That food for.

00:26:23

Xochitl

Like 3 days and you don't have to worry about making new food. One thing I like to do is just like add on. So since I do everything by myself now.

00:26:31

Xochitl

I do things in.

00:26:32

Xochitl

Shifts. So like the first round was like.

00:26:35

Xochitl

Fried chicken, mashed potatoes, stuffing, oysters, green beans, cranberry sauce and the 2nd shift was like sweet potatoes. Kush like just I made different dishes each so we could just like bring them together.

00:26:49

Jack

Right.

00:26:50

Xochitl

The next day.

00:26:50

Jack

You know, it's, uh, it's the best. I mean I it I.

00:26:54

Jack

Know a lot of people.

00:26:56

Jack

My friend Kevin, you, you know, Kevin, his favorite holiday is Thanksgiving by far, like he likes it more than Christmas. He likes it more than any other holiday. I think it's because of that, like eating and drinking together and the.

00:27:12

Jack

I don't know it it.

00:27:13

Jack

Puts you in a like.

00:27:14

Jack

You know it's supposed to be a.

00:27:15

Jack

Time where you reflect.

00:27:17

Jack

On the year and you're thankful for.

00:27:21

Jack

The things that you have, you know, and I think we forget about that because.

00:27:25

Jack

Because the very next day after Thanksgiving is probably the the the lowest point culturally for us, which is the Black Friday where it's all about consumerism and excess. And you know it's about fist fighting over a, a television that's on, you know, sale.

00:27:35

Xochitl

Oh my.

00:27:45

Jack

You know, I mean it's like.

00:27:48

Jack

So it's funny how we we flip flop from like this. Really thankful kind of thoughtful mode to the kind of aggressive shopping mode of Black Friday. And so I I think people forget, you know, I I don't.

00:28:06

Jack

Know that's.

00:28:07

Jack

I I love Thanksgiving because I I love the food and I love the family. And yeah, it was it. It is a a wonderful holiday. I do. I do love it.

00:28:20

Xochitl

We are kind of forgetting about the other side of the coin though, which is like Thanksgiving family drama, which I feel like always comes out during those times. I saw this really funny meme. That's like, remember to bring up politics during Thanksgiving so you can save on Christmas presents. That was.

00:28:28

Jack

Right.

00:28:41

Xochitl

I've I think I've had drama every year. Probably my family's a little bit dramatic this year. I got mad because I actually get mad most years.

00:28:51

발표자

That's not new.

00:28:53

Xochitl

This year I got mad because I.

00:28:53

Jack

You cook the food and then you storm off, right?

00:28:56

Xochitl

Yeah, I like made all the food and then today.

00:29:02

Xochitl

I guess it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore, but I think we had a fine Thanksgiving, but then it wasn't Thanksgiving anymore. Today we were, like, reheating stuff.

00:29:10

Xochitl

But I was that.

00:29:10

Xochitl

We were doing it in shifts, so I was supposed to make like.

00:29:12

Xochitl

The stuffing and.

00:29:13

Xochitl

Some other stuff today and I was all ready to do.

00:29:16

Xochitl

It. But my grandma like.

00:29:19

Xochitl

Was mean. I don't know why she gets in like a bad mood. And this is on my mom's side. And so she like said like.

00:29:28

Xochitl

Oh my God. Are you going to make more food or something? And it just made me.

00:29:32

Xochitl

It just like, hit a nerve and like, well, you don't have to eat it.

00:29:36

Jack

Right, right.

00:29:37

Xochitl

You can just eat your own food if you want.

00:29:39

Xochitl

Like you know what I mean? Like.

00:29:40

Xochitl

I wasn't making it for her specifically. There's more other people.

00:29:44

Jack

No, it's just it was just kind.

00:29:46

Jack

Of a crappy thing to.

00:29:47

Jack

Say cause it's just like, well, like why?

00:29:51

Jack

Yeah, no one's.

00:29:53

Jack

Forcing food down your your throat, you know it's.

00:29:55

Xochitl

Yeah, no one's.

00:29:56

Xochitl

Trying to make you eat it.

00:29:57

발표자 3

Yeah, yeah.

00:29:59

Xochitl

So I was like, well, you don't have to eat it. Yeah, I was mean. So that made.

00:30:02

Xochitl

Me upset and then?

00:30:05

Xochitl

I said I wasn't making it anymore. I got mad and said I wasn't making. I wasn't cooking anymore, and then I just didn't cook. My mom supported me and said I didn't have.

00:30:12

Xochitl

To cook, I was like.

00:30:12

Xochitl

Alright, good. Me too we.

00:30:14

Xochitl

Cook. I just it just. I think sometimes it makes me mad and I understand. Like now I kind of see things through a different lens now that I'm older and that the responsibility of making all the food is.

00:30:29

Xochitl

I get why?

00:30:30

Xochitl

Women would get so like angry and frustrated during the holidays when I was a kid, like you would see your mom getting.

00:30:35

Xochitl

Mad and stuff. And you're like you now you realize like, OK, because a lot of people are really unappreciative of all the work that you're putting in to make.

00:30:43

Xochitl

All this food.

00:30:45

Jack

Right. And my family's traditional. So my my grandmother, my mom and my aunt, they would all make the food. Although my uncle would make the bird, he would cook the Turkey. He's kind of like at, you know, like, like putting water on it and whatever.

00:30:59

Jack

The you know.

00:31:01

Xochitl

You're basing it? You mean? Yeah, yeah.

00:31:01

Jack

Pasting it like pasting the Turkey.

00:31:04

Jack

UM.

00:31:05

Jack

And uh.

00:31:06

Jack

So and then afterwards, the men would just sit and watch football and the women had to do all the cleaning as well, so they would be cleaning up in the kitchen and preparing the dessert.

00:31:12

Xochitl

Yeah, and drink beer.

00:31:17

Xochitl

God yeah.

00:31:21

Jack

For the men and I'm, I'm like, you know, it seemed normal to me at this time and so.

00:31:27

Xochitl

It never seemed normal to me. It made me mad, like ever.

00:31:30

Xochitl

Since I think I was always like.

00:31:31

Jack

Yeah. Well, because I'm, you know, I'm the I'm the lucky gender. You know what I mean? Like, I'm the beneficiary of, like, all this, this tradition, it's like.

00:31:31

Xochitl

Why is everyone? Why the men? Just.

00:31:35

Xochitl

Right.

00:31:41

Jack

What? What do you what?

00:31:42

Jack

Do young boys learn they?

00:31:43

Jack

Learn to that women do the cooking and the cleaning.

00:31:47

Jack

And the men do the eating and the football watching.

00:31:49

Xochitl

Drinking and the football watching. Yeah. And the I had the same thing happened with my grandma. Another.

00:31:51

발표자 3

Yeah, right.

00:31:59

Xochitl

Year which is I made all the food. My dad insisted she didn't want to have a Thanksgiving. This is my grandma. My mom's side. Again. She want to have Thanksgiving because she says that it.

00:32:06

Xochitl

Always ends badly or something and.

00:32:10

Xochitl

My dad insisted that he wanted to do it, but I ended up having to make all the food my dad made like one dish. But I made. I had to make everything else, and then we brought it and then she was like, oh, this is so nice.

00:32:20

Xochitl

Thank you so much, Tad. Like to my dad.

00:32:23

Xochitl

And I was like.

00:32:27

Xochitl

I was so mad and then my dad did to his ever living credit at least say I didn't make anything. Uh, my daughter made everything. But my grandma already knew.

00:32:34

Jack

Right.

00:32:35

Xochitl

That so it.

00:32:36

Xochitl

Was just like insult to injury. At that point, I.

00:32:39

Xochitl

Was like I.

00:32:40

Xochitl

Think it just, it sucks when you make all those food for people and they don't appreciate it. I think that's what like is hard for women too.

00:32:46

Xochitl

Like you're under feeling unappreciated for all the effort you put in, cause it's a lot of work to plan everything, all the ingredients and do it all.

00:32:55

Jack

There's there's a trend. I mean, I read articles about this in Korea. So Korea has a a harvest festival called the Chusak holiday. And women are so responsible for everything that they some, some women actually faked like injuries.

00:33:15

Jack

Like you would wear like a cast on their arm or something. They're like, oh, I I broke my arm. I can't, you know, attend. I can't do the, you know, the holiday because the holiday.

00:33:19

발표자

Oh yeah.

00:33:28

Jack

It's like it's like worse than your job. It's like a it's like going from what we say. We have an expression in English, like, out of the frying pan, into the fire, kind of. That's the expression. So it's kind of like you get your time off.

00:33:42

Jack

From work to work harder.

00:33:45

Jack

Catering this you know to the needs.

00:33:48

Jack

Of all the men in the family.

00:33:49

Jack

Like cooking and cleaning and nonstop food preparation and cleaning and childcare.

00:33:55

Jack

And all these things.

00:33:57

Jack

Now I think in recent years, though, it's starting to change, you know, like I think.

00:34:03

Jack

That men are starting to realize, like, OK, if if women are going to work full time jobs.

00:34:10

Jack

Then it's only fair to split the the cleaning and the cooking duties. 5050, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's it. That's the lesson that young kids should be learning. Is that like, you have to cooperate together and you know, prepare this this meal. And so I don't know what it has happened in my family.

00:34:31

Jack

Because my family is so spread out now, I think they have their new families, you know? So like all the cousins.

00:34:39

Jack

They all have their family with my aunt and uncle together, and now my aunt, uncle are the grandma and Grandpa and the same with my other family and my parents and my parents are the only ones that really get left out because both of their kids, my brother and I live, you know, thousands of miles away.

00:35:00

Jack

So they so they, we never celebrate Thanksgiving together. And so it's it's one of those things where my you know, when it comes to.

00:35:09

Jack

Like the drama of the family I like.

00:35:13

Jack

I if if we had like a traditional Thanksgiving where it was like all my my aunts and uncles together now after Donald Trump has been elected, it would be.

00:35:24

Jack

On a like a knock down, drag out battle of like like we'd have to. We have to set ground rules like. No, we will not discuss politics.

00:35:36

Jack

Because, because they're, they won't even talk to me right now. Like they they they haven't talked to me.

00:35:36

Xochitl

Right.

00:35:42

Jack

In like years.

00:35:44

Jack

Like if I if I send them like like a if I send like a message.

00:35:44

Xochitl

But being less me.

00:35:47

Jack

To them like, hey, happy birthday. Radio silence.

00:35:51

Jack

Just nothing, you know, so.

00:35:53

Xochitl

Yeah, I mean.

00:35:54

Xochitl

Honestly, you're better off without racist people in your life.

00:35:57

Xochitl

Though I mean.

00:35:57

Xochitl

To me, in my opinion, but you know, it is what it is, but I get it. Yeah, I think that a lot of the modern times are the holidays. Just don't hit the way they used to. Like it just hit different now, like.

00:36:13

Xochitl

They're not. I feel like holidays used to be such a thing.

00:36:18

Xochitl

And now it just feels really watered down and I can't tell if it's because I'm getting older or if times are just changing. I feel like it's both probably.

00:36:26

Jack

I think times are changing. I think people are like realizing like, OK, I've got I work hard and I've got this, this this week off or these three days off and like do I want to be miserable with my family or happy with my friends. And I think young people like millennials and.

00:36:42

Xochitl

Yeah, fighting out.

00:36:47

Jack

And Gen. Z people are like you know what? I'm already.

00:36:48

Xochitl

And the.

00:36:53

Jack

I'm already getting screwed over in the economy.

00:36:55

Jack

Like I'm not making enough money. I'm you know.

00:36:58

Jack

Now I gotta fly home.

00:37:01

Jack

To to to deal with.

00:37:01

Xochitl

Right.

00:37:02

Jack

This nonsense, you know, so to listen.

00:37:05

Jack

To my uncle.

00:37:06

Jack

You know, talk about how great Donald Trump is, you know, to, you know, I mean, why would I go home to that? Like I would, you know, so I think I think young people are are are creating their own holiday traditions within their friend group friend groups.

00:37:10

Xochitl

Right. Don't.

00:37:10

Xochitl

Do that.

00:37:23

Xochitl

I'm not feeling.

00:37:25

Xochitl

Thinking myself.

00:37:28

Xochitl

After having done the holiday spread three years in a row and never having been appreciated for it once, not once did anyone ever say wow. Thank you. You disagree affected 4 years because it was. I did it when I was 242526 and now 27. So it's technically four different Thanksgiving that I did completely by myself.

00:37:46

Xochitl

And never, ever anyone ever seemed appreciative at all. At that point, I'm like next time I'm just saving my grocery money and my time and going on a trip somewhere.

00:37:56

발표자

You're going.

00:37:57

Xochitl

Going to bother with it. That's how I.

00:38:00

Jack

Yeah, go on a cruise or something.

00:38:03

Jack

Or go to.

00:38:05

Jack

You know? Yeah, the nice.

00:38:07

Xochitl

I don't even get an Airbnb in like the next town over and just drink wine.

00:38:13

Xochitl

Like that all day? Not really.

00:38:15

Xochitl

But it's just it's so.

00:38:18

Xochitl

Kind of demoralizing, I get why people don't want.

00:38:20

Xochitl

To deal with.

00:38:22

Xochitl

Deal with it anymore, in a way.

00:38:23

Jack

Yeah. No, I'm I, I agree 100%. I think it's good, you know? Yeah. Maybe like it's too much. It's it's too much family. It's it's too much, you know, Thanksgiving and then Christmas.

00:38:36

Jack

Is right around.

00:38:37

Jack

The corner I think for for young people in their 20.

00:38:41

Jack

One of the one is OK, like just do a Christmas and forgo the Thanksgiving or do the Thanksgiving and skip the Christmas. I don't know, but I think it's OK, yeah.

00:38:46

Xochitl

The thing is.

00:38:53

Xochitl

Yeah, I did.

00:38:54

Xochitl

Thanksgiving this year, with my mom's family and I am doing Christmas with my dad's family because my grandpa passed away. So.

00:38:59

Xochitl

I want to see my grandma, but next year I'm saving my money both times and just going on a vacation some other time, just like I don't want to be.

00:39:00

Jack

Right.

00:39:13

Xochitl

I just don't want to be here and deal.

00:39:16

Xochitl

Comments and have to make all the food and just at the end of the day, no one is happy. It's like I wasn't happy. I put in all this effort and no one appreciated it, and apparently they're not happy that I did all of that. So I'd rather just save my money and go on a on a cruise or a.

00:39:32

Xochitl

Trip or something, you know, at the end of the day.

00:39:33

Jack

Yeah. Yeah. Well.

00:39:36

발표자 3

I mean, I think that's that's that's.

00:39:37

Jack

Fair. You know, like it's if it's not fun, it's not happy.

00:39:43

Jack

Why are we? We're just doing it. We're just going through the motions of it for no reason. You know? It's just like because because we have to. I think that's what people realize. I think it's what young people in America realized is like, oh, wait, I don't have to do this.

00:40:00

Jack

Like nothing is gonna happen, you know, like nothing bad is going to happen. I'm not going.

00:40:03

Xochitl

If I don't.

00:40:05

Jack

To get struck.

00:40:06

Jack

By lightning, if I don't go home for Thanksgiving, but we're so conditioned as children to like.

00:40:14

Jack

Follow these these traditions and you know it's they're they're just traditions like you. You can break them. That's fine. Like there's no nothing bad will happen.

00:40:26

Jack

You know it's your family.

00:40:27

Xochitl

Yeah. And then have something good on.

00:40:28

Jack

They still have.

00:40:28

Jack

To love you, you know.

00:40:29

Xochitl

Right, exactly.

00:40:32

Xochitl

So yeah, I don't know. I think for all the young people out there, if you're not feeling it this holiday spirit, you know, don't and don't feel like you're selfish because of it. I think that.

00:40:43

Xochitl

We get to.

00:40:43

Xochitl

A little time to relax and actually have vacation and stuff nowadays. It's like you gotta take every chance that you can get.

00:40:50

Jack

Yeah, yeah, I I agree with that, you know.

00:40:55

Xochitl

All right. Well, if you have a holiday similar to Thanksgiving or Harvest Festival in your culture, tell about it with us. If you also celebrate Thanksgiving, let us know how it's going for you. Do you agree that women usually have to do most of the work? I definitely agree you think. Are you down with that? Are you happy about that?

00:41:11

발표자

And the.

00:41:15

Xochitl

Or do you actually want to?

00:41:18

Xochitl

Stop following the tradition and go on vacation next year or go treat yourself next year. Yeah, and let us know who's house you'd rather eat at mine or jacks, I think.

00:41:28

Xochitl

Mine is the.

00:41:28

Xochitl

Right. One you.

00:41:30

Xochitl

Want to get on my good side say.

00:41:31

Xochitl

My my house.

00:41:34

Xochitl

Yeah. And then leave a comment down.

00:41:35

Xochitl

Below and we will see you guys next time.

00:41:38

Xochitl

Make sure follow our podcast Jack and Chill podcast. Check what is our e-mail on our website.

00:41:42

발표자

What you mean?

00:41:44

Jack

So our website is A-Z englishpodcast.com so we're.

00:41:48

Jack

Still using the.

00:41:49

Jack

A-Z englishpodcast.com website but.

00:41:49

발표자

OK.

00:41:52

Xochitl

Right.

00:41:52

Jack

You can send us an e-mail.

00:41:54

Jack

You know A-Z English.

00:41:55

Jack

Podcast@gmail.com.

00:41:57

Jack

Or the Jack and chill podcast@gmail.com. Both of those are OK.

00:42:03

Xochitl

Yeah. And we'll see you guys next.

00:42:04

Xochitl

Time. Bye bye.

00:42:05

발표자 3

Bye bye bye.

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